From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #286 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, October 31 2001 Volume 01 : Number 286 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive [Roger Winston ] RE: [loud-fans] holiday driving [Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com] Re: [loud-fans] holiday driving [Vivebonpop@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] holiday driving ["Pete O." ] [loud-fans] safe home #3 (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] how our cherished legends take shape ["Brandon J. Carder" ] Fw: [loud-fans] Re: MISSION OF BURMA ["Brandon J. Carder" ] [loud-fans] Tape review: Jen's Tricks and Treats ["md.robbins" ] Re: [loud-fans] Tape review: Jen's Tricks and Treats [jenny grover ] RE: [loud-fans] how our cherished legends take shape [Jon Tveite ] RE: [loud-fans] how our cherished legends take shape [Jack Lippold Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey on 2001/10/30 Tue AM 08:12:20 MST wrote: > > Okay, but you know I'll probably go see it anyway. Maybe even today. > > Of course, what I meant to say was if the nonlinear aspects of _Lost > Highway_ were what annoyed you, you'll probably get quite irked at > _Mulholland Drive_ - particularly its second half. I enjoyed the atmosphere of Lost Highway, at least initially, and I didn't really mind the non-linearity of it that much until near the end. From what I remember, it didn't give much closure. I never did figure out what was up with the Robert Blake "character". > But then, if you did go see it, you'll know if that's the case or not. I couldn't decide between Mullholland Dr and Waking Life, so I spent my day off cleaning the house, playing video games, and not ordering pizza instead. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:24:06 -0500 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] holiday driving > At 11:25 PM 10/29/01 EST, Vivebonpop@aol.com wrote: > >If my post annoyed you, then, good. Hopefully you'll > remember it next time > >you order food when the weather sucks, and some poor slob > with a liberal > arts > >degree and no health insurance shows up at your door > delivering a piece of > >his own death so he can pay back his student loans. I didn't know that pizza delivery jobs required a degree in liberal arts. You know, your predicament is yours. If you don't like it, change something - don't expect charity from others - sheesh! BTW: your earlier post insinuates that pizza delivery is more charitable than Meals on Wheels. ***(Excerpt from Vivebonpop@aol.com e-mail) Tip them well for their headaches, and literally risking their lives. They are doing your dirty work for you, especially if it is snowing. (Do you think we WANT to deliver to you when it snows, or is icy? No, we HAVE to) And, they ain't Meals on Wheels. They have bills to pay, too. *** Mark, when you're making a paycheck the avocation is no longer considered a charity. Oh, yeah, and what Stewart said... > What if what we found so annoying was the way someone could > be shallow, > self-centered, unthinking, rude, and insensitive enough to > take Brianna's > horrific experience of watching two people die right in front > of her and > turn it into an All About Me whine about how mean people > don't pay him lots > of money to schlep their pizzas? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:29:01 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] holiday driving In a message dated 10/29/01 11:40:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, flamingo@rt66.com writes: > What if what we found so annoying was the way someone could be shallow, > self-centered, unthinking, rude, and insensitive enough to take Brianna's > horrific experience of watching two people die right in front of her and > turn it into an All About Me whine about how mean people don't pay him lots > of money to schlep their pizzas? > You're right, Stewart. What Brianna experienced was terrible, and it was inappropriate of me to take her warnings of safe holiday driving and rant about what I did. Sorry Brianna, Stewart, Loudfans. My father died in a car accident. I do understand. It isn't all about me. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:35:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete O." Subject: Re: [loud-fans] holiday driving Nothing brings out the passion in this group more than music or pizza delivery. - --- Vivebonpop@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/29/01 11:40:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, > flamingo@rt66.com writes: > > > > What if what we found so annoying was the way someone could be shallow, > > self-centered, unthinking, rude, and insensitive enough to take Brianna's > > horrific experience of watching two people die right in front of her and > > turn it into an All About Me whine about how mean people don't pay him lots > > of money to schlep their pizzas? > > > > You're right, Stewart. What Brianna experienced was terrible, and it was > inappropriate of me to take her warnings of safe holiday driving and rant > about what I did. Sorry Brianna, Stewart, Loudfans. My father died in a car > accident. I do understand. It isn't all about me. > > Mark Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:11:40 -0500 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] safe home #3 (ns) For anyone who might be interested, the third Safe Home single (limited to 200 copies) is out now. The A side is one of the best songs in the series so far, and it's always nice to have another "birthday" song to put on compilation CDR's. I believe that you can hear it at the www.sundayrrecords.com website, if you can figure out how to navigate the confusing menus. The B side is odd in a compelling sort of way. To save a trip to the archives, Safe Home=Nightblooms-loud guitars+harmoniums. I like them a lot, and it's really nice getting their oddly decorated singles every month or so, each one packaged with a chapter from an inscrutable story about a get-together in the woods. - --dana, currently on a Gilbert Adair kick. Has anyone read the Peter Pan book? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:14:27 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: [loud-fans] how our cherished legends take shape Just out of curiosity, does anybody know if the Interbabe era song Dr. Feelin' Begs to Differ was actually North San Bruno Dishonor Trip in disguise? Or is that not it at all? np Lowercase _the going away present_ Cypress House/QED/Lost Coast Press Publishers of Exotic Paper Airplanes by Thay Yang and Tales From the Mountain by Pulitzer Prize nominee, Miguel Torga We don't rent pigs. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:21:32 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: MISSION OF BURMA 5. Clint has started writing music again.> > To which I reply: It's about damn time. Fuckin _A_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] how our cherished legends take shape On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Brandon J. Carder wrote: > Just out of curiosity, does anybody know if the Interbabe era song Dr. Feelin' > Begs to Differ was actually North San Bruno Dishonor Trip in disguise? Or is > that not it at all? The song never actually existed. It was just an idea Scott was batting around. True-Type font of knowledge, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:27:22 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: MISSION OF BURMA "Brandon J. Carder" wrote: > > 5. Clint has started writing music again.> > > > > To which I reply: > It's about damn time. Fuckin _A_ I could not agree more! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:42:46 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: MISSION OF BURMA Reading that promotional mailing, I feel much less bad about missing these gigs in January: Martin Swope has retired from music and will not be participating. As far as I'm concerned, no Martin, no Burma. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:00:19 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: Fw: [loud-fans] Re: MISSION OF BURMA - ----- Original Message ----- From: Brandon J. Carder To: Stewart Mason Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: MISSION OF BURMA > I almost want to agree with Stewart. But then I think about the records and, > as much as I love what Martin Swope did (and remain in awe as to just how he > did it- I mean "tape loops" only begin to describe it) some of my favorite > moments happen when the augmented noise stops and the songs ring out clear > in a chorus or bridge with no manipulation. Swope could make that one guitar > sound like ten it's true but Roger Miller was already making it sound like > at least three or four. I guess the only way to find out is for me to move > to Boston and sell American flags so I can see for myself. But I will grant > that no Martin Swope definitely equals no Birdsongs of the Mesozoic. > > np The Moving Parts _Wrong Conclusion_ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stewart Mason > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: MISSION OF BURMA > > > > Reading that promotional mailing, I feel much less bad about missing these > > gigs in January: Martin Swope has retired from music and will not be > > participating. As far as I'm concerned, no Martin, no Burma. > > > > Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:15:48 -0600 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: [loud-fans] Canadiana HMV has the new Rheostatics (Night of the Shooting Starts) at number 2 on their chart, and the new Sloan at number 5. I have to admit I'm a little disappointed by the new Sloan, but I'm still acclimating. Anyone have anything to say about either album (especially the new Rheos)? Everyone's a robot when you're a zombie, Russ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:21:21 -0000 From: "md.robbins" Subject: [loud-fans] Tape review: Jen's Tricks and Treats Thanks and nicely done to Jen for this themed tape, replete with leering pumpkin picture sleeve: thought it was my portait for a minute. Anyone waiting for tapes from me, bear with me, they'll get there. Eventually. [Cut to Jer, bursting into uncontrollable laughter.] Anyway... A special note for UK loudfans - there's a 6 part Jim Webb Story, narrated by the man himself, currently running on Radio 2, every Friday night at ten o'clock, full of interesting anecdotes...just in case you didn't know already. Hail Insomnia. Orft we jolly well go... Side One. Bad Brains - Fearless Vampire Killers. I understand these gents are quite revered - should I gather they loved the Ramones, Sabs and helium in equal measure? [Don't answer that.] Rock, my plimsoul. Bakers Pink - The Noose, The Flesh and the Devil. Faintly akin to a gothicised early period Elton John: tinklin' old joanna and creeping orch sweeps. Tastefully concise, unlaboured and a nice abrupt end. Grant Lee Buffalo - A Demon Called Deception. After a masterful version of 'We've Only Just Begun' I looked more favourably on GLB and this is a characteristically executed emotive foray: Yeah, predictable, but powerful. Love remains steadfastly blue. Stone Gossard - Hellbent. Downbeat Country with curious 'I Am The Walrus' period Fabs overtones, with what sounds like mellotron and 'Ringo shuffle' drums. It works. Medusa Cyclone - Dr. Weird. Too nebulous for me - don't know what this genre is - Jnr Ambient? I had a pal that did stuff like this - then he turned to drugs: so there's your first 'gateway'. Short though. Which is nice. Yalvola - End/Exploring The City Of Ghosts Found myself singing 'Shapes Of Things' a lot lately, for obvious reasons. Speaking of which- kinda post Yardbirdsian w/'For Your Love' ish chords but with an ethereal organ sound I once used to nice effect myself. Sedate and Relaxed. The Birthday Party - Release The Bats Neither sedate nor relaxed. The BP were quietly quite influential over here in this now revivified Airstrip One, or so it seemed to me back then, but then Peel played 'em all the time. Could never take Cave seriously as 'the madman full of beer', though the assumption was that he didn't WANT you to back THEN, but the ramshackle gtr attitude seemed pwiiitty wadical at the time. Jerry Cantrell - Devil By His Side. Harmony vcls work curiously well over a controlled but heavyish riff work - - out, plus sporadic spiralling lead gtr. Another good song, well sung. Just realised the lead vcl reminds me of one of the Eagles. The Desert Sessions [Vol 3] - At The Helm Of Hell's Ships. An individual, sounding seriously alienated, delivering a soliloquy of disturbing and recondite import as his co conspirators churn out a suitably earnest muscular ebb and flow Bleakrock riffscape: "Hello sailor." The Dickies - Attack of The Molemen. Treats! An everyday tale of a threat that imperils us all at one time or another - the little buggers 'carry their clubs upon their backs' apparently - so be warned. I'd draw the line at showering their dwellings with fragmentation bombs though : momma and baby moles don't. The Fleshtones - Screaming Skull. Quite culty over here way back then, but it always seemed to me they tried that little bit too hard, like the Fuzztones, and suffered from comparison with the influences they clearly loved, notwithstanding how authentically emulated: as exemplified here. The New Original Sonic Sound - The Witch. Neat 'rave up' section mid way saves this from being yer typical 60's style punker bash.. Postmodern misogyny debate anyone? [see also The Lollipop Shoppe below.] Pomegranite - Scarecrows In A Line. Err, melodic post Grungy [?], possibly with that open G ringing again, if you catch my drift. Singer suffering phobia concerning our straw filled friends and eventually becomes quite hysterical about it. Figured out what the moral is? - Don't smoke straw. Side Two Terry and Gerry - Wolfman's Request Novelty Skiffle from more innocent times [?], before juvenile delinquents started eviscerating scarecrows just to fill reefer: no wonder they hate us. Rasputina - Transylvanian Concubine Ooooooh - DEEP stomach pit caressing cello action and sensual Chrissie Hynde style vibrato female vcls. Smoooooth, as Bob Hope was want to say. And now me. The Watchman - Boneyard Tree Splendid gtr riff/jangle, kinda Ruts-ish chunka gtr in there n'all. Dreamy Harrisony minor chord descents never fail to please either: git some. Minus 5 - Ghost Tarts of Stockholm Good time punkin' merriment...so it's not 'Ghost TORTES of Stockholm' then? Pity.... John Wesley Harding - If You Have Ghosts. Great title - was hoping for a self righteous gloom fest or at the very least an instructional guide on the manipulation of ectoplasmic enemas. Instead got a whammy bar laden Frat Surf frug with ardently accusatory vcls. Ho hum. rem - I Walked With A Zombie Disappointingly and wastefully workmanlike cover... clearly not enough preliminary straw inhalation, boys. Now if they'd given it the Bobby 'Boris' Pickett treatment it'd be a different story: a 'graveyard smash' probably... [Singing any lyric in a Karloff voice has become a great consolation to me in my declining years: try it - it's fun.] Dream Syndicate- Halloween. The truth? Refried Lou Reed and Tom Verlaine is all I ever hear with this lot. I know there are serious DS fans on list but I'll remain unconvinced so I wouldn't waste proselytism on my wayward, cloth eared soul. Mudhoney - Halloween. Gloomy 'honeys, gloomy. Kinda becomes 'I Wanna Be Your Dog' near the end. But then, doesn't everything, eventually, Cordelia... Sonic Youth - Ghost Bitch The usual giant bickering industrial insect gtr noise with Quicklime Girl inveighing vigourously. The Lollipop Shoppe - You Must Be A Witch So easy to have become blase about the Pebbles stuff after all these years - Break out the conical hats! THIS REMAINS UTTERLY FABULOUS. Paridigmatic HM garage punk - perfect in every respect...a fuzz gtr sound wheezing animal feedback all the way from the Courts of Chaos to Amber and back. So tempted to quote all those lyrics too, but you need to experience the indignant staccato delivery of this grim realisation: 'I - can see- there's somethin' wrong with you!!'... Everyone ought to own this track, though as I recall, the album was a disappointment after this righteous gasser. Oh for a female band prepared to grapple with the scansion of a 'You Must Be A.....Wizard' revision... [Speaking of those Pebbles/Nuggets era comps - can anyone recommend CD comps that feature better sound quality versions than the old vinyl?] The Pandoras - Haunted Beach Party Classy revivalism. A Surf/Goth instumental with a scream or two, just like mama used to make back in Sandbach... Between the garage and the shed: there falls the shadow.... The Nomads - Where The Wolfbane Blooms Tough young thugs from some other gloomy northern Euro clime if memory serves, though it often doesn't after such meagre sleep. Mandatory cheesy organ and fuzz gtr and chiselled cheekbones and Rockabilly tinge. Always wished there'd been a Nordic twang to the vcls. [Singing any lyric with a Schwartzenegger intonation has also become a great source of consolation to me: try that too, it's also fun.] Again, big thanks to Jen for this. md. Who was far from proud of being an Englishman, but never thought I'd become ashamed to be one. np - BBC Asian Network radio. Eat your heart out Sky Saxon. Ps - the new Myracle Brah [UK] single, 'Message 78' is a gas, gas, gas.. Thanks for the introduction John - How y' doin'? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:31:31 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: [loud-fans] how our cherished legends take shape - --- "Joseph M. Mallon" wrote re: "Dr. Feelin' Begs to Differ": > The song never actually existed. It was just an idea Scott was > batting around. Scott sez: "It's a fragment from when I was writing that album [INTERBABE]. It was about half finished and I decided no one was going to like it." The only mention I could find of the song was at http://www.starcarbon.clara.net/hearsay/scott.htm - -- Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:36:02 -0500 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: [loud-fans] Pernice Brothers show The entire Portland loud-fan contingency gathered together last night in honor of siblings - brothers, to be precise (Pernice, even!). Act 0. Nicholas' Restaurant - Great Lebanese food can be found in Portland. What's up with the "No cards. Cash or check only!" business?!?! Both Michaels had a chance to experience the bun warmers in my jetta, as we listened to The Pernice Brothers songs. Act 1. The Forty First - Rhythm with no melody, lyrics, nor vocals. They had energy, though. Most descriptive quote: "You know you're in trouble when the 80 year old guy is the only one grooving to your music." Act 2. The Long Winters - What a nice surprise! This brand new band just formed a month or so ago. Last night was their second show ever. They are from Seattle and already signed by barsuk (the same label that has Death Cab for Cutie). These guys are coming back to Portland on December 15 and the entire Portland loud-fan contingency plans to go again. Oh, yeah, and the 80 year old guy's son is the lead singer. Obviously, the 80 year old had a 'surprise' off-spring. My favorite song was one called Car Parts. Their first record is due out in January. On the ride home, Michael M declared they'd be better off if they lost the "The" in the band name. Michael Z reminded us how Long Winters might be confused with Jonathan Winters. We all agreed they should avoid changing their name to Long Jonathan Winters. Act 3. The Pernice Brothers - Absolutely wonderful. I hadn't heard any of the second CD until this show. The songs from the second CD are more "Crestfallen" and "Monkey Suit" than "All I Know". A small but dedicated Portland crowd braved the rain and cold on a Monday night to cheer the band on and the band actually appreciated it! The drummer is amazing and the entire band was delightful to watch. We saw Laura Stein on keyboards, Mike Belitsky on drums, Thom Monohan on bass, and Bob Pernice (I think) on guitar. Of course Joe Pernice played guitar and sang. My one disappointment was that they didn't play "Chicken Wire", but after hearing "Bum Leg" the rest of the songs *needed* to be not about suicide. True story from their road trip: The "I Hate My Life" t-shirts were confiscated at the Canadian border to Vermont. Ironically or fittingly, you decide, the police donated the t-shirts to a soup kitchen. If you get the opportunity to see the show, it's well worth it! http://www.pernicebrothers.com/tour.html Love From Portland! -julianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:43:05 -0800 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] how our cherished legends take shape Thanks for the info. I never cease to be amazed just how much erroneous content I can squeeze out of Scott Millerana. But North San Bruno Dishonor Trip, with it's medicinal allusions to painkillers and staunch defiance of cultural mores seemed the perfect candidate for one Doctor Feelin' and his begging to differ. np Modest Mouse _building something out of nothing_ - ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Trowbridge To: LFList Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] how our cherished legends take shape > --- "Joseph M. Mallon" wrote re: > "Dr. Feelin' Begs to Differ": > > The song never actually existed. It was just an idea Scott was > > batting around. > > Scott sez: > "It's a fragment from when I was writing that album [INTERBABE]. It > was about half finished and I decided no one was going to like it." > > The only mention I could find of the song was at > http://www.starcarbon.clara.net/hearsay/scott.htm > > -- > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:32:32 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape review: Jen's Tricks and Treats On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, md.robbins wrote: > Thanks and nicely done to Jen for this themed tape, replete with leering Reminds me of a trivial dispute: should it be "mix tape" or "mixed tape"? Loudfans, weigh in now! Upcoming: Box Set vs. Boxed Set > The Lollipop Shoppe - You Must Be A Witch > So easy to have become blase about the Pebbles stuff after all these years - > Break out the conical hats! > THIS REMAINS UTTERLY FABULOUS. Yes yes yes!! I love the manic intensity of the vocals here, esp. the chorus with that sort of simultaneously cringing-fearfully and eyes-wide take on the first, title line - and thn that insane leap into "I don't need your lovin'": defiant, frightened, self-deluding, all at once. Bought a Sonics CD thinking "The Witch" was this song (not that that became a problem or anything)... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I play the guitar. Sometimes I play the fool:: __John Lennon__ np: John Cage's "4'33"" as performed by a cat, a furnace, a bird outside, and my hard drive ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:49:11 -0700 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape review: Jen's Tricks and Treats At 05:32 PM 10/30/01 -0600, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, md.robbins wrote: > >> Thanks and nicely done to Jen for this themed tape, replete with leering > >Reminds me of a trivial dispute: should it be "mix tape" or "mixed tape"? >Loudfans, weigh in now! I believe "themed" is correct as M.D. uses it here, but I feel that "mix tape" -- and for that matter, "box set" -- is more correct for the useful but unscientific reasons that it sounds better and is easier to say. Stewart, one of those apparently extremely rare people whose liberal arts degree from a third-rate state university did not forever doom him to a life in jobs that require nametags (damn, what did I do wrong? And here I so desperately wanted to be a Douglas Coupland cliche...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:25:37 +0000 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pernice Brothers show To follow up on Julianne's post: Last night's Pernice Brothers show at Berbati's Pan here in Portland really was a gem. I've seen the band in more amenable circumstances playing in front of hundreds of home-town fans in Somerville, MA - but this was special, too. The relatively sparse crowd was full of die-hard fans, singing along appreciatively to songs from both Overcome By Happiness and the new The World Won't End, as well as some of the Chappaquiddick Skyline material. The band emphasized a stripped down, more up-tempo approach to many of the songs, and "Crestfallen," "Monkey Suit," and the new "Bryte Side" were really splendid. "Everyone Else is Evolving," the opening track on Chappaquiddick Skyline, features the memorable debut line "I hate my life," which is helpfully printed on the Pernice Brothers tour t-shirts. If you love their records for the gorgeous arrangements of strings and horns, you might regret their absence on stage, but the keyboard/drum/bass/guitar instrumentation does sustain most of the material admirably. At some points, with the ringing 12-string guitar on some of the newer material, they sounded positively Byrdsian. Joe Pernice did one solo track, "Bum Leg" from the Big Tobacco record, and when he sings solo with an acoustic guitar, the timbre and leathery warmth of his voice is just remarkable. Unfortunately, that can get a little lost behind a full band. We learned that Pernice has an MFA in creative writing, and a slim volume of poetry and short stories is available at the concerts. If you think his lyrics are bleak, you should read the written texts... The band closed with an old Scud Mountain Boys song called "Grudge Fuck" that was wincingly direct. See their nicely revised website at http://pernicebrothers.com The opening band, Seattle-based The Long Winters, was simply dazzling. I had said to Julianne early in the evening (while watching the execrable local band The 41st), that young or inexperienced bands often have decent rhythm sections, but no melody lines or dynamism to transform jams into proper songs. The Long Winters had melodies, and dynamism, and lyrics and instrumental ability in spades. Touring as a four-piece with drum, bass, keyboard, and guitar/lead vocals, they were as tight as could be, with catchy, intriguing songs and lyrics that merit closer attention. At points, they reminded me variously of the Eels, Soul Coughing (in the lead singer's fondness for circular vocal choruses), some 80's style power pop bands, and a host of other good things. I can see no reason why the band couldn't be a major success, if their upcoming record is this good. After the set, we spoke to the band members of The Long Winters. To my shock, and I think to everyone elses', the band has only existed for about two months, and this was their second-ever (!) live performance. The singer/songwriter and drummer were both in a band called the Western State Hurricanes, I think, but I don't know how widely they toured, if if they ever released anything. The Long Winters are now signed to Barsuk (Death Cab for Cutie's label), and are already talking about some ambitious national touring. They'll be with the Pernice Brothers for some time, so don't show up late if you were going to see them. The Barsuk website is http://barsuk.com, but they have appallingly little information on the band. - ------------------------------------------------------- Michael Zwirn 2515 SE Salmon Street, Portland OR 97214 michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 Cell: 503/887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:51:15 -0500 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape review: Jen's Tricks and Treats "md.robbins" wrote: > > Thanks and nicely done to Jen for this themed tape Quite welcome, love. It was a pleasure. > Yalvola - End/Exploring The City Of Ghosts That's actually Valvola. > The Desert Sessions [Vol 3] - At The Helm Of Hell's Ships. > An individual, sounding seriously alienated, delivering a soliloquy of > disturbing and recondite import as his co conspirators churn out a suitably > earnest muscular ebb and flow Bleakrock riffscape: "Hello sailor." That individual would be Pete Stahl, with co-conspirators Dave Catching on guitar and Fred Drake on bass and drums (which if he could do both simultaneously live would be fun to see). I believe they comprise the band Earthlings? as well. > The Watchman - Boneyard Tree > Splendid gtr riff/jangle, kinda Ruts-ish chunka gtr in there n'all. Dreamy > Harrisony minor chord descents never fail to please either: git some. These guys are Canadian and I had the good fortune to see them play in Buffalo last spring. I liked them enough to pick of a couple of their CD's at the show. > John Wesley Harding - If You Have Ghosts. > Great title - was hoping for a self righteous gloom fest or at the very > least an instructional guide on the manipulation of ectoplasmic enemas. > Instead got a whammy bar laden Frat Surf frug with ardently accusatory > vcls. > Ho hum. A Roky Erickson cover, like the one below, off Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye. > rem - I Walked With A Zombie > Disappointingly and wastefully workmanlike cover... I was never thrilled with this one, but it seemed to fit the tape theme well enough. > The Lollipop Shoppe - You Must Be A Witch > So easy to have become blase about the Pebbles stuff after all these years - > Break out the conical hats! > THIS REMAINS UTTERLY FABULOUS. I'm glad there are other people still ardently in love with this song. It's a work of art. > The Nomads - Where The Wolfbane Blooms > Tough young thugs from some other gloomy northern Euro clime if memory > serves Yeah. Aren't they from Sweden? I don't remember for certain and I don't think it says on the album cover. Jen np: Cobra Verde- "Vintage Crime" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:06:52 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive I wish to publicly apologize to Jeff for posting to the List my reply to his private message, which included the text of said message. See kids, this is what happens when you use a Web Mail client instead of trusty old Eudora (or whatever) which filters the messages using different nice shiny colors depending on how the message was routed. (Or, more likely, this is what happens when you don't pay attention.) Anyway, sorry about that Jeff. At least it wasn't an embarrassing message, like the time you told me the story about the sno cone with the "special flavoring". I swear that I will do some appropriate penance, like attempting to Unionize the local pizza delivery guys. Or maybe I'll run over a few less pedestrians the next time I play Grand Theft Auto 3. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:02:37 -0600 From: Jon Tveite Subject: RE: [loud-fans] how our cherished legends take shape ===== Original Message From "Brandon J. Carder" ===== >Thanks for the info. I never cease to be amazed just how much erroneous >content I can squeeze out of Scott Millerana. But North San Bruno Dishonor >Trip, with it's medicinal allusions to painkillers and staunch defiance of >cultural mores seemed the perfect candidate for one Doctor Feelin' and his >begging to differ. Brandon, where had you even heard of this "Dr. Feelin'" song? I never had, before today. Has anyone reading this ever heard any part of it? Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:58:44 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape review: Jen's Tricks and Treats In a message dated 10/30/01 6:47:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, flamingo@rt66.com writes: > Stewart, one of those apparently extremely rare people whose liberal arts > degree from a third-rate state university did not forever doom him to a > life in jobs that require nametags (damn, what did I do wrong? And here I > so desperately wanted to be a Douglas Coupland cliche...) > In my defense, I should begin substitute teaching during the day next week (I just completed training), and will start my student teaching after completing 12 more credit hours of my state's teaching certification program. My goal is to one day be free of the name tags. However, since delivery is the only way I know of to make about ten to fifteen dollars an hour with a high amount of flexiblity, (and driving a low upkeep, low cost-per-mile 42 mpg vehicle helps immensely) the name tag must remain at night. Subbing alone will not provide me with enough income to meet my needs (unless I want to forget about going out or buying music). Ironically, I can potentially make more money "schlepping" pizzas than teaching elementary or middle school. But at least I'll be doing something I enjoy, which is working with kids, and I'll have excellent benefits, and I need those badly, as I've been turned down for medical insurance on my own. I try to refrain these days from going into excessive detail about my personal life, as that is a Loud-fans faux pas, but I needed to in this situation, because I need to make clear that I do have goals, and I am working toward completing them as best I can. And, as for the "Coupland cliche," I suppose over the past decade it has evolved into an image of a sociopathic, unhappy thirty-something searching for meaning in a plastic popular culture and a perceived random and hostile universe. Have a good evening, Stewart, Loud-fans.... Mark np Sunset Valley "Icepond" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:50:31 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive On Tuesday, October 30, 2001, at 09:33 AM, Roger Winston wrote: > I couldn't decide between Mullholland Dr and Waking Life, so I spent my > day off cleaning the house, playing video games, and not ordering pizza > instead. Are you close to a Landmark Theatre? http://www.landmarktheatres.com/extras/bjork%20postcard.htm - - Steve __________ The Bush/Nixon bond is a most peculiar union, given the immense class gap between the Man from Whittier and the would-be dynasty in Kennebunkport. And yet there's an important similarity between them after all. Despite the Bush clan's vast advantage, that crew is, oddly, just as thin-skinned and resentful as the Trickster. Like him, they never forget a slight, and always feel themselves impaired; and so-like Nixon-they tend to favor The Attack. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:37:33 -0600 From: Jack Lippold Subject: RE: [loud-fans] how our cherished legends take shape >Brandon, where had you even heard of this "Dr. Feelin'" song? I never had, >before today. > >Has anyone reading this ever heard any part of it? I first heard of it about a year ago on the annotated lyric site - where the tentative track listing as of 1995 for IbC is listed - in the General Notes section. Go here: http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~aaron/scannot/lyrics.cgi?interbabe.txt I have never heard the actual song or any prototype thereof. Maybe 125 Records can release what does exist of it on a ScottVaults compilation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:37:48 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape review: Jen's Tricks and Treats On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > >Reminds me of a trivial dispute: should it be "mix tape" or "mixed tape"? > >Loudfans, weigh in now! > > I believe "themed" is correct as M.D. uses it here, but I feel that "mix > tape" -- and for that matter, "box set" -- is more correct for the useful > but unscientific reasons that it sounds better and is easier to say. Yes - and, as Janet (cue live Robert Plant: "does anybody remember *Janet*?") said when we were discussing this last weekend, a mix tape is a mix tape because a bunch of songs put together is a mix - not because someone went through the process of "mixing" them...which they don't, anyway: they order them, record them, etc., but don't mix them (either in the sense of put them together - two songs at once - or in the technical sense, as in running them through a mixing board. Okay - some folks *might* do either of those, but that isn't a characteristic of a mix tape. Their being a mix of songs is.) Three CDs in packaging that's nothing like a box is still a box set - meaning, the sort of large-scale set that might require a box. "A boxed set of Simon & Garfunkel CDs" to me implies, say, a shipment containing multiple copies of the same S&G CD, packaged in a cardboard box. A box set is what the new release is. I'm more vehement on the "mix tape" issue than on the "box set" issue. And thank god for that: I hear someone needs more material on how this list is comprised of complete and utter geekazoids. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who nevertheless has never owned any dice marked with anything other than dots or forming any geometrical figure other than a cube J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Fail to panic vigilantly under threat of vagueness:: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 00:03:22 -0500 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Tape review: Jen's Tricks and Treats > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey [mailto:jenor@csd.uwm.edu] > > I'm more vehement on the "mix tape" issue than on the "box set" issue. > > And thank god for that: I hear someone needs more material on how this > list is comprised of complete and utter geekazoids. I was recently in a Starbucks (forgive me, please) and noticed they have a CD of various artists for sale. The sign next to the product described "Mixed Tapes". Obviously, the advertising people at Starbuckets could benefit from the loud-fan pedantic geekdom. > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who nevertheless has never owned any dice > marked with anything other than dots or forming any geometrical figure > other than a cube -julianne, holding out for the spherical dice. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:42:18 -0800 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Tape review: Jen's Tricks and Treats >-julianne, holding out for the spherical dice. Believe it or not, these exist. They have some kind of internal dealy-bob that "chooses" one "face" when they slow down enough--probably a ball bearing in a six-way channel. They roll all wobbly. - --Tim, who hath dice of many shapes, and lo, is not ashamed P.S. My sympathies to Brianna, whose experience puts my current unpleasantness (serving as a juror in an icky case) in perspective. Wear your seat belts, kids. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #286 *******************************