From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #284 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, October 29 2001 Volume 01 : Number 284 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] holiday driving reminder from brianna [Vivebonpop@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] holiday driving reminder from brianna ["me" ] Re: [loud-fans] Movie advisory [Dan McCarthy ] Re: [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] holiday driving reminder from brianna [Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive So, we're thinking of going to see this - reactions from the committee? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:12:06 -0800 From: "me" Subject: [loud-fans] holiday driving reminder from brianna at roughly 00:30 saturday morning, ed and i witnessed a horrible automobile accident. we were among the very first people on the scene, and i ended up being the contact with 911 dispatch until the fire company arrived. i'm going to leave out most details of the wreck, because this is not meant to be sensationalistic, just to make a point. due to very wet road conditions, a series of unfortunate coincidences, and a few people driving only slightly over the speed limit, a small toyota went into a spin and a bronco swerved to avoid it. (we were immediately behind all of this.) the bronco was unable to recover from the hydroplaning caused by the swerve and careened nose first into the corner and one window of a Blockbuster. the toyota took only a little front end damaged as it scraped the bronco, but the bronco was destroyed. (alcohol has not been named as a factor in this accident.) as i talked to dispatch, jumped out of the car, and ran to the bronco, a young couple, probably around 18 years old or so, was trying to pull the driver's side door of the bronco open. when they finally got it, a passenger from the back seat fell out onto the pavement. while the 18 year old girl (with some medical training) did her best to care for that passenger, i talked to dispatch, reporting on the condition of the other people in the bronco. what i saw, what i was able to tell dispatch, was that there were four people in the bronco, and all were responding to touch and all were able to move a hand when i asked. i was able to count a female driver, a male passenger in the front seat, the female from the backseat who was out of the vehicle on the ground, and another female passenger in the back seat. there was so much debris in the car that i almost missed the girl in the backseat. all i could see of her was a hand and the top of her head. i later found out that there was also a male in the backseat, but because of the way the bronco was crumpled, i was never able to see him. emergency workers had to remove the seats of the vehicle to get the passengers out through the driver's side door - - the vehicle did not have back doors, and the passenger's door was folded into a length of about one and a half feet. all five of the people in the car were probably between 18 and 23 years old. the injuries i saw that night were horrifying, and they claimed the lives of two of the young women i was able to talk to when i got there. they never made it into the ambulance. two others were flown out by helicopter, and the fifth was taken in an ambulance. but the thing i will remember more than anything else is the expression on the young man in the front seat. i could only see his face, and he had such serious facial injuries it was difficult at first to believe that he was alive, and he was unconscious when i first tried to talk to him. but after a few tries, he opened his eyes and looked directly at me. he couldn't talk because of his injuries, but the look of terror and confusion said more than he ever could by speaking. i'm telling you this story in the hopes that it will help remind you to drive safely. the holiday season is beginning, and for many of us that means we will be busier, more distracted and tired, and less careful than we usually are. it also means, in most parts of the country, that driving conditions are already starting to worsen. add to that halloween parties, thanksgiving dinners, and christmas nog, and you have the makings of a story like the one above. please remember that no turkey, no gift, and no one's pride is more important than a life. invite someone to stay the night, take their keys, give someone a gift a day late, or miss the first course of dinner. they'll understand. and, if they don't, they should probably hear the story i just told you. life is precious - treat it as such. brianna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 10:23:43 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] holiday driving reminder from brianna They were very lucky to have somebody like you, who was able to behave in a calm and rational way, at the scene Brianna. Another reason to drive safely is that most people who stumble across you first won't be as competent at looking to one's safety as you were. Thanks for the safety reminder, and hope you're all right! R. Kevin Doyle Honolulu, HI ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 18:28:45 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] holiday driving reminder from brianna You are a hero, we need more people like you. Thanks for the tip. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:40:30 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > So, we're thinking of going to see this - reactions from the committee? Walking out of the theater, my friend asked, "So what did you think?" and I have never been so totally incapable of answering that question. If you're trying to decide whether to see it, then the question is what have you thought of Lynch in the past, particularly "Twin Peaks" or "Blue Velvet." It has the same style--odd images, odd characters, odd dialogue, and no clear narrative--that leaves you thinking one of three things: brilliant, stupid, or _I_ must be stupid. I thought "Twin Peaks" was brilliant and "Blue Velvet" stupid, and I guess right now, for "Mullholland Dr." I'm in the '_I_ must be stupid' camp. It's worth noting, I think, that it was supposed to be a TV series, for ABC I think, but after contracting for the pilot, ABC rejected the series. So the movie is reworked from the pilot. This is similar to what he did for "Twin Peaks" where he released (in Europe) the pilot with an extra 20 minutes tacked on to turn it into a movie. This version of the pilot really sucks. I'm afraid that something similar happened with Mullholland. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:57:41 -0500 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive >It's worth noting, I think, that it was supposed to be a TV series, for >ABC I think, but after contracting for the pilot, ABC rejected the series. >So the movie is reworked from the pilot. This is similar to what he did >for "Twin Peaks" where he released (in Europe) the pilot with an extra 20 >minutes tacked on to turn it into a movie. This version of the pilot >really sucks. I'm afraid that something similar happened with >Mullholland. Lynch is on record as saying that being 'forced' to re-work it as a film is less than optimal, and that the plot has a lot of loose ends since many of the sequences are meant to be but the beginnings of a running storyline. That said, he spent a couple million re-shooting and shooting extra footage to try and salvage the project the best he could. The good news is that a series is still not out of the question- ABC considered it too violent in the wake of the Columbine shootings and the attendant anti-TV-violence campaign, but there's rumour that it might be optioned by someone else. I guess Lynch bought the rights to it back from ABC and there's nothing to stop him from pitching it to someone else. (the other) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:14:16 EST From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] holiday driving reminder from brianna In a message dated 10/28/01 3:14:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, me@justanotherfuckin.com writes: > the holiday season is beginning, and for many of us that means we > will be busier, more distracted and tired, and less careful than we usually > are. it also means, in most parts of the country, that driving conditions > are > already starting to worsen. add to that halloween parties, thanksgiving > dinners, and christmas nog, and you have the makings of a story like the > one > above. please remember that no turkey, no gift, and no one's pride is more > important than a life. invite someone to stay the night, take their keys, > give someone a gift a day late, or miss the first course of dinner. > they'll > understand. and, if they don't, they should probably hear the story i just > told you. > > life is precious - treat it as such. > > brianna > Thankyou for this, Brianna. Stuff like what you went through reminds us of how fragile our existence is. And, as a delivery driver in my night job, I remind everyone to please not take out your frustrations (by stiffing on the tip) on your delivery driver if the pizza, or whatever you order takes longer to get to you due to inclement weather, or what have you. Tip them well for their headaches, and literally risking their lives. They are doing your dirty work for you, especially if it is snowing. (Do you think we WANT to deliver to you when it snows, or is icy? No, we HAVE to) And, they ain't Meals on Wheels. They have bills to pay, too. This time of year does see an increase in holiday traffic, bad weather and earlier darkness, which makes dinner rush run parallel with rush hour, (because anyone who has ever worked in a restaurant knows that people don't eat until it gets dark) and this makes driving much more stressful and dangerous (for all of us). I should know. I've been doing this gig off and on for almost ten years, (paid the bills in getting my undergrad degree) and have logged about a half a million delivery miles. Keep on Truckin' Mark np The Crystal Set "Umbrella" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:33:51 -0800 From: "me" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] holiday driving reminder from brianna thanks for the responses. i'm no hero, though. i think anyone would have done the same thing i did. i'm lucky to have had training in emergency response, but it didn't help in dealing with what i saw the other night. i'm glad we were there to help - glad that they didn't go off a dark road where they wouldn't be seen - but i wish i could have done more. specifically, i wish i had known those two girls weren't going to make it - i would have never left their side. but isn't wishing we could have done more what makes us better people in the end? BTW, for those of you who expressed concern, i'm fine, just a little shaken up. i just hope the other three pull through - two of them are still in very unstable condition, according to ABC's local news. i hope i didn't make anyone feel like they shouldn't leave their house, just would like to see EVERY driver pay a little more attention to what's happening around them on the road. as the old motorcycle saying goes, "watch out for the OTHER idiots." brianna *yay! today was beautiful, crisp, clear, and 48 degrees!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:37:28 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Michael Mitton wrote: > It's worth noting, I think, that it was supposed to be a TV series, for > ABC I think, but after contracting for the pilot, ABC rejected the series. > So the movie is reworked from the pilot. This is similar to what he did > for "Twin Peaks" where he released (in Europe) the pilot with an extra 20 > minutes tacked on to turn it into a movie. This version of the pilot > really sucks. I'm afraid that something similar happened with > Mullholland. We went to see it (which we would have regardless of critical input - I was just curious what people thought). As usual with my first viewing of Lynch projects, I liked it the more I didn't think about it. W/o giving too much away, let's just say that Lynch all but jettisons conventional notions of "character" halfway through this one - and if you're holding on to such, you'll end up banging your head against the chair of the theatergoer in front of you. Speaking of which: remind me, in the future, to go to movies only after their popularity (in relative terms) diminishes. We must have been sitting in the immediate vicinity of the five most doltish audience members. (Note: we happened to be the first ones in the theater, so we sat about 2/3 the way toward the screen, in the center.) The people behind us exhibited two key movie-theater don'ts: the "verbalize the image you see on the screen" tic and the "if you don't understand it, laugh" tic. Then there were a few people who were easily shocked (and for me, at least, there's little in the sex/violence realm that was "shocking": in the "huh?" realm, yes...) On a completely unrelated note, the online edition of the OED (to which I have access for being a member of QPBC) notes the following interesting item of usage in the newly written entry for the term "Doh!": 1952 A. BUCKERIDGE Jennings & Darbishire ixii. 183 Doh! An anguished gasp of exasperation rang out loud and clear as Mr Wilkins found his voice again. That's right - someone was using this in a rather Homeresque way thirty years beforehand. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ In my CD changer: John Vanderslice _Time Travel Is Lonely_ Stereolab _Sound-Dust_ v/a _Doob Doob a Rama_ (Bollywood sdtk comp) The Caribbean _Verse by Verse_ The Fletcher Pratt _Nine by Nine_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:39:59 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Dan McCarthy wrote: > Lynch is on record as saying that being 'forced' to re-work it as a film is > less than optimal, and that the plot has a lot of loose ends since many of > the sequences are meant to be but the beginnings of a running > storyline. That said, he spent a couple million re-shooting and shooting > extra footage to try and salvage the project the best he could. The difference between the situation here & w/the Euro TP movie is that w/TP, he was asked to tie up loose ends that, as the series was at the time continuing, he knew would remain untied in that series. Other than the possibility of _Mulholland Drive_ being picked up by someone other than ABC (like, say, cable), that wasn't the case here. As to "loose ends": it's hard to see which are, really, based on only one viewing. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music:: __Paula Carino__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:48:25 -0500 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Movie advisory Go see _Waking Life_. Try to avoid reading any detailed description of it. It's by Richard Linklater, who did _Slacker_. It's animated, sort of, but not in any way you've ever seen before. That's enough. Go now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:27:36 -0500 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Movie advisory >Go see _Waking Life_. Try to avoid reading any detailed description of it. >It's by Richard Linklater, who did _Slacker_. It's animated, sort of, but >not in any way you've ever seen before. That's enough. Go now. In case that's not enough for you, Linklater also did "Dazed and Confused", and, my personal favourite, "Suburbia", which has the added distinction of having a fantastic script written by Eric Bogosian. (the other) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:57:02 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive At Sunday 10/28/2001 09:40 PM -0500, Michael Mitton wrote: >If you're trying to decide whether to see it, then the question is what >have you thought of Lynch in the past, particularly "Twin Peaks" or "Blue >Velvet." It has the same style--odd images, odd characters, odd dialogue, >and no clear narrative--that leaves you thinking one of three things: >brilliant, stupid, or _I_ must be stupid. > >I thought "Twin Peaks" was brilliant and "Blue Velvet" stupid, and I guess >right now, for "Mullholland Dr." I'm in the '_I_ must be stupid' camp. I loved Twin Peaks and Blue Velvet. However, I hated Lost Highway. From the descriptions I've read of Mullholland Dr, it sounds to me more like LH than TP or BV. So, am I likely to appreciate MR? Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:07:57 -0700 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] holiday driving reminder from brianna At Monday 10/29/2001 12:14 AM -0500, Vivebonpop@aol.com wrote: >And, as a delivery driver in my night job, I >remind everyone to please not take out your frustrations (by stiffing on the >tip) on your delivery driver if the pizza, or whatever you order takes longer >to get to you due to inclement weather, or what have you. And let me add that, as an IT Professional, please don't take your frustrations with your computer out on your local engineers. With the economy the way it is, and with so many IT Professionals out looking for jobs, those of us who are still employed are constantly worrying about the security of our own jobs during this holiday season, so morale is pretty low. Hence, we may not be paying as much attention as we should, and a few little bugs in the software may slip through unnoticed now and again. Please just roll with the punches and have faith that an update is coming soon which will solve all your problems. Oh, and I've been asked to forward a message from the librarians saying that all the copies of The Corrections are currently checked out, so STOP ASKING FOR IT, and don't take it out on them. Later. --Rog (BTW, I don't mean to trivialize Brianna's message. Sounds like you've been through a lot, kiddo, and I'm not sure I could've done what you did. Bravo.) - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:14:15 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] David Barnes' swap CD: review David sent me a fine CD (actually, he sent it twice - I tried telling him that gluing white powder to the insert was a bad design decision about now, but he wouldn't listen), with a nice cover picture of his cat (who looks very much like our cat), entitled _Negative Space: A Collection of Music about Drawing and Destruction_. While Spin, our cat, thinks the title makes perfect sense and was doubtless suggested by David's cat, I'm not sure whether the songs are really about drawing and destruction (mostly because I have a peculiar music-listening disorder that prevents me from hearing lyrics, usually). The "negative space" part makes sense - as the CD manages the difficult task of being filled primarily with quieter, more contemplative tracks, full of evocative, spacious silences, yet successfully avoiding boredom. (Yes, a couple tracks do stomp on the distortion pedal for a few moments - but only a few.) I owned only a handful of these songs, but they were interestingly recontextualized by the rest. Onward: The Album Leaf "Airplane": Beginning with some ambient sounds, apparently of two people talking in some sort of vehicle (an airplane, maybe, eh?), a somewhat folkish acoustic guitar figure repeats while a small string ensemble drapes longer, slower lines on top. The potential for over-sweetness is nipped by some pungent chording and the occasional scoop or glissando in the strings. Very pretty - an effective and evocative opening track. Liz Phair "Glory": I'd forgotten this one - the CD provides an interesting new context. I like the organ or harmonium or whatever it is. John Fahey "The Sun Is Gonna Shine on My Back Door": An interesting example of the way finger-picked guitar playing, with its bluegrass and ragtime rhythmic roots, can be transformed into something else entirely by (in this case) Fahey's rather odd selection of chords and passing tones. I'm surprised, too, at the closeness of the recording - every little bit of fret buzz and the occasional ill-fretted note is crystal clear. He has so many recordings - which one's this from? Softies "Count to Ten": I think I got this on a tape from Betsy Lescosky Way some years ago. At any rate, it sounds familiar. An interesting continuity: the way the rhythm guitar figure consists of sliding similar chord shapes up the neck is similar to some of Fahey's chording (although he plucks, she strums). Nice sequencing: the "obvious" order would have been to put this after Phair - but it works better separated by one track, the echo still present but less blaring, and the relation to the Fahey emphasized. Elvis Costello "Indoor Fireworks": Another familiar song, of course: the light country rhythm of this one, as well as its subdued tone, contine the overall tenor of this CD. Leo Kottke "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring": And here's Fahey acolyte Kottke, judiciously placed several tracks on. A simple (-sounding), straightforward rendering of the Bach tune, it avoids the tempestuous frenzies Kottke could sometimes raise, but the song becomes more impressive once you realize it's one guitar, not three. Ghosts & Vodka "Future Genitalia": Here's an example of how context can change one's perception of music: If I had heard this track for the first time on its own, I would have said something like "sort of a more rockish Tortoise thing, along the lines of Pele etc." And while that's accurate enough, what I thought of hearing it here was the suddenly clear influence of finger-pickers like Kottke and Fahey on the guitar-playing in those sorts of acts (borne out elsewhere on this CD as well). American Football "Honestly": Remember that ubiquitous sort of chorus-y, flange-y effect a lot of '80s guitars had (think Andy Summers)? There's a less fake-sounding effect on the guitar here, and I'm hoping its very-nineties sound dates better than that. It's actually kind of a cool, ringing sound - but for some reason I thought of the '80s sound, and had a moment's doubt. The song's good, its second half leading into a slightly slower bit with a thick bass drone and a nice, slightly distorted lead line. A cool fade into a picked pattern with quieter, windchime-like lead. (Incidentally, the main AF guy has a new solo CD out, under the name "Owen," which arrived in a huge box of review CDs the same day I got this CD.) Arab Strap "Love Detective": A bit peppier than most of the Arab Strap stuff I've heard (but I haven't heard their latest, _The Red Thread_, from which this is drawn), but otherwise fairly characteristic: looped percussion, Aidan Moffat's distinctive Scottish burr and diary-like narratives, but this time a piano part giving the track a hint of early '70s soul, almost. American Analog Set "The Only One": A coiled, strutting, slightly odd-rhythmed guitar part accompanied by a cool electric piano and maracas sets an interesting instrumental backdrop for a track that persists in reminding me of that one-off hit the Folk Implosion had a few years back. God only knows why, since I barely remember it - but I like this better than I liked that. Let the Darkness Fall "Dear Wind": That's how David's listed this track: I was curious, and looking up the title at AMG led me to discover that it's from an album Suzanne Langille, known primarily for singing w/Loren MazzaCane Connors, did with Connors under the title _Let the Darkness Fall_. At any rate, two or three elctric guitars, delicately played, over one or two chords. Very moody, very pretty. Tindersticks "People Keep": The opening makes one wonder why Stax/Volt arrangements didn't use bass clarinet more often... Anyway, that soulful influence that's been showing up w/Tindersticks over the last couple of records is in effect here, along w/their arranging talent. That instrumental skill, and [insert vocalist's name here - isn't it Stuart somebody?]'s singing, creates variety atop the ostinato riff for guitar and bass that roots the song. I like the double-time tambourine in the last minute that picks things up. Ativin "Fortune Telling Fish": Another slightly jazz, instrumental rock combo - and again, I hear some of that picking influence in the way the two guitar lines are interleaved. The somewhat mathy jazz influence is audible in the drumming and the shifting meters, which move from 4/4 to 5/4 to 3/4 and god knows where else - but fluidly, not in the ostentatious prog-rock manner of a sixteen-year-old driving clutch for the first time. Liz Phair "Stratford Upon Guy": I've always loved this song's slinky, chromatic progression - esp. the fact that it breaks down pretty much to two pretty straightforward progressions that just get tangled up in one another. I like the lyrics too - although the bit about the Galaxie 500 video is just a little too "her indie world" for me. Elvis Costello "Brilliant Mistake": First of a trio of tracks near the end of this CD striking a rootsy, folky singer-songwriter vibe - the accordion is key that effect, I think. Idaho "Jump Up": Idaho has a very distinctive sound - guitar guy Jeff Martin plays an instrument strung with only four strings, I believe, and uses a slew of alternate tunings. So far, so muso-geekoid - but he also has gradually broadened the array of instruments he uses in his songs, and his roadworn, laconic vocals fit well with the cinematic sound of the band's songs. Idaho is noteworthy for two more trivial reasons: (1) despite being very compatible with far better known acts like American Music Club and Red House Painters, they've never received anywhere near the praise they deserve, leading to their albums being a lot harder to find; (2) they are one of the few exceptions to the Bands Named After Geographic Locations Suck rule. Bill Janovitz "Atlantic": I was thinking this one came after the Costello track. Anyway, this is the Buffalo Tom guy, right? When that band was at its popular peak, they always seemed sorta also-ranish to me - I know can't recall who they seemed a lesser imitation of, but they never did much for me. The acoustic guitar figure and Janovitz's slightly hoarse vocals, along with the storytelling of the lyrics, put this one in the "rootsy, folky singer-songwriter vibe" category (hereafter RFSSV). I like the dappled tremolo guitar thingy in the background, and the organ fits the style quite well. Better than I would have expected. Chris Von Sneidern "Mindreader": Who would have expected a gamelan-influenced disco romp, powered by metal guitar and a bluegrass banjo, from power-popper Von Sneidern? No one, that's who - which is why this song sounds nothing like that. I probably should be cynical about songs like this, which effortlessly do all the things power-pop is supposed to do - but somehow, I can't do that when they're done as well as this. Ted Hawkins "Biloxi": Hard to pigeonhole - yes, it's an RFSSV, but something in the acoustic guitar playing suggests the blues, as does the singing, which also echoes classic R&B like Sam Cooke, while the arrangements mixe a moaning, almost Ry Cooder-esque slide with subdued, funky electric piano and maracas - and the song itself has a kind of LA 70s songwriter feel to it. I suppose all that adds up to what was a few years back being referred to as AAA - whatever - but at least in Hawkins' hands, it works pretty damned well. For one thing, there's an authority in his voice that overcomes the faint whiff of studio-boundness in the track. Jules Shear "Bark": Hmm...everyone always has nice things to say about Jules Shear, and even though I can sort of hear it, I've always found his stuff a bit underwhelming. This track's no exception: the acoustic guitar work is adequate, the melody okay only, the singing Dylan-like in tone while lacking Dylan's sense of phrasing or commitment...I keep forgetting this song's on here, always thinking it ends w/the Hawkins track. Oh well - - can't win 'em all. The idea of ending the CD w/a track like this was a good one; the track itself just doesn't quite do it for me. Anyway, as you can tell, I like this CD a lot. Thanks, David, for a well-done CD. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::flag on the moon...how'd it get there?:: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:21:43 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mulholland Drive On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > I loved Twin Peaks and Blue Velvet. However, I hated Lost Highway. From > the descriptions I've read of Mullholland Dr, it sounds to me more like LH > than TP or BV. So, am I likely to appreciate MR? RW: If you loved TP and BV and hated LH, your impression of MD is likely dependent upon your reaction to WH, EM, EH, and DU (but not SS). This can be expressed more concisely: IF +(TP+BV) -(LH) & -(WH), THEN +(MD). IF +(EH), +/-(MD); IF +(EM) ~-(MD). & IF DU, SHEESH. :JN (probably not, me guesseth) ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #284 *******************************