From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #280 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, October 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 280 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] 70's/80's flashbacks - anyone? ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] 70's/80's flashbacks - anyone? ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] more strokes (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] more strokes (ns) ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] more strokes (ns) ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] more strokes (ns) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] charlatans, parasale (ns) [Michael Mitton ] [loud-fans] Stereolab tour [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Gillian Welch [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:21:41 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 70's/80's flashbacks - anyone? The funniest scene ever involving doughnuts was on Mr. Show when one of the guys was buying a dozen, and he had 'only one left' to choose. Hee-larious. 'What does it mean, Number 6?' 'It means what it is' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:30:27 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 70's/80's flashbacks - anyone? On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, glenn mcdonald wrote: > three two-on-ones by BGO recently. My favorite single Benatar album is > actually the sixth one, _Seven the Hard Way_, which to me is one of the > great masterpieces of big mid-80s production. for whatever it's worth, i'll second that (although there are probably a lot of benatar records i haven't ever heard; i had no idea that was the sixth). with the caveat that different things impress me now about guitar playing, when i saw the alarm open for the pat benatar band (!) i was very impressed by mr geraldo, much more so than on record. not a trail blazer, by any means, but solid & surprisingly versatile. my date was annoyed at the number of solos he took. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:08:53 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 70's/80's flashbacks - anyone? >I wouldn't expect any meaningful correlation between Loud Family >appreciation and Pat Benatar tolerance, and I don't really have an opinion >about Neil Giraldo separate from Pat, but I wholeheartedly support at least >the first six of their studio records, which were conveniently reissued on >three two-on-ones by BGO recently. My favorite single Benatar album is >actually the sixth one, _Seven the Hard Way_, which to me is one of the >great masterpieces of big mid-80s production. I'll point out in passing that "Shadows Of The Night" from GET NERVOUS, written by one D.L. Byron (I actually found, but did not buy, an album by him once), is the song I usually call the greatest non-Jim Steinman Jim Steinman song ever. Cue Rick explaining to us how the production on that song is "flat," Andy "The intravenous injection of a drug by a physician in a hospital may appear more scientific than the drinking of large amounts of bourbon in a tavern, but the end result displayed in the subject's speech may be no more reliable." - --from "Lindsey vs. United States," a 1956 federal appeals court decision; quoted in http://slate.msn.com/Code/explainer/explainer.asp?Show=10/23/2001&idMessage= 8458 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:15:21 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Belle and Television I reckon Stewart covered most of what I would have said, but I'll put in my twopennyworth anyway. My favourite Felt period was the original line up that featured Maurice Deebank on lead guitar. You might still be able to track down both two-for-one CDs that cover the 4 e.p./l.p.s that this line up did CRUMBLING THE ANTISEPTIC BEAUTY/ SPLENDOUR OF FEAR and STRANGE IDOLS PATTERN/ IGNITE THE SEVEN CANNONS. The latter is more consistent with fewer rambling instrumental pieces than the former, but some of Deebank's guitar work, especially on tracks like The Stagnant Pool from Splendour of Fear is really beautiful. Shame he left to go to Spain instead! Maurice Deebank did later release a solo album, the name of which escapes me at the moment. That was available for a while on CD, on Cherry Red I think, and there were 2 different versions at different times. Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Mason" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Belle and Television > At 04:44 PM 10/23/01 -0700, Brandon J. Carder wrote: > >Does anyone have something to say about Felt? The catalog looks so dense, I > >have no idea where to start or, for that matter, whether I should. My own > >pursuit yielded only a comparison to Tom Verlaine fronting Belle and > Sebastian > >which makes me go Hmmm. > > Felt are several thousand times better than B&S (who I've always found > rather worthless), and the Tom Verlaine comparison is only in the vocals > and maybe a little in the lyrics. I'd compare Felt more to the Durutti > Column or to the records Ben Watt and Tracey Thorn were doing before > Everything but the Girl, though it occurs to me that anyone who hasn't > heard Felt probably hasn't heard those either. Erm...okay, there's usually > an intertwining of acoustic and electric guitars (with organ and piano on > the later albums as well) that play these sort of long, flowing lines that > usually aren't "hooky" in the usual pop sense, but they can be quite > catchy. Lawrence Hayward's vocals are kind of tossed off and casual, and > he does the talk-sing thing most of the time. The songs usually don't have > a typical verse-chorus-verse structure, and in fact, they often don't have > choruses at all, and the band did a lot of instrumentals. > > It's probably easier to list which Felt records NOT to start with, which > include LET THE SNAKES CRINKLE THEIR HEADS TO DEATH and TRAIN ABOVE THE > CITY (which are instrumental records that don't sound much like Felt -- > Lawrence isn't even on TRAIN, which is all vibes and piano improvs) and > FINAL RESTING PLACE OF THE ARK, which sounds like it was written and > recorded in about two hours. They're not bad records, especially not the > two instrumental discs, but they're not representative. > > There's an easy-to-find Cherry Red CD that combines the first two EPs, THE > SPLENDOUR OF FEAR and CRUMBLING THE ANTISEPTIC BEAUTY, and the pinnacle of > the later Creation period is usually thought to be FOREVER BREATHES THE > LONELY WORD, though a vocal minority really love ME AND A MONKEY ON THE > MOON. I think any of those three would be a good starting point, but if > you want to limit yourself to one, I think FOREVER BREATHES is probably the > most representative. If you can find a used vinyl store that has the PVC > compilation GOLD MINE TRASH, that's probably the most comprehensive > overview of their early stuff, plus it has "Primitive Painters," their > single with Liz Fraser of the Cocteau Twins, which is probably my favorite > of their songs. > > Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:19:30 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Belle and Television At 06:15 PM 10/24/01 +0100, richblath wrote: >Maurice Deebank did later release a solo album, the name of which escapes me >at the moment. That was available for a while on CD, on Cherry Red I think, >and there were 2 different versions at different times. Deebank's solo record was called INNER THOUGHT ZONE, and it did come out on Cherry Red. It's strictly guitar instrumentals, and sounds quite a lot like early Durutti Column. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:43:43 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] more strokes (ns) I have the feeling that the whole Strokes thing is going to be vaguely controversial for a while. There's an article on them in the Village Voice this week: http://villagevoice.com/issues/0143/catucci.php ...but I'm not smart enough to understand most of it. In fact, after briefly investigating Mr. Catucci's other work online, I'm wondering why he's not writing for the NY Press instead. He seems well qualified. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:11:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more strokes (ns) On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > I have the feeling that the whole Strokes thing is going to be vaguely > controversial for a while. There's an article on them in the Village > Voice this week: > > http://villagevoice.com/issues/0143/catucci.php > > ...but I'm not smart enough to understand most of it. In fact, after > briefly investigating Mr. Catucci's other work online, I'm wondering why > he's not writing for the NY Press instead. He seems well qualified. What does "trouble-crunking" mean? Ah yes, young critics fascinated by the sounds of their own words... J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:24:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more strokes (ns) On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > What does "trouble-crunking" mean? Ah yes, young critics fascinated > by the sounds of their own words... "Crunk" is an existing term, from southern R&B/hip-hop. it's the past participle of "crank", sort of. if you crank it up enough, the music is crunk. and maybe so are you. "Let's Get Crunk". "We Still Crunk". i think "trouble-crunking" is a stupid construction, but it more or less means "rowdy insurrectionist funky/dirty hip-hop". i'm not reading the rest of the article because the Strokes suck and 99% of positive writing about them is meaningless, but that's what i got out of that sentence. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:13:43 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more strokes (ns) >"Crunk" is an existing term, from southern R&B/hip-hop. it's the past >participle of "crank", sort of. if you crank it up enough, the music is >crunk. and maybe so are you. "Let's Get Crunk". "We Still Crunk". i think >"trouble-crunking" is a stupid construction, but it more or less means >"rowdy insurrectionist funky/dirty hip-hop". Possible too that Catucci's punning on "Trouble Funk," the legendary D.C. go-go band. Hoping he's not related to Carducci, Andy I have a tape I have listened to before every performance I have done for around 10 years. Actually this is about the third tape, as I have to make a new one when the old tape gives up the ghost. It started out as music I just liked to listen to but is now a set program. The tape consists of "Anything for Love" by Meatloaf; four Whitney Houston songs, including "I Will Always Love You"; "Holding Out for a Hero" and "Total Eclipse of the Heart" by Bonnie Tyler; and "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad" by Meatloaf. I sing along to bits of these, always the same bits, and otherwise just listen and get in the mood for performing. The Meatloaf and Bonnie Tyler songs were written by Jim Steinman, who also wrote both of Meatloaf's Bat Out of Hell albums and is an incredible rock composer in my opinion. I was lucky enough to meet him after a performance of Tristan and Isolde by Richard Wagner at the Met and was not too surprised to find out he is a Wagner fan. He told me that he would listen to Little Richard and Wagner one after the other and never thought it was weird to enjoy such different types of music back-to-back. I have always felt the same way and usually relax to rock music. Maybe one day I'll record some pop album under a false name! - --opera singer Jane Eaglen, from a diary entry at http://slate.msn.com/diary/01-10-22/diary.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:22:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more strokes (ns) On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > I have the feeling that the whole Strokes thing is going to be vaguely > controversial for a while. There's an article on them in the Village > Voice this week: > > http://villagevoice.com/issues/0143/catucci.php > > ...but I'm not smart enough to understand most of it. In fact, after > briefly investigating Mr. Catucci's other work online, I'm wondering why > he's not writing for the NY Press instead. He seems well qualified. Do I have any idea what the Strokes sound like after reading this? No. Do I have the idea that Mr. Catucci jerks off while looking into a mirror? Yes. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ np: Wooldridge Bros. _The Unreel Hits_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:44:23 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] charlatans, parasale (ns) Has anyone, by chance, heard the new Charlatans UK album? I tend to forget that they exist. It's odd when a band so closely identified with a particular scene outlives said scene *and* continues to be good. I picked up a used copy of "Us and Us Only" today and the guy at the record store was wondering why they even bother releasing their albums in the US. Now that I think about it, it does seem sort of futile. And yet, everything that I've heard by them is pretty good, and even the dated Manchester-y stuff still sounds ok, actually. I'm really digging "Us and Us..." (sounds like a great '70s Rolling Stones album) and just pulled out "Up to Our Hips" which is so wonderful; I don't know how it always ends up buried in my CD collection. There must be something about the band that inspires amnesia. I read that the new album is a little more "beat" oriented, which always scares me. Anyone like/dislike it? Parasol is having one of their "quickie" sales until Saturday: 15% off of everything in stock. Help them get rid of all those 14 Iced Bears CDs that they've been pushing *forever*!! I also found a live Loud Family show CDR that I don't really listen to (I'm not big on live albums, with the exception of Swans). It's from their last tour, I think, and if anyone wants it, feel free to write me off-list. I cannot guarantee a swift shipment, but I do mail everything eventually. As Andrew is my witness. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:10:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] charlatans, parasale (ns) On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > Has anyone, by chance, heard the new Charlatans UK album? I tend to > > I read that the new album is a little more "beat" oriented, which always > scares me. Anyone like/dislike it? So I _did_ forget they existed, at least since "Between 10th and 11th," until I saw their new one in Border's yesterday. After checking the AMG entry, I was about to query the list for opinions on their post-madchester days, and Lo! and Behold!, there was Dana's email. And those movie critics said "Serendipity" relied on too much serendipity. I listened to the starts of a few songs off the new album, and while I can't vouch for it being more beat oriented, it was beat-oriented. I can't render any thoughtful opinion, except that after sampling it, I'd like to hear the whole thing. - --Michael np Run On "Start Packing" -- I'd never heard of them before, but a Matador label is enough to get me to pull it out of the bargain bin, and I'll be a-whistlin' 'Dixie' if it ain't a right fine album. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:11:37 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] more strokes (ns) > > I have the feeling that the whole Strokes thing is going to be vaguely > > controversial for a while. There's an article on them in the Village > > Voice this week: > > > > http://villagevoice.com/issues/0143/catucci.php > > > > ...but I'm not smart enough to understand most of it. In fact, after > > briefly investigating Mr. Catucci's other work online, I'm wondering why > > he's not writing for the NY Press instead. He seems well qualified. > > Do I have any idea what the Strokes sound like after reading this? No. On the other hand, there's a review of the Hissyfits on the next page of the Voice written by one Frank Kogan, who strikes me as unusually down to earth and descriptive for a rock critic. The Voice printed a nice, balanced piece of his on Ricky Martin a few months back. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:26:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Stereolab tour Anyone going to see Stereolab on their US tour? Would anyone who's doing so be willing to pick me up a copy of the tour single, "Free Witch and No-Bra Queen" b/w "Speck-Voice"? (Apparently, Stereolab have swapped *their* title-generating algorithm with Guided by Voices'...) Contact me offlist if so. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who thinks we should talk about _Sound-Dust_ here: I like it more each listen - the arrangements are incredibly rich, and I think that makes the melodies take more time to take hold. "Captain Easychord" (esp. the first part) should be a hit - and "Nothing to Do with Me" keeps reminding me of (of all people) Carole King. Oh yeah: the ending of "Gus the Mynah Bird" is an outtake from the middle, spacey section of "Close to the Edge," right? J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ lp: guess. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:43:49 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] Gillian Welch A friend gave me the new Gillian Welch album TIME (THE REVELATOR) as a present. The whole album is excellent, in a melancholy rootsy vein (imagine THE TRINITY SESSIONS with much more raw folk flavor), but the semi-title track "Revelator" is one of the greatest things I've ever heard in my life. I'll buying all the rest of her albums, but if anyone wants to testify as to the virtues of any particular one, I'll steer accordingly. I also really like the way "Everything is Free" sounds like an ancient folk song, but the lyrics turn out to be about Napster. Now I just have to get used to pronouncing her name with a hard G (I still haven't gotten used to pronouncing Colin Powell's first name with a long O, so it'll probably be a spell). I should report back on previous recommendations followed (or not): the Left Banke CD is kinda cool but, on two listens, nothing but "Walk Away Renee" transcends its time. It will get more listens, though. As for Tim Buckley, when confronted with the CDs in the store I forgot everything everyone had said and ended up with GREETINGS FROM L.A. and SEFRONIA. Ack. Ptui. Oh, and based on recent postings I pulled out my copy of IGNITE THE SEVEN CANNONS, which I had almost forgotten. It was, well, forgettable--like Television, indeed, but minus the cool guitar playing and plus a whole lot of extraneous reverb. And as far as I know, you don't ignite cannons, you fire them. Unless you're trying to be, like, poetic. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #280 *******************************