From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #276 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, October 21 2001 Volume 01 : Number 276 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] other imports (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] Re: I'd like it if they'd like us, but I don't think they like us [Vivebonpop@a] [loud-fans] comic mysteries ["Brian Block" ] Re: [loud-fans] comic mysteries ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] comic mysteries ["Brian Block" ] Re: [loud-fans] comic mysteries ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] comic mysteries [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] comic mysteries [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] oops! [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] oops! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] oops! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] oops! [jenny grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:37:23 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] other imports (ns) >The Furries have just appeared on Top of the Pops with Drawing Rings >around >the World and I know zip about them but this just sounded like third >rate >Teenage Fanclub to me... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Usually the comparisons that get applied to the Furries are Roxy Music (especially in the sense that there's an electronic guy futzing up the glam-rock) and Bowie, but for the last few albums they've been pushing "eclectic" pretty hard: they may be the first band to *successfully* combine folk-rock and death-metal in the same tune. There's also a bit of a blur similarity, especially the blur of "13" and on. I don't think that Teenage Fanclub is a comparison that generally gets made, but I haven't seen the Furries live, and I wonder if, sans production, they're more straightforward. I'm also a big fan of TFclub, but I don't hear much similarity between the two bands, on CD anyway. BTW, "Howdy" is either out or about to come out domestically. I'll bet that that explains the recent drop in the price of the import. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:21:14 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: I'd like it if they'd like us, but I don't think they like us In a message dated 10/18/01 5:28:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinston@tde.com writes: > Hey! Only us REAL Loud Effers are allowed to make fun of Mark! He's OUR > pariah Hey, I'm not "a member of a low caste of domestic and agricultural workers in southern India and Burma." I'm a 34-year-old perpetual student with a Mcjob and a substitute teaching job who hates yardwork and lives in upper South Carolina. (decided against MD...not my cup o' Diet Rite) Meaning 2: "A social outcast." Well, that would require me once having been "incast." Pariah. Isn't that an R&B singer? Mark "Try distracting people away from your weight by wearing interesting cinch belts." Muffy Tipperman (jeesh, how do I remember this stuff??) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:31:52 From: "Brian Block" Subject: [loud-fans] comic mysteries Since the comic-mystery field seems to have a huge following here, it seems only right to recommend Barbara Paul (who unfortunately shares the name with two other, rather insipid, prolific writers). Her four best, to my tastes, are "Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue", "Your Eyelids Are Growing Heavy", "the Fourth Wall", and "But He Was Already Dead When I Got There"; she's also done a likeable-enough series featuring the opera singer Ernesto Caruso as the detective. Jay Cronley's "Quick Change", though apparently turned into an awful movie, was for me a charming crime caper. I also like Donald Westlake, but i seem to be outnumbered in thinking that he's getting steadily better over time: "Hook", dated 2000, is my favorite of his crime novels, as tense and morally serious as it is (very) funny, and "Smoke" (1998?) was junk of the highest order. His 1991 novel "Humans" was his unexpected entry in the field of comic, accidentally-literary novels in which God and the Devil are attempting to bring on the apocalypse via reluctant minions; not as wonderful as "Good Omens" by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett, but excellent nonetheless. I suppose Stephen Dobbyns' "the Wrestler's Cruel Study" could be shoehorned into the Comic Mystery field as well, though his writing is funny in a way that'd be much easier to sneak into a Literature class, and i'm not sure what genre encompasses the book's violent New York City infighting between early-Christian Gnostic sects, its offhanded incorporation of science-fiction elements into the present day, or its bizarre explanation of the conspiracy behind pro wrestling. cheers, -Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:25:29 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] comic mysteries >Since the comic-mystery field seems to have a huge following here, it seems >only right to recommend Barbara Paul (who unfortunately shares the name with >two other, rather insipid, prolific writers. If this is the same Barbara Paul, or even if it isn't, she wrote an SF novel, PILLARS OF SALT, which I liked quite a bit. >Jay Cronley's "Quick Change", though apparently turned into an awful movie, >was for me a charming crime caper. Hey, I liked the movie just fine, though I wonder how much of the dialogue went over your average mallgoer's head. Cronley has several novels, though I don't know if they form a series. Always curious as to the conspiracy behind pro wrestling, Andy 'Freebird' Tattoos Lyrics On His Back Local Man Wins Radio Contest John P. Wise, Staff Writer POSTED: 8:30 a.m. EDT October 19, 2001 UPDATED: 11:35 a.m. EDT October 19, 2001 LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A prominent theme in Lynyrd Skynyrd's epic song "Freebird" is that the narrator cannot change his ways, and while a local Skynyrd fan insists that that's why he got the song's lyrics tattooed on his back, one look at Jesse Lamb shows that he's done nothing but change. Lamb's body was artwork-free until this year. But now, after an installment of 23 lines of lyrics that took nearly 10 hours to apply, Lamb's body is decorated with five tattoos. "Most of my tattoos deal with periods of time," said Lamb, who explained the reason behind why a sixth tattoo is in the plans next month. "When I was getting the lyrics tattooed, I was staring across the room at a portrait of Jesus Christ. He gave me the strength to stay in that chair, so I'm getting that same portrait tattooed on my right shoulder." Such a habit could become costly, but Lamb's most recent slaughter was free of charge. That's because Louisville radio station WQMF sponsored the event. Afternoon DJ Rocky Knight happened across a recent story about a man who had the lyrics from Led Zeppelin's legendary "Stairway to Heaven" tattooed on his back. Knight said that Louisville could outdo that. "I thought, 'We can one-up this,'" Knight told Web site affiliate TheLouisvilleChannel.com. "We can do a southern version of this." So Knight and the station sponsored a contest whose winner would get the lyrics ... well, you know the rest. "Within 48 hours, we had 30 idiots willing to do it," Knight said. "I was just hoping to get three people interested." Only three? Lamb's party alone topped that. "My friend Philip Dell and I called and entered, and then I asked them if I could enter my girlfriend's name, Linda Regenavar," Lamb said. "And then another one of our friends came over, so he called and entered his name." When the call came from Knight to notify the winner, the DJ wanted to make sure he was talking to more than a little lamb. "Rocky called and asked, 'You're not going to chicken out, are you?'" said Lamb, whose easygoing outlook is unmatched by Knight. "This whole thing has given me the idea that I'm never getting a tattoo," Knight said. "(Lamb's) back was a bloody, pulpy mess." It could have been worse, but Tattoo Charlie, of ... Tattoo Charlie's, manned the needle with the utmost precision for the entire time. "You just keep your mind on what you're doing, and if you get tired, you take a break," Charlie said. "Needless to say, we took a few breaks." The occasion wasn't the first time that Lamb, who turns 45 next month, won a radio contest. "About 30 years ago, I won tickets to an Elton John concert and got to meet him," he said. "I'm retired now, and I listen to the radio a lot. If they have a contest, heck, I'll enter." [--from http://www.newsnet5.com/entertainment/1022157/detail.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:10:50 From: "Brian Block" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] comic mysteries >If this is the same Barbara Paul, or even if it isn't, she wrote an SF >novel, PILLARS OF SALT, which I liked quite a bit. Right-o, Andy, same woman: the other two Barbara Pauls are a writer of bad romance novels (and yes, i recognize the existence of good romance novels) and, if memory serves, a self-helpist. I really like Barbara Paul's SF novels (BIBBLINGS and UNDER THE CANOPY being my faves), i'm just less confident recommeding those to people who didn't grow up with them. >Cronley has several novels, though >I don't know if they form a series. They don't, but they're all pretty good; his baseball novel, SCREWBALLS, is a favorite of my Mom's. Actually, several of my own favorite novels are set around baseball; Ron Faust's FUGITIVE MOON, sticking to topic, is another mystery. For more literary tastes, i recommend Robert Coover's THE UNIVERSAL BASEBALL ASSOCIATION (J. HENRY WAUGH, PROP.), Philip Roth's THE GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL, and W.P. Kinsella's THE IOWA BASEBALL CONFEDERACY -- all of which, oddly, deal with baseball leagues either invented by a solipsist, wiped from history by conspiracy, or wiped from history by supernatural means. I have no idea if hockey literature includes a similar vein. cheers, -Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:38:29 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] comic mysteries >Right-o, Andy, same woman: the other two Barbara Pauls are a writer of bad >romance novels (and yes, i recognize the existence of good romance novels) >and, if memory serves, a self-helpist. I really like Barbara Paul's SF >novels (BIBBLINGS and UNDER THE CANOPY being my faves), i'm just less >confident recommeding those to people who didn't grow up with them. Ah, I had no idea she'd done other SF novels (pretty sure PILLARS OF SALT was her first). I'll check'em out! >Actually, several of my own favorite novels are set around baseball; Ron >Faust's FUGITIVE MOON, sticking to topic, is another mystery. For more >literary tastes, i recommend Robert Coover's THE UNIVERSAL BASEBALL >ASSOCIATION (J. HENRY WAUGH, PROP.), Philip Roth's THE GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL, >and W.P. Kinsella's THE IOWA BASEBALL CONFEDERACY -- all of which, oddly, >deal with baseball leagues either invented by a solipsist, wiped from >history by conspiracy, or wiped from history by supernatural means. I have >no idea if hockey literature includes a similar vein. Weren't you the one who recommended THE GREATEST SLUMP OF ALL TIME? I should get back to that one. Speaking of soda, I saw lemon-flavored Diet Coke for the first time today... Andy Steven: If you were stranded on a desert island, what CD would you bring with you if you could only bring one? Robert: I'd bring something brand new, a double or triple album of something I'd never heard before, by a band I'd never heard of before. Because, to me, nothing sucks more than the same old shit. - --Robert Duncan, former "Creem" writer and author of THE NOISE, from an interview by Steven Ward at http://rockcritics.com/Robert_Duncan_Interview.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 16:01:38 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] comic mysteries At 09:10 PM 10/20/01, Brian Block wrote: >Actually, several of my own favorite novels are set around baseball; Ron >Faust's FUGITIVE MOON, sticking to topic, is another mystery. For more >literary tastes, i recommend Robert Coover's THE UNIVERSAL BASEBALL >ASSOCIATION (J. HENRY WAUGH, PROP.), Philip Roth's THE GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL, >and W.P. Kinsella's THE IOWA BASEBALL CONFEDERACY -- all of which, oddly, >deal with baseball leagues either invented by a solipsist, wiped from >history by conspiracy, or wiped from history by supernatural means. I have >no idea if hockey literature includes a similar vein. Well, if we're talking baseball novels, I have to recommend Paul Quarrington's HOME GAME. Quarrington is a Canadian novelist all but unknown to Americans -- excepting Brian, of course, who is already familiar with him because he wrote WHALE MUSIC, the novel which inspired both the Rheostatics' album of that title and their later soundtrack for the film of the novel, which involves copious footage of Maury Chaykin's wang. (To tie this in to the mystery thread, Maury Chaykin plays Nero Wolfe in the highly recommended A&E series starring and exec-produced by Timothy Hutton. Both Hutton and Chaykin are absolutely freakin' inspired casting. No wangs are visible at any time.) Anyway, WHALE MUSIC is the weakest of Quarrington's novels that I've read so far, though it's quite entertaining if you're a Beach Boys fan. My favorite of his books, beyond a doubt, is HOME GAME, the story of a baseball game between an apocalyptic religious sect and a circus freak show, each team featuring one of the two greatest players in the history of the game, both of whom are wiped from history because of blah blah blah. It's an absolute work of comic genius and one of the funniest books I've ever read. I can also recommend CIVILIZATION AND ITS PART IN MY DOWNFALL, THE SPIRIT CABINET and THE LIFE OF HOPE. I don't think any of Quarrington's books are in print in the US, but if you go to www.indigo.ca or www.chapters.ca (Canadian equivalents to Borders or Barnes and Noble, only better than either, based on their downtown Toronto stores), they can hook you up. S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 17:55:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] comic mysteries On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Brian Block wrote: > and, if memory serves, a self-helpist. I really like Barbara Paul's SF I've often wondered why on earth there are such things as self-help books. If you're really into self-help, write your own, no? > Actually, several of my own favorite novels are set around baseball; Ron > Faust's FUGITIVE MOON, sticking to topic, is another mystery. For more > literary tastes, i recommend Robert Coover's THE UNIVERSAL BASEBALL > ASSOCIATION (J. HENRY WAUGH, PROP.), Philip Roth's THE GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL, > and W.P. Kinsella's THE IOWA BASEBALL CONFEDERACY -- all of which, oddly, > deal with baseball leagues either invented by a solipsist, wiped from > history by conspiracy, or wiped from history by supernatural means. I have > no idea if hockey literature includes a similar vein. Didn't someone write a novel in which Richard Nixon is a football player instead of becoming president? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who wishes he had more time to actually read all these books Loudfans talk about but instead is playing hooky from reading an assload of student papers J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::You think your country needs you, but you know it never will:: __Elvis Costello__ lp: Rebecca Gates _Ruby Series_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:55:11 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] baseball books The funniest baseball books I ever read, all non-fiction, are "Catcher in the Rye" by Bob Uecker, "Spaceman" by Bill Lee, and "The Umpire Strikes Back" by Ron Luciano. In fact, I would say "Catcher in the Rye" is one of the funniest books of any kind I've read, so if you need a good laugh and you like baseball, or you just want to read about how Al Hirt ended up with shrimps wriggling in his beard.... Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:07:08 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] oops! The Bill Lee book is actually "The Wrong Stuff." Sorry. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:16:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops! On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, jenny grover wrote: > The Bill Lee book is actually "The Wrong Stuff." Sorry. And I'm pretty sure the Bob Uecker book is _Catcher in the Wry_. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ np: loscil _The Triple Point_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:24:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops! > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, jenny grover wrote: > > > The Bill Lee book is actually "The Wrong Stuff." Sorry. > > And I'm pretty sure the Bob Uecker book is _Catcher in the Wry_. And as long as we're doing literary parodies, I suggest the following autobiography: _A Screaming Comes Across the Plate_ by Nolan Ryan. Okay...a bit obscure for yr avg. baseball fan... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:21:49 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops! Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > And I'm pretty sure the Bob Uecker book is _Catcher in the Wry_. Well, at least I typed it into the searches right. LOL. Sorry, it's been one of those days. I did type "Umpire" instead of "Empire" didn't I? Jen ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #276 *******************************