From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #274 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, October 19 2001 Volume 01 : Number 274 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Book recs needed (no spiritual or philosophicalcontent!) [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] Square Pegs [RufusWainwrong@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Square Pegs [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's ["O Geier" ] [loud-fans] Fireking [Sue Trowbridge ] Re: [loud-fans] Fireking ["Brandon J. Carder" ] Re: [loud-fans] Fireking [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] Name Borrowing [GlenSarvad@aol.com] [loud-fans] Chicago and miss jovan's hundred hand 'o' mat ["Brandon J. Ca] [loud-fans] new fun [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's [Dan Sallitt ] [loud-fans] The Big Picture [Steve Holtebeck ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:52:25 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Book recs needed (no spiritual or philosophicalcontent!) > Jonathan Lethem wrote a great sci-fi detective novel called "Gun, With > Occasional Music" that effectively blends the style of Raymond Chandler > with that of Philip K. Dick. If you're not particularly in the sci-fi > mood, I would then suggest you check out Lethem's "Motherless Brooklyn", > another detective novel of a sort, whose protagonist has Tourette's > Syndrome. Not as cardboard a subject as you might think; it is handled > quite deftly, and the character is one of the more believable ones I've > come across in modern fiction. Lethem's got a great sense of humour but > also manages to imbue his creations with a realism that you wouldn't think > likely considering his topics and settings. As many of you probably know, Lethem's short story "Breakfast at Brelreck's" was printed in the liner notes to the Maggies' EP of the same name, which came out earlier this year. I liked both the CD and the story. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:42:16 -0400 From: "Max Germer" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Book recs needed (no spiritual or philosophicalcontent!) > As many of you probably know, Lethem's short story "Breakfast at > Brelreck's" was printed in the liner notes to the Maggies' EP of the > same name, which came out earlier this year. I liked both the CD and > the story. - Dan I also recommend Lethem's "Gun With Occasional Music" and "As She Climbed Across The Table" (as well as "Amnesia Moon", a collection of short stories). Jonathan is working on a new book, and I recently saw that he had a piece in Salon (in the premium section, so I didn't read it). max ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:11:13 -0700 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Book recs needed (no spiritual or philosophical content!) At 11:57 AM -0400 10/17/01, Dan McCarthy wrote: > >Jonathan Lethem wrote a great sci-fi detective novel called "Gun, >With Occasional Music" that effectively blends the style of Raymond >Chandler with that of Philip K. Dick. If you're not particularly in >the sci-fi mood, I would then suggest you check out Lethem's >"Motherless Brooklyn", another detective novel of a sort, whose >protagonist has Tourette's Syndrome. Not as cardboard a subject as >you might think; it is handled quite deftly, and the character is >one of the more believable ones I've come across in modern fiction. >Lethem's got a great sense of humour but also manages to imbue his >creations with a realism that you wouldn't think likely considering >his topics and settings. This was, hands down, my favorite book of last year. I just started rereading it last night, in fact. I can't recommend it highly enough. Another worthy entry in the "people with severe mental disorders attempting to solve crimes in New York City" subgenre (which I believe consists of these two books) is George Dawes Green's "The Caveman's Valentine." In the humorous mystery field, I'd agree that Westlake and Block are the masters - I don't think anyone mentioned my favorite Westlake, a standalone called "Dancing Aztecs," which in fact may be my favorite mystery ever - and I'd add two lesser-known authors, Keith Snyder and Sparkle Hayter. Keith's Jason Keltner series, about an often-underemployed LA musician who along with his pals, an actor and a graphic artist, keeps getting involved in crimefighting, has some of the best dialogue I've ever read. (You'll probably want to start with "Coffin's Got The Dead Guy on the Inside," which is the only title available in paperback.) And Sparkle's Robin Hudson series, about a female TV journalist with a fascinating array of self-defense devices (including poison ivy on the windowsills and an Epilady in her purse) and a tendency to inadvertently offend foreign dignitaries, is priceless (I'm partial to "Revenge of the Cootie Girls"). Re this from Dennis: >>Bowen sez: Oh, and by the way, you do know that you can't be omnipotent and omniscient at the same time, right? <><><><><><><><><><><><> That was before new Theagra.<< I rarely indulge in a public LOL. However: LOL! - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:24:38 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Book recs needed (no spiritual or philosophical content!) At 08:11 AM 10/18/01 -0700, Elizabeth Setler wrote: >And Sparkle's Robin Hudson series, >about a female TV journalist with a fascinating array of self-defense >devices (including poison ivy on the windowsills and an Epilady in >her purse) and a tendency to inadvertently offend foreign >dignitaries, is priceless (I'm partial to "Revenge of the Cootie >Girls"). I've touted Sparkle Hayter's books here before, particularly REVENGE OF THE COOTIE GIRLS, which I thought was really fascinating because it's only nominally a mystery at all -- the dead guy doesn't show up until a hundred pages from the end, and the mystery part of the book is wrapped up in no time flat. The rest of it is just a semi-autobiographical ramble about three single female friends bar-hopping in New York on Halloween. It's more BRIDGET JONES' DIARY (which I think it predates) or Lorrie Moore than Agatha Christie or Linda Barnes. I've corresponded with Sparkle Hayter via email a few times, and she's a fun person (as anyone named Sparkle would have to be, I'd think). She's kind of ambivalent about the whole mystery field, though. Her publisher dropped her contract after her fourth book -- at least in part because they *hated* REVENGE OF THE COOTIE GIRLS -- and she decided to stop writing mysteries then, largely because she had never really wanted to write them in the first place. She was working on a non-genre comic novel last I heard, but since then, she's published a fifth Robin Hudson book. From what I've heard, it's *tons* easier to approach a publisher with an outline for a mystery series that can be turned into a series than it is to approach them with a standalone non-genre novel. I guess everyone's looking for the next Sue Grafton. Stewart "Men: We drank a lot of beer, then we stole 700 lbs. of explosives" --headline at www.obscurestore.com (Or, as we called it in Portales, NM: Tuesday) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:42:02 -0700 From: loudfamily@hushmail.com Subject: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's Learned Community- I'm a huge dB's fan, and was ignorant of Peter Holsapple's more recent solo career. I see an album of his from 1997 called "Out of My Way," and was wondering if any of you had any opinions on it. - -Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:51:32 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's |-----Original Message----- |From: loudfamily@hushmail.com [mailto:loudfamily@hushmail.com] |Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:42 AM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's | | |Learned Community- | I'm a huge dB's fan, and was ignorant of Peter |Holsapple's more recent solo career. I see an album of his |from 1997 called "Out of My Way," and was wondering if any of |you had any opinions on it. | If you're familiar with his album with Chris Stamey, MAVERICKS, and the Continental Drifter's albums this one seems to fit somewhere in between. More rootsy than any of the dB's albums even the post Stamey ones. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:05:46 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's I LOVE IT. Some of the tunes are absolutely brilliant, like 'Shirley', 'Out of My Way', 'Here and Now', and my favorite 'Couldn't Stop Lying to You'. Can't really compare it to anything, but it's not as poppy as the Holsapple/Stamey record. One song from it 'Meet Me in The Middle' was covered on the Continental Drifters Vermillion CD, with Susan Cowsill on lead vocal. It's definitely worth having. 'What does it mean, Number 6?' 'It means what it is' ----Original Message Follows---- From: loudfamily@hushmail.com To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:42:02 -0700 Learned Community- I'm a huge dB's fan, and was ignorant of Peter Holsapple's more recent solo career. I see an album of his from 1997 called "Out of My Way," and was wondering if any of you had any opinions on it. -Thanks - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:19:36 EDT From: RufusWainwrong@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Square Pegs In a message dated 10/18/01 1:33:38 AM, Vivebonpop@aol.com writes: >but what about the guy >who played Johnny Slash? (drove the Day-Glo Nash Metropolitan) A favorite > >moment of that show was a scene in the high school language lab. Instead >of >listening to his French homework, JS is playing the B-52's "Wild Planet." > My >hero. > >He's probably about 35, bitter, and working at Foot Locker or something. > So what if I am? Got a problem with it, you heartless bastard Loud Effer? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:27:20 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Square Pegs RufusWainwrong@aol.com on 2001/10/18 Thu PM 03:19:36 MDT wrote: > In a message dated 10/18/01 1:33:38 AM, Vivebonpop@aol.com writes: > > >but what about the guy > >who played Johnny Slash? (drove the Day-Glo Nash Metropolitan) A favorite > > > >moment of that show was a scene in the high school language lab. Instead > >of > >listening to his French homework, JS is playing the B-52's "Wild Planet." > > My > >hero. > > > >He's probably about 35, bitter, and working at Foot Locker or something. > > > > So what if I am? Got a problem with it, you heartless bastard Loud Effer? Hey! Only us REAL Loud Effers are allowed to make fun of Mark! He's OUR pariah. You haven't earned it yet, baby. Later. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:27:09 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's Both more and less recently, this week saw the release of Collectors' Choice (typically under-promoted) reissue of a "Stands for Decibels/Repercussion" twofer...which is what I was expecting to be the subject of the first post with this heading. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:59:08 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's OOps, I think 'Meet in the Middle' is on Paris Ave. My bad. What does it mean, Number 6?' 'It means what it is' - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "O Geier" To: loudfamily@hushmail.com, loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:05:46 +0000 I LOVE IT. Some of the tunes are absolutely brilliant, like 'Shirley', 'Out of My Way', 'Here and Now', and my favorite 'Couldn't Stop Lying to You'. Can't really compare it to anything, but it's not as poppy as the Holsapple/Stamey record. One song from it 'Meet Me in The Middle' was covered on the Continental Drifters Vermillion CD, with Susan Cowsill on lead vocal. It's definitely worth having. 'What does it mean, Number 6?' 'It means what it is' ----Original Message Follows---- From: loudfamily@hushmail.com To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:42:02 -0700 Learned Community- I'm a huge dB's fan, and was ignorant of Peter Holsapple's more recent solo career. I see an album of his from 1997 called "Out of My Way," and was wondering if any of you had any opinions on it. -Thanks - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:57:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: [loud-fans] Fireking Any Boston loud-fans (or anyone else, for that matter) heard of Fireking? Way back in the '80s, there was a Detroit synth-pop band called Figures on a Beach. They self-released a fantastic four-track EP and followed it up with a couple of 12" singles before being signed to Sire and moving to Boston. They were never terribly successful, although they had a track called "No Stars" on one of those Sire comps, as well as a cover of "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" that got some airplay. Well, in the latest issue of Amplifier, there is an interview with Fireking, which is 2 guys from FOAB. I immediately sent for their CD, and I'm loving it. Really melodic, hook-filled pop with an edge (i.e. not wimpy -- it rocks!). I recommend it highly and suspect it would appeal to lots of loud-fans. http://www.firekings.com - -- Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:11:19 -0700 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fireking Isn't one of the figures on a beach now a future bible hero? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Trowbridge To: loud-fans Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: [loud-fans] Fireking > Any Boston loud-fans (or anyone else, for that matter) heard of > Fireking? Way back in the '80s, there was a Detroit synth-pop band > called Figures on a Beach. They self-released a fantastic four-track > EP and followed it up with a couple of 12" singles before being > signed to Sire and moving to Boston. They were never terribly > successful, although they had a track called "No Stars" on one of > those Sire comps, as well as a cover of "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" > that got some airplay. > > Well, in the latest issue of Amplifier, there is an interview with > Fireking, which is 2 guys from FOAB. I immediately sent for their CD, > and I'm loving it. Really melodic, hook-filled pop with an edge (i.e. > not wimpy -- it rocks!). I recommend it highly and suspect it would > appeal to lots of loud-fans. http://www.firekings.com > -- > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:20:50 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fireking At 04:11 PM 10/18/01 -0700, Brandon J. Carder wrote: >Isn't one of the figures on a beach now a future bible hero? Yeah, Chris Ewen (who I think just went by his last name in FOAB) writes all the music on the Future Bible Heroes records. He was the main songwriter in Figures too, which is probably why FBH has that authentically '80s synthpop sound. S "Men: We drank a lot of beer, then we stole 700 lbs. of explosives" --headline at www.obscurestore.com (Or, as we called it in Portales, NM: Tuesday) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:26:01 EDT From: GlenSarvad@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Name Borrowing Other examples of such inspired behavior (both via 7" EPs)- Nick Lowe making a record called "Bowi" (think about it a second....) and the Chicago band Green releasing an EP called "REM." _________________________________________________ The TAANG! reissue of _Forget Mission of Burma_ makes vague mention of Clint Connely and Roger miller pairing up at some point to answer Pearl Jam's lifting of the album title _Vs._ with a single entitled _Ten_ Did this ever happen? Details? Yes. The single was released under the name The Wrong Pipe in March 1995. The songs are "Blue Story" by Conley and "Kuchkah Tay Zod" by Miller. ("Ten" was just a name they attached to the record and doesn't relate to the songs). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:52:21 -0700 From: "Brandon J. Carder" Subject: [loud-fans] Chicago and miss jovan's hundred hand 'o' mat I really like a little bargain-bin stuffer I picked up years ago by an Illinois band called the Hundred Handed. Any windy city folks know/remember this fantastic trio? The disk has one of those green, horned tomato worms on the cover and is self titled on Nadareel records (which appears to be the band's own label). I have found no trace of the band through the usual sources but I cannot believe such a striking pop band could go unnoticed even by obscurity conscious loud fans. (when a band doesn't turn up on google, one begins to wonder) The disk's ten songs are hook-laden and heartfelt, at times upbeat and suddenly melancholy- really one of my all time favs with perennial recomendation.. Cypress House/QED/Lost Coast Press Publishers of Exotic Paper Airplanes by Thay Yang and Tales From the Mountain by Pulitzer Prize nominee, Miguel Torga We don't rent pigs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:43:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] new fun A friend of mine found this site - I'm thinking surely, we can come up with a Loud-appropriate version: Scott and cohorts fighting off their enemies...Indifference, Apathy, Label Bankruptcy, Dawn Richardson... Or even more frightening...a Loudfans version. Everyone choose a weaopn. > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, timprchal wrote: > > > Go to http://www.willicommer.de/PhotoInvaders/index.htm and ye shall see > > a silly version of Space Invaders that you can download and design with > > your own graphics. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:28:17 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Holsapple and dB's > | I'm a huge dB's fan, and was ignorant of Peter > |Holsapple's more recent solo career. I see an album of his > |from 1997 called "Out of My Way," and was wondering if any of > |you had any opinions on it. > > If you're familiar with his album with Chris Stamey, MAVERICKS, and the > Continental Drifter's albums this one seems to fit somewhere in > between. More rootsy than any of the dB's albums even the post Stamey > ones. OUT OF MY WAY has some nice songs. I wouldn't rate it as highly as, say, MAVERICKS or the Drifters' VERMILLION, but it's not just for completists. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:49:12 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] The Big Picture Since this band seems to have more than a few fans among loud-fans, I thought there might be some interest in this news. I just heard that Rainbow Quartz has started shipping copies of the new Cotton Mather album THE BIG PICTURE. The "official" UK release date isn't until October 29th, and I don't think it's coming out for awhile, so the best bet for American fans is to order directly from rainbowquartz.com (go to the "Store" section). There's also a CD single for "40 Watt Solution" there, presumably containing tracks not on the album. Steve ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #274 *******************************