From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #261 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, October 11 2001 Volume 01 : Number 261 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Aquaquake ["Aaron Milenski" ] RE: [loud-fans] Aquaquake ["Keegstra, Russell" ] RE: [loud-fans] Aquaquake [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Permanent Press, rip ["Max Germer" ] Re: [loud-fans] highschool obscurantism ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] "New" Nic Jones [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] Sex Pistols [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] "New" Nic Jones [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] "New" Nic Jones ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie ["Vallor" ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] Is it on CD? (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Is it on CD? (ns) ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Is it on CD? (ns) [dc ] Re: [loud-fans] Is it on CD? (ns) [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Is it on CD? (ns) [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] Is it on CD? (ns) [Jack Lippold ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] japaneurotica (ns) [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie ["West Moran" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:52:42 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Aquaquake >As an added bonus, in the liner notes there's a picture of Paula in the >bathtub. Sorry, I can't let this get by without telling the truth (mostly because I'm so annoyed by all of the 90s and 00s people who get nekkid on their album covers.) She's fully clothed in the bathtub. That shouldn't stop anyone from buying the CD. It's absolutely great. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:22:27 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Aquaquake Bi-FFed: >On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Roger Winston wrote: >> somewhere that it can be purchased at the 125 Records website >> (http://www.125records.com), and I hope that's right. Buy! George W. Bush >> wants you to spend. >As usual, Rog's post is a farrago of half-truths, distortions, >obfuscations, arboreta, and fanciful eleemosynary deputations. (Okay - >he'd never done one of the latter before.) Ah, but what neither of them is telling you is that this album is full of 1970s era classified military technology after it's namesake, the Rhyolite/Aquacade series of military SIGINT satellites. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:31:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Aquaquake On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Keegstra, Russell wrote: > Ah, but what neither of them is telling you is that this album is full of > 1970s era classified military technology after it's namesake, the > Rhyolite/Aquacade series of military SIGINT satellites. Francis! You're back - but with a new name! - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n matches? The Architectural Dance Society candles? www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html matches? candles? np: Hollies Greatest Hits buns? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:59:34 -0400 From: "Max Germer" Subject: [loud-fans] Permanent Press, rip October 10, 2001 To Audities List Members & Pop Music Fans: It is with deep regret and much sadness that I find myself having to make this announcement today. With the current instability occuring in the record/music industry, I have no choice but to cease operating and to close down Permanent Press Recordings. In 1999, Permanent Press barely survived when its national distributor went out of business after 51 years. And in May of this year, our Canadian distributor, Song Corporation, went bankrupt. This followed three weeks later by one of our three US distributors, Paulstarr Distributing Group, going out of business. Having barely survived one distributor going down in 1999 was hard enough, let alone two in a month and three in two years. This, plus the fact that some distributors still functioning out there, whether for us or other labels, simply cannot even perform the most routine task of getting your product into the marketplace. The sub-standard level of performance given to labels by independent distribution has reached an all-time low. The current instability at retail, CD burners, internet downloading, the corporate raping of our radio and tv airwaves, the state of the economy before and especially now, after the tragic events that shook our country September 11th, are all factors as well. Since its reactivation in late 1994, Permanent Press has been a true labor of love for me. I want to send my thanks and appreciation to all the great artists and musicians I had the opportunity to work and become friends with, who helped me in my vision and helped to make Permanent Press what it was. I also want to thank all of loyal customers and pop music fans who have supported Permanent Press and hopefully enjoyed most of the music the label released. The positive letters and comments I received over the last 7 years made it all worth while. I also want to thank all the music journalists, radio programmers, magazines and all those behind-the-scenes who have been so supportive of Permanent Press (names far too numerous to mention). The Permanent Press web-site (www.permanentpress.net) will remain up as a reference site only. We are NO LONGER accepting any mail orders. For those interested in purchasing any of our latest releases or catalog titles, now or in the future, I suggest you try: www.milesofmusic.com www.notlame.com www.amazon.com www.cdnow.com ..........retail stores, or other internet music store web sites. After sorting out all the paperwork and business concerns, I have decided to devote more time now to being a musician, songwriter and a producer again. I have been asked by my good friend, Emitt Rhodes, to help him begin work very soon on a brand new studio album. I'm determined to motivate him and make sure he finishes it. I'll keep you updated of the progress, if you care to know. They say..."all good things must come to an end." In life, it's really so true, if you think about it. You just don't know when. Thanks to AUDITIES for being here, and to ALL those who enjoyed the music on Permanent Press. And through these troubled times, keep fighting the good fight for quality music. It WILL keep your spirits up. Sincerely, Ray Paul www.permanentpress.net/raypaul.htm e: raypaul@permanentpress.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:44:51 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] highschool obscurantism I don't know the name of the of the Qs song in said film, but I'm happy to encourage one and all to see BRAIN DAMAGE on general principle. Reminds me of the only bachelor party I've hosted so far--bad movies galore. Would you believe the groom didn't want any strippers? Would you believe some showed up anyway? Though they looked suspiciously like the bride and some of her friends... Andy Q: Name three songs that make up a perfect stripper's set. A: First, I just want to say that if I see one more girl come out in a plaid schoolgirl skirt and a white blouse tied at the waist, dancing to "Rag Doll" by Aerosmith, I'm gonna scream. Second of all, I think there should be a nationwide moratorium on "Cherry Pie" by Warrant. That song doesn't exist anywhere but strip clubs and you just think, OK, I wasn't having such a good time in the late '80s, early '90s to begin with and this kind of music is part of the reason why. My irony meter is not yet pegged to accept "Cherry Pie." Historically, when all else fails, pull out "Highway to Hell" by AC/DC. And "Bad to the Bone" -- guys really adore that. If the club is more hip-hop friendly, it's such a savage song, but "Can I Get a Fuck You" by Jay Z ... it creates such a tension. It's a nice girl doing this naughty thing to a really tough song: "OK, I need to get to know that girl better." But the no-fail, can't-miss song of all time seems to be "Pour Some Sugar on Me" by Def Leppard. I'm not sure if this is due to the celebratory, unabashed corniness of the song or if there's a direct link between glucose and the male libido, but there you have it. [--retired stripper Lily Burana, from an interview with Suzy Hansen at http://www.salon.com/books/int/2001/10/09/burana/index.html . Burana is the author of the recently-published STRIP CITY: A STRIPPER'S FAREWELL JOURNEY ACROSS AMERICA.] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:50:17 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] highschool obscurantism on 10/10/01 9:44 AM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > But the no-fail, can't-miss song of all time seems to be "Pour Some Sugar on > Me" by Def Leppard. I'm not sure if this is due to the celebratory, > unabashed corniness of the song or if there's a direct link between glucose > and the male libido, but there you have it. > > [--retired stripper Lily Burana, from an interview with Suzy Hansen at > http://www.salon.com/books/int/2001/10/09/burana/index.html . Burana is the > author of the recently-published STRIP CITY: A STRIPPER'S FAREWELL JOURNEY > ACROSS AMERICA.] Obviously, Ms. Burana has never heard Emm Gryner's deconstruction of the song. The prospect of stripping to _that_ one might make a hard-core Vegas showgirl queasy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:01:37 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] highschool obscurantism >> But the no-fail, can't-miss song of all time seems to be "Pour Some Sugar on >> Me" by Def Leppard. I'm not sure if this is due to the celebratory, >> unabashed corniness of the song or if there's a direct link between glucose >> and the male libido, but there you have it. >Obviously, Ms. Burana has never heard Emm Gryner's deconstruction of the >song. The prospect of stripping to _that_ one might make a hard-core Vegas >showgirl queasy. Quite possibly. Still, if women can take their clothes off to Nine Inch Nails' "Hurt" (and drive its creator to anguish by so doing), I'd say all bets are off. Just in passing, I'll note that Vegas showgirls do not, strictly speaking, strip, and tend to look down upon strippers. See you in this rainy town tomorrow Michael? Andy Quotation of the day: Author - Elias Canetti http://www.logos.it/bio/elias_canetti.html English - we can do nothing worse to a person than busy ourselves exclusively with him Italian - non possiamo fare qualcosa peggiore a qualcuno che occuparci esclusivamente di lui Spanish - lo peor que podemos hacerle a una persona es ocuparnos exclusivamente de ella French - il n'est pire service ` rendre ` quelqu'un que d'en faire son unique centre d'intirjt Portuguese - o pior que podemos fazer a uma pessoa i ocupar-mo-nos exclusivamente dela Brazilian Portuguese - o pior que podemos fazer ` alguim i ocupar-se exclusivamente dele German - wir kvnnen jemandem nichts Schlimmeres antun, als uns ausschlie_lich ihm zu widmen Hungarian - nem tudunk rosszabbat tenni valakivel annal, mint hogy kizarslag vele foglalkozunk Finnish - kellekddn ei voi tehdd pahempaa kuin huolehtia yksinomaan hdnestd Catalan - no podem fer res pitjor a algz que ocuparnos nomis d4ell Croatian - najgore to moemo nekome uraditi je brinuti se iskljucivo o njemu Dutch - we kunnen een persoon niets ergers aandoen dan hem onze volle aandacht te schenken Emiliano Romagnolo - an's pr de ad pez par unquil ch'a tinem sulment dri ma lr Furlan - no podin fb nuje di pies a cualchidun che ocupasi dome di lui Latin - nihil cuiquam peius facere possumus quam ei tantummodo vacare Latvian; Lettish - mes nevaram cilvekam nodarit vairak launa, ka nodarbojoties tikai ar vinu vien Polish - nie mozemy zrobic komus gorszej rzeczy niz zajac sie wylacznie nim Romanian - nu putem face unei persoane nimic mai rau decbt a ne ocupa nn mod exclusiv de ea Slovak - nemteme urobi pre niekoho nic orie ako stara sa iba onho Venetian - no podemo far gnente de pezo a qualcheduno che 'ndarghe senpre drio Sicilian - non ci putemu fari nenti di peggiu a cacchidunu ca 'nteressarinni esclusivamenti di iddu Flemish - we kunnen een persoon niets ergers aandoen dan hem onze volle aandacht te schenken Calabrese - un putimu f` nent i peggiu ar ancunu ca 'nteressarsi sempe e sulu d'iddu Ferrarese - a'n ghh quil piy brut da far a qualcd'un ca badar tut al dl ai so' intaresi Bolognese - an psdn fhr gnlnta ed pnz a un quelcdsn, che tgnnr drn seul a ls - --from the Verba Volant mailing for October 5, 2001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:58:09 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] stripes that are white (ns) I swore I'd forget, but I remembered. The White Stripes are on Letterman tonight. Watch it. Tape it. Sell it on eBay in a few months. - --dana np: Claire Hamill/"Stage Door Johnnies" -- not as good as October, but pretty darn good. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:23:39 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] "New" Nic Jones Just got this from http://www.fishrecords.co.uk. I know we have some fans here. The previous "odds & sods" release, IN SEARCH OF NIC JONES, was excellent. - ----------------------- Amongst the new releases this month is a new Nic Jones double album that is available early November 2001.... Nic Jones - Unearthed (double CD) #16.99 Released 1st November 2001 'Unearthed' is a double album with 31 tracks of mainly unreleased material, and is a mixture of studio, club and concert recordings. It comes complete with comprehensive liner notes on each track, with Nic recounting a little of the personal history relating to each song, and how they found their way into his repertoire. We are currently taking pre-orders for the disc, and will be fulfilling orders as soon as the disc is available. More information at http://www.fishrecords.co.uk/nicjones.html Track listing Disc One 1. The Jukebox As She Turned 2. Bonny George Campbell 3. Roxburgh Castle 4. Boots of Spanish Leather 5. Warlike Lads Of Russia 6. Prickly Bush 7. Captain Glen 8. Billy Don't You Weep For Me 9. Fare Thee Well My Dearest Dear 10. Plains Of Boyle 11. Icarus 12. Rufford Park Poachers 13. Oh Dear, Rue The Day 14. Love Will You Marry Me 15. On A Monday Morning 16. Yarmouth Town 17. Master Kilby Disc Two 1. Jimmy Allen 2. William Of Winesbury 3. Nine Times A Night 4. Annachie Gordon 5. Taoist Tale 6. Rapunzel 7. Clyde Water 8. Hamburger Polka 9. Barbara Ellen 10. Wanton Seed 11. Sonny Brogan's Mazurka 12. Dives And Lazarus 13. I'm Going In A Field 14. Ten Thousand Miles - ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:24:49 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sex Pistols >NP: EDITH SITWELL READING HER POEMS Is this as great as one would expect? And does it include her version of "Facade", with accompaniment? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:14:45 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "New" Nic Jones At 01:23 PM 10/10/01 -0700, Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: >Just got this from http://www.fishrecords.co.uk. I know we have some fans here. >The previous "odds & sods" release, IN SEARCH OF NIC JONES, was excellent. Not only that, but I read in last month's Mojo that Nic Jones actually performed for the first time in two decades at this year's Sidmouth Festival! If Robert Wyatt can do it, I don't know why Nic Jones can't. Same review said that Martin Carthy did Ian Dury's "Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll," a concept positively jaw-dropping in both its unexpectedness and its utter brilliance. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:38:38 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "New" Nic Jones >Not only that, but I read in last month's Mojo that Nic Jones actually >performed for the first time in two decades at this year's Sidmouth >Festival! If Robert Wyatt can do it, I don't know why Nic Jones can't. Ah, but can Syd Barrett? I'll settle for Kate Bush duetting with Anne Briggs, Andy Jedi Makes The Census List Scientology, author L. Ron Hubbard's creation that detractors call a "sci-fi religion," may be soon be overshadowed by George Lucas's honest-to-goodness sci-fi religion. Jedi Knight has joined mainstream religious choices - like Church of England, Hindu and Muslim - and less mainstream choices - like Scientology, Druidism and New Age - on the list of religion codes for the 2001 British census. Earlier this year, Brits were urged in an email campaign to list Jedi - the mystical way of life followed by Obi-wan Kenobi and Luke Skywalker in the Star Wars movies - as their religion on census forms. And the project has succeeded. Its official code is 896, placing it at #174 on a list of 177 choices, just above Heathen, Athiest and None. Though sufficient numbers of people wrote the entry in for it to be allocated its own code for the census processing team to use, officials from Britain's Office Of National Statistics are keen to note the code does not confer an official status on the religion, saying, "It is not up to us to recognise or not recognise religions." It is not yet clear how many people will declare themselves as Jedi, as the counting process is still going on. Results are to be published in Autumn 2002. [--from today's Movie & TV News at the Internet Movie Database] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:53:23 -0400 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:20:59 -0700 > From: "Brandon J. Carder" > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] audio weenie > > So, does this God Ween Satan reissue portend more Twin/Tone records to come? > Me, > I would like to hear Robyn Hitchcock's brilliant EYE in 46 shimmering linear > phases, remastered throughout the 39 bits. (and while they're at it, the > liner notes could use some work, too). I expect someone might have answered this before I get to it, but Rhino has reissued Eye in blistering Bill Inglot (presumably) sound with 3 bonus demos. The reissue appeared in 1995 along with, I think, all of Hitchcock's other releases. I was listening to Groovy Deco (a combo platter of Groovy Decay & Groovy Decoy) today and it was about as crisp as you can imagine a CD being. I wish more labels were as interested in mastering quality as Rhino. I also wanted to ask you folks for some information on CD's, can anyone tell me if these releases ever appeared in CD? Anyone know where they might be found? Bee Gees- Odessa (complete version, not edited) The Byrds- Pre-Flyte (not the Sony alternate takes CD, but the original tracks) Christmas- In Excelsior Dayglo Doctors Children- King Buffalo (Down There or any other label) Flamin' Groovies- Shake Some Action Flying Color- Flying Color Giant Sand- Storm Green On Red- Gravity Talks Human Switchboard- Who's Landing In My Hanger The Individuals- Fields The Last- LA Explosion The Last- Painting Smiles On A Dead Man Kirsty MacColl- Desparate Character Miracle Legion- The Backyard EP Miracle Legion- Surprise Surprise Surprise LP Mission Of Burma- Let Them Be Burma (UK outtakes double album...stuff from the Taaang records) The Motorcycle Boy (UK band)- anything? The Neats- first album Bob Pfeifer- After Words Rank And File- Sundown Rank And File- Long Gone Dead The Romans- anything? Jules Shear- The Eternal Return Nicki Sudden And The Jacobites- Texas XTC- Skylarking (the version before "Dear God" cocked it up) Yung Wu- Shore Leave Hope you're all well, I am fluey today- Dan Vallor - ----------------------------------------------------------- King Record Worldwide Lathe Web http://members.home.net/vallor/ Xpressway List Group http://www.egroups.com/group/Xpressway - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:20:57 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie At 02:53 PM 10/10/01 -0400, Vallor wrote: >I also wanted to ask you folks for some information on CD's, can anyone tell >me if these releases ever appeared in CD? Anyone know where they might be >found? > >Bee Gees- Odessa (complete version, not edited) I am 95% certain that the Polydor CD is the full 17-track double album. But it doesn't have the cool flocked velvet cover, so I never traded up from my LPs. >The Byrds- Pre-Flyte (not the Sony alternate takes CD, but the original >tracks) Didn't Poptones just reissue this? You mean the early tracks that came out on vinyl in the mid-80s, right? >XTC- Skylarking (the version before "Dear God" cocked it up) "Mermaid Smiled" (which is a fantastic song, much better than "Dear God") is on RAG AND BONE BUFFET, so you could just make a CD-R of the album, dropping in "Mermaid Smiled" in "Dear God"'s place, and put one of those slimline double-CD holders in the tray of the original CD so it doesn't get misplaced. Not an elegant solution, but better than nothing. The Geffen XTC CD reissues are terribly annoying, because the bonus tracks come *in between* Side 1 and Side 2. At least they did in one pressing, they might have seen the light since then... S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Vallor wrote: > XTC- Skylarking (the version before "Dear God" cocked it up) This was issued on CD, and can be found by scouting used CD stores or eBay. J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:45:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Vallor wrote: > Christmas- In Excelsior Dayglo Almost positive it hasn't been. > Bob Pfeifer- After Words Is this the Human Switchboard guy? > XTC- Skylarking (the version before "Dear God" cocked it up) I believe the recent Japanese reissues had "Mermaid Smiled" in its original place of honor, though "Dear God" is tacked onto the end. a - -- to raise your intake of aaron, consider -- - -- fiction on demand -- free fast figments -- - -- read/request @ www.bantha.org/~trap/ltd -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:40:33 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Is it on CD? (ns) >Bee Gees- Odessa (complete version, not edited) I am 95% certain that the Polydor CD is the full 17-track double album. But it doesn't have the cool flocked velvet cover, so I never traded up from my LPs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's the full album. I wish they'd at least done a limited edition with the velvet, but as far as I know, they didn't. Christmas- In Excelsior Dayglo >>>>>>>> Definitely not. Way overdue. In the meantime, my open copy continues to get frequent play while my sealed backup copy stands ready should my cats decide to dance on my turntable at an inopportune moment. Anyone else remember Spin going nuts over this when it first came out? Yung Wu- Shore Leave >>>>>>>>> Also not on CD. Now that "The Good Earth" is out of print and beginning to fetch collector's prices, I'm hoping that someone will reissue on CD the Feelies' Coyote output, including Yung Wu (which is pretty much my favorite Feelies album at this point), the Trypes' Explorers Hold (which is not quite so great, but hey) and that EP that accompanied Good Earth. What a great set that would make!! - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:20:21 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie In a message dated 10/10/01 5:54:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vallor@home.com writes: > Kirsty MacColl- Desparate Character > This is the only one for sure that I know isn't on CD. This album is so rare that Kirsty had said in interviews that she didn't have a copy. If you've got one, you're very lucky. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:57:38 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Is it on CD? (ns) >I am 95% certain that the Polydor CD is the full 17-track double album. >But it doesn't have the cool flocked velvet cover, so I never traded up >from my LPs. The version available through CDNow.com does indeed sport 17 tracks. Mind you, that doesn't preclude the record company trimming tracks from within, as with the unnecessary, ridiculous chop job on "Sara" for the CD version of Fleetwood Mac's TUSK. That's NOT all for everyone, Andy Quotation of the day: Author - Ennio Flaiano http://www.logos.it/bio/ennio_flaiano.html English - if peoples knew themselves better they would learn to hate themselves Italian - se i popoli si conoscessero meglio imparerebbero ad odiarsi Spanish - si los pueblos se conocieran mejor a sm mismos aprenderman a odiarse French - si les peuples se connaissaient mieux, ils apprendraient ` se haor Portuguese - se os povos se conhecessem melhor, aprenderiam a odiar-se Brazilian Portuguese - se os povos se conhecessem melhor, aprenderiam a odiar-se German - wenn die Vvlker Gelegenheit hdtten, sich besser kennen zu lernen, w|rden sie lernen, einander zu hassen Hungarian - ha a nipeknek nagyobb vnismeret|k lenne, megtanulnak gyulvlni magukat Finnish - jos kansat tuntisivat itsensd paremmin, ne oppisivat vihaamaan itseddn Catalan - si els pobles es coneixessin millor aprendrien a odiarse Croatian - kad bi se narodi bolje poznavali medusobno naucili bi da se mrze Dutch - indien volkeren maar wat meer zelfkennis hadden, zouden ze leren zichzelf te haten Emiliano Romagnolo - s'la zenti d'unquel paiss as cugnousess da bon, a sapria e modi d'udiers Furlan - se i popui si cognosessin mitr imparassin a odebsi Latin - si populi inter se notiores fiant, mutuum odium discant Latvian; Lettish - ja cilveki sevi apzinatos labak, vini iemacitos ienist sevi Polish - gdyby narody poznaly sie lepiej to nauczylyby sie nienawidziec siebie Romanian - daca popoarele s-ar cunoaste mai bine, ar invata sa se urasca Slovak - ak by sa narody poznali lepie, naucili by sa nenavidiet sa Venetian - se i popoli se conosesse mejio i inpararia a odiarse Sicilian - s' 'i populi si canuscissiru megghiu, si 'nsignassiru a udiarisi Flemish - indien volkeren maar wat meer zelfkennis hadden, zouden ze leren zichzelf te haten Calabrese - si i pirsun s'imparasser a canusc mejo, imparasseru a s'odi` Ferrarese - s'il popul is t'gnusiss mei, i impaparia a udiaras Bolognese - se chi prpol i s cgnusissen mii, i inpararinn a vlaires dal mhl - --from the Verba Volant mailing for October 8, 2001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:02:50 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Is it on CD? (ns) Dana L Paoli wrote: > Christmas- In Excelsior Dayglo > >>>>>>>> > Definitely not. Way overdue. then this seems to have been bootlegged at least once. i found it on CD about six years ago, in the "import" section of a Seattle shop; the label purports to be "IV Recordings" (catalog IVR-007). that said, the packaging would make one think it's a legitimate release -- very professional and complete, and it replicates what i remember of the original release including the artwork and typefaces. the sound is good, although a few subtle clicks/pops suggest that it was mastered off the vinyl. i might not have picked it up, but it had been marked down from $23 to $9.99. which almost makes up for, at about the same time, my having passed over Cypress/Afoot at the price of $15. almost. dc vicinity of seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:46:39 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Is it on CD? (ns) Not to brag, but I've just come back from three days of valiantly supporting porn stars who risked their lives by flying cross-country to a convention in Atlantic City during these troubled times. I've breezed through the e-mails, so I'm not sure who asked if Bob Pfeifer's "After Words" was ever released on CD. On the honor system, the original poster should contact me off-list for a sealed copy, which is the last of several that I bought a few years ago at some liquidator's shop. There's one last "Cool Blue Halo" for whoever wants to claim that, too. I'm also happy to see that this list has returned to the proper business of making fun of fat people...although anyone who listened to (the considerably thinner) Rush Limbaugh would've been spared the embarrassment of falling for that obvious rigged photo of the guy atop the World Trade Center--especially at such a late date. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:23:46 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Is it on CD? (ns) At 06:40 PM 10/10/01 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: >Christmas- In Excelsior Dayglo >>>>>>>>> >Definitely not. Way overdue. In the meantime, my open copy continues to >get frequent play while my sealed backup copy stands ready should my cats >decide to dance on my turntable at an inopportune moment. When the Hoodoo Gurus won their lawsuit against BigTime Records, they won control of all the label's master tapes, which they announced they were giving back to the other artists. I know that Redd Kross' NEUROTICA came out on Japanese import shortly after that, so I assume that Michael Cudahy and Liz Cox have control of these masters now. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:48:42 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie >> XTC- Skylarking (the version before "Dear God" cocked it up) On Wednesday, October 10, 2001, at 05:45 PM, Aaron Mandel wrote: > I believe the recent Japanese reissues had "Mermaid Smiled" in its > original place of honor, though "Dear God" is tacked onto the end. The Japanese XTC reissues all have the bonus tracks moved to the end. You can get them cheap at www.hmv.ca. I can't figure out why they didn't include Extrovert on Skylarking, but what the heck. - - Steve __________ He may call himself conservative, but he is not. He is an insurgent who is out to upend America's defenses, eliminate our progressive tax system, undermine the separation of church and state, reduce environmental protection, and turn the clock back on reproductive rights. - Tanya Melich, Republican consultant, on George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:57:22 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie Here's a few that I can vouch for, because I own them. > The Byrds- Pre-Flyte (not the Sony alternate takes CD, but the original > tracks) This was reissued by Rhino in the 80s, retitled IN THE BEGINNING. I think that's the same as PREFLYTE (first album demos) > Christmas- In Excelsior Dayglo I own this so it definitely came out on CD, contrary to what others have said, but I don't know if it was a legitimate release. I've got the same version that dc mentioned (on IV-Recordings), and it looks legit, even though I've never heard of that label before. > Flamin' Groovies- Shake Some Action Reissued on CD by Aim (Australia). Cheap and easy to find too. > Flying Color- Flying Color Reissued on CD by Munster (Spain) in 1996, with three bonus tracks. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:50:48 -0500 From: Jack Lippold Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Is it on CD? (ns) Captain Sensible's first 2 solo releases (on A & M - Europe): "Women and Captain First" - 1982 "Power of Love" - 1983 I don't think they are on CD. There is a website that gives a pretty complete discography and those two are not listed as being anything but their original-year LP releases. Anyone know differently? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:28:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > >XTC- Skylarking (the version before "Dear God" cocked it up) > > "Mermaid Smiled" (which is a fantastic song, much better than "Dear God") > is on RAG AND BONE BUFFET, so you could just make a CD-R of the album, > dropping in "Mermaid Smiled" in "Dear God"'s place, and put one of those > slimline double-CD holders in the tray of the original CD so it doesn't get > misplaced. Not an elegant solution, but better than nothing. Another problem is that they've crossfaded all the tracks - so if you do try to do this, you have to either have them w/very rough edges or fading in and out early. The crossfade on "Dear God" is particularly awful: because the track wasn't in the original, Rundgrenized running order (which paid attention to key), it clashes horribly with the end of the preceding track and with the opening of the next one. (Or maybe it's just awful on one end - but awful it is.) I like "Dear God" just fine - but why they didn't just tack it on to the end of the CD as a bonus track in later editions, instead of replacing a perfectly good and rather interesting track, I don't know. *All* records should be reissued by Rhino on CD. If anyone wins the lottery, or otherwise gains access to huge loads of cash, they ought to endow Rhino with loads of money. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ np: Bichos _Four Legs in the Morning_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:45:44 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] japaneurotica (ns) Stewart (or anyone who knows), That Japanese Neurotica that you mention...do you know if it was remastered, or how the sound compares to the original Neurotica CD? The original is pretty low volume and not all that great sounding: whenever I put tracks from it onto comps, I have to put it on next to a soft, lo-fi song, or it ends up sounding like crud. I had seen a Japanese(?) boot of Neurotica (Visions of the Third Eye, which also includes Third Eye) but that was mastered from vinyl, and lacked the bonus tracks. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:13:39 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] japaneurotica (ns) At 11:45 PM 10/10/01 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: >Stewart (or anyone who knows), > >That Japanese Neurotica that you mention...do you know if it was >remastered, or how the sound compares to the original Neurotica CD? The >original is pretty low volume and not all that great sounding: whenever >I put tracks from it onto comps, I have to put it on next to a soft, >lo-fi song, or it ends up sounding like crud. I don't know, I never bought the reissue. However, I'm not sure how much remastering would help -- I think it's just a really poorly-recorded album. Not as bad as TEEN BABES FROM MONSANTO or BORN INNOCENT, but still pretty bad. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:29:00 -0700 From: "West Moran" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie > The Japanese XTC reissues all have the bonus tracks moved to the end. > You can get them cheap at www.hmv.ca. I can't figure out why they > didn't include Extrovert on Skylarking, but what the heck. I tried the link above, but it took me to www.hmv.com, which is a blank page. At least it was a blank page for me. Could I be doing something wrong? West ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:48:45 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: audio weenie On Wednesday, October 10, 2001, at 11:29 PM, West Moran wrote: > I tried the link above, but it took me to www.hmv.com, which is a blank > page. At least it was a blank page for me. Could I be doing something > wrong? I thought it should be .com, but I got the same blank page with OmniWeb. The .ca does link, and it works fine with IE 5.1.2 for Mac. I suspect the HMV page is ms-centric or depends on something you have turned off. - - Steve __________ Is the media consortium suppressing the news of a Gore victory in Florida? http://makethemaccountable.com/coverup/index.htm ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #261 *******************************