From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #258 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, October 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 258 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Flaming Lips request ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] [loud-fans] Re: Flaming Lips request ["Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Flaming Lips request I'd like a scan of the back cover inlay card from the 4-CD version of ZAIREEKA in as high a resolution as possible. Please *DO NOT* mail it to me - just contact me off-list and I'll arrange to get it via e-mail, FTP, or by Web. Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 07:47:13 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: bad jokes Excuse me for making light of pot. It's quite well known that it is carcinogenic and can impair you and get you into situations that'll kill you just like alcohol can. Drugs bad. Loud Family good. M np Beulah "The Coast is Never Clear" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:39:55 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Web Etiquette for Ari In a message dated 10/6/01 6:39:02 PM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes of his dedicated belief in a non-event: << If it's no big deal, why was it omitted from the transcripts? >> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010926-5.html You can also select the date from the listed archives. There's a one-word difference between Fleischer's strong language and the inflammatory original reports, but we've established that those original reports were written by liars or loons. <> This defense would be more believable if, for example, the first outraged posting on LoudList didn't proclaim that Ari Fleischer was speaking "in response to Bill Maher's comments that 'lobbing cruise missiles from 2000 miles away' was 'cowardly.'" (The posting also suggested that Fleischer had become the equal of Stalin.) Why can't people just be honest about rushing to judgment without all the facts? Yes, they can still be concerned about Fleischer's remarks. They can also still be concerned about fictional omitted transcripts. My initial Fleischer e-mail was lifted from a piece that I've written about the whole sad affair. Anyone who can stand more details at this point can contact me off-list for the finished product. I'd also like to thank one Lister for giving me the piece's punchline. A grown man blindly getting his news from AintItCool is funny. A grown man blindly getting his news from Salon.com is hilarious. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 11:24:45 -0500 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Web Etiquette for Ari -- no nutritional value at all - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "Bucky...Firewoman...and John Cameron Swayze...." Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Web Etiquette for Ari > On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 JRT456@aol.com wrote in midrange dudgeon: > > > "I'm aware of the press reports about what he [Maher] said. I have not seen > > the actual transcript of the show itself, but assuming the press reports are > > right, it's a terrible thing to say and it's unfortunate. And that's why > > there was an earlier question about bhas the President said anything to > > people in his own party?' The reminder is to all Americans that they need to > > watch what they say, watch what they do, and that this is not a time for > > remarks like that. It never is." > > I think we should send *Bill Maher* over to fight the terrorists. He did a great job defending our avocado supply in "Amazon Women of the Avocado Jungle." He turned the knitting nancyboys of the Avocado jungle into brave men worthy of being sacrificed to the Amazon women. Bill Maher: An army of one. Hey baby, wanna go for a ride in my 'Vette? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:17:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Web Etiquette for Ari On Sun, 7 Oct 2001 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/6/01 6:39:02 PM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes of his > dedicated belief in a non-event: > > << If it's no big deal, why was it omitted from the transcripts? >> > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010926-5.html > > You can also select the date from the listed archives. There's a one-word > difference between Fleischer's strong language and the inflammatory original > reports, Four words: "watch what you say, watch what you do" vs. only the latter phrase. but we've established that those original reports were written by > liars or loons. What do you mean "we," kemo sabe? > This defense would be more believable if, for example, the first outraged > posting on LoudList didn't proclaim that Ari Fleischer was speaking "in > response to Bill Maher's comments that 'lobbing cruise missiles from 2000 > miles away' was 'cowardly.'" Which Fleischer was - see the transcript, which indicates Fleischer's remarks came in response to a question about Bill Maher's comments. (The posting also suggested that Fleischer had > become the equal of Stalin.) Why can't people just be honest about rushing to > judgment without all the facts? Yes, they can still be concerned about > Fleischer's remarks. They can also still be concerned about fictional omitted > transcripts. The facts are not in question: they're exactly as they were initially presented. (The "Stalin" bit was clearly a bit of rhetorical play, not to be taken seriously as a literal expression of comparison. This is, after all, a pop music list, and about 90% of the posts to the list work in a more or less humorous vein.) > Lister for giving me the piece's punchline. A grown man blindly getting his > news from AintItCool is funny. A grown man blindly getting his news from > Salon.com is hilarious. I provided the Salon link so listmembers could read it. I read it the news story - including the actual, undisputed transcription of Fleischer's words - in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. (Incidentally, I also did a search on the words in order to confirm what was said, and the context in which it was said. Since I got several hits - I cited Salon because it's a familiar site - I considered it likely that that's what Fleischer actually said.) So for what it's worth, I neither got my news from Salon nor got it "blindly." The incident was also reported in the New York Times (with at least one source citing the "watch what you say" variant) - so go ahead: since absolutely nothing of the substance of what I said has been disputed, I'm sure the hilarity of the situation - a grown man blindly citing the New York Times, various press reports, and various online sources, all confirming the same thing - is readily conveyed. Next time I'll go straight to rouze.com for all my news. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 16:02:46 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Web Etiquette for Ari (and the Taliban, yo!) In a message dated 10/7/01 12:26:35 PM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes, in a sadly determined fashion, about non-existing substance: << Which Fleischer was - see the transcript, which indicates Fleischer's remarks came in response to a question about Bill Maher's comments. >> Well, at least a Lister finally acknowledges that the transcript exists. Now if he could only get somebody to read him item 13 *and* item 18. Anyway, on with the bombing! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 16:59:45 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: bad jokes Vivebonpop@aol.com wrote: > > Excuse me for making light of pot. You can light my pot any time you want, dude. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:08:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Flaming Lips request On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > I'd like a scan of the back cover inlay card from the 4-CD version of > ZAIREEKA in as high a resolution as possible. Please *DO NOT* mail it to > me - just contact me off-list and I'll arrange to get it via e-mail, FTP, > or by Web. Thanks to JeFFrey, who has scanned the cover for me. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:36:54 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Finally The book I've been going on about is to be published by IUniverse, an e-publisher. I sent it in today. Look for it by the end of the year at all the on line book stores. Our Scott has many mentions in this book. So wish me luck. I am so happy about this. And relieved that I've finally, after 12 years of writing, I have a published book. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:40:41 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] BTW Loud-fans and Scott are mentioned in the acknowledgements, just because you're all so cool. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:51:27 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] druids To: loud-fans@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Dennis McGreevy/USA/NA/Praxair) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] druids Stewart: There's some other crime writer (Andrew Vachss, I think) who apparently constantly refers to old Judy Henske records in his books. I've never read him, although I really like Judy Henske. (Her Elektra stuff is finally coming out on CD as part of their 50th anniversary celebration, btw.) <><><><><><> Yes, that is Vachss. Burke, Vachss's main protagonist is very into Ms. Henske. I first heard of her in the Burke books. There's also a scene in one where the Prof. makes Burke listen to a recording of Little Richard backed by Hendrix. - --D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 19:46:18 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Flaming Lips request > I'd like a scan of the back cover inlay card from the 4-CD version of > ZAIREEKA in as high a resolution as possible. Please *DO NOT* mail it to > me - just contact me off-list and I'll arrange to get it via e-mail, FTP, > or by Web. Thanks to JeFFrey, who has scanned the cover for me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool, I like this new Jeff delivery service. Can I be next? I'd like some warm chocolate sauce, a bottle of Oban (the fifteen, not the twelve), two pairs of warm fuzzy slippers and a nice video, preferably a funny one. We already have the ice cream, so don't worry about that. Ring the bottom buzzer. Oh, and EVO is some wonderful Olive Oil. We put drops of it on top of our spaghetti squash with sauce, and used it in the salad dressing. Highly recommended. Beautiful bottle, too. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:41:20 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] '80s out-of-print CD extravaganza While driving through Florida, I came across a store with plenty of used CD's that I hadn't seen in ages (including some that I never knew came in that format). These made for fun listening on the road, but a lot of them just reminded me why folks were relieved when grunge finally hit. Anyway, the titles below probably mean something to someone on this list. I'd prefer an obscure evangelical trade, but anyone who really wants one of these albums can buy it off me for $6. As usual, each CD goes to whoever first requests it off-list... Thelonious Monster: Stormy Weather/Next Saturday Afternoon twofer Don Dixon: Romeo at Juilliard Pete Shelley: XL1 Rock and Hyde: Under the Volcano Kane Gang: The Bad and Lowdown World of... Leroi Brothers: Open All Night Velvet Elvis: s/t Nona Hendryx: Female Trouble Tom Tom Club: Boom Boom Chi Boom Boom Spoons: Vertigo Tango The Screaming Sirens: Voodoo (technically 1990, but still very dated) Fairground Attraction: First of a Million Kisses Tom Robinson: North by Northwest Cindy Bullens: s/t (this one's particularly awful, so don't be fooled by her recent work) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:25:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Flaming Lips request On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > > I'd like a scan of the back cover inlay card from the 4-CD version of > > ZAIREEKA in as high a resolution as possible. Please *DO NOT* mail it > to > > me - just contact me off-list and I'll arrange to get it via e-mail, > FTP, > > or by Web. > > Thanks to JeFFrey, who has scanned the cover for me. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Cool, I like this new Jeff delivery service. Can I be next? > > I'd like some warm chocolate sauce, a bottle of Oban (the fifteen, not > the twelve), two pairs of warm fuzzy slippers and a nice video, > preferably a funny one. We already have the ice cream, so don't worry > about that. Geez - after I already scanned a shirt, a tie, and a nice pair of shoes for you? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #258 *******************************