From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #257 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, October 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Re: 12th grade tunage [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] druids [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] POPSCURANTISM [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] POPSCURANTISM [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Web Etiquette for Ari [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Web Etiquette for Ari [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] POPSCURANTISM [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] porn, dear diary (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: 12th grade tunage [jenny grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 04:09:50 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: 12th grade tunage Vivebonpop@aol.com wrote: > Was Jen > making friendship bracelets and listening to "American Beauty" side one over > and over?.... Um... no. Lots of Pink Floyd. Also the Cars, Kansas, Steely Dan, the Bee Gees, Journey, Jefferson Starship, and Eddie Money. Yeah, go ahead and laugh, it was the friggin' 70's, and I had yet to hear more than a couple of punk songs. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:28:10 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: 12th grade tunage In a message dated 10/6/01 4:17:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sleeveless@citynet.net writes: > Um... no. Lots of Pink Floyd. Also the Cars, Kansas, Steely Dan, the > Bee Gees, Journey, Jefferson Starship, and Eddie Money. Yeah, go ahead > and laugh, it was the friggin' 70's, and I had yet to hear more than a > couple of punk songs. > > Jen > > > > Thanks for responding to this, Jen. I knew I could count on you. You already know I was just teasing about being a Deadhead. (but you still haven't explained why you have a hackeysack collection...he-he) However, aside from all the amusing baggage that went on with that subculture, the Dead did make some good music at times. Living in Charleston, SC makes one QUITE familiar with their music, believe me. I see you being more like Donna on "That '70s Show." (favorite Donna quote of the season: "I broke a nail on a Styx album") Just promise me there wasn't any Pablo Cruise in there. ;O) Even if there was, hey, I admitted to listening to Dead or Alive.... You spin me 'round 'round baby 'round 'round, Mark ("Jerry sweated on me!") p.s. It isn't widely known in the US, but Morrissey and Pete Burns of Dead or Alive were once somewhat of an item back in the mid eighties. Just some useless trivia I thought I'd throw in ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:28:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] POPSCURANTISM On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Brandon J. Carder wrote: > > Me: > > Not exactly obscure, but my favorite comic strip, Get Fuzzy, besides being > > just fucking brilliant, features a character named Rob Wilco for the reason > > you might suspect. > > Rob also wears a Ween shirt occasionally. And Leo Kottke is mentioned often in that strip. > Satchel is my hero, Isn't he named after (scratches head; can't remember) either Louis Armstrong ("Satchmo") or Satchel Paige? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:45:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Web Etiquette On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > If it helps, most people who complain about cronyism grew up eating lunch > alone in the school cafeteria. I assume you have a database supporting this contention, correlating frequency and intensity of complaint against aloneness, small-groupness, and large-but-socially-outcast-groupness. You might consider including data on which tables were intrinsically desirable, just in case you need more to occupy your time. And to further help folks from looking too > schoolish, you might all want to strike future references to Ari Fleischer > and his statement about people watching what they say. Even Ted Koppel's > taken to wondering how nerds got conned into making an issue over a very > innocent remark. Yep, it's perfectly innocent when a White House spokesperson feels the need to make comments implying that the First Amendment is no longer operative, if only in his mind, and that in response to a (fully justifiable imho) remark by a TV show host. Even more so when that remark is stricken from the official transcripts. We have always been at war with Eastasia. Certainly, it's at least as important as what "is" is (look up that verb in the OED some time...). - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, about to go eat lunch alone (HS: moderately outcast small group including sex partner) J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 11:49:41 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] druids At 05:40 PM 10/5/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Okay, I like this thread idea better than "let's rehash high school >music": which (slightly more) popular cultural entities most tip the >obscurometer in their own pop-cultural references? The Onion had an >interview w/crime writer George Pelecanos a few weeks back, which >mentioned that he often refers to (and sometimes incorporates) Steve >Wynn's lyrics in his work. Anyone else? There's some other crime writer (Andrew Vachss, I think) who apparently constantly refers to old Judy Henske records in his books. I've never read him, although I really like Judy Henske. (Her Elektra stuff is finally coming out on CD as part of their 50th anniversary celebration, btw.) Nobody can top the TV show Gilmore Girls for random obscure pop culture references, as in the episode where one character announces that another's favorite band is the Sugarplastic. S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:50:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] druids On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > Nobody can top the TV show Gilmore Girls for random obscure pop culture > references, as in the episode where one character announces that another's > favorite band is the Sugarplastic. Isn't there some writer for porn rags who's into the Loud Family? - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 13:51:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] POPSCURANTISM On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Isn't he named after (scratches head; can't remember) either Louis > Armstrong ("Satchmo") or Satchel Paige? If I recall correctly, both Satchel and Bucky are named after players on the same sports team, but I don't know which one or who. a - -- to raise your intake of aaron, consider -- - -- fiction on demand -- free fast figments -- - -- read/request @ www.bantha.org/~trap/ltd -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 11:57:13 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] POPSCURANTISM At 01:51 PM 10/6/01 -0400, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >> Isn't he named after (scratches head; can't remember) either Louis >> Armstrong ("Satchmo") or Satchel Paige? > >If I recall correctly, both Satchel and Bucky are named after players on >the same sports team, but I don't know which one or who. That would be Paige and Dent, respectively, who I know were baseball players, but that's about it. S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:42:49 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Web Etiquette for Ari In a message dated 10/6/01 10:48:22 AM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: << Yep, it's perfectly innocent when a White House spokesperson feels the need to make comments implying that the First Amendment is no longer operative, if only in his mind, and that in response to a (fully justifiable imho) remark by a TV show host. >> Some people on this list may actually be informed, so I'll try to make this quick: White House spokesperson Ari Fleischer was asked about comments by Congressman John Cooksey of Louisiana and talk show host Bill Maher. (Maher's statement was a reference to a cowardly American military. Cooksey made a remark about people wearing diapers on their heads.) This was Fleischer's response: "I'm aware of the press reports about what he [Maher] said. I have not seen the actual transcript of the show itself, but assuming the press reports are right, it's a terrible thing to say and it's unfortunate. And that's why there was an earlier question about bhas the President said anything to people in his own party?' The reminder is to all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do, and that this is not a time for remarks like that. It never is." So Fleischer was referring to the comments of both Cooksey and Maher. In general, adults would consider this to be no big deal. The website AintItCool, though, was looking to make some media noise. They played around with the quote and tried to build a campaign to save Maher's talk-show, "Politically Incorrect," from being banned by the government. To their credit, the site later apologized for being wrong in their hyped-up distortion of Fleischer's remarks. By then, however, plenty of morons who can't distinguish between national events and big-budget movies had already posted the scandalous Fleisher quote on many Internet lists. It certainly didn't take long for some panicking idiot to post the statement here. Now we're even being told that Fleisher's remark has become "stricken from the official transcripts." I guess that's how this half-hoax will become an urban legend. Fortunately, the AintItCool archives keep the story straight. There's also a "Nightline" transcript where Ted Koppel explains the distortion. He didn't know about the AintItCool hype, though. And, yes, pop collectors pay outrageous amounts for the September '97 issue of "High Society" with a clever "InterBabe Concern" headline. Or maybe it's for the nude pics of Gillian Anderson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:56:33 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Web Etiquette for Ari On Saturday, October 6, 2001, at 01:42 PM, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >Maher's statement was a reference to a cowardly American military. Saying that firing off some cruse missiles is cowardly is a criticism of Bill Clinton, not the American military. However, Fleisher should phrase things more carefully, else he might accidentally blurt out what he is actually thinking. - - Steve __________ Which wild child daughter of a politico was smoking pot at an L.A. party? The hard-partying lass puffed right under the nose of the minders who try to keep her out of trouble. Answer: Jenna Bush - New York Post, 7/25/01 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 14:29:35 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] POPSCURANTISM Aaron Mandel wrote: > > On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > Isn't he named after (scratches head; can't remember) either Louis > > Armstrong ("Satchmo") or Satchel Paige? > > If I recall correctly, both Satchel and Bucky are named after players on > the same sports team, but I don't know which one or who. Satchel is named after Satchel Paige and Bucky after Buck O' Neill. Page and O'Neill were teammates on the Kansas City Monarchs in the Negro Leagues. I never realized that Rob Wilco's name was related to the band Wilco. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:33:51 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] porn, dear diary (ns) And, yes, pop collectors pay outrageous amounts for the September '97 issue of "High Society" with a clever "InterBabe Concern" headline. >>>>>>>>>>> Wow, really!! Or are you jerking our chain. I'm so damn gullible. If you really did, I hope you sent a copy to Scott. Ok, so I was out for a walk today because I needed to buy olive oil, a shirt, a tie, and shoes. Didn't get the shoes. Found a shirt. Found a tie. Found some really neat looking olive oil called "EVO" that comes in a great bottle, so I splurged. Felt guilty about the splurge. A few minutes later I happened to stop into the Salvation Army that I never go to anymore and took a peek at the CD rack. Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap...Guadalcanal Diary's "2x4" in perfect condition for $1.50. I'm not an expert on the band. Isn't this the one that goes for big bucks on eBay? It's awfully good. It made me feel less guilty about buying expensive olive oil, so I hope I'm thinking of the right one. Oh well, even if it's only worth $1.50, it's pretty great. Did anyone happen to catch the Clinic on WFMU last night? I'm assuming that the show was archived, but I won't get to check until next week. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 17:45:24 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: 12th grade tunage In a message dated 10/6/01 4:17:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sleeveless@citynet.net writes: > (but you still haven't explained why you have a hackeysack collection...he-he) I have one hackeysack, which someone gave me when they moved, and I took it for the cats to play with. They don't like it, so it got stuck in a box of other cat toys somewhere. > I see you being more like Donna on "That '70s Show." (favorite Donna quote of the season: "I broke a nail > on a Styx album") Never watched it, but that quote doesn't sound like me. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:58:24 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: 12th grade tunage In a message dated 01-10-06 00:49:08 EDT, Vivebonpop@aol.com writes: > Well, I thought it would be interesting. The child is the father of the man, > > as we all got told in 12th grade English class, and I believe our essences > never really change...we just go through life experiences that either harden > > us, or make us grow. Also, it's fun to shake your head and go, WHY did I > like THEM so much? (whoever "them" is...not referring to Van Morrison's '60s > > thing) I am curious to know what different listers were into in h.s. Steely Dan, The Jefferson Starship, Blondie, The Cars, Zappa, Styx, The Rochies. A little of everything :-). Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:30:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Web Etiquette for Ari On Sat, 6 Oct 2001 JRT456@aol.com wrote in midrange dudgeon: > "I'm aware of the press reports about what he [Maher] said. I have not seen > the actual transcript of the show itself, but assuming the press reports are > right, it's a terrible thing to say and it's unfortunate. And that's why > there was an earlier question about bhas the President said anything to > people in his own party?' The reminder is to all Americans that they need to > watch what they say, watch what they do, and that this is not a time for > remarks like that. It never is." > > So Fleischer was referring to the comments of both Cooksey and Maher. In > general, adults would consider this to be no big deal. [...] > on many Internet lists. It certainly didn't take long for some panicking > idiot to post the statement here. Now we're even being told that Fleisher's > remark has become "stricken from the official transcripts." If it's no big deal, why was it omitted from the transcripts? I think you misjudge the degree of "panic" here. The remark's significance lies in its context, along w/those of other commentators and govt. officials, of a post-9/11 environment in which some people seem to feel that civil liberties may need to be suspended. If Fleischer had made the same remark on September 6, probably nobody'd give a damn - but then, that remark wouldn't have the same, larger social context. I don't think some secret government cabal is backstaging a coup. If I did, I'd probably be wildly speculating that the whole thing was a Black Ops job from the start. I'm not, however, insane. But I do think it's better to point out these things, to note their potential for harm - since it is the case that some feel civil liberties need to be curtailed in order to fight terrorism. I shouldn't have to point out that making our society more like that of the Taliban hardly constitutes progress in the "war" against terrorism. > And, yes, pop collectors pay outrageous amounts for the September '97 issue > of "High Society" with a clever "InterBabe Concern" headline. Or maybe it's > for the nude pics of Gillian Anderson. Well see? There ya go... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, animal who panicking J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life ahead of you, ::dancing the night away to celebrate... ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:43:14 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: is Jenna kind? In a message dated 10/6/01 5:06:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, steveschiavo@mac.com writes: > The hard-partying lass puffed right under the nose of the minders > Did the band ask her to come on stage and share? he-he M ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 01:11:10 -0500 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] The Polyphonic Spree I know that everybody has been waiting for Dallas faves The Polyphonic Spree to release an album, and they have. There are some mp3s at the below address, and a link for ordering if you're so inclined. http://www.thepolyphonicspree.com/sounds/index.html - - Steve __________ A U.S. anti-missile weapon was able to destroy a test warhead in space on July 14 partly because a beacon on the target signaled its location during much of the flight, defense officials said on Friday. - Reuters, 07/27/01 ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #257 *******************************