From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #249 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, September 29 2001 Volume 01 : Number 249 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns [jenny grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:58:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Michael Mitton wrote: > > > > I can tell you that over these years, in supermarkets, there were > > nearly 570,000 2-Liter bottles of Coke II sold, with about 95% of it > > being sold in Chicago. By contrast, there were more than 13 million 2 > > Liters of Cherry Coke sold. Coke and Diet Coke are both an order of > > magnitude higher than Cherry Coke. > > So Coke II is far more popular in Chicago than Cherry Coke is > nationwide? Interesting. You're the math guy - but still, I'm confused. I get that 95% of 570,000 equals the amount of Coke II sold in Chicago. But unless you know the distribution of the sales of Cherry Coke (i.e., maybe 95% of *it* sold in Chicago), I'm unclear how you can make that statement - since more than 513,000 Cherry Cokes might have sold in Chicago. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting: maybe I missed numbers re total soda sales in Chicago and total soda sales in the US, and 513,000/totalChicago is greater than 13,000,000/totalUS. God, can you tell I have student papers that I'm avoiding grading? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:06:07 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns >f) An exception to the non-diet soda rule is Goya's extra-strong ginger >ale. Blenheim is also good and super-fiery. I don't know where it's from, or whether it's pronounced the way it's spelled or as if it were the English stately home of the same name (accent on first syllable, silent aitch, schwa in the second syllable)--the only place I've ever seen it is at the late lamented Beanbender's, an improv music venue in Berkeley. >i) Why isn't apple-flavored soda popular? Apple flavoring takes >carbonation very well. What's wrong with you people? (And don't try to >tell me apple cider's the same thing.) Jones makes a green apple flavour that's quite nice. The blue soda that I've had (I think it was called, rather generically, Blue Pop) was more menthol-y than creme-y. That was thirty years ago in Texas, though. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:13:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Or maybe I'm misinterpreting: maybe I missed numbers re total soda > sales in Chicago and total soda sales in the US, and > 513,000/totalChicago is greater than 13,000,000/totalUS. I was just going by population. There's about one 2-liter of Coke II sold in Chicago per 6 citizens, which is about triple the per-capita sales of Cherry Coke nationwide. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:29:01 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns At 04:49 PM 9/28/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Some things I know about soft drinks: Followed by some other things I know. Honestly, I had no idea I was such a wealth of useless information about soft drinks, particularly since I only drink like one of 'em a week. I think maybe it's because my dad worked his way through college as a foreman at the Dr Pepper plant in San Angelo and he imparted much of what he'd learned to me. For example, turns out orange soda is (or was, anyway) the most highly carbonated of all the popular flavors. > >a) Big Red was available here in Milwaukee some years back, disappeared, >and then has recently returned, along with its diet counterpart. Stewart's >description of the flavor seems accurate. I like a good diet soda (Fresca's always been a favorite), but the very idea of diet Big Red sounds distinctly oogy. > >b) Mountain Dew Code Red doesn't taste like Mountain Dew. It tastes like a >very sweet, somewhat citrus-y cherry cola w/less of that cola bite. I >don't really like it - but I generally don't drink or like non-diet sodas >anyway, so I'm not the one to ask. It doesn't have the weird sort of mouthfeel that regular Mountain Dew has. Mountain Dew has always felt...I don't know...*thicker* somehow than, say, a Coke. I think it's because it has both concentrated orange juice and, erm, "brominated vegetable oil". Who knew? I had a Code Red when they came out a couple months ago. I didn't like it at all. On the positive side, it doesn't look like urine. (Random Dew anecdote: I once called the 1-800 number in the middle of a finals week frenzy, when I'd been up for over 24 hours and had guzzled about a 12-pack worth of the stuff for its massive caffeine load (you couldn't get Jolt in Portales), just to ask if there was a spike in Mountain Dew sales in December and May, due to finals. The woman on the phone said that there wasn't, but that there *was* a spike in people calling to ask that question. I assume that like me, some people will do anything to avoid writing papers. Or in Jeff's case, grading them.) (Random Dew website with the really cool old hillbilly logos, which they were still using in some places when I was a little kid: www.dewcollector.com) >d) Whoever it is that makes that purported chocolate soda is deeply fucked >up. Canfield. The only version I've ever seen is the diet one. I shudder to think. >e) Cherry-flavored 7-Up is an abomination. On the other hand, that Cherry Lime Slice you see in fountains isn't bad. All other flavors of Slice suck. > >f) An exception to the non-diet soda rule is Goya's extra-strong ginger >ale. Some people think it's like drinking battery acid (my sister, for >one), but Rose and I are addicts. (Reed's is pretty good, too - we see it >at natural foods -type places.) This leads to the whole Ting discussion if >need be. Oh, what the hell. What's Ting? Blue Sky, my local brand (which I think it pretty close to nationwide now), does a Jamaican ginger ale that's plenty hot. Love it. I also like Vernors, an acquired taste due to the fact that it's aged in charred oak barrels for several years before bottling, like Scotch. >g) That malt-flavored Goya beverage: I can't decide whether it's good or >the sort of thing that obnoxious idiot on MTV would drink for a dare. Haven't had the malt, but I've pondered that about the tamarind-flavor Mexican soft drinks many times. It's an oddly earthy taste, but occasionally it's what you want. >i) Why isn't apple-flavored soda popular? Apple flavoring takes >carbonation very well. What's wrong with you people? (And don't try to >tell me apple cider's the same thing.) Regionality, my friend. You can buy apple soda pretty much anywhere in New Mexico that carries Jarritos or other Mexican brands of soda. It's really quite good, and I don't know why it's not more popular in the US. >j) Okay, I give up: what does Moxie taste like? (There are any number of >jokes available here, depending upon whether anyone's known "Moxie" as >pet, human, etc. Please refrain from making them. Thank you.) Have you ever tasted Angustora bitters? Imagine a soft drink made out of them and you have Moxie. (Seriously: the main flavoring in Moxie is extract of gentian, which is the same main ingredient of Angustora bitters.) Not very sweet at all, *incredibly* bitter. It vaguely resembles a root beer otherwise. Approach with caution. On the other hand, Dr. Brown's Cel-Ray Tonic, which is, you guessed it, a celery-flavored soft drink, is absolutely delicious. S NP: "BABBACOMBE" LEE -- Fairport Convention ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:02:55 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns Stewart Mason wrote: > > Stewart, who still misses living in central Texas, the only place where you > can buy Delaware Punch Is there anywhere besides TX that you can buy those pink sugar peanut patty things? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:06:21 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a nation of old farts mourns the soft drinks of its youth John Swartzentruber wrote: > > Along with 50/50, which is what I sorely miss. Half > lemon/lime and half grapefruit. And don't go arguing fractions with me. We can still get 50/50 here in small bottles, usually in with the mixers. It goes great with gin. However, I have never seen Rondo anywhere but TX. Do they still make that? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:08:14 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns Steve Holtebeck wrote: > > Has anyone tried Mountain Dew Code Red? I've never been able to drink > the regular Dew, because it gives me the feeling of drinking antifreeze, > but maybe red antifreeze tastes better than green antifreeze? It does taste a bit different. Still very sweet, though. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > i) Why isn't apple-flavored soda popular? Apple flavoring takes > carbonation very well. What's wrong with you people? (And don't try to > tell me apple cider's the same thing.) There was once a soda called Aspen that was apple-flavored. It was from Pepsi. My sodas of choice: Henry Weinhard's Root Beer, Coke Classic. J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:16:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, jenny grover wrote: > Is there anywhere besides TX that you can buy those pink sugar peanut > patty things? If you're referring to "circus peanuts," yes (although I'd call them sorta orangey - maybe a regional thing) - although there have been calls to ban them under various articles of the Geneva Convention. Alternatively, they make excellent packing material, so long as whatever you're packing is encased in heavy-gauge plastic, otherwise the peanuts' oil content will leach through the plastic and start dissolving what you've packed. Seriously: Deet mosquito repellent? When Rose was an undergraduate, she took some course on "native plant communities" or some such, and they went on a field trip, covered themselves w/Deet, and were required to take notes, using those Bic pens w/the white plastic coverings. The Deet started dissolving the plastic. Scary stuff. Maple Nut Goodies! (I knew we'd get into a candy discussion - and I'm not even a candy freak) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Drive ten thousand miles across America and you will know more about ::the country than all the institutes of sociology and political science ::put together. __Jean Baudrillard__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:39:34 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:49:13 -0500 (CDT), Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >i) Why isn't apple-flavored soda popular? Apple flavoring takes >carbonation very well. What's wrong with you people? (And don't try to >tell me apple cider's the same thing.) I can't say why it wasn't popular but didn't Slice have an apple flavored variety? I thought it was quite good, somewhat like a slightly hard apple cider. Not as good, of course, but still good. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:20:15 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns At 04:49 PM 01-09-28 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >i) Why isn't apple-flavored soda popular? Apple flavoring takes >carbonation very well. What's wrong with you people? (And don't try to >tell me apple cider's the same thing.) While in Atlanta last year one of the places I went was the World Of Coke. They have a self-paced tour/museum there and near the end just before you get to the Coke gift shop they have a tasting room where you can drink all the free Coke products you want. Half is North American and half is the rest of the world. There is at least one apple flavored pop there - a big hit in South America, I think. There are also lots of other more exotic flavors from Africa and Asia. Lychee flavor is quite perfumey, and when mixed with several other flavors and followed by a slice of Pizza produces the strangest tasting gas I've ever experienced. Every burp for the next hour was quite a novel treat. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:47:55 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns At Friday 9/28/2001 04:29 PM -0600, Stewart Mason wrote: >On the other hand, Dr. Brown's Cel-Ray Tonic, which is, you guessed it, a >celery-flavored soft drink, is absolutely delicious. Thanks, Stewart, for making me lose my dinner. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:05:46 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns And let's not forget parsley flavored soda which, according to Esme Squalor, is In In In!! - --dana np: a sort of amazing Japanes compilation CD called Japan nite Sound Sampler 2001. "Not for Sale" it says, so buy it wherever CD's aren't sold near you. The song "Shikai No Haba" by Bleach is possibly the most alarming song I've heard in a while. On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:47:55 -0600 Roger Winston writes: >At Friday 9/28/2001 04:29 PM -0600, Stewart Mason wrote: > >>On the other hand, Dr. Brown's Cel-Ray Tonic, which is, you guessed >it, a >>celery-flavored soft drink, is absolutely delicious. > >Thanks, Stewart, for making me lose my dinner. > >Later. --Rog > >-- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 20:09:14 -0700 From: dc Subject: [loud-fans] she's like a heroine, Toomey don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but the Misra records site (www.misrarecords.com) is announcing the release of a new two-disc set from Jenny Toomey. i believe it's her first post-Tsunami release, and includes sessions recorded in Chicago and Nashville. amongst the players are Tsunami alum Trip Grey and Ida/Liquorice guitarist Dan Littleton, and various folk on pedal steel and violin (!). true acolytes, amongst whom i count myself, will no doubt want to kneel at the alter of the new www.jennytoomey.com... get thee to a hair-cuttery, dc vicinity of seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 23:23:10 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, jenny grover wrote: > > > Is there anywhere besides TX that you can buy those pink sugar peanut > > patty things? > > If you're referring to "circus peanuts," yes (although I'd call them sorta > orangey - maybe a regional thing) - although there have been calls to ban > them under various articles of the Geneva Convention. No, not at all what I was referring to! These are round confections about the size of a Goo-Goo cluster, comprised of pink-colored, sort of crumbly sugar candy enveloping mostly-raw peanuts, called peanut patties, but I can't remember the brand name. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 22:30:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > >f) An exception to the non-diet soda rule is Goya's extra-strong ginger > >ale. Some people think it's like drinking battery acid (my sister, for > >one), but Rose and I are addicts. (Reed's is pretty good, too - we see it > >at natural foods -type places.) This leads to the whole Ting discussion if > >need be. > > Oh, what the hell. What's Ting? If I recall correctly, it's a very popular Jamaican drink - and now I can't recall exactly what it tastes like (ginger? cola?)... I guess I'll just have to go out and buy some. > Blue Sky, my local brand (which I think it pretty close to nationwide now), > does a Jamaican ginger ale that's plenty hot. Love it. I also like > Vernors, an acquired taste due to the fact that it's aged in charred oak > barrels for several years before bottling, like Scotch. Yeah, Vernors is pretty good - has that sort of burn that some people can't stand - but if I recall, it doesn't have that ginger sting of yr Jamaican-style ginger ales. I've seen the Blue Sky stuff around - not sure if I've tried it. > >i) Why isn't apple-flavored soda popular? Apple flavoring takes > >carbonation very well. What's wrong with you people? (And don't try to > >tell me apple cider's the same thing.) > > Regionality, my friend. You can buy apple soda pretty much anywhere in New > Mexico that carries Jarritos or other Mexican brands of soda. It's really > quite good, and I don't know why it's not more popular in the US. Ah yes, Jarritos. There's a large enough Mexican-American population pretty close to us that even our local mega-mart has an extensive Jarritos selecdtion (although I think for the more exotic flavors, you need to go to Mercado El Rey, which you should do anyway - wonderful place, w/all these cool Mexican candies etc. - including something called Carino Bimbo or something very like, which immediately made me laugh hysterically and e-mail Paula. Don't worry - she gave me what for.) > On the other hand, Dr. Brown's Cel-Ray Tonic, which is, you guessed it, a > celery-flavored soft drink, is absolutely delicious. I've never gotten up the nerve to try this - just because, even though I like celery, esp. as an ingredient, I can't quite imagine a soda made from it. Oh - the Jarritos coconut soda is marvelous. But all this talk of ginger is making me want to hit Maharaja and have some of their incredible ginger nan: they don't mess around. They say ginger, they mean ginger. Yow! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ np: Fire in the Boathouse [s/t] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 23:36:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] she's like a heroine, Toomey On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, dc wrote: > don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but the Misra records site > (www.misrarecords.com) is announcing the release of a new two-disc set > from Jenny Toomey. I'm still not sure how I feel about double-CD albums that could have fit on one CD. (Antidote is about 72 minutes long.) Try as I might to think of it as analogous to a two-sided record (of which I own several), all that wasted space remains at the fore in my mind. On the other hand, I guess it might be the opposite -- that Jenny Toomey wants us to consider them two short albums, either of which could be listened to without the other. I guess that would be okay. I've heard most of Antidote and I like it okay, certainly better than I ever liked Tsunami, but that's not saying much. At any given moment of listening, I enjoyed it, but the hooks she writes just do not stick in my head. It's very frustrating. Also, the packaging makes it look even more like a public service announcement than the last Misra disc I saw (Destroyer's _Streethawk_). aaron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:10:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] she's like a heroine, Toomey On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Aaron Mandel wrote: > Also, the packaging makes it look even more like a public service > announcement with guitar? inevitably, - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::pushing the pencil not the envelope:: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 00:12:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] she's like a heroine, Toomey On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Aaron Mandel wrote: > I'm still not sure how I feel about double-CD albums that could have fit > on one CD. (Antidote is about 72 minutes long.) Try as I might to think of > it as analogous to a two-sided record (of which I own several), all that > wasted space remains at the fore in my mind. > > On the other hand, I guess it might be the opposite -- that Jenny Toomey > wants us to consider them two short albums, either of which could be > listened to without the other. I guess that would be okay. I think it depends whether it's priced as a single or a double: if as a single, fine - in fact, probably better: 72 minutes is almost invariably too long for one artist's music at a stretch (yes, there are exceptions...but most albums that long would be vastly improved by subtraction or splitting). If it's two 36-minute discs and costs what a double-CD normally costs, it seems pointless & a bit of a rip-off (also since the length of the music, and the pressing of the discs, isn't where most the costs arise anyway). I never got into Tsunami either... - -j ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 02:32:53 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 'ello. > Just wanted to say hi. I'm back on the list after about a year off. Howdy, Max! How's your band doing? - Dan ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #249 *******************************