From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #248 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, September 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 248 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns ["Pete O." ] Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns ["O Geier" ] Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns [steve ] [loud-fans] Swag followup ["Kunkel, Mark" ] Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns [Dana L Paoli ] [none] ["Douglas Stanley" ] Re: [loud-fans] Boring News [Vivebonpop@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] Re: [loud-fans] Boring News [Vivebonpop@aol.com] [loud-fans] Re: air marshals to the rescue [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] query for film buffs (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Boring News [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns [Stewart Mason Subject: RE: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns - --- Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com wrote: > > West-coasters, I'll bet, are drinking other things? Like what, O Great > > Oracle of Beverage Consumption? > > As a west-coaster, my best guess is that OR and WA residents lean toward > beverages such as double latte, triple grande cappuccino, double-decaf > blended > caramel machiatto, etc. while CA residents are drinking expensive bottled > water > and iced versions of the coffee drinks the northwesterners prefer. > > Either that or beer - microbeers are quite popular in Portland. > > Bottoms Up! Somebody's drinkin' that Zima crap. It must be them westerners. Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:47:07 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns What I miss most of all, was the 16 oz. NON-returnable Pepsi. It was a short, fattish bottle, with the Pepsi logo in relief on the outside. But since I don't drink soda, or pop (seltzer excluded), it's a moot point. I don't see RC anymore, what gives?? np - nothing, my boss wants complete silence in the office!!!! 'What does it mean, Number 6?' 'It means what it is' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:19:50 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns <> Avoid using words like 'buying' or 'drinking'; the word to use is 'consuming'. It has the negative connotation that should shame us into cutting back. I buy dog food, water and film at Costco, but very little else, unless I'm entertaining. I like to tell people 'you're not saving money, you're just consuming more'. Take a look at the folks huddled around the food sample giveaways at Costco....now that's motivation to ride your bike to work. 'What does it mean, Number 6?' 'It means what it is' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:47:59 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Friday, September 28, 2001, at 07:47 AM, O Geier wrote: > I don't see RC anymore, what gives?? They don't sell it anywhere you can't get a Moon Pie to go with. - - Steve __________ Despite appearing to agonize up to the at the last minute about federal funding for stem cell research, President Bush actually reached his decision a month ago, at the time Newsweek first reported that the compromise he finally announced was already being floated by his strategist Karl Rove. - Yahoo News Wire 08/14/01 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:31:07 -0500 From: "Kunkel, Mark" Subject: [loud-fans] Swag followup Someone wrote: >What is the name of the group containing members of Cheap Trick and Wilco, >and what releases do they have? Thanks. I found the following article about Swag, in which Tom Petersson says that he really isn't a member of Swag, but just played on some tracks. See here, if interested: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1444501/20010614/story.jhtml?paid=1051 _____________________________________________________ Mark D. Kunkel Legislative Attorney Legislative Reference Bureau (608) 266-0131 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:44:30 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns > > I don't see RC anymore, what gives?? > > > They don't sell it anywhere you can't get a Moon Pie to go with. >>>>>>>>>> I'm under the impression that RC's last chance at nationwide resurgence was their introduction of RC Draft some years ago, which was actually very good: sweetened with sugar and with a pretty intense vanilla bouquet. It seems to have failed miserably in my neck of the woods. Their website indicates that it failed because people confused it with beer, and because it was kind of expensive. Sad, as it was one of the better tasting colas to come down the pike. Anyone ever see the Nancy Sinatra special, sponsored by RC: "It's a mad, mad, mad Cola!!"? - --dana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 9:52:27 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns Dana L Paoli on 2001/09/28 Fri AM 11:44:30 MDT wrote: > Anyone ever see the Nancy Sinatra special, sponsored by RC: "It's a mad, > mad, mad Cola!!"? No. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:02:45 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns > Anyone ever see the Nancy Sinatra special, sponsored by RC: "It's a mad, > mad, mad Cola!!"? No. Later. --Rog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well then: http://www.thebigpicturedvd.com/cgi-bin/master/viewer.cgi/Nancy_Sinatra_M ovin_With_Nancy Let's all go over to Roger's house to watch it!! His screen is so very big!!! Or so I have heard!! The special is pretty great (though the commercials are better than the actual program). - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:59:27 -0400 From: "Max Germer" Subject: [loud-fans] 'ello. Just wanted to say hi. I'm back on the list after about a year off. Max ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:08:16 -0700 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [none] > West-coasters, I'll bet, are drinking other things? Like what, O Great > Oracle of Beverage Consumption? To paraphrase Adam Carolla, "We're too F-ed up on heroin to find our mouths". Once again, speaking for myself... Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:16:17 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Boring News In a message dated 9/28/01 1:59:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AWeiss4338@aol.com writes: > I'm sure your tired of hearing about my book, but allow me a few more words > about it. I finished it tonight, so my mom will edit what's left, the last > two chapters of it, and then it's off to IUniverse with it. Wish me luck. > Andrea > > > > Best of luck to you on that. I know that when you finally finish a manuscript, it's like you just gave birth to child. Not only are you drained, but you have this little creation that you want to guard with your life from the wolves (or critics, as their currently called). Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:30:04 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns Jeff: enormousization (yeah, I know it's not a word) <><><><><><><> Not to be confused with eNormatization, which is the the enforced statistical clustering of demographic groups facilitated via the internet. eGad, - --D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:25:18 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Boring News In a message dated 9/28/01 12:17:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Vivebonpop@aol.com writes: > or critics, as their currently called Uh, make that "they're." I've had manuscripts turned down because they say there are problems with grammer and spelling. I don't know why. M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:34:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Re: air marshals to the rescue On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who supports gun control and therefore the > > presence of discreet, *trained*, armed personnel aboard aircraft, so the > > guns and weapons of fanatics might be controlled. Doesn't the pilot have > > enough to do flying the plane? > > The airline pilots were actually asking to be deputized as air marshals, > which implies some sort of training, and since most of them have > military experience, they probably also have firearms experience. Given > the astronomical odds against terrorist activity, this seems to be at > least as feasible as having federal marshals on every flight. It's probably true that pilots are as potentially qualified (if not more so) to be air marshals as anyone else - but I think there are two good reasons why the air marshal program should not be centered around them: 1) As I said, they already have another job; 2) Everyone on the plane - including potential hijackers - knows who the pilot is. A marshal seated anonymously amongst the other passengers makes himself or herself invisible as a target to those hijackers in a way that can never be true of the pilot. Ooops, I guess this is a Spanish Inquisition: 3) If, as I think should happen, cockpits should be more secured against invasion by potential hijackers, the pilot's being armed, in the cockpit, wouldn't be a very good defense against hijackers in the passenger areas. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::playing around with the decentered self is all fun and games ::until somebody loses an I. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:46:23 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns Deus Bevrae (Michael Mitton) confirms: Yep. We're higher in water, tea, and sports drinks. <><><><><><><><><> I've heard that in the future, the latter, even more so than one's crucial choice of shoe, will be the deciding factor as to whether one is a winner or a loser. "Hey everybody, let's all move west of the San Amadeus fault and work on jumping as high as we possibly can in unison, while jacked up on SuperHyperGatorade (now enhanced with 100,000% of the USRDA of raw ephidrine, lithium salts, anaerobic steroids, and now with Kalcium! (tm) so, like, women can drink it, too). What a great way to express our patriotic unity!" longing for the good old days of "coffee, tea or me?", - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:56:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 Vivebonpop@aol.com wrote: > There has to be a correlation between the explosion of overweight people in And I really wish this would stop: when overweight people explode, it's even more messy than when thinner people do. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Let's quit talking about it and start watching it on TV:: __Susan Lowry__ np: Robyn Hitchcock _Balloon Man_... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:58:15 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] 'ello. At 11:59 AM 9/28/2001 -0400, Max Germer wrote: >Just wanted to say hi. I'm back on the list after about a year off. >Max Welcome back, Max! How'd that gig playing bass for Guns'N'Roses work out? MB http://www.savemonroe.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:38:04 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] query for film buffs (ns) I'm wondering if any of the festival goers have seen a film starring Richard Edson called "I am Josh Polonski's Brother"? If so, could you email me off list. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:16:18 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Boring News In a message dated 9/28/01 12:16:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Vivebonpop writes: > Best of luck to you on that. I know that when you finally finish a > manuscript, it's like you just gave birth to child. Not only are you > drained, but you have this little creation that you want to guard with your > life from the wolves (or critics, as their currently called). > > Thanks! Yeah, this definitely is my baby. I'm honestly wondering what the reaction to this book will be. See the scene in this book is against alternative rock (as in Limp Bizkut, Korn and hard 'modern' bands like that, also Matchbox 20, Third Eye Blind and bands like that, not, Scott, Aimee Mann, Liz Phair and so on), and I suspect that will cause a bit of a fuss. Probably will have a good laugh at some of the reviews too.:-). Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:35:07 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns O Geier wrote: > > What I miss most of all, was the 16 oz. NON-returnable Pepsi. It was a > short, fattish bottle, with the Pepsi logo in relief on the outside. But > since I don't drink soda, or pop (seltzer excluded), it's a moot point. > I don't see RC anymore, what gives?? They still sell RC around here. What I miss are normal, glass, returnable, reusable bottles. We have NO recycling here anymore (we used to and they quit doing it) and it just galls me to have to throw all that stuff away. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:37:50 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns O Geier wrote: > > Avoid using words like 'buying' or 'drinking'; the word to use is > 'consuming'. It has the negative connotation that should shame us into > cutting back. I buy dog food, water and film at Costco, but very little > else, unless I'm entertaining. So, you're consuming dog food?? EWWW!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:36:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, jenny grover wrote: > They still sell RC around here. My, we're carbonated-beverage mavens around here, aren't we. Anyway, I believe RC is most popular in the south. Anyone else want to chime in here? (Me, I've always found it too sweet - even though I find that true of almost all non- sugar-free sodas.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ np: Gordon Downie _Coke Machine Glow_ (really) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:43:09 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > "Hey everybody, let's all move west of the San Amadeus fault and work on jumping > as high as we possibly can in unison, while jacked up on SuperHyperGatorade (now > enhanced with 100,000% of the USRDA of raw ephidrine, lithium salts, anaerobic > steroids, and now with Kalcium! (tm) so, like, women can drink it, too). What a > great way to express our patriotic unity!" Yeah, but does it have soy? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:52:55 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns > Used to be, your 12oz can was standard. Then, > a 16oz bottle. Now, we're at at least 20oz, and Pepsi (I think) usually > comes in 24oz bottles. > > There has to be a correlation between the explosion of overweight people in the past decade or so, and the increased consumption of refined sugars/corn syrup. I agree with Dr. Atkins of Atkins diet fame (the diet I'm on, and am losing weight successfully with) that carbohydrates are America's fat problem, not fats (he states in his book, The New Diet Revolution). I quit eating sugar and bread and rice and pasta and voila! My clothes fit great again, and a chin disappeared. <><><><><><><><><> I read a fairly lightweight piece of muckraking a couple of months ago calle _Fast Food Nation_ whose author goes into detail between what he probably correctly perceives as the correlation between obesity and supersizing (a fast food promo trend whereby [and I'm sure most folks have noticed this, nonetheless it seems to merit specific mention] the fries and drink get bigger, while The Sandwich Remains The Same); to the extent that I feel it necessary to form an opinion on this, I'm inclined to agree there is some sort of causal relationship. An interesting detail in the book has a Coca Cola exec dreaming a future in which Coke is piped into homes like water is today. While the bill might be higher than my current utilities, the prospect of one day flushing my toilet with my selection of Coke products has a certain undeniable appeal. Two and a half questions: 1) Aren't fats complex carbohydrates? 2) I that the diet where all you can eat is meat? 2.5) If so, isn't that rather taxing on your kidneys? Now me, I love breads, cereals, etc, but also occasionally go for days on nothing but fruit juice and coffee, if I'm not hungry. I've remained the same weight and height for most of my adult life, but for some reason I keep losing depth. choke me in the shallow, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:53:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Michael Mitton wrote: > > I can tell you that over these years, in supermarkets, there were > nearly 570,000 2-Liter bottles of Coke II sold, with about 95% of it > being sold in Chicago. By contrast, there were more than 13 million 2 > Liters of Cherry Coke sold. Coke and Diet Coke are both an order of > magnitude higher than Cherry Coke. So Coke II is far more popular in Chicago than Cherry Coke is nationwide? Interesting. If you've got the numbers at your fingertips, I'm really curious whether there's any interesting quirks when you look at the ratio of 2 liters sold to 12-oz. cans sold by product. Is root beer only bought by people who drink alone? a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:17:34 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > Two and a half questions: > > 1) Aren't fats complex carbohydrates? No, they're different. However, carbohydrates can be converted (and stored as) fat by the digestive system. > 2) I that the diet where all you can eat is meat? Are you that diet? Well, if you say so. I imagine only you know for sure. - -- d. - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:01:25 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns At 08:47 AM 9/28/01 -0500, steve wrote: >On Friday, September 28, 2001, at 07:47 AM, O Geier wrote: > >> I don't see RC anymore, what gives?? > > >They don't sell it anywhere you can't get a Moon Pie to go with. At least 'round these parts, RC (along with the Nehi line and Big Red, a regional oddity I can't even begin to explain except to say that it tastes like carbonated bubblegum) is around, but only at places like Allsup's, New Mexico's low-end convenience store chain. Their hook is that they're cheaper than Coke and Pepsi products. I think the 16-ounce bottle is marked 69 cents. Stewart, who still misses living in central Texas, the only place where you can buy Delaware Punch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:44:58 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns the soft drinks of its youth On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:01:25 -0600, Stewart Mason wrote: >At least 'round these parts, RC (along with the Nehi line and Big Red, a >regional oddity I can't even begin to explain except to say that it tastes >like carbonated bubblegum) Isn't Big Red a brand of red pop? I mean if orange can be a color and a flavor, why can't red? If it is the Big Red I remember, it was easily available in western PA in my youth. Along with 50/50, which is what I sorely miss. Half lemon/lime and half grapefruit. And don't go arguing fractions with me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:47:34 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns In a message dated 9/28/01 12:57:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: > > There has to be a correlation between the explosion of overweight people > in > > And I really wish this would stop: when overweight people explode, it's > even more messy than when thinner people do. > > --Jeff > "Wafer thin mint, sir?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:00:15 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns At 11:56 AM 9/28/2001 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >And I really wish this would stop: when overweight people explode, it's >even more messy than when thinner people do. Sizist. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:03:54 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns the soft drinks of its youth At 03:44 PM 9/28/01 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote: >On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:01:25 -0600, Stewart Mason wrote: > >>At least 'round these parts, RC (along with the Nehi line and Big Red, a >>regional oddity I can't even begin to explain except to say that it tastes >>like carbonated bubblegum) > >Isn't Big Red a brand of red pop? I mean if orange can be a color and a >flavor, why can't red? Well, sorta. (Lord, the fine points I debate.) The traditional red pop is a cream soda. Cream soda is *pretty* close to what Big Red tastes like, but not quite. About the closest parallel I can come up with is that Big Red is to red cream soda as Dr Pepper is to cola: pretty close, but its own weird little mutation. Cream sodas also come in Windex blue in some parts of the country, and a sort of light tan in others. >If it is the Big Red I remember, it was easily available in western PA >in my youth. I think it's also popular in parts of the Midwest, but I don't think it's ever been available nationwide. However, it's certainly less regional than Moxie, which I've never seen outside of New England and which is the most freakish-tasting soft drink I've ever had. Stewart NP: APOLLO (ATMOSPHERES AND SOUNDTRACKS) -- Brian Eno, Roger Eno, Daniel Lanois ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:03:12 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns jenny grover wrote: > > I don't see RC anymore, what gives?? > They still sell RC around here. Val's Burgers, just across the street from me, has RC, Diet Rite and Nehi as their only fountain drinks. I've never seen it anywhere else around here, and suspect they special order it from some state in the Southeastern soft drink belt. John Swartzentruber: > Isn't Big Red a brand of red pop? I mean if orange can be a color > and a flavor, why can't red? Has anyone tried Mountain Dew Code Red? I've never been able to drink the regular Dew, because it gives me the feeling of drinking antifreeze, but maybe red antifreeze tastes better than green antifreeze? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:13:49 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns >> I don't see RC anymore, what gives?? > > >They don't sell it anywhere you can't get a Moon Pie to go with. Links you may find edifying: http://www.glavergne.com/index2.htm http://www.moonpie.com/ Big Red shows up around here, oddly enough. And Rog's TV is bigger than most New York apartments, Andy Doubters regard The Partridge Family, an ABC-TV situation comedy about a musical family that aired from 1970 to 1974 and spawned pop songs such as the big-selling "I Think I Love You," as nothing more than a disposable piece of boob-tube flotsam. But that's just one of the delusions under which they suffer. These poor unfortunates also fail to realize that the series' characters--principally, mother Shirley Partridge (Shirley Jones) and children Keith (Cassidy, Jones's stepson), Laurie (Dey), Danny (Danny Bonaduce), Chris (alternately portrayed by two actors, Jeremy Gelbwaks and Brian Forster) and Tracy (Suzanne Crough)--are actually temporal representations of gods who rule every aspect of our lives. If only the unenlightened would open their eyes, they'd be able to experience the pure bliss that bathes Temple devotees from birth until death. And beyond: According to [Partridge Family] Templers, all of us will eventually ascend to Albuquerque (a destination foretold in the Partridge Family song "Point Me in the Direction of Albuquerque"), which they describe as a heavenly place that looks a whole lot like a giant Casa Bonita. - --from http://www.westword.com/issues/1995-01-18/feature.html ; see also www.partridgefamilytemple.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:10:13 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns In a message dated 9/28/01 2:47:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com writes: > Two and a half questions: > > 1) Aren't fats complex carbohydrates? > > 2) I that the diet where all you can eat is meat? > > 2.5) If so, isn't that rather taxing on your kidneys? > > No, carbs are different from fats. Carbs convert to sugar in the body which easily convert to fat. Carbs (and proteins) have I believe 4 calories a gram and fats 9. This diet relies on the other two elements of the big three in food makeup...proteins and fats. You'd have to eat meat to do this diet. Atkins writes that this diet is only unsuitable for those "who wish to--or must remain vegetarians." As for question 2.5 here is what Dr. Atkins writes in New Diet Revolution: "There are probably millions of people who believe this untruth simply because it has been so often repeated that even intelligent health professionals assume it must have been reported somewhere. But the fact is it has not. There never has been a single case report, not even in a foreign language, describing even an isolated example of a protein-containing diet causing any form of kidney disorder. If you have ever heard this one, think of it! Someone just repeated to you a total fabrication with less chance of being true than the present veracity gold standard: 'But I didn't inhale.' The only remotely related phenomenon is the fact that with far-advanced kidney disease already established, it is difficult to handle protein. But protein has nothing to do with the cause of the kidney problem." This diet works on a metabolic process called ketosis. You're getting your energy from ketones...little fragments of carbon that are the fuels created by the burning of fat stores. When you go beneath forty grams of carbs a day, your body goes into this mode, no matter how much fat or protein you eat. Mark np Dar Williams "Out There Live" (almost as good as being there) "I think that it's very healthy for teenagers to be conspiracy minded and a little anxious. So I want to dedicate this to free speech radio everywhere...especially the kind that comes in really crackly into the suburban bedrooms of teenagers..." ("Are You Out There" intro) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:20:05 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns In a message dated 9/28/01 4:11:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zoom@speakeasy.org writes: > According to [Partridge Family] Templers, all of us will eventually ascend > to Albuquerque (a destination foretold in the Partridge Family song "Point > Me in the Direction of Albuquerque"), which they describe as a heavenly > place that looks a whole lot like a giant Casa Bonita. > > Yeah, that "that lonely little runaway, with teardrops in her eyes," is really all of us searching to fill that God void in our lives. Operator...give me Echo Valley 26809. - -Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:33:40 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns I's typo, then doug mean-spiritedly makes fun of defenseless little I: > 2) I that the diet where all you can eat is meat? Are you that diet? Well, if you say so. I imagine only you know for sure. <><><><><><><><><> I sorry. That was a typo; I left out the character which should have followed the capital "I", and which should, for clarity's sake, have been a comma. From here on out Dennis only to refer to himself in third person, and to leave all his verbs unconjugated. Simpler that way, Dennis to think. - --Me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:39:31 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The First what? Consti-who? >Good to see that the people running America stand steadfast in defending >its constitutional principles - such as White House Press Secretary Ari >Fleischer, who, in response to Bill Maher's comments that "lobbing cruise >missiles from 2000 miles away" was "cowardly," reassuringly noted that >"all Americans need to watch what they say, watch what they do, and this >is not a time for remarks like that." In addition to the link Jeffrey cites, Salon carries what could be an interesting article called "The Fatwa Against Bill Maher," about, I'm supposing, the whole pile-on. Sadly, it's a Salon Premium article and I'm not that premium. Slate also chimes in: http://slate.msn.com/code/Chatterbox/Chatterbox.asp?Show=9/27/2001&idMessage =8366 and notes that Maher's already done his own retraction, sort of: http://abc.go.com/primetime/politicallyincorrect/press_release.html Don't take me alive, Andy "Once again you managed to discover something that is just wrong." - --Ely Zero III on www.partridgefamilytemple.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:39:15 -0500 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] Re: The Fatwa Against Bill Maher On Friday, September 28, 2001, at 03:39 PM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > In addition to the link Jeffrey cites, Salon carries what could be an > interesting article called "The Fatwa Against Bill Maher," about, I'm > supposing, the whole pile-on. Sadly, it's a Salon Premium article and > I'm > not that premium. Salon lets you email from their site, so why not - The Fatwa against Bill Maher Politically correct TV executives and advertisers are rushing to censor the talk show host for exercising his right to free speech. - - - - - - - - - - - - - By Arianna Huffington Sept. 24, 2001 | Since Sept. 11, we've been told again and again that our failure to act in a certain way would be the moral equivalent of allowing the terrorists to win. As in: "If we don't get back to work, they win;" or "If we don't go ahead and play football this weekend, they win;" or "If this changes the way we think about Arab-Americans, they win." And, in a way, it's true -- few of us are going to be fighting the battle on the ground in Afghanistan, but there are ways in which we can all do our part. Ways that include resolutely defending values that define our country. But just as this new military battleground is going to be complicated and risky, so, too, is the one at home. And in the last few days, there is one front where it appears that our enemies might be winning: the First Amendment. To the extent that we give up our fundamental freedoms of expression and dissent, then, yes, "they" have clearly won. One of those battles is going on right now. It involves Bill Maher, who has been excoriated for what he said on "Politically Incorrect" last week. But excoriation -- a valuable form of free speech -- is not a problem. Censorship is. Aren't "they" winning when three ABC affiliates, including the Washington, D.C. station, cancel the show? Aren't "they" winning when networks cave in to rabble-rousing, self-promoting radio shock jocks like Dan Patrick from Houston who started this tempest in a teapot, and who midweek called the show to suggest himself as a guest? And aren't "they" winning when major sponsors like Federal Express and Sears put a higher price on their corporate image than on the essential democratic ingredient of free speech by pulling their ads? These companies have no problems defending capitalism, but they shrink from defending the values that make it possible. When the country just learned with such penetrating anguish what real terror is, how can the corporate logo polishers fear Bill Maher? Particularly when the point he was making was such an important one. So what, exactly, was his point? In response to conservative guest Dinesh D'Souza's assertion that people who are willing to die in service to their cause, whatever else they may be, are not "cowards," Maher said: "We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly." I was sitting next to Bill when he said this. And not only did I not object, I wholeheartedly agreed. In fact, in the past, I've made much the same criticism of a foreign policy that obliges our military to fight at great remove from the theater of battle. It was a mistake when we bombed a pharmaceutical factory in the Sudan, and it was a mistake when we killed the very Albanian refugees we were trying to protect with our indiscriminate carpet-bombing of Kosovo. President Bush, himself, has been making much the same point that Bill Maher did: "It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat." Presumably, if Maher had made those same comments on Sept. 10, nobody would have batted an eyelid. But by uttering the same opinion seven days later, he put the very existence of his show at risk. Have we all gone mad? What becomes of a country when opinions considered perfectly legitimate -- and indeed uttered by hundreds of academics, journalists and members of Congress -- suddenly become a crime worthy of the media death penalty? If the attacks on innocent American lives end up making us more like our attackers, don't they most spectacularly win? And don't the corporate sponsors, the affiliates, and ABC itself see the inconsistency in the fact that, as a way of showing solidarity against the Taliban, they are using the Taliban's trademark weapon -- the stifling of dissent? Isn't freedom what we're fighting for? And isn't lack of freedom -- including freedom of the press -- the hallmark of our enemies? "Cowardly" was the injurious word uttered by Maher. Well, let me use it now where it really belongs -- to describe ABC if it decides to cancel a show that is, after all, called "Politically Incorrect." The "Politically Incorrect" episode in question was the first since the attack. At curtain time, the entire studio was electric with anxiety. "Politically Incorrect," though it deals with serious subjects is, after all, a satirical program. So we all held our breath as Bill stepped onto the tightrope. Maher's tone-setting opening comments, which took the place of his usual monologue, were nothing short of brilliant and -- in light of the media firestorm that followed -- remarkably prescient. "I do not relinquish," he said, "nor should any of you, the right to criticize, even as we support, our government. This is still a democracy, and they're still politicians ... Political correctness itself is something we can no longer afford. Feelings are gonna get hurt so that actual people won't, and that will be a good thing." At the end of the show, the audience rose in a standing ovation. As well as being the host of the show, Bill is my friend. And, as his friend, at that moment, and throughout that show, I was really proud of him. Proud of how perfect a note he had struck between rallying around the flag, showing grief, and expressing dissent. How he had shown that they are not mutually contradictory. And everything that has happened since has only made me prouder of him -- and more disgusted at the politically correct cowards who are trying to stifle him. We cannot let them succeed, for, as Benjamin Franklin put it, "Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech." salon.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:49:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns Some things I know about soft drinks: a) Big Red was available here in Milwaukee some years back, disappeared, and then has recently returned, along with its diet counterpart. Stewart's description of the flavor seems accurate. b) Mountain Dew Code Red doesn't taste like Mountain Dew. It tastes like a very sweet, somewhat citrus-y cherry cola w/less of that cola bite. I don't really like it - but I generally don't drink or like non-diet sodas anyway, so I'm not the one to ask. c) 50/50 was, at one time, a regional product of the Graf's beverage folks around here. I think Canfield's bought them out - but because of Graf's popularity in these parts, 50/50 (and a transparent creme soda) is available around here. c.2) I'm highly suspicious of the spelling "creme" - but it isn't really "cream" either, so I'll go with it. d) Whoever it is that makes that purported chocolate soda is deeply fucked up. e) Cherry-flavored 7-Up is an abomination. f) An exception to the non-diet soda rule is Goya's extra-strong ginger ale. Some people think it's like drinking battery acid (my sister, for one), but Rose and I are addicts. (Reed's is pretty good, too - we see it at natural foods -type places.) This leads to the whole Ting discussion if need be. g) That malt-flavored Goya beverage: I can't decide whether it's good or the sort of thing that obnoxious idiot on MTV would drink for a dare. h) I'd really like to try the "Windex blue" creme soda. But are you sure that isn't the fluid bathing the combs in old-man barbershops? i) Why isn't apple-flavored soda popular? Apple flavoring takes carbonation very well. What's wrong with you people? (And don't try to tell me apple cider's the same thing.) j) Okay, I give up: what does Moxie taste like? (There are any number of jokes available here, depending upon whether anyone's known "Moxie" as pet, human, etc. Please refrain from making them. Thank you.) Yours fruvously, - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n matches? The Architectural Dance Society candles? www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html matches? candles? nd: diet Dr. Pepper in a can (12oz) buns? ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #248 *******************************