From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #247 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, September 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 247 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] another question for the oracle ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] pointed accounts (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Sealed with a Guppy ["Douglas Stanley" ] Re: [loud-fans] Beulah [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] another question for the oracle >What is the name of the group containing members of Cheap Trick and Wilco, >and what releases do they have? Thanks. That would seem to be Swag. CDNow says they've got two records, DIFFERENT GIRLS from last year, and CATCH-ALL from this year. Available hopefully at a store near you, Andy "He couldn't be called a romantic, because he despised self-deception..." - --Philip Gourevitch, from A COLD CASE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:13:35 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] another question for the oracle They played on one of the late night talk shows earlier this year. I didn't bother to check them out, not knowing who was in the group, because their name put me in mind of Staind. Presumably there'll be a rerun at some point. - --dana On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 04:08:08 -0700 "Andrew Hamlin" writes: >>What is the name of the group containing members of Cheap Trick and >Wilco, >>and what releases do they have? Thanks. > > >That would seem to be Swag. CDNow says they've got two records, >DIFFERENT >GIRLS from last year, and CATCH-ALL from this year. > >Available hopefully at a store near you, > >Andy > >"He couldn't be called a romantic, because he despised >self-deception..." > >--Philip Gourevitch, from A COLD CASE ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:11:04 -0500 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] Nick Lowe on Fresh Air today Nick is supposed to be on Fresh Air today. 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:40:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns http://news.excite.com/news/ap/010925/17/gm-sports-car-demise ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:46:47 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns Yeah, I'm so upset, I'm driving my '02 Thunderbird to get NEW COKE, to watch Michael Jordan play basketball. The word 'discontinue' does not exist in industry anymore. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:43:56 -0700 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] Sealed with a Guppy >Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:02:49 EDT >From: Vivebonpop@aol.com >Subject: [loud-fans] another question for the oracle >What is the name of the group containing members of Cheap Trick and Wilco, >and what releases do they have? Thanks. >- -Mark I simply typed "members of cheap trick and wilco" into the search field at Yahoo. http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=members+of+cheap+trick+and+wilco&hc=0&hs =0 This internet thing just might catch on after all... Doug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:25:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] Beulah Has anyone heard THE COAST IS NEVER CLEAR yet? I quite liked WHEN YOUR HEARTSTRINGS BREAK but this new one was released amidst a very heavy onslaught of essential new releases so I have to be discerning at the moment. Btw, the new Emm Gryner and Bill Janovitz albums are wonderful. Jer ===== Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Beulah On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Jer Fairall wrote: > Has anyone heard THE COAST IS NEVER CLEAR yet? I quite liked WHEN > YOUR HEARTSTRINGS BREAK but this new one was released amidst a very > heavy onslaught of essential new releases so I have to be discerning > at the moment. I can't imagine someone who liked WYHB not liking the new one, though I can imagine someone feeling slightly disappointed over the band not developing as much after WYHB as they did after the first album. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:09:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, O Geier wrote: > Yeah, I'm so upset, I'm driving my '02 Thunderbird to get NEW COKE, to > watch Michael Jordan play basketball. The word 'discontinue' does not > exist in industry anymore. Okay, I get most of this - but are you telling me they're bringing back New Coke? What on earth for? - -j ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:22:56 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns At 05:09 PM 9/27/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, O Geier wrote: > >> Yeah, I'm so upset, I'm driving my '02 Thunderbird to get NEW COKE, to >> watch Michael Jordan play basketball. The word 'discontinue' does not >> exist in industry anymore. > >Okay, I get most of this - but are you telling me they're bringing back >New Coke? What on earth for? I couldn't tell you where to buy it (the last time I saw New Coke was when my parents were living on the Texas coast a good seven or eight years ago), but the rather amazing truth is that they've never *stopped* making New Coke! The syrup is available to any bottler who wants to make it, and I suppose there's still bottlers who do. That's why Coca-Cola Classic is still called that, to keep the differentiation between that superior product and the nasty stuff that tastes like Pepsi. Stewart NP: "Eddie's Out" -- Cabaret Voltaire (hmm, uses the same "Can You Dig It?" sample that Pop Will Eat Itself used a decade or so later -- wonder where it's from...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:28:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Okay, I get most of this - but are you telling me they're bringing > back New Coke? What on earth for? The markets that liked it when it was introduced (there were some) still have it. My question is, can you get "Coke 2" any more? I liked it -- particularly the name -- but I haven't had any since about 1995. My theory was that it was supposed to be a response to Crystal Pepsi (similar taste), but that CP tanked so fast that Coke put the artifical color back in and went with a smaller release. aaron - -- FREE FAST FICTION ON DEMAND -- - -- at www.bantha.org/~trap/ltd -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:17:44 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] ironicalization guidelines http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0109/irony/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:33:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Aaron Mandel wrote: > have it. My question is, can you get "Coke 2" any more? I liked it -- Well, I'm in a unique position to answer a question like this, since I have on my computer Scantrack monthly data of all shipments of every type of soft drink, tea, etc., to the top 50 metropolitan areas for the years 1998-2000. Since I didn't _personally_ sign a confidentiality agreement...I can tell you that over these years, in supermarkets, there were nearly 570,000 2-Liter bottles of Coke II sold, with about 95% of it being sold in Chicago. By contrast, there were more than 13 million 2 Liters of Cherry Coke sold. Coke and Diet Coke are both an order of magnitude higher than Cherry Coke. BTW, one interesting soft drink fact--over the past ten years, per capita consumption of soft drinks has sky-rocketd throughout the country, except for the pacific states (CA, OR, WA). In the pacific states, not only has per-capita consumption been declining, but absolute consumption has been declining, despte a rising population. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:20:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Michael Mitton, Soft-Drink God, wrote: > BTW, one interesting soft drink fact--over the past ten years, per capita > consumption of soft drinks has sky-rocketd throughout the country, except > for the pacific states (CA, OR, WA). In the pacific states, not only has > per-capita consumption been declining, but absolute consumption has been > declining, despte a rising population. How much of this is due to the ongoing enormousization (yeah, I know it's not a word) of drink sizes? Used to be, your 12oz can was standard. Then, a 16oz bottle. Now, we're at at least 20oz, and Pepsi (I think) usually comes in 24oz bottles. And then there are your fountain drinks, where "small" seems to be 16oz, and sizes range upward to, oh, Medium Swimming Pool. In many fast-food places, on the other hand, the trend's toward self-serve soft-drinks - which means you're a complete chump if you buy anything but the smallest size, since if you want more all you've got to do is refill the damned thing. (Real fast-food chain-haters just order water, dump it, and refill the water glass w/their bev o' choice...) West-coasters, I'll bet, are drinking other things? Like what, O Great Oracle of Beverage Consumption? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I can bellow like a clown school drill instructor:: __Brian Block__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:22:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] The First what? Consti-who? Good to see that the people running America stand steadfast in defending its constitutional principles - such as White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, who, in response to Bill Maher's comments that "lobbing cruise missiles from 2000 miles away" was "cowardly," reassuringly noted that "all Americans need to watch what they say, watch what they do, and this is not a time for remarks like that." And people want *Bill Maher* to apologize? And what's that muffled chuckling sound coming from across the sea? Why it's Joe Stalin and all his buddies, laughing at the notion that they lost the Cold War. See http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/27/spin/ on this and more executive lying. Oh, and does anyone else think it's just peachy the way right-wingers (led by the WSJ editorial page) are thinking now's the perfect time to ram through all kinds of conservative legislation, what with GWB's approval ratings in a typical wartime-crisis high? Great bunch of guys - the kind of guy who'd pimp out his own mother if she happened to pass out when he was short a few bucks. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, cowardly lobbing verbiage from however many miles away J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::glibby glop gloopy nibby nobby noopy la la la la lo:: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:51:09 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] air marshals to the rescue Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who supports gun control and therefore the > presence of discreet, *trained*, armed personnel aboard aircraft, so the > guns and weapons of fanatics might be controlled. Doesn't the pilot have > enough to do flying the plane? The airline pilots were actually asking to be deputized as air marshals, which implies some sort of training, and since most of them have military experience, they probably also have firearms experience. Given the astronomical odds against terrorist activity, this seems to be at least as feasible as having federal marshals on every flight. I've been working for 10+ years at a company that publishes federal aviation regulations, so I thought I knew more about FAA operations than the average citizen, but until two weeks ago I'd never heard of the "federal air marshals" program, so I did some research. Federal air marshals were introduced back in the 1960's when there wasn't any "airport security" per se -- getting on a plane was just like getting on a bus. It was all but abandoned in 1973, after the FAA started requiring airlines to screen passengers and carry-on luggage with metal detectors. The logic that armed security shouldn't be necessary in "secure" airplanes. This was also when airlines became responsible for air security, which in hindsight, probably wasn't that great an idea. Since the purpose of airline security should be to make the planes secure, any weapon on a plane could conceivably aid potential hijackers, so I think security efforts should be more geared toward keeping as many weapons off airplanes than adding more of them. But given the present situation with airport security and future threats, they're probably a necessary precaution. It's too bad that advances in air security always have to happen after hijackings and crashes, but that's the nature of security in general. If anyone is still worried about air travel in the wake of recent events, it's safer now than it's ever been, and cheaper too. (this message brought to you by the Air Travelers Association) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:16:21 -0400 From: Overall_Julianne@isus.emc.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns > West-coasters, I'll bet, are drinking other things? Like what, O Great > Oracle of Beverage Consumption? As a west-coaster, my best guess is that OR and WA residents lean toward beverages such as double latte, triple grande cappuccino, double-decaf blended caramel machiatto, etc. while CA residents are drinking expensive bottled water and iced versions of the coffee drinks the northwesterners prefer. Either that or beer - microbeers are quite popular in Portland. Bottoms Up! -julianne Sipping an iced green tea - decaf, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:38:12 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Beulah In a message dated 9/27/01 1:26:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, j_fairall@yahoo.com writes: > Has anyone heard THE COAST IS NEVER CLEAR yet? I > quite liked WHEN YOUR HEARTSTRINGS BREAK but this new > one was released amidst a very heavy onslaught of > essential new releases so I have to be discerning at > the moment. > > It's okay, but it isn't grabbing me. I've listened to it twice. I don't know what it is. It's sandwiched between the folded down back seat in my car, and I keep passing over it as a listening choice. I am enjoying something in the same league that you and other Loudfans may like as well. A group called Summer Hymns: two members of Of Montreal, (so I knew it had to be good) as well as members of Elf Power and Masters of the Hemisphere. I'm not exactly sure how to describe this record, which is their second, "A Celebratory Arm Gesure." Folky new wave carnival music filtered through the lens of people who would rank Neutral Milk Hotel's "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" in the same league of importance with early Neil Young or Buffalo Springfield. Does that make any sense? Probably not. This type of organic loose stuff is what made me want to pack and move 100 miles to Athens long ago. The admittedly high indie cred ensemble backs the songs of Zach Gresham, who is the soft singing head of this swirling organic stew. Think of the exact opposite of the way Pylon sounds, and you have SH (though Pylon is a beutiful angular thing, indeed). A splendid time (on headphones) is guaranteed for all. Read a book. Don't be afraid. Mark p.s. There's a new Suzanne Vega record out! How many years has it been since her last? It will be in my grubby little hands tomorrow when Mr. Paycheck arrives... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:44:52 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sealed with a Guppy In a message dated 9/27/01 12:45:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dstanley@broadcom.com writes: > This internet thing just might catch on after all... > > > Doug > > > > I've heard it's really huge in Belgium. I do searches often, but when it comes to music, consulting the list comes to mind before ever checking a search engine. I don't think I've ever asked anything regarding music that someone didn't have the answer to. M M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 00:55:46 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns In a message dated 9/27/01 11:21:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: > Used to be, your 12oz can was standard. Then, > a 16oz bottle. Now, we're at at least 20oz, and Pepsi (I think) usually > comes in 24oz bottles. > > There has to be a correlation between the explosion of overweight people in the past decade or so, and the increased consumption of refined sugars/corn syrup. I agree with Dr. Atkins of Atkins diet fame (the diet I'm on, and am losing weight successfully with) that carbohydrates are America's fat problem, not fats (he states in his book, The New Diet Revolution). I quit eating sugar and bread and rice and pasta and voila! My clothes fit great again, and a chin disappeared. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:09:19 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns At 10:20 PM 9/27/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >And then there are your fountain drinks, where "small" seems to be 16oz, >and sizes range upward to, oh, Medium Swimming Pool. This has been going on at least since 7-11 came out with the Big Gulp some 20-odd years ago. I chuckle at my callow youth, thinking that this 32-ouncer was the King of the Soft Drinks. Ah, but then came the 44-oz. SUPER Big Gulp, and then, six or seven years ago, the astonishing Double Gulp, which is 64 ounces of your favorite carbonated sugar water. One half of a freakin' imperial gallon of Dr Pepper, folks. I don't know anyone who's ever finished one, although now that I think about it, I bet my brother drinks two or three of them a day. Or, as Louie Anderson used to say in his stand-up a couple of decades ago when he was actually funny: "Hi, I'd like a soft drink, please." "Well, we have the 12-ounce, and over here, we have the 55-gallon drum." "What's the difference in price?" "A nickel." (Convenience store economics lesson: fountain soft drinks are almost pure profit. Bought in bulk, the total combined cost per unit of cup, lid, straw, ice, syrup and CO2 water is about four cents. The sizes have grown so outrageous because the lavish size creates a perception of value for money, so when the big soft drinks are on sale -- and they always are, especially in the summer -- you go to get a drink and instead of the 59 cent 12 ounce drink, you think, "Hey, the 44-ounce is only 89 cents, I'll get that.") >West-coasters, I'll bet, are drinking other things? Like what, O Great >Oracle of Beverage Consumption? I'm sure Michael has the data, but my semi-educated guess is 1) bottled water, and 2) the whole relatively new drink category collectively dubbed "New Age Beverages" by the industry: non-carbonated things like Snapple, Sobe, Arizona teas, that sort of thing. Either that or they're all stoked on Red Bull. S NP: THAT LATIN BEAT! -- Xavier Cugat and his Orchestra ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 01:58:22 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Boring News I'm sure your tired of hearing about my book, but allow me a few more words about it. I finished it tonight, so my mom will edit what's left, the last two chapters of it, and then it's off to IUniverse with it. Wish me luck. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 01:12:17 -0500 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] Re: The First what? Consti-who? (delete now, if you know what's good for you) On Thursday, September 27, 2001, at 10:22 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Good to see that the people running America stand steadfast in defending > its constitutional principles - such as White House Press Secretary Ari > Fleischer, who, in response to Bill Maher's comments that "lobbing > cruise > missiles from 2000 miles away" was "cowardly," reassuringly noted that > "all Americans need to watch what they say, watch what they do, and this > is not a time for remarks like that." But don't you realize, only conservatives have the right to criticize the previous administration. > See http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/27/spin/ on this and more > executive lying. Fleischer is Bush's *professional* liar, the rest of them do it as a vocation. It shouldn't be a surprise, Bush's entire campaign and governance has been based on nothing but one falsehood after another. > Oh, and does anyone else think it's just peachy the way > right-wingers (led by the WSJ editorial page) are thinking now's the > perfect time to ram through all kinds of conservative legislation, what > with GWB's approval ratings in a typical wartime-crisis high? Great > bunch > of guys - the kind of guy who'd pimp out his own mother if she happened > to > pass out when he was short a few bucks. The WSJ editorial staff cares about nothing other than killing off programs that they've always hated and putting more money into the pockets of the people that they think have the divine right to run the country. As I've said before, the only principle most Republicans believe in is the exercise of power. And speaking of the WSJ, perhaps some of you missed the fact that the extra holy John Fund spent some time fornicating with the much younger daughter of a one time lover. Seems he got her pregnant but failed to state his pro-life position strongly enough to prevent her from getting an abortion. I guess he was too busy worrying about the morality of other people. - - Steve __________ PAGE SIX has learned that the fun-loving First Daughters attended wild parties two nights in a row last week - including a Beverly Hills bash where Jenna was photographed holding a drink. - New York Post ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 02:14:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] a mulleted nation mourns On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Michael Mitton, Soft-Drink God, wrote: One of the lesser-known Gods of mythology, but a God nonetheless. > How much of this is due to the ongoing enormousization (yeah, I know it's > not a word) of drink sizes? Don't know, because of the standard problem: Are we drinking more because producers decided to offer larger sizes, or Are we drinking more because consumers wanted larger sizes? All I know is that we're drinking more, and sizes are bigger, but the issue of causality, as always, is a muddle. > West-coasters, I'll bet, are drinking other things? Like what, O Great > Oracle of Beverage Consumption? Yep. We're higher in water, tea, and sports drinks. - --Michael ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #247 *******************************