From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #243 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, September 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 243 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Auden [John Cooper ] [loud-fans] make your funk the P-Funk (auction alert) [rlewis@adnc.com (R] [loud-fans] Falwell response [JohnWSharples@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Falwell response [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] Take it off line please [Jean Christophe Madre ] [loud-fans] Chat? [Jer Fairall ] Re: [loud-fans] banner not star-strangled [Jer Fairall ] [none] [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Damn I love that song [Vivebonpop@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 00:27:00 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Auden On 9/22/01, DOUDIE@aol.com wrote: >Hello, > >I just heard the most wonderful Auden poem on NPR... they said it is >circulating on the internet... If anyone has received it can you please >forward it to me. > >Off to see Built to Spill.... > >steve September 1, 1939 I sit in one of the dives On Fifty-second Street Uncertain and afraid As the clever hopes expire Of a low dishonest decade: Waves of anger and fear Circulate over the bright And darkened lands of the earth, Obsessing our private lives; The unmentionable odour of death Offends the September night. Accurate scholarship can Unearth the whole offence From Luther until now That has driven a culture mad, Find what occurred at Linz, What huge imago made A psychopathic god: I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return. Exiled Thucydides knew All that a speech can say About Democracy, And what dictators do, The elderly rubbish they talk To an apathetic grave; Analysed all in his book, The enlightenment driven away, The habit-forming pain, Mismanagement and grief: We must suffer them all again. Into this neutral air Where blind skyscrapers use Their full height to proclaim The strength of Collective Man, Each language pours its vain Competitive excuse: But who can live for long In an euphoric dream; Out of the mirror they stare, Imperialism's face And the international wrong. Faces along the bar Cling to their average day: The lights must never go out, The music must always play, All the conventions conspire To make this fort assume The furniture of home; Lest we should see where we are, Lost in a haunted wood, Children afraid of the night Who have never been happy or good. The windiest militant trash Important Persons shout Is not so crude as our wish: What mad Nijinsky wrote About Diaghilev Is true of the normal heart; For the error bred in the bone Of each woman and each man Craves what it cannot have, Not universal love But to be loved alone. From the conservative dark Into the ethical life The dense commuters come, Repeating their morning vow; "I will be true to the wife, I'll concentrate more on my work," And helpless governors wake To resume their compulsory game: Who can release them now, Who can reach the deaf, Who can speak for the dumb? All I have is a voice To undo the folded lie, The romantic lie in the brain Of the sensual man-in-the-street And the lie of Authority Whose buildings grope the sky: There is no such thing as the State And no one exists alone; Hunger allows no choice To the citizen or the police; We must love one another or die. Defenceless under the night Our world in stupor lies; Yet, dotted everywhere, Ironic points of light Flash out wherever the Just Exchange their messages: May I, composed like them Of Eros and of dust, Beleaguered by the same Negation and despair, Show an affirming flame. Copyright ) 1940 W. H. Auden, renewed by The Estate of W. H. Auden ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:42:28 -0700 From: rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis) Subject: [loud-fans] make your funk the P-Funk (auction alert) Call me a shameless shill, but I just stuck an item up for auction on eBay that a Loudfan or two might want. It's part of eBay's "Auction for America," in which items are auctioned with the entire proceeds going toward medical and rebuilding efforts in NYC, with eBay and its credit card affiliates waiving their usual processing fees. The stated goal is to raise $100 million in 100 days. I scared up a SEALED picture disc LP copy of Parliament's _Motor Booty Affair,_ a brilliant, fantastic, deranged funk album. It could be yours if you follow this URL: or simply search eBay for 1467755106. C'mon. You know you need to fill that hole in your collection. Check out their "Auction for America" site; there is lots of cool stuff there. Scott Tissue El Cajon CA I think animal testing is a terrible idea...They get all nervous and give the wrong answers. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:10:50 EDT From: JohnWSharples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Falwell response Sorry I'm late to this, but a lot's been going on the past week. Since last Friday I've been splitting my time between school and working at a volunteer supply station at Pier 40 downtown (I'm not working at my City job currently as our building was damaged by the WTC collapse). The volunteer experience has been unbelievably rewarding--not just NYers but people from all parts of the country are down there giving their time and effort, and the spirit of the place is damned uplifting. I've made several runs to Ground Zero and folks, the devastation is incomprehensible up close. The rescue workers are true heroes and I feel endlessly fortunate to have been able to support them, even in a relatively puny way. In any event, last week J.R. was struggling to distinguish between the remarks of Falwell, and Moore and Rich. Unable or unwilling to find one, he strongly implies that the near universal condemnation of Falwell while Moore goes unscathed is further evidence of liberal media. The distinction is simple: Moore's premise (while I don't agree with much of his rantings) is essentially that the U.S. government brought the attacks upon its people through specific acts and omissions, while Falwell's is that God allowed the attacks because we as a nation tolerate gays, abortion, separation of church and state, and the ACLU. Jerry takes Al Qaeda's side. Moore is misguided but Falwell is monstrous and, sadly (despite J.R.'s wishing), still very influential in some quarters. This is why he was singled out for rebuke by both liberal- and conservative-leaning media sources and, of course, by the Republican White House. I'm surprised J.R. would sink so low as to try to score petty, divisive idealogical points while his city still burns, but I guess we're all under a lot of stress these days. J.R., if you find yourself (as I did) going a little barmy with too much time on your hands, come on down to Pier 40 and move boxes, we still need volunteers. JS, unsubbing for the rest of the year. Please copy me if you want me to read something. Take care! Oh, and, Go Mets. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:35:35 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Falwell response Could someone please check in on the wonderfully charitable Mr. Sharples? Deciding to choose between which of two men is monstrous, he goes with the apologetic moron and defends the guy who complained that the terrorists didn't kill enough of the right people. At the very least, make sure the guy's got one of those paper masks, because it sounds like he's inhaling some scary stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:41:51 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jean Christophe Madre Subject: [loud-fans] Take it off line please Hi, > Could someone please check in on the wonderfully charitable > Mr. Sharples? ... Could you guys take it offline ? Not that I am not interested in your political views, but I don't think this is a place for it. Thank you very much in advance, - -- JC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 09:14:06 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Take it off line please In a message dated 9/23/01 5:42:38 AM, madre@synopsys.COM writes of a very important exchange: << Could you guys take it offline ? Not that I am not interested in your political views, but I don't think this is a place for it. >> Dude...! He's the only cyberstalker I've got! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:06:26 EDT From: JohnWSharples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Falwell response - an apology I'd like to apologize if I offended anyone with my earlier post, which I realize took a self-righteous tone. I regret bringing up the volunteer effort I've been part of, but I didn't do it to blow my own horn (OK maybe a little) but to pay tribute to what struck me as an inspiring display of the human spirit, and to describe the context in which I read J.R.'s remarks, which I still believe were ill-timed and ill-conceived. I read his post upon returning, exhausted, from a grueling shift, the bitter contrast outraged me, and I let my emotions get the best of me, which I hope helps illustrate why I was given to an intemperate outburst. I realize these are extremely difficult times for every single one of us, and I think we need to all cut each other a bit of slack -- and I tried to communicate that I felt that way about J.R., too, in my post, which is why I said the bit about stress and finding ways to cope. I fully admit that volunteering probably helped me to deal, as much if not more than it actually helped the relief the effort. My invitation to J.R. to come down to the pier was sincere: I'll gladly set aside my differences with him in order to contribute, and that's my hope for all of us with differences. So all I'm saying is let's try to cool it and pull together. I'll do my best. Thanks, JS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:08:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Take it off line please On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > Dude...! He's the only cyberstalker I've got! hey, waitaminnit! *snif* don't you luv me anymore?? - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:15:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] Chat? Anyone care to join me in irc.eskimo.com (it's working this week!) for some chat? Jer ===== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:21:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] banner not star-strangled > a beautiful rendition of the national anthem My favorite take on "The Star Spangled Banner" is the slow, lovely piano-and-African-tribal-drum version that appears on the 1998 LARGO album, an update of Dvorak's "Symphony for the New World" put together by producers Rob Hyman and Eric Bazilian (formerly of the Hootes) with help from various (mostly minor) celebrity guests. Jer ===== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:03:22 -0500 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: [loud-fans] was there a chat? I can't connect to irc.eskimo.com and the other channels seem vacant.... - ------------------------------------------------------- Michael Zwirn michael@zwirn.com Home: 503/232-8919 September 2001: 317/283-3986 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:18:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [none] Sad but true: last week, as most of us mourned, meditated, worried, and tried to do what we could to help, there were also those among us who instead immediately set to the design and manufacture of t-shirts, bumper stickers, buttons, and other trinkets - quoting G.W. Bush, showing bin Laden's face w/a slash through it, etc. - thereby demonstrating a keen ability to sniff out potential profit even in the midst of catastrophe. Pretty damned pathetic how much junk of this nature appeared on store shelves literally within a day or two of the incident. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::flag on the moon...how'd it get there?:: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:03:59 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Damn I love that song Ever get one of Scott's songs stuck in your brain and cannot stop playing it? I'm on a "Cortex the Killer" spree at the moment. I've played that song over and over at least a dozen times in the car since yesterday. It's perfect, right down to the cymbal tap at the end. That one, "Crypto Sicko" (thanks to Gil Ray's godlike drumming genius) and "Sister Sleep." (pop opera? I think it is the most amazing song the LF ever did. It is definitely the Beatles' "A Day in the Life" caliber) If Scott's music were a place, I'd want to move in, settle down and maybe raise a Chia pet or two - -Mark ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #243 *******************************