From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #241 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, September 22 2001 Volume 01 : Number 241 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] deconstructing key [mick ] Re: [loud-fans] courage, happy thoughts, cake, ophelia (ns) ["Andrew Haml] [loud-fans] A Day Of Giving, courtesy the movies ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] ophelias [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Dan Rather and Michael Moore [Jon Tveite ] [loud-fans] FOW alert ["Kunkel, Mark" ] Re: [loud-fans] FYI: "Imagine" banned on Clear Channel last week ["glen] Re: [loud-fans] FYI: "Imagine" banned on Clear Channel last week ["glenn] Re: [loud-fans] FYI: "Imagine" banned - it is a hoax ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] (not actually) NP lyrics [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] Kayaking the Husdson [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] Kayaking the Husdson [dc ] Re: [loud-fans] FOW alert [Vivebonpop@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Kayaking the Husdson [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] FOW alert [Vivebonpop@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Hunters and Collectors ["glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] deconstructing key >On the bus to work from the park & ride today, I was subjected to the >radio playing America's fave crack addict bellowing our national anthem as >if it were written in a language she didn't understand - all bombast, all >the time - even though, remember, it's actually a question. I'm no fan of bombast either, but if Tris is looking for "fragility and tenuousness" in the context of a baseball stadium, he's looking in the wrong place. Or maybe we'll just have to hand the task to Bob Dylan. mick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 04:10:29 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] courage, happy thoughts, cake, ophelia (ns) >Also, I *finally* found a copy of the Ophelias' self titled album, with >the version of "Mr. Rabbit" on it, that they used to play to death at the >Vassar radio station when I was attending. Strangely, it sounds every >bit as good as I'd remembered it, which came as a nice surprise. >Anyways, does anyone happen to know anything much about this strange >band, whose releases seem to be all over the map? Allmusic wasn't too >helpful, and everything they did appears to be out of print. Worth noting that Scott honors the Ophelias twice on his Music Lists: THE OPHELIAS at number two(!) in 1987, and THE BIG O at number ten in 1989. Don't know which album has that "Lawrence of Euphoria" cover I loved from MTV, though. Francis Scott Key Fitzgerald, Andy "Yep, another Joseph, right here. Wonder what the answers were like for Adams or John the Baptists... If we run into teams of say, Peters, do we automatically have to fight them? Or will they back off if we give them Hostess Fruit Pies?" - --Cat Kenney on http://www.beliefnet.com/section/quiz/index.asp?sectionID=&surveyID=114 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:06:12 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] A Day Of Giving, courtesy the movies Thought I'd pass this along. You may not have a Landmark Theater in your area, but if you do, set aside next Tuesday for a movie day, buy yourself a tub'o'corn and a gallon of pop, and it'll all go to good causes. Info and theater locations: http://www.landmarktheatres.com/ Andy ************** Press Release ************** for immediate release- Landmark Theatres to Hold National Benefit Day For Disaster Relief Efforts Landmark / Seven Gables Theatres to donate all ticket and concession sales to The American Red Cross and United Way on Tuesday, September 25, 2001 September 20, 2001 Landmark Theatres, in association with the National Association of Theatre Owners, announced today that next Tuesday, September 25th, all proceeds from ticket and concession sales will be donated to the disaster relief funds of the American Red Cross and United Way. In Seattle, the Broadway Market Cinema, Egyptian Theatre, Guild 45th Theatre, Harvard Exit Theatre, Metro Cinemas, Neptune Theatre, Seven Gables Theatre, Varsity Theatre, and Crest Cinema Center will be participating in the benefit. CEO Paul Richardson stated "We have been inundated with proposals from our staff and friends as to how we could join the relief drive. I hope that every seat in our circuit can be used to raise money for this effort. Every cent that is generated that day will go directly to their cause." Landmark Theatres and Silver Cinemas are encouraging all media to join them in getting the word out. Ray Price, Landmark's Vice President of Marketing, said: "Turn off the television, get out of the house and go see a movie. Bring all your family and friends, have a great time and do something for everyone out there that really needs our help. Seeing a film next Tuesday is a painless and joyful way to participate in the recovery from this tragedy. " Landmark Theatres is the largest specialized film exhibitor in the country. Consisting of 164 screens in 17 markets, in Seattle known as Landmark/Seven Gables Theatres where it has 9 theatres with 28 screens; Landmark has been dedicated to exhibiting independent, foreign language, restored classics and documentary films for more than a quarter century. Its subsidiary, Silver Cinemas, has an additional 150 screens and is considered a leader in the discount segment of theatrical exhibition. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:46:59 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Saber rattling...or is this the real thing?? On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, O Geier wrote: > talking about WAR, the new buzz word. He said things along the lines of, if > we want war, we should know what it is, not the surgical strikes of that > last 10 years, it's us killing people, and then waiting for another plane to weirdly, i find that really positive. i like that the proposed war is not being sold as a video-game denatured high-tech asskicking exercise like the last few, in which the fact that people, real people, die is almost completely obscured. i also like the implication that the approach to the war is not just going to be a lot of high altitude overflights bombing what's left of afghanistan to smithereens. how long ago was it that we were decrying the taliban's smashing of statues? uhm, three months? so there's an opportunity for staggering hypocrisy, and that would be business as usual in many ways he's still george bush's son, and i still disagree with a lot of what he says, and i'm still concerned about exactly what freedoms we will be asked to give up to protect our freedoms, but i have to admit, last night he said maybe more things that i agreed with than otherwise. i thought his words about islam were particularly moving. i don't know to what extent he *believes* them and to what extent his speechwriters and advisors urged him to say them, but even if it's only lip service and political expediency, it's still a message of tolerance and hope, and it's heartening that that is perceived as politically expedient. - -- d. np jay farrar _sebastopol_ ...well, it doesn't sound exactly like the other three(?), i'll give it that much... and the fourth songs has good opening lines. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:54:53 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ophelias > > Also, I *finally* found a copy of the Ophelias' self titled album, with > > the version of "Mr. Rabbit" on it, that they used to play to death at >the > > Vassar radio station when I was attending. Strangely, it sounds every > > bit as good as I'd remembered it, which came as a nice surprise. > > Anyways, does anyone happen to know anything much about this strange > > band, whose releases seem to be all over the map? Allmusic wasn't too > > helpful, and everything they did appears to be out of print. Ah, the Ophelias! When I happened (I don't remember why) to mention them to Our Scott, he was excited that I knew of them and started telling me stories about what a nut their songwriter was. He said the guy always had some crackpot idea about how to "make it," and apparently had formed a heavy metal band on the side. I have three Ophelias albums (I think that's all there were) and they're all quite wonderfully wacky. The first, self-titled one is the best, but each of the others have a few great moments. "Turn Into A Berry" from ORIENTAL HEAD is particularly cool. The first album is the one that has the most coherent sound--at that point they obviously had a very warped vision and stuck to it. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:24:40 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ophelias Thanks for the info Aaron. They've always been a mystery to me: they really were very strange, and seem to be one of those bands destined to slip through the cracks. In addition to the 3 albums, I found a 12" ep that they put out around the time of the first record. It has a very neat cover of the Kinks' "Wicked Anabella" as well as two very odd originals. - --dana Ah, the Ophelias! When I happened (I don't remember why) to mention them to Our Scott, he was excited that I knew of them and started telling me stories about what a nut their songwriter was. He said the guy always had some crackpot idea about how to "make it," and apparently had formed a heavy metal band on the side. I have three Ophelias albums (I think that's all there were) and they're all quite wonderfully wacky. The first, self-titled one is the best, but each of the others have a few great moments. "Turn Into A Berry" from ORIENTAL HEAD is particularly cool. The first album is the one that has the most coherent sound--at that point they obviously had a very warped vision and stuck to it. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:26:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jon Tveite Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Dan Rather and Michael Moore On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Joseph M. Mallon wrote: > Seeing the man I consider most responsible for inspiring the sheen of > irony and detachment with which I (and, I would venture to say, many of > the people on this list) coat most of my perceptions of the outside world > break down, so affected by the horror that he was unable to maintain that > detachment, brought home the gravity of the situation to me in a way that > all the images of the tower collapsing weren't able to. I also see Letterman as a kind of cultural touchstone figure in our ironic age, and so I was very curious to see how we would react. I thought he displayed an awkward, humane dignity that was very moving and sincere. > Shame on anyone who would take Dan Rather to task for responding in a > human way to that misery. To those who claim he should've maintainted his > composure, or that he was too jingoistic, I say "Go to the blast site and > stand there for a few hours. I had no problem with his composure level. He is human and the actions of 9/11 were supremely inhumane. But Rather is not JUST a human. He is the mouthpiece for a major news agency. It is not his job to lead the parade into war, and he should never give the impression of subservience to the political leadership, even if that's how he feels. Journalism's credibility depends on its independence and some degree of objectivity. Contrast his appearance with Walter Cronkite's last night. Cronkite addressed the awesome emotional weight of the past 2 weeks in a sincere and moving way, but he also was careful not to reduce a complicated situation to black and white. He acknowledged that there are legitimate questions to be asked about what to do next, and that there is a range of opinion out there in the public. He also emphasized the need for people to get good information from our leaders, and to take personal responsibility for keeping ourselves informed. Rather did none of these things. I know that Cronkite's dignity and composure are extremely rare, so I don't expect Rather to measure up in every way, but he could have learned a lot if Cronkite had gone first. > Think about how many people have died, that each of them has a family > that will never see their loved one again. Tell me then that you > don't feel like crying and lashing out." It is natural to feel that way, but that doesn't mean we should act on those feelings in any particular way. As Cronkite suggested, we have to "think twice" about the consequences of whatever we decide to do. > For the jingoistic "America rules" contingent, there is an equally > knee-jerk reaction from the "America is a pit of venality" contingent > who have used the tragedy as a reason to disparage America. Try to remember that people like that are angry too (have been for a long time about these things), and under the same stress we all are. I've been trying to get everyone to resist polarization and binary thinking. Both sides have their points, but nobody has all the answers. The people who really trouble me are those who think there's only one course of action and those who disagree have some kind of obligation to shut up. That is not the democratic way we are supposedly fighting to protect. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:27:00 -0500 From: "Kunkel, Mark" Subject: [loud-fans] FOW alert Salon.com's tv reporter says that Fountains of Wayne is on Conan O'Brien tonight. Thought you might be interested. _____________________________________________________ Mark D. Kunkel Legislative Attorney Legislative Reference Bureau (608) 266-0131 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:15:17 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FYI: "Imagine" banned on Clear Channel last week > Isn't there an indie band called I Am The World Trade > Center? I wonder if they will change their name. Temporarily, they say: http://www.kindercore.com/worldtrade.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:32:58 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FYI: "Imagine" banned on Clear Channel last week > Santa Monica by Everclear I'm sure the "offending" portion is: We can live beside the ocean Leave the fire behind Swim out past the breakers Watch the world die Although given the relative unpopularity of swimming in NY harbor it's fairly difficult to imagine anybody really mentally transposing this to NYC. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:38:38 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FYI: "Imagine" banned - it is a hoax > Any company whose website offers news articles only as Microsoft Word > documents sucks anyway. Any company whose self-description is "a global leader in the out-of home advertising industry" is going to be a worthless shitpile even if their marketing material is Esperanto encoded in fully-conformant SGML and hosted on a web server hand-built by actual Apache Indians. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:36:53 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FYI: "Imagine" banned on Clear Channel last week Although given the relative unpopularity of swimming in NY harbor it's fairly difficult to imagine anybody really mentally transposing this to NYC. >>>>>>>>>. It isn't exactly the Virgin Islands, but the Hudson has been cleaned up to the point where at least some people are attempting to swim again. A link to an info page on this: http://www.nyctri.com/hudsonswim.html Just a few weeks ago, Shari and I went kayaking just off of 23rd Street on the west side, and it was extremely nice. Luckily, we didn't get attacked by any of those evil jet-skiers, who apparently have developed a sport that involves ramming kayakers. How lovely. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:38:21 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FYI: "Imagine" banned on Clear Channel last week Sorry about this stuff getting sent repeatedly. The IT people here at work took our email system off line for "15 minutes" Tuesday afternoon and nothing has worked right since. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "glenn mcdonald" To: "Sue Trowbridge" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:15 pm Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FYI: "Imagine" banned on Clear Channel last week > > Isn't there an indie band called I Am The World Trade > > Center? I wonder if they will change their name. > > Temporarily, they say: http://www.kindercore.com/worldtrade.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:03:32 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] A Day Of Giving, courtesy the movies At Friday 9/21/2001 05:06 AM -0700, you wrote: >Thought I'd pass this along. You may not have a Landmark Theater in your >area, but if you do, set aside next Tuesday for a movie day, buy yourself a >tub'o'corn and a gallon of pop, and it'll all go to good causes. Info and >theater locations: http://www.landmarktheatres.com/ I believe that pretty much all of the nation's theater chains, not just Landmark, are participating in this. We received an e-mail at work (where I am not right now) about it, and it listed all the chains that I knew of, and then some. For example, here's AMC's press release about it: http://www.amctheatres.com/press_releases/09-19-01.html So, even if you don't have a Landmark theater nearby, you should be able to help out by seeing a movie practically anywhere that day. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:20:48 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] NP lyrics? I think I've asked about this before, but didn't get any answers. Time to try again. Does anyone know of anywhere on the web where I can find the complete lyrics to the album MASS ROMANTIC by the New Pornographers? I've searched and I've searched, and I just can't find them. Thanks. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:28:31 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] (not actually) NP lyrics At 11:20 AM 9/21/01 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >I think I've asked about this before, but didn't get any answers. Time to >try again. Does anyone know of anywhere on the web where I can find the >complete lyrics to the album MASS ROMANTIC by the New Pornographers? I've >searched and I've searched, and I just can't find them. Thanks. No help on the lyrics, but this reminds me that a terrific new film by a young Canadian filmmaker, Anais Granofsky, called ON THEIR KNEES prominently uses three or four New Pornographers songs (all of them from MASS ROMANTIC) on its soundtrack. Might be hard to see south of Windsor unless it hits the festival circuit, but it's highly recommended to our Canadian friends. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:31:31 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: [loud-fans] What was David Kahne thinking? Look, I actually have a reservoir of goodwill for Reprise President David Kahne, due to his association as producer of some bands I really liked way back in the day (The Bangles and Translator to name two) but he really messed up big time this time. If you're not a fan, you may not be aware that Wilco got dropped by Reprise last month, after Kahne rejected the band's latest, YANKEE HOTEL FOXTROT for being "too uncommercial". The group steadfastly refused to make any changes to the recording, and ended up having to negotiate a buyout of their deal, since WEA refused to release it. Anyway, you can hear the Jim O'Rourke produced work online in streaming fashion now, at the band's website, http://www.wilcoweb.com/note.html# After four listens, all I can think is that Kahne has just lost touch. I think it's a pretty amazing piece of work. I have no idea how you go from AM a few years ago to YHF, but this is a pretty great disc...which should get a proper release in early 2002... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:12:38 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] What was David Kahne thinking? At 01:31 PM 9/21/01 -0500, triggercut wrote: >Look, I actually have a reservoir of goodwill for Reprise President >David Kahne, due to his association as producer of some bands I really >liked way back in the day (The Bangles and Translator to name two) but >he really messed up big time this time. It should be noted that even during the days of 415 Records, David Kahne was largely despised by anyone who worked with him. The Bangles in particular never had anything nice to say about the guy, and hated that Columbia forced them to work with him for two albums. He *was* a pretty good producer, though. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:33:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FYI: "Imagine" banned - it is a hoax On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, glenn mcdonald wrote: > > Any company whose website offers news articles only as Microsoft Word > > documents sucks anyway. > > Any company whose self-description is "a global leader in the out-of home > advertising industry" is going to be a worthless shitpile even if their > marketing material is Esperanto encoded in fully-conformant SGML and hosted > on a web server hand-built by actual Apache Indians. Okay, 'splain to this here extra-looped one what exactly is "out-of home advertising." I am looking around my home, and fortunately I see no advertising which I have not let into the house myself. Or have the global leaders in in-home advertising simply not snuck into my house and papered my walls with Pepsi ads yet? (Actually, the cleverer, less-invasive method would simply be to mount a laser projector outside and beam the ad into my house, against the wall. I'm sure that will happen soon, if it hasn't already.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:13:04 +0000 From: "O Geier" Subject: [loud-fans] Fwd: Dr. Suess A friend sent me this... >Subject: Dr. Suess >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:22:39 -0400 > >Dr. Suess view on last week's events > >Every U down in Uville liked U.S. a lot, >But the Binch, who lived Far East of Uville, did not. >The Binch hated U.S! The whole U.S. way! > >Now don't ask me why, for nobody can say, >It could be his turban was screwed on too tight. >Or the sun from the desert had beaten too bright >But I think that the most likely reason of all >May have been that his heart was two sizes too small. > >But, Whatever the reason, his heart or his turban, >He stood facing Uville, the part that was urban. >"They're doing their business," he snarled from his perch. >"They're raising their families! They're going to church! >They're leading the world, and their empire is thriving, >I MUST keep the U's and S's from surviving!" > >Tomorrow, he knew, all the U's and the S's, >Would put on their pants and their shirts and their dresses, >They'd go to their offices, playgrounds and schools, >And abide by their U and S values and rules, > >And then they'd do something he liked least of all, >Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small, >Would stand all united, each U and each S, >And they'd sing Uville's anthem, "God bless U.S.! God bless!" > >All around their Twin Towers of Uville, they'd stand, >and their voices would drown every sound in the land. >"I must stop that singing," Binch said with a smirk, >And he had an idea--an idea that might work! > >The Binch stole some U planes in the morning hours, >And crashed them right into the Uville Twin Towers. >"They'll wake to disaster!" he snickered, so sour, >"And how can they sing when they can't find a tower?" > >The Binch cocked his ear as they woke from their sleeping, >All set to enjoy their U-wailing and weeping, >Instead he heard something that started quite low, >And it built up quite slow, but it started to grow-- >And the Binch heard the most unpredictable thing... >And he couldn't believe it--they started to sing! > >He stared down at U-ville, not trusting his eyes, >What he saw was a shocking, disgusting surprise! >Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small, Was singing! >Without any towers at all! > >He HADN'T stopped U-Ville from singing! It sung! >For down deep in the hearts of the old and the young, >Those Twin Towers were standing, >called Hope and called Pride, >And you can't smash the towers we hold deep inside. >So we circle the sites where our heroes did fall, >With a hand in each hand of the tall and the small, >And we mourn for our losses while knowing we'll cope, >For we still have inside that U-Pride and U-Hope. > >For America means a bit more than tall towers, >It means more than wealth or political powers, >It's more than our enemies ever could guess, >So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Internet communications are not secure and therefore Richmond Events Inc. >does not accept any liability for the contents of this message. >Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not >necessarily represent those of Richmond Events Inc. >If you are not the intended recipient of the message please notify the >sender immediately. >___________________________________________________________________________ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:22:30 -0500 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] Kayaking the Husdson On Friday, September 21, 2001, at 10:36 AM, Dana L Paoli wrote: > Just a few weeks ago, Shari and I went kayaking just off of 23rd Street > on the west side, and it was extremely nice. Luckily, we didn't get > attacked by any of those evil jet-skiers, who apparently have > developed a > sport that involves ramming kayakers. How lovely. I believe local communities are now able to regulate the use of personal watercraft, up to the point of an outright ban. Maybe you should take some civic action against the noisy, polluting menaces to the public. - - Steve __________ For four out of five American families, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, this year's rebate is most of what they will ever get from the Bush tax cut. Those future tax cuts that Mr. Lindsey wants to defend are overwhelmingly for the very, very affluent  and they will severely squeeze every other national priority. So why not reconsider them? - Paul Krugman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:49:31 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Kayaking the Husdson steve wrote: > I believe local communities are now able to regulate the use of personal > watercraft, up to the point of an outright ban. Maybe you should take > some civic action against the noisy, polluting menaces to the public. San Juan County, Wash., banned the damn things in 1996, with an ordinance that was later upheld by our state Supreme Court. i wish they'd follow suit in our own county farther down in Puget Sound, as our sailboat jaunt a few weeks ago was marred by their presence (they were uniformly recklessly ridden, presented wake issues for our tiny Laser, and were fucking noisy). i see that Coast Guard statistics from 1998 said they represented 3 percent of all recreational watercraft, but were involved in 36 percent of accidents. no surprise, by personal observation. still at issue is their use in national parks -- i believe Gail Norton is intent on derailing a ban on their (mis)use in those resource areas. somehow, i suspect the handiwork of JetSki industry lobbyists.... dc vicinity of seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:49:24 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FOW alert Are they due for a new release? Anyone know? I read they got dropped from Atlantic some time back. "Utopia Parkway" was frigging brilliant. My favorite of '99. Singing my prom theme, Mark Me: "Elvis Costello is a musician's musician. He's worked with several other famous musicians. He's made many albums, and is highly respected." A co-worker: "Yeah? Has he ever worked with Prince?" (Me last night at work trying to talk to a Limp Bizkit (sp?) and Eminem listenin' co-worker who was making fun of my musical taste, saying he never heard of anyone actually liking Elvis Costello before, and admitting to it) np Graham Parker "Deepcut to Nowhere" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:54:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Kayaking the Husdson On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, dc wrote: > San Juan County, Wash., banned the damn things in 1996, with an ordinance > that was later upheld by our state Supreme Court. i wish they'd follow suit > in our own county farther down in Puget Sound, as our sailboat jaunt a few > weeks ago was marred by their presence (they were uniformly recklessly > ridden, presented wake issues for our tiny Laser, and were fucking noisy). i > see that Coast Guard statistics from 1998 said they represented 3 percent of > all recreational watercraft, but were involved in 36 percent of accidents. > no surprise, by personal observation. Not to mention that a study conducted some years ago - sorry, Friday night at 11 pm is not when I do research, but I remember reading it - noted that, industry claims to the contrary, running a Jet Ski engine in water was the equivalent of dumping some fairly major amounts of fuel into the lake. (This is where, if I had the research to hand, I'd be quoting parts per billion.) Howzabout "live free AND die"? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:54:58 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Hunters and Collectors Someone at work (this one with some taste) asked me if I knew what Hunters and Collectors song and album the following line is from. I didn't know, but I told him that I bet someone here would know: "So there I was, naked in front of God and everybody" Anyone? Bueller? M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 23:58:09 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FOW alert On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 Vivebonpop@aol.com wrote: > Are they due for a new release? Anyone know? I read they got dropped from > Atlantic some time back. "Utopia Parkway" was frigging brilliant. My > favorite of '99. whazzizname just put out a record with his other band, ivy. a real snoozer, almost completely charmless. > np Graham Parker "Deepcut to Nowhere" huh? whuzzat?? - ------------------------------------------------- Mayo-Wells Media Workshop dmw@ http://www.mwmw.com mwmw.com Web Development * Multimedia Consulting * Hosting ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 00:11:24 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] FOW alert In a message dated 9/21/01 11:58:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dmw@Radix.Net writes: > whazzizname just put out a record with his other band, ivy. a real > snoozer, almost completely charmless. > > > np Graham Parker "Deepcut to Nowhere" > > huh? whuzzat?? > > Yeah, it is a letdown. "Realistic" played nonstop in my car and bedroom for about a year after its release. "Apartment Life" was good, but not charming like the first LP and the "Lately" ep. I don't get the new record's vibe. It's just...there. I think Andy Chase and Adam Schlesinger can do MUCH better. Graham Parker has a new record out, and it sounds like...Graham Parker, from the era of skinny ties and American cars with vinyl tops and bad fit and finish (to me, anyway). It's very catchy. It should flop miserably, like everything else I (and most of us here) like. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:52:18 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hunters and Collectors > "So there I was, naked in front of God and everybody" Out here in the street, naked in front of God and everyone I'm beginning to see daylight yawning down there From the menacing "Betty's Worry or The Slab", originally released on _The Jaws of Life_, 1982. The song also appears, in heavily modified acoustic form, as the opening track on the 1995 live double-album _Living...In Large Rooms and Lounges_, and again in a crazed fervor on the 1998 farewell concert album _Under One Roof_. glenn mcdonald Dept. of Hunting and Collecting ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #241 *******************************