From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #222 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, September 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 222 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] New Cont. Drifters ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] Louie Louie ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] aaliyah (ns) ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] there is no doubt... [Vivebonpop@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] there is no doubt... [John Cooper ] [loud-fans] Sorry Fugu... [triggercut ] Re: [loud-fans] Louie Louie [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] too many notes [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Sorry Fugu... [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Sorry Fugu... [triggercut ] [loud-fans] A Lion is In the Streets [Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] New Cont. Drifters This exciting news for Continental Drifter's fans of an upcoming release on Blue Rose. www.bluerose-records.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 29.10.01 Continental Drifters - Listen (CD/10") Before the band's 2000 German tour started they recorded 6 songs at HO*T-FM Radio in Hof, all covers by Sandy Denny and Richard Thompson ("You're Going To Need Somebody", "The Poor Ditching Boy", "I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight", "Meet On The Ledge", "I'm A Dreamer", and "Mattie Groves"). One more song ("Listen Listen") was recorded in New Orleans in August 2001. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:39:38 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Louie Louie Andy asks: METALLIC KO? <><><> Nah, it's not even the Stooges. It's from some solo Iggy thing from the late '70s that I have only on a poorly labeled cassette, packed somewhere among my recently moved possessions, and thus not exactly referenceable (given that that last is even a word?). I think Ivan Kraal plays guitar. The set includes "Villagers" and "Nightclubbing", so it's later than that stuff. I don't think they even do "Louie Louie" on _Metallic KO_, but I could be wrong. I got rid of that one a long time ago - the fidelity is awful even by Stooges bootleg standards, and the performance sucks el tiempo grande. If one is looking for the good stuff, I'd pick the set circulating as _Live in L.A. '73_. They don't do "Louie Louie" on that one, but the recording quality is fair, and those boys were ON that night. I think Bomp! is even paying royalties on their releases, for those concerned. I think _American Ceasar_ (the album with the coolest warning sticker of 'em all: "PARENTAL ADVISORY: THIS IS AN IGGY POP RECORD") also features a "Louie Louie" interpretation, but the lyrics on that one are less obscene, more political. gotta go now, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:42:46 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Louie Louie >I don't think they even do "Louie Louie" on _Metallic KO_, but I could be >wrong. > They do, they do! In fact, a lot of the "misinterpreted" lyrics are the ones Iggy used "i.e. 'she's not the kind I lay at home,' 'she's got a rag on so I move above'" Iggy must have read the legal reports! My band played that version of the song in front of my whole high school during a battle of the bands. None of the adults deciphered the lyrics, but a lot of the students did. Then our drummer decided to get off of his stool and go do the "worm" on the floor. Anyone remember that dance from the Gong Show? Blakc Flag also created new lyrics for the song, including the immortal "who needs love to have any fun/who needs love when you've got a gun." Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:20:01 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Louie Louie >>I don't think they even do "Louie Louie" on _Metallic KO_, but I could be >>wrong. >> > >They do, they do! In fact, a lot of the "misinterpreted" lyrics are the >ones Iggy used "i.e. 'she's not the kind I lay at home,' 'she's got a rag on >so I move above'" Iggy must have read the legal reports! Iggy can read? No but seriously, I've got the single-LP version of METALLIC KO (the double-LP version allegedly contains the whole gig) and I love it lots. Tincture of evil for the heart cockles. According to John Strausbaugh, KING BISCUIT FLOWER HOUR PRESENTS IGGY POP, from 1988's INSTINCT tour is "one of the best live LPs in rock history." Then again Mr. Strausbaugh believes performers over 50 shouldn't perform rock and roll and critics over 50 shouldn't review it, Andy A week after my birthday, I had to go to Atlanta for a solo performance. The first night I was there, I went out with a guy friend of mine and, for kicks, we decided to go to a straight bar. It was there that I met a beautiful Britney Spears look-alike, wearing this funky cowboy hat. She saw me across the room, and I looked at her and said, "Give me your hat." I snatched it right off her head and put it on. We ended up going out all night long, she and her friends and me and mine. We went to a strip club. The girls in the club recognized me, and all of them wanted to dance at our table. It was a crazy good time, and I enjoyed the attention. I liked having every dancer come up and ask me to do a shot with them or just dance in my face. [--Melissa Etheridge, from THE TRUTH IS...MY LIFE N LOVE AND MUSIC, written with Laura Morton] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:30:14 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aaliyah (ns) >Loudfans who are interested in wacky genre >fusions should check out the Timbaland-produced >Missy Eliot single (best described as >Bollywood meets pop-rap) 'Get Ur Freak On' >(and no, I'm not going to quote the lyrics out >of context...) Yes, I'd never heard of Timbaland, but this song and the four or five gears it shifts from beginning to end fascinated me (still does) from the first time I ran across it on MTV. Hit me, hit me! Gimme some new shit! Gimme some new shit! Gimme some new shit! Gimme some new shit! Andy! When I first started to get into writing, it was via music. I'd generate ideas for songs that would turn into stories, then they'd turn into novels. I was biased toward music. I was getting interested in house music at that time, going to clubs and raves, and I wanted to generate that kind of excitement on the page. I'd always liked to read, but when I picked up books I wasn't getting the same kind of excitement from them that I was from going out clubbing. I wanted to get the same kind of feel. I grew up in a place where everybody was a storyteller, but nobody wrote. It was that kind of Celtic, storytelling tradition: everybody would have a story at the pub or at parties, even at the clubs and raves. They were all so interesting. Then I'd read stories in books, and they'd be dead. I got to thinking that it had a lot to do with standard English. I mean, nobody talks like that in cinema, nobody talks like that on television, nobody sounds like that in song. In any other cultural representation, we don't talk like that, so why do we in the novel? Basically, particularly in Britain, it's a hegemonic thing that people who write tend to come from the leisure classes. They can afford the time and the books. They tend to be public schooled, Oxford types: writers. Consequently, you have exactly the same narrative voice. It's alright to do the vernacular in dialogue, but the narrative voice is always kept in standard English. It's a basic question, really: how do people think, in standard English or in colloquialisms? - --Irvine Welsh, from an interview with Dave Welch at http://www.powells.com/authors/welsh.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:52:35 EDT From: Vivebonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] there is no doubt... Elvis Costello's demos are better than most artists' studio tracks. Or put another way, EC gets more done before 5 am than most other musicians accomplish in a day. Why is this man still toiling away in borderline obscurity nearly a quarter century into his career? When he dies, will he FINALLY get the credit he deserves? I don't think these reissues could be topped (unless the next generation has bonus media where a hologram of Elvis plays the songs in your living room or something...lol). Elvis. An army of one. - -Mark btw, there is a People magazine special edition out currently on the '80s, (the "Risky Business" era Tom Cruise is on the cover) and a write up on Mr. Macmanus is included in the music section. Since I imagine most list members would probably not consider looking at this magazine (or would never admit to it), I thought I'd mention this. Pretty good (albeit light) reading if pop culture interests you, though I imagine the current wave of eighties revival radio stations and Members Only jacket scouring in thrift stores by teenagers has to go bust before too long. David Byrne on nostalgia: "My favorite kind of nostalgia is nostalgia for a time or place one never experienced. Nostalgia for an imaginary past. And then there is nostalgia for the future--for a future that never happened. These are good nostalgias. Ordinary nostalgia is creepy and boring, though." (AP magazine, October) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:55:21 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: Re: [loud-fans] there is no doubt... On 9/4/01, Vivebonpop@aol.com wrote: >Elvis Costello's demos are better than most artists' studio tracks. >Or put another way, EC gets more done before 5 am than most other >musicians accomplish in a day. Why is this man still toiling away >in borderline obscurity nearly a quarter century into his career? Well, he's not; based on my admittedly subjective impression of the mainstream music press in the last ten years, he gets about the same amount of coverage and respect as (Sir) Paul McCartney. And I'm far from sure he'd describe his work as "toil" given the exuberant joy he has radiated in every cameo, public appearance and live performance I've seen him in during the same period. But if he were, it might be because he seems to have given up the kind of challenging material he achieved fame for twenty years ago in favor of lite-pop schmaltz and crooner tunes his limited voice is not capable of delivering effectively. >When he dies, will he FINALLY get the credit he deserves? Yes--and more. It's the way the mass media work. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:45:58 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: [loud-fans] Sorry Fugu... Been following Fugu for over a month, since the French import made a splash at the othermusic.com website. Anyone else? I find the music incredibly entrancing. Fugu is a frenchman named Mehdi Zannad who leads a 25-piece "orchestra" through some of the more interesting rock and pop music I've heard in a while. It's finally widely available on our shores thanks to minty fresh. Don't take my word for it, check this link...for a limited time, you can listen to this entire disc...Highly recommended from here, I think this one hits my year's top ten with a bullet. http://mintyfresh.com/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:34:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Louie Louie On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > >>I don't think they even do "Louie Louie" on _Metallic KO_, but I could be > >>wrong. > > > >They do, they do! In fact, a lot of the "misinterpreted" lyrics are the > > Iggy can read? Valedictorian, Pioneer High School, Ann Arbor, MI. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:10:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] too many notes Once in a while, we talk about music on this list. Me, I'm a trend-follower, so I'm just going to follow right along on that trend. I picked up the second Nuggets box the other day, and it appears that someone in California had some Australian and NZ garage-rock records in the early '80s, since both the Three O'Clock ("Sorry" - the Easybeats*) and the Bangles ("How Is the Air Up There?" - the La De Das) covered those southernly exposed tunes back then. Also: the version of the Idle Race's "Imposters of Life's Magazine" that's on the set seems to be a different mix from the one I'm familiar with (which came to me courtesy of one of Stewart Mason's mix tapes) - are there two versions of that track out there? (* I originally typed "Easybeast" - which is, I think, the name of dmw's band in its Muzak incarnation.) Also: dire news from the world of what a newspaper article calls "classic rock," apparently including such renowned and feted (oops - should be "fetid" maybe?) acts as Survivor, Toto, Orleans, the Beaver Brown Band, and of course, Loverboy. These folks, among a handful of musicians whose music might actually be called "classic," have a new scheme to leach a few more bucks from the ol' cash cows: they're rerecording their hits, or releasing live versions of same, online at a site called rockforever.com. (Not to be confused with "rockfordfever.com" - the James Garner Fan Club site, I think.) Finally, we've talked about whether chart hits are any good, about whether there are as many great albums today as there once were, but what we haven't necessarily noted is that there are just plain too many CDs being released. Everyone just stop putting out records and give us a chance to catch up, will ya? The latest issue of _Magnet_ yields the following items I'd really like to buy, but lack some combination of time and money to do so: Preston School of Industry, Eno/Schwalm, Summer Hymns, Mazarin, Apples in Stereo, Clem Snide, Superchunk, Mercury Rev, Sparklehorse, Beulah, Velvet Underground (set of '69 bootlegs), Rebecca Gates, Stereolab, Grant-Lee Phillips, His Name Is Alive, Airport 5 (plus 3 other Pollard/ Sprout related items), Radio Birdman, Belle & Sebastian, Marmoset, Solex, Ida, Ken Stringfellow, the Clinic, Quasi, Death Cab for Cutie, the Faint, Jon Auer, Bjork (lucky swan!), Elvis C. reissues, and doubtless more. Discuss artists listed herein. (My start: gotta disagree w/JDC re what Elvis can and can't sing, and that his material of the last 20 years is "less challenging.") Oh - and what's this here on page 116? An ad for some record company named after a number...with two releases by folks beginning with "B." We are powerless before the great force of advertising: must buy, must buy... (www.125records.com) Also: just got Tim Walters' care package of CDs in trade from The Great CD Giveaway of 2001 (thanks! your package in tmw's mail), including the debut from Chocolate Genius - and I'm wondering, was "Half a Man" a huge, giant hit? Because it sounded just way familiar the first time I heard it - like it's a classic song that everyone knows. Or maybe it just is. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb:: __Batman__ np: Nuggets II disc one ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:44:29 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] too many notes At 11:10 PM 9/4/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Also: the version of the Idle Race's >"Imposters of Life's Magazine" that's on the set seems to be a different >mix from the one I'm familiar with (which came to me courtesy of one of >Stewart Mason's mix tapes) - are there two versions of that track out >there? The version on that tape I sent you many moons ago is a demo from a bootleg called...um, I forget, I sold it for a ridiculous amount eBay a while back. So there's only one officially released version. S "Fill my plate with gravy, gravy man." --Ivor Cutler, 1962 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:52:26 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sorry Fugu... At 10:45 PM 9/4/01 -0500, triggercut wrote: >I find the music incredibly entrancing. Fugu is a frenchman named Mehdi >Zannad who leads a 25-piece "orchestra" through some of the more >interesting rock and pop music I've heard in a while. It's finally >widely available on our shores thanks to minty fresh. Zannad's primary collaborator in Fuguosity (at least on his earlier records) is a Liverpool expatriate named John Cunningham, whose records are highly highly recommended if you like Shack, Bill Pritchard or the last couple Prefab Sprout albums. (Think acoustic guitars, pianos and occasional bits of trumpet and cello.) I think HOMELESS HOUSE, from 1999, is probably the easiest to find, but I think even that one's elusive. In particular, I think this album's got Dana Paoli and Carolyn Dorsey written all over it. S "Fill my plate with gravy, gravy man." --Ivor Cutler, 1962 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:20:59 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sorry Fugu... Just listened to it again, and I'm struck by the fact that from an arrangement and vocal standpoint, Zannad sounds uncannily like Emmitt Rhodes... Stewart Mason wrote: > > At 10:45 PM 9/4/01 -0500, triggercut wrote: > >I find the music incredibly entrancing. Fugu is a frenchman named Mehdi > >Zannad who leads a 25-piece "orchestra" through some of the more > >interesting rock and pop music I've heard in a while. It's finally > >widely available on our shores thanks to minty fresh. > > Zannad's primary collaborator in Fuguosity (at least on his earlier > records) is a Liverpool expatriate named John Cunningham, whose records are > highly highly recommended if you like Shack, Bill Pritchard or the last > couple Prefab Sprout albums. (Think acoustic guitars, pianos and > occasional bits of trumpet and cello.) I think HOMELESS HOUSE, from 1999, > is probably the easiest to find, but I think even that one's elusive. > > In particular, I think this album's got Dana Paoli and Carolyn Dorsey > written all over it. > > S > > "Fill my plate with gravy, gravy man." > --Ivor Cutler, 1962 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:40:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] A Lion is In the Streets I discovered today that there was a popular novel from 1945 called, _A Lion is in the Streets_ by Adria Locke Langley. This book was later turned into a 1953 James Cagney movie. I've read Kristine's account in the archives that the title was Scott misunderstanding "There are no lines in the street," but always one to slight authorial intent, I still find this interesting, especially since we already have a couple other 1950s references in the song ("Love is a Many Splendored Thing" for example). Anyway, downgrading this post to purely footnote status, looking over what Anthonly Lane had to say about the book (in a 95 New Yorker article on the top ten books from July 1945), and plot summaries of the movie, I can't find any reason for alluding to this book/movie in the song. But hey, as long as I'm throwing out the author's intent, give me time! - --Michael ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #222 *******************************