From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #218 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, September 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 218 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] RE "Louie Louie" [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] RE "Louie Louie" ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] RE "Louie Louie" [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] aaliyah (ns) [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: dux ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] aaliyah (ns) [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] UK pop also sucks [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] The Future of Mp3 [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:47:27 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE "Louie Louie" At 05:40 PM 8/31/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >What truly amazes me about this episode is that, even after the FBI >obtained the published lyrics (and it took them months to even figure out >that maybe they could do so), the "investigation" continued - even though, >once the lyrics are in front of you, it's obvious that that's exactly what >the Kingsmen's singer is singing. What I've always found amusing about this case is that while Jack Ely isn't singing anything dirty, there *is* a semi-hidden obscenity in the Kingsmen's version of "Louie Louie." Listen to the background just before Ely starts singing the second verse. It's like John's "fuckin' 'ell" in "Hey Jude," you don't notice it until you listen, but once you hear it, you can't *not* hear it. S "Fill my plate with gravy, gravy man." --Ivor Cutler, 1962 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:48:50 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE "Louie Louie" >Here's a story about the supposedly obscene lyrics: > >http://www.apbnews.com/media/gfiles/louie/ More Louie goodies here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/louie/louie.shtml Though I can't find the "indecipherable at any speed" line... Two older Northwest versions of the song (one previously released, one not) on the STOMP!, SHOUT!, and WORK IT ON OUT! compilation trilogy Norton just released. Oddly enough Jeffrey, a DJ Screw song does contain the line "he makin' a good piecea change offa movin' that cheese"... Andy > Guessing Jeffrey doesn't blast the DAZED AND CONFUSED albums much, Uh, no...but looking at the track selection, it's not that bad. The late '70s area of horror that I recall most clearly is the whole Journey/Styx axis...the D&C soundtrack emphasizes earlier '70s stuff, more from the hard-rock end of things, just before the point when cheesiness that's charming in retrospect turned into cheesiness that's terrifying, retrospect or otherwise. Y'know, it's hard to explain this - it's quite subjective, I'm sure - but the thing to me that makes chart records hardest to take is when they just reek of product: not only does the band want to get a hit (understandable), but they quite clearly know exactly which buttons to push to get it. So long as there's an actual performance going on, I can sort of tolerate this kind of thing - but once everything becomes ProTools'd into indistinguishable lumps of McProduct, so that the only thing keeping one record straight from another is some remnant of the singer's voice (and more clearly, the image accompanying the singer), that's when it really loses any chance of being charming at any level. With Styx and Journey and those guys, they have the disadvantage of singers whose vocals I just can't stomach, plus this nauseating perspective in which they condescend to their teen audience in the manner of the older, "experienced" 19-year-old gas station attendant who once got a blowjob behind the Burger King talking to his 14-year-old brother about the ways of the world. It's worse that they're actually in the late 20s, early 30s...nowadays, when you have yr Aerosmiths doing this, it's almost fascinating in a sort of car-wreck fashion: Grampa Stevie's puttin' the moves on Grampa Joe's granddaughter! All of this ought to explain why "Louie Louie" is a great record: what you hear is pretty much exactly what you get - a bunch of drunken guys kicking hell out of a trashy little song that they just love to death. That they probably really really wanted a hit just helps them in this case, both because of the sort of naiveti about how to get a hit and because, back then, you *could* do so. Nowadays, before Jack Ely drank his first shot of tequila, he'd've had to have had forty-eight meetings with managers, consultants, DJs, producers, wardrobe managers, lighting directors, what all - and "Louie Louie" would come out exactly like thirty other records and would only succeed due to Mr. Ely's success at dance moves, tattooing, and "edgy" facial hair. What were the other two tracks Tim dissed? Oh yeah - "YMCA" and "Safety Dance." "YMCA" gets the okay cuz it's just fun - plus the whole "we're gay and everyone knows it but we'll pretend we're not, and we'll pretend this song isn't about picking up guys at the Y, nudge nudge wink wink" thing probably couldn't have existed in exactly the same mix of open secret and exuberance at any other era. "Safety Dance"? Eh...it's a pretty lame piece of work, admittedly - it has kind of the dorky charm of someone's high school yearbook photo: "you mean you actually wore that hair without losing a bet?" I mean, c'mon: what the fock is a "safety dance" anyway? Plus there's still some air in the mix - synths and production levels weren't quite so freezedried then. Things change, though - and even recently there've been some decent signs. I mean, Weezer's record sold pretty well, no? They're not the world's greatest band or anything, but there's something real going on there. - --Jeffrey Norman, from an e-mail this morning (courtesy Jeffrey Norman) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:05:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE "Louie Louie" On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > More Louie goodies here: > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/louie/louie.shtml > > Though I can't find the "indecipherable at any speed" line... No, you're thinking of Ralph Nader singing the song while driving a Corvair with no seat belts. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I play the guitar. Sometimes I play the fool:: __John Lennon__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:08:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aaliyah (ns) > Hornbyesque - adj. Used to describe a writer who, for "humorous" effect, > quotes song lyrics, which were never intended to stand alone on the > printed page, in an attempt to make them and their author seem unworthy > of serious consideration. On a blackboard at Springfield Elementry: POETRY T.S. Eliot W.H. Auden Jewel - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:09:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] future celebrity convocation http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/condit1.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:13:47 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aaliyah (ns) Wow, Nick Hornby was the first writer to ever do this? Jesus, he oughta sue that Steve Allen bastard! >>>>>>>>>>> Ok, I confess. It was Steve Allen who I saw do the "rock lyrics in a mock-serious voice" routine, using "Hot Stuff" as his text. It really cracked me up at the time. Especially when he got to the part where he said, "Hot, hot, hot, hot, hot [with emphasis], hot, hot, hot." I don't think my babysitter was as amused, but she was always getting stoned and listening to Pink Floyd, so what did she know? I do know that Peter Sellers used to slay 'em doing it as well back in the 60's. Except he used the Beatles' lyrics. He even pressed a record of it, so you could enjoy the hilarity time and time again. What distinguishes Nick Hornby is the brave way that he's brought this timeless classic into the 21st century. And, JRT, I don't have internet access at home, so if you really loved me you'd tell me what's at the end of that tantalizing link that you posted. But you don't love me, so I guess I'll never know. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:27:52 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aaliyah (ns) At 07:13 PM 8/31/01 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: >I do know that Peter Sellers used to slay 'em doing it as well back in >the 60's. Except he used the Beatles' lyrics. He even pressed a record >of it, so you could enjoy the hilarity time and time again. Well, the Peter Sellers tracks don't really count, because he wasn't mocking the songs (George Martin produced Sellers' records, and I don't think he'd allow a straight-up pisstake), he was performing them as characters. "She Loves You" as Dr. Strangelove, for example. Steve Allen was doing this as early as "Be-Bop-A-Lula," though. S "Fill my plate with gravy, gravy man." --Ivor Cutler, 1962 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:16:29 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: dux > A FUNERAL TO DIE FOR is one of their all-time classics, I think. And it was a particularly nice touch to put "GOING FOR THE KILL" on the back cover of the same issue... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:48:24 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aaliyah (ns) In a message dated 8/31/01 4:19:29 PM, dana-boy@juno.com writes: << And, JRT, I don't have internet access at home, so if you really loved me you'd tell me what's at the end of that tantalizing link that you posted. But you don't love me, so I guess I'll never know. >> So we can all, loved and unloved alike, appreciate the power of anti-Hornbyesquism: N.Y. Post Tightens Security After Fiery Aaliyah Column By Brian Steinberg Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--The New York Post had to tighten security precautions Friday after the newspaper received several threats in response to a controversial opinion column written about Aaliyah, a pop singer who was killed late last week in a tragic plane crash. Two Post staffers said that the newspaper, owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. (NWS), was making all employees show identification passes in order to gain entrance to its offices. The apparent source of the outrage is a column appearing in Friday's Post penned by Rod Dreher. Titled "Sure her death's tragic - but this is too much," the article calls the pop chanteuse "a beloved daughter but undistinguished singer of forgettable pop songs," and suggests the public attention attracted by Aaliyah's New York funeral was unwarranted. A call to the Post's city desk seeking comment from Dreher was referred to Rubenstein Associates, the paper's public relations representative. A Post spokesman at Rubenstein was unable to offer immediate comment. One Post staffer suggested that the newspaper may have received a bomb threat. A spokeswoman from the New York City Police Department couldn't confirm any report of a bomb scare at the newspaper. A security worker at the Post declined to comment. Other Aaliyah outbursts have raised public ire this week. According to a report in the New York Daily News Friday, WQHT, a New York urban-format radio station, suspended morning-show host Troi Torain, also known as "Star," after he mocked Aaliyah's death on his program Monday. WQHT is owned by Emmis Communications Corp. (EMMS). - -Brian Steinberg, Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-5218; Brian.Steinberg@dowjones.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:53:27 -0500 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] UK pop also sucks > When it comes right down to it, preferring Oasis to Matchbox Twenty is > as blind an act of cultural chauvinism as preferring Tony Blair to Bill > Clinton. More at - http://slate.msn.com/culturebox/entries/01-08-31_114581.asp - - Steve __________ Which wild child daughter of a politico was smoking pot at an L.A. party? The hard-partying lass puffed right under the nose of the minders who try to keep her out of trouble. Answer: Jenna Bush - New York Post, 7/25/01 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:02:49 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Future of Mp3 On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 02:19 PM, Chris Prew wrote: > Really now...are Mp3s going away? I heard that the MP3 codec is a > copyrighted technology and that some people think that MP3 will go away > in > favor of a new compression standard. Is this true? The real threat is from Microsoft (so what's new), who wants to replace all MP3 apps with Windows Media Player, and will be taking OS related steps to do it. - - Steve __________ A U.S. anti-missile weapon was able to destroy a test warhead in space on July 14 partly because a beacon on the target signaled its location during much of the flight, defense officials said on Friday. - Reuters, 07/27/01 ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #218 *******************************