From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #214 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, August 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 214 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Darius Quan (ns at all) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] yet more pix on gametheoryphotos ["robert toren" ] Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] The Rhino Elvis/Mini Simon and Garfunkel LPs ["Joseph M. ] Re: [loud-fans] The Rhino Elvis/Mini Simon and Garfunkel LPs ["Andrew Ham] Re: [loud-fans] The Rhino Elvis/Mini Simon and Garfunkel LPs [Roger Winst] RE: [loud-fans] The Rhino Elvis/Mini Simon and Garfunkel LPs [Elizabeth S] [loud-fans] RE: neko case ["Brett Milano" ] Re: [loud-fans] I'm BAAACK!!! [Chris Burns ] [loud-fans] Song help! ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux (again?!) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux (again?!) ["glenn mcdonald" ] [loud-fans] obscure single? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:07:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Darius Quan (ns at all) On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > So does anyone know what the deal is with dARIUS and his mishmash of > Subgenius/Freemason related inspiration. Here on Juno we don't get much > random spam, so I usually assume that stuff like this is related to > advertising. Is there a new movie, videogame, or NSYNC album coming out > that this relates to? Mr. Hamlin? > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > From: "dARIUS qUAN" > For it is written in the eyeinthepyramid... That reminds me...apparently, the latest trend in band names is... runningallthewordstogetherwithnospace. I saw a poster for some punk-rock festival up in Green Bay, and of ten bands listed, three of them had names in this format. Thankfully, none of the other bands had names like tHIS, lIkE tHiS, or otherwise pathetically attempting to gain distinctiveness through typographical fooferaw. We don't like Scott Miller anymore, apparently. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::In terms of the conjunctures of cultures, [LA is] less like a salad bowl ::and more like a TV dinner with those little aluminium barriers keeping ::all the vegetables in their places. __Catherine Ann Driscoll__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:18:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Michael Mitton wrote: > So here's my theory (written for fiction, although I think it basically > applies to music as well): Pulp fiction is usually pretty interchangeable. > > In the past 30-40 years, the book business has changed quite a bit. > > At the same time, independent bookstores have been replaced by B&N and > Border's. The same process works here. They don't need to stock their > display windows with every romance author out there; they only need to > pick one or two, and leave it at that. With independend booksellers, they > might each choose a different author for their displays, but B&N makes a > corporate decision and awards a limited few with promotion. > All of this has the effect of concentrating consumers' pulp fiction > purchases onto a smaller number of authors. I'd have to agree w/this analysis for the most part, and with a few exceptions, I think it can transferred to music. "Pulp music" (to coin a term) is more trend-driven, I think, than fiction - so that while Danielle Steele and John Grisham can reliably crank out books that sell, for years and years, the same is not true in music. There's more of an appetite for the new name and the new face. All that really means, though, is that last year's model gets replaced with this year's: consumers happily replace Diva X with Diva Y, Boyband A with Boyband B, etc. The consolidation argument also works here. I'd note, though, that displays at B&N are a little less monolithic than at the corresponding music outlets - and that one can find a number of decent books there, whereas good luck trying to find decent records at Sam Goody's or whatever. (I notice also that prices are roughly the same - if not lower - at the book megachains, whereas a lot of the mall chains' prices are considerably higher than those at independent record stores.) > Very happy that Michael Zwirn reported on the Neko Case show, because > all I could think of to write was "I'm in love with Neko," Alas, or so I've been told, guys like you and me apparently stand no chance w/the lovely Ms. Case - a matter of biology. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I play the guitar. Sometimes I play the fool:: __John Lennon__ np: Husikesque _Green Blue Fire_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:52:46 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I'm BAAACK!!! Isn't "anti-matter" supposed to be hyphenated? - --D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:40:38 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Rhino Elvis/Mini Simon and Garfunkel LPs << Ah, the late Nancy Walker. Director of CAN'T STOP THE MUSIC, by which I >was > severely traumatized, age 12. >> > >Understood. Didn't Jeff Goldblum (sp?) have a part in that film? I do >remember the immortal line of CSTM: >"Leathermen don't get nervous!" Hm...no listing for Goldblum in the cast. Sorry--CSTM? I must sadly report that Glenn Hughes, the Leatherman, died in NYC on March 4 of this year. And yes, he was lowered down into his grave wearing his leathers. Tell the wind don't blow, Andy "A million million spermatozoa All of them alive; Out of their cataclysm but one poor Noah Dare hope to survive. And among that billion minus one Might have chanced to be Shakespeare, another Newton, a new Donne-- But the One was Me." - --Aldous Huxley, from "Fifth Philosopher's Song" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:05:07 EDT From: Vivabonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux In a message dated 8/29/01 12:35:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mlmitton@phoenix.Princeton.EDU writes: << I've been mulling over reasons for why the top 10 bestsellers in books suck so much these days, and also for music (at least according to Hornby, though some here dispute that) >> Speaking of Hornby, I wanted to mention how impressed I am with his latest work. HIGH FIDELITY was of course wonderful...I was struck by his grasp of the (hetero?) male psyche (I learned a lot) in that book, and ABOUT A BOY is a friend's favorite, but now, he's writing from the point of view of a middle aged woman in HOW TO BE GOOD, and it is very convincing. I read passages from the new book to a friend of mine in her early forties...she's been having an affair, dissatisfied in her marriage, pondering divorce, and she told me that Hornby was right on the button, putting thoughts she had about her own situation down so eloquently onto paper, like he looked into her mind and read her inner monologue. I suppose you don't get to write for The New Yorker if you ain't somethin'. He's already proven he has quite a grasp of modern relationships...he's also able to transcend his own gender, write from the other, and do it well. I wouldn't be surprised if the day comes when Hornby makes college English professors' reading lists as required reading of an author from this era, (post-postmodern?) like say, Kurt Vonnegut from his, or Hemingway from his. - -Mark "Just don't take anything where they make you read BEOWULF." (amen to that) Woody Allen as Alvie Singer, "Annie Hall" np Quasi "The Sword of God" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:11:09 EDT From: Vivabonpop@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I'm BAAACK!!! In a message dated 8/29/01 10:48:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com writes: << Isn't "anti-matter" supposed to be hyphenated? --D >> Not according to my Websters II New Riverside University Dictionary. I wondered that meself before I sent that post. M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:17:42 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I'm BAAACK!!! ><< Isn't "anti-matter" supposed to be hyphenated? >Not according to my Websters II New Riverside University Dictionary. I >wondered that meself before I sent that post. Under water, does it matter, anti-matter? Nuclear, reactor. Boom boom boom boom. (Guitar solo) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:16:17 +0000 From: "robert toren" Subject: [loud-fans] yet more pix on gametheoryphotos Michael Quercio has come up: so i put up a picture of he & Scott backstage on the 1988 2-steps tour_ plus a handful more for those checking them out, i'm putting most of the pix in the Picture section where there are thumbnails, rather than the File section_ but there are new pictures in both Reminder: it's okay by me to use these pix anyway you like_ especially to promote Scott music best, Robert blah blah blah Mr. Sensitive :-P _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:21:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I'm BAAACK!!! On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > Isn't "anti-matter" supposed to be hyphenated? Only with an anti-hyphen. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I play the guitar. Sometimes I play the fool:: __John Lennon__ np: The Mewling Stevens _I Am Sadder Than You_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:27:00 -0700 From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux on 8/29/01 7:18 AM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >> Very happy that Michael Zwirn reported on the Neko Case show, because >> all I could think of to write was "I'm in love with Neko," > > Alas, or so I've been told, guys like you and me apparently stand no > chance w/the lovely Ms. Case - a matter of biology. A-ha. That WOULD explain some of the demographics at the Portland show. I was just wondering offhandedly if trad-country had a disproportionate lesbian fanbase. Perhaps not. It would certainly explain the drunken woman cooing at Neko during the first couple of songs - and perhaps, Neko's one-liner about going backstage with Rebecca Gates to neck after the show. "We just wrap our necks around each other. It's a goose thing. Very sexy." Michael - ------------------------------------------------------- Michael Zwirn michael@zwirn.com Home 503/232-8919 Cell 503/887-9800 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:56:20 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux I suppose you don't get to write for The New Yorker if you ain't somethin'. He's already proven he has quite a grasp of modern relationships...he's also able to transcend his own gender, write from the other, and do it well. I wouldn't be surprised if the day comes when Hornby makes college English professors' reading lists as required reading of an author from this era, (post-postmodern?) like say, Kurt Vonnegut from his, or Hemingway from his. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a very nice article by Jane Dark in the new Village Voice, discussing Nick Hornby's recent article in the New Yorker. I'm particularly fond of Ms. Dark's piece, brief as it is, as it essentially repeats exactly what I said, although she's a better writer than I am. My favorite quote: "The failure of The New Yorker to employ a pop critic was for years a sign of retrograde snobbery. It turns out they mean not to remedy this position but consolidate it. The article does the same job as not having a critic, but more energetically: it insists that pop music is beneath discussion, if not quite beneath contempt." I assume that the article is available online. Title is "Nick (Out) of Time: How To Be Smug." - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:21:39 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux > There's a very nice article by Jane Dark in the new Village Voice, > discussing Nick Hornby's recent article in the New Yorker. I think Dark has what might be some good points; too bad they are merely asserted, instead of supported and argued, in if anything an even more smug and audience-flattering manner than Hornby's. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:01:37 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux > There's a very nice article by Jane Dark in the new Village Voice, > discussing Nick Hornby's recent article in the New Yorker. I think Dark has what might be some good points; too bad they are merely asserted, instead of supported and argued, in if anything an even more smug and audience-flattering manner than Hornby's. >>>>>>>> I suspect that Aaliyah cut into her space [this seems likely, looking at the printed version of the Voice]. Regardless, I think that Jane Dark gets to the basic problems with his article in a very succinct way. I don't read it as smug or audience-flattering, but since she's arguing my side I'll grant that I might be less sensitive to that. Still, given the word-count that Hornby had vs. Dark, I'd cut her some slack on the supporting and arguing front. She hits the main points in a 1/3 page article, which I admire. - --dana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:18:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Rhino Elvis/Mini Simon and Garfunkel LPs That's because it's Steve Gutenberg. On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > << Ah, the late Nancy Walker. Director of CAN'T STOP THE MUSIC, by which I > >was > > severely traumatized, age 12. >> > > > >Understood. Didn't Jeff Goldblum (sp?) have a part in that film? I do > >remember the immortal line of CSTM: > >"Leathermen don't get nervous!" > > > Hm...no listing for Goldblum in the cast. Sorry--CSTM? I must sadly report > that Glenn Hughes, the Leatherman, died in NYC on March 4 of this year. And > yes, he was lowered down into his grave wearing his leathers. > > Tell the wind don't blow, > > Andy > > "A million million spermatozoa > All of them alive; > Out of their cataclysm but one poor Noah > Dare hope to survive. > > And among that billion minus one > Might have chanced to be > Shakespeare, another Newton, a new Donne-- > But the One was Me." > > --Aldous Huxley, from "Fifth Philosopher's Song" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:35:11 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Rhino Elvis/Mini Simon and Garfunkel LPs >That's because it's Steve Gutenberg. "Listen to the sound of the cit-aaay..." Okay! Now what the hell is a CSTM? The archive won't say. Did I mention Jandek has a new one out? Andy "I feel a kinship with Balzac. You gotta admire a guy who dies of a caffeine overdose. Shaking and babbling into the next world." - --Jim Munroe, from his novel FLYBOY ACTION FIGURE COMES WITH GASMASK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:42:30 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Rhino Elvis/Mini Simon and Garfunkel LPs "Andrew Hamlin" on 2001/08/29 Wed PM 01:35:11 MDT wrote: > Okay! Now what the hell is a CSTM? The archive won't say. I believe it stands for CAN'T STOP TORMENTING MARK. (CAN'T STOP THE MUSIC, ya numbskull!!) Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:33:43 -0700 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: RE: [loud-fans] The Rhino Elvis/Mini Simon and Garfunkel LPs At 3:37 PM -1000 8/28/01, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: >My only psychic defense against this CSTM line is a line from "Kiss Meets >the Phantom of the Park:" > >"He made Kiss to destroy Kiss and lost." *My* only psychic defense against this KMTPOTP line is another line from KMTPOTP: "Wait a minute, Catman. They are serious." - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:20:03 -0400 From: "Brett Milano" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: neko case ^^ Very happy that Michael Zwirn reported on the Neko Case show, because all I could think of to write was "I'm in love with Neko," Michael I believe she's playin' for the other team, however. Hence the ironic band-name. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:02:45 +0000 From: Chris Burns Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I'm BAAACK!!! Wow! A quote from a Suburban Lawns song (Janitor?) Takes me back to SoCal of the late 70's, Cuckoo's Nest in Costa Mesa to be precise. Now there's a "whatever became of" story I'd like to hear about. Chris Andrew Hamlin wrote: > ><< > Under water, > > does it matter, > > anti-matter? > > Nuclear, reactor. > > Boom boom boom boom. > > (Guitar solo) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:05:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Song help! Does anyone remember a song called "Ricochet Love" from the mid-80's? On Sire Records; I think the band is called Data. Anyone got this song, prefereably in digital form? Thanks, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:15:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux (again?!) On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > There's a very nice article by Jane Dark in the new Village Voice, > discussing Nick Hornby's recent article in the New Yorker. I'm > particularly fond of Ms. Dark's piece, brief as it is, as it essentially > repeats exactly what I said, although she's a better writer than I am. I don't think she is. First, if her title ("How to Be Smug") is intended to apply to her article, I'd have to say it's quite apt. Second, when she writes that Hornby "looks at his Top Ten list and sees only dismissable ... crap, as distinct from the canon fodder of his youth (Stones, Aretha) and arty stuff he favors now (Joe Henry, Olu Dara)," she misreads Hornby's take on the top ten, which did in fact find a few things relatively worthwhile in that list. And you know it's always good to diss someone else's taste by calling it "arty" - nothing worse than that "art" crap when you're trying to call someone else a snob. And what the hell does "You will notice that this is not, in fact, a thought" mean? Of course it's a "thought"...or at least, her essay gives little evidence that she has any better idea what a "thought" might be. And the windup of her little "allegorical" turn at the end is awfully pathetic: yes, if you support the _New Yorker_, you're indulging in self-hatred - and paying for it! Rally 'round the flag, boys and girls - those big boys and girls are pickin' on us! There is no "pop" nation, or "lo" nation - and I really don't see why anyone should have to apologize for disliking something - any more than anyone should have to apologize for liking something. She does, however, have the beginnings of a "thought" here: "Why, after all, would a music critic suppose that some of music's meaning might be located in the music?" It is true that too many music critics pay too much attention to lyrics, at the expense of sound. But there are two very good reasons for that ("very good" in the sense of "explaining well," not "justifying"): most journalists are trained as *journalists*, not musicians; and it's much easier to describe words in words than it is to describe music in words. Anyway, a lot of fans do relate to music primarily by its lyrics - so it's not a total waste of time to do so. As far as I can tell, Jane Dark (and I'm certain that's her real name - surely no one would choose a pseudonym so lame) believes that pop music is continually under siege, and therefore anyone who dares to admit they dislike any of it is one of Them - particularly if they like "arty" things, pinkie portruding skyward from baby-smooth hands. I would be curious, though, to hear what Ms. Dark actually likes, and why. That's a position that's been somewhat absent: a few folks here have said such-and-such a top-ten track has good production, a nice tune, etc. But I've yet to hear anyone contend that as many songs from this year's top ten are likely to be listened to and respected fifteen, twenty years from now. (I'm sure I will now - esp. if I forgot someone having done so previously.) As I've said, what I find most interesting about this whole debate is its weird snobs/slobs undertone, in which many feel compelled to defend the slobs, as it simply wouldn't do to defend the snobs. Going back to the top ten the week Hornby wrote it: I'll be curious to see how many of those titles end up on any Loudfans' year-end top ten lists - because looking back, the answer typically has been: very few. I suppose that makes us a bunch of aging elitist snobs ought to deny the youth of America their pop music and scary sinful soda pop. Hand me down my walkin' cane.... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::In terms of the conjunctures of cultures, [LA is] less like a salad bowl ::and more like a TV dinner with those little aluminium barriers keeping ::all the vegetables in their places. __Catherine Ann Driscoll__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:35:15 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux (again?!) As far as I can tell, Jane Dark (and I'm certain that's her real name - surely no one would choose a pseudonym so lame) believes that pop music is continually under siege, and therefore anyone who dares to admit they dislike any of it is one of Them - particularly if they like "arty" things, pinkie portruding skyward from baby-smooth hands. I would be curious, though, to hear what Ms. Dark actually likes, and why. That's a position that's been somewhat absent: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I read her piece more as a criticism of Hornby's lameness as a critic. Not as an assertion of anything, pro or con, regarding the top ten of today or yesterday. Which mirrors my own response to Hornby's article. My main reaction to Hornby's article is that it's terribly written, unfunny, unoriginal and unthinkingly mean-spirited. I see that as Dark's point as well. I think that she doesn't mention her own preferences because they're not germane to her critique of Hornby. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:41:20 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux (again?!) > As far as I can tell, Jane Dark (and I'm certain that's her real name - > surely no one would choose a pseudonym so lame) Ms. Dark once criticized a member of LFO for continuing to use the stage name "Rich Nice" at the age of 27. I don't know how old Ms. Dark is, but I do know that his name is Joshua Clover. > I would be curious, though, to hear what Ms. Dark actually likes Well, for a start, here's "her" 2000 Pazz & Jop ballot: http://www.villagevoice.com/specials/pazznjop/00/critic.php3?criticid=112 glenn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:54:04 EDT From: Vivabonpop@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] More book talk The new Douglas Coupland book is out, titled ALL FAMILIES ARE PSYCHOTIC, and it is like heroin for me. I think most Loudfans would really like this book. I must do what I can to promote it, without giving anything away. Inside flap: "It is the year 2001 and the Drummond family, reunited for the first time in years, has gathered near Cape Canaveral to watch the launch into space of their beloved daughter and sister, Sarah. Against the Technicolor unreality of Florida's finest tourist attractions, the Drummonds and their intimates manage to stumble into every illicit activity under the tropical sun--kidnapping, blackmail, gunplay, and black market negotiations, to name a few. They can't seem to avoid disaster at every turn, but what could deteriorate into talk-show cacophony in the hands of a different writer becomes the stuff of a modern epic with Coupland. For all their madness, the only real sin binding the Drummonds together is their fallibility. Even as the Drummonds' lives spin out of control, Coupland reminds us of their humanity at every turn, hammering out a hilarious masterpiece with the keen eye of a cultural critic and the heart and soul of a gifted storyteller. As he circles back and fills us in on the Drummonds' various pasts, he tells not only the characters' stories but also the story of our times--thalidomide, AIDS, born-again Christianity, drugs, divorce, the Internet--all bound together with the familiar glue of family love and madness. Cursed, doomed, and ultimately redeemed, the Drummonds are certain to join the ranks of the greatest families in fiction." Act now and we'll thrown in the Ginsu knives, absolutely free. $24.95 is a hefty chunk for a book yes, but it is a hardcover, and nicely pressed. I got a 30% discount luckily since an old friend works at Barnes and Noble, and rang it up. Buy this book! It wasn't even in the new releases section. I was stunned. We can't have Dougie go disappearing into obscurity, and no book sales. It's bad enough Scott has to have a day job. M np Game Theory "Two Steps from the Middle Ages" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:03:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux (again?!) On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, glenn mcdonald wrote: > Well, for a start, here's "her" 2000 Pazz & Jop ballot: > > http://www.villagevoice.com/specials/pazznjop/00/critic.php3?criticid=112 Aimee Mann? Arty - and "old"! PJ Harvey? Cat Power? Arty squared! And Outkast? I betcha one of those guys at least knows how to pronounce Monet's name (and knows he's not Manet). Okay, there are also a number of top-ten-like folks - Britney Spears, Destiny's Child, Aaliyah (in the singles chart), and...wait! The Go-Betweens?!? Sheesh, can ya be anymore elitist, old-fartish, and arty than that? I'll give her credit: she does actually like, listen to (presumably), and rank this stuff in her top tens. That's fine - I just disagree w/liking it. - -j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:38:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux > > Very happy that Michael Zwirn reported on the Neko Case show, because > > all I could think of to write was "I'm in love with Neko," > > Alas, or so I've been told, guys like you and me apparently stand no > chance w/the lovely Ms. Case - a matter of biology. I don't see how this is a problem...I mean, as long as I'm fantasizing... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:47:36 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Top 10 Redux > > Alas, or so I've been told, guys like you and me apparently stand no > > chance w/the lovely Ms. Case - a matter of biology. > > I don't see how this is a problem...I mean, as long as I'm fantasizing... My motto in this area: if they aren't going to be having sex with me, it doesn't much matter to me who they *are* going to be having sex with. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:54:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] obscure single? Okay - I just had a weird brain warp in which my head thinks that, when I was a kid (that is, late sixties/early seventies), there was a minor hit single called something like "Marmalade" by a band named something like Tin. Or maybe it was the other way 'round. Or maybe someone dosed the leftover fajitas I had for dinner. Any help here? Weird how some former hits disappear while others live on at oldies stations... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The dog-eared pages, the highlighted passages, the margin ::notations...this book has actually been read: it can't be a student's! __Jose Chung__ np: "Hate This Song, You Elitist Snob" The Lo Generation ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:00:34 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure single? At 10:54 PM 8/29/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Okay - I just had a weird brain warp in which my head thinks that, when I >was a kid (that is, late sixties/early seventies), there was a minor hit >single called something like "Marmalade" by a band named something like >Tin. Or maybe it was the other way 'round. Or maybe someone dosed the >leftover fajitas I had for dinner. "Toast and Marmalade For Tea" by Tintin (not the Stephen Duffy group). Sounds just like early Bee Gees, and was in fact produced by Maurice. Great song. S "Fill my plate with gravy, gravy man." --Ivor Cutler, 1962 ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #214 *******************************