From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #200 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, August 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 200 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] sugar on the asphalt [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: Hubleys [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: Hubleys [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] Name That Tune! (Swap Review of Dana's CD) [Jon Gabriel ] Re: [loud-fans] Hornby [Steve Holtebeck ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:33:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] sugar on the asphalt A couple of weeks ago, I was in the car when the DJ at the local college radio station played a track from the new Jimmy Eat World CD. It had come on just as I was nearing my destination, so I think I heard only about two-thirds of it, and I remember being sort of unimpressed, that feeling being reinforced by the fact that I'd been hearing all sorts of good things about the band for the past several years. Despite that, for whatever reason I'd never heard many of their songs, and I couldn't come up with a good mental notion of what they sounded like. Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, floundering around for the first time with my new chat software in the Loudfans Sunday evening chat, Jer Fairall mentioned that he was listening to the new Jimmy Eat World album. I said something like the above, and he noted that if the song was the title track, it was kind of mainstream-y. By coincidence, though, I found myself a few minutes ago listening to the CD that came with the latest CMJ magazine and reading this week's "War Against Silence" column. It so happens that the second song on the CD is that Jimmy Eat World song, and I got to glenn's description of the song just as the song itself was playing. And the thing is, actually hearing the song, while reading glenn's description of it, I realize that yeah, it's definitely a mainstream guitar-rock sound...except that it's mainstream from a few years ago, not now, and that if only songs this catchy and propulsive were on the radio, the radio would be such a better place. Yeah, I'm sure it's very calculated - but I think I feel the same way about this song as I do about Idlewild's _100 Broken Windows_: it sure sounds like the band set out to make the kind of record that would have sold gazillions a few years back, in the wake of the Foo Fighters et al. - but they succeeded so well that I just don't care about the calculation, only the fact that they've solved the problem so well. So hey, maybe I check out the rest of the Jimmy Eat World CD (lame-ass band name notwithstanding). (Oh yeah: next track on the CMJ sampler is Iggy Pop sounding utterly indistinct. I had to check the listing to see what dorky band this was - and then when I saw Iggy's name, had to make sure it was indeed track 3. Sad.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, wondering why the list is so quiet lately J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Drive ten thousand miles across America and you will know more about ::the country than all the institutes of sociology and political science ::put together. __Jean Baudrillard__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:45:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] sugar on the asphalt On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, floundering around for the first time with > my new chat software in the Loudfans Sunday evening chat, Jer Fairall > mentioned that he was listening to the new Jimmy Eat World album. The management would like to apologize for the dangling modifier. Those responsible have been sacked. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:15:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Hubleys On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: [Stewart "The Gallumphing Gourmet" Mason:] > Now, cook up a pan of steel-cut oats, throw in a handful of raisins, a > pat of butter, a drizzle of heavy cream, and a swirl of maple syrup > around the top, and you got yourself a breakfast. But that and maple > flavored instant oatmeal are two very different things. > > (Or conversely, you can get one of the breakfast specialties from my > local favorite breakfast place, The Range Cafe: a Fiestaware bowl filled > with oatmeal, covered with walnuts and strawberries, and -- in an act of > sheer culinary genius -- topped with a scoop of cinnamon ice cream that > melts into the oatmeal, giving it perfectly controlled doses of cream, > sugar and cinnamon.) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > That may work out there in the sticks, but here in the big city time is > money and money is time, and we've got neither to waste mucking about > with Fiestaware at the Range Cafe, and don't even get me started on that > scoop of artery clogging slop you're busy plopping down on your > fancy-pants steel-cut oats, which you're probably eating at the country > club with your fine imported strawberries and your fine imported walnuts, > feeding off of the blood of the working man who had to cut those oats > with a dull piece of steel, day in and day out, with nothing to sustain > him but a bowl of hot, steaming, good old American maple flavored oatmeal > and a spoonful of dreams, but you wouldn't know anything about that, > would you, and don't think we've forgotten what you did to that Chinese > take-out. Sure, Dana - but speaking of Chinese, you do know that the prepackaged oatmeal you so breezily advocate is made entirely by Chinese child slave labor? That six year old kids are shackled hand and foot to tables just high enough that they have to stand on tiptoe, for 20 hours a day, soiling themselves where they stand, with cruel mustachio'd overseers whipping the children frequently and arbitrarily, ordering the children to cut the oats with only their fingernails, and stirring the oats into boiling hot liquid with their fingers, just so your manly American worker can have his quick oatmeal to salve his hangover in the morning before toddling off to work in his gas-guzzling pickup truck? I remember once, I had a hangnail, and it was bleeding, so I was sucking on my finger and thinking about my horrible awful childhood when my older sister stole my teddy bear and tore its ear off, and then I was sad because I couldn't afford a good car, much less a gas-guzzling pickup truck, with the two wheels in back on both sides, and a good stereo, so I could listen to the folk-based indie-rock stylings of my favorite band the Mewling Stevens and their hit record "Last Night I Dreamed Someone Looked at Me Pityingly," and then I remembered that my old Mewling Stevens cassette had gotten lost on the floor, buried beneath the Chinese takeout wrappers in the back seat of my little, slow, eighties vintage Japanese econobox, yes, and when I finally found the cassette, the tape had slackened, and I had to wind it tight with a pencil before playing it, yes, and it was the very same pencil with which I'd written my disconsolate poetry about myself, several years before, and I again remembered my sister destroying my teddy bear, yes, and I thought back again how no one loved my hangnailed self, yes, and I whimpered pathetically, yes, and I cried, yes, I cried, and I said to myself, I am the saddest man who ever lived, yes, and no manly American oatmeal-eating worker would ever pity me, yes, and no piss-stained Chinese factory child would ever share my teddy bear with me, yes, and the Mewling Stevens had broken up after their singer killed a man with a sledgehammer, yes, and the guitarist tried to continue the band but no one cared, yes, it was so sad, yes, and my car is out of gas, and I will cry again because I am the most sad and pathetic boy who ever lived. Yes. Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:53:28 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Hubleys > True fact: One of John & Faith Hubley's best-known creations was the old >"Ruffles have Ridges" commercial, the voice of which was none other than >Georgia. Just one of the tidbits I picked up in Alias days. I know we've done this onlist before--not that I mind! The story as I recall was that Emily was the cute little kid crawling around, but Georgia furnished the voice, because she could roll her "r"s a la Johnny Rotten, and Emily couldn't. Any other Hubleys we're missing here? Andy Aug. 9  A kitten which jumped into a washing machine unnoticed by its owner survived a 20-minute tumble in piping hot water, a Danish paper reported on Wednesday. "He was screaming but I could not open the machine," owner Bianca Marten said. When she finally got three-month-old Sylvester out of the washer he was dizzy and blue from lack of oxygen. The temperature of the water was 70 degrees Celsius (158.00F) during his ordeal, the tabloid B.T. said. Sylvester recovered after treatment at a veterinary clinic in western Denmark. But apparently he has still not learned his lesson as he jumped straight back into the washing machine on returning home. "Now I will always check he is not there before starting my washing machine," Marten said. [--from http://animal.discovery.com/news/reu/20010806/kitten.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:21:37 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Hubleys Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > - -out. > > Sure, Dana - but speaking of Chinese, you do know that the prepackaged > oatmeal you so breezily advocate is made entirely by Chinese child slave > labor? That six year old kids are shackled hand and foot to tables just > high enough that they have to stand on tiptoe, for 20 hours a day, soiling > themselves where they stand, with cruel mustachio'd overseers whipping the > children frequently and arbitrarily, ordering the children to cut the oats > with only their fingernails Not to be overly picky, but instant oats are rolled, not cut. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:27:39 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: Hubleys six year old kids are shackled hand and foot to tables just > high enough that they have to stand on tiptoe, for 20 hours a day, soiling > themselves where they stand, with cruel mustachio'd overseers whipping the > children frequently and arbitrarily, ordering the children to cut the oats > with only their fingernails Not to be overly picky, but instant oats are rolled, not cut. >>>>>>>>> That's in America, Jenny. In the Chinese slave-labor oatmeal camps, they do things the hard way. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Gabriel Subject: [loud-fans] Name That Tune! (Swap Review of Dana's CD) As of this morning, I was three behind in Swap CD/Tape Reviews. As of right now, I am only two behind (I'm working on 'em Jeff and John!) Anyway, several swaps ago (ca. March), I received a swap CD from Dana Paoli. Curiously, he did not include any artist or song names, turning the recording into a whodunit of sorts. I suggest that the rest of the list denizens make a game out of this -- Name That Tune! I can say that I don't own any of the music included, and the only way I was able to identify any of the songs was to do lyric searches on the Net. So here's my spotty, incomplete review, with rankings of 1-3 stars, with the former representing "ehh..." and the latter meaning "woo!" 1) Foreign language: French? Cool first half. Freaky ending with a poor-man's version of Tuvan throat singing.** 2) A Levi's jingle that sounds like it was recorded by Herman's Hermits*** 3) Weird alternate tuning, minor-key guitar instrumental; Cool vocals; Cacophonous ending*** 4) Another Levi's jingle that sounds like Apples (in stereo). The lyric crux: "Wearin' Levi's/is-a-bettah than wearin' pants"*** 5) Redd Cross "Play my Song". Now I see why everyone on this list likes them so much*** 6) Peter Rowan & David Grisman "Time And Again" from Earth Opera (1968). Extra points for obscurity. 7) Clinic "Cement Mixer". Cool, Devo-ish number. Absurd. Cool analog synths.** 8) The Vapours "Trains". Can't go wrong with the Vapes.*** 9) Reminds me of Happy Mondays. Same passive vocal delivery. *** 10) Three "It Feels Like I'm in Love". Fun, punky. ** 11) Women, indie feel. "Wanna go to the zoo with you no one else will do" * 12) Sounds like a rougher version of Hole: "I'm weak, I'm weak, I know I'm so weak" 13) Nick Heyward "The Goodbye Man". Brit power pop. ** 14) Maria McKee "Everybody". What a voice! ** 15) Lyrics include, "Pinch me hard / pinch me real hard." Another Hole-esque offering. 16) Lyrics include, "Stripping for cash..." Sneering vocal delivery. Tinny sound. * 17) Strong guitar wall. Sonic Youth-sounding. Conversational female vox.** Thanks for the intriguing CD Dana, I look forward to hearing what the unidentified songs were. Best, Jon ===== 777777777777777777777777777777 JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa inkling communication + design 777777777777777777777777777777 Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:50:50 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Name That Tune! (Swap Review of Dana's CD) At 02:32 PM 8/16/01 -0700, Jon Gabriel wrote: >16) Lyrics include, "Stripping for cash..." Sneering >vocal delivery. Tinny sound. * This is 1/2-Jap, or at least Jad Fair... Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley And God saw that it was good. _The Holy Bible: The Old Testament_, The First Book of Moses, Called Genesis, chapter 1, verse 10 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:47:36 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Name That Tune! (Swap Review of Dana's CD) Song titles and artists coming tomorrow, when I get to work (that's the computer they're saved on). In the meantime, can anyone tell me about Tim Rose and/or Claire Hamill? It appears that someone is dumping their early 70's folk/rock collection. Anyway, I now have the Tim Rose Edsel reissue entitled "Morning Dew" and would love to know what else might be worth getting. As for Claire Hamill, she's reminding me a little bit of Linda Perhacs, though somewhat less trippy. The album is called "October." Any info/recommendations will be handsomely rewarded with a lifetime supply of maple flavored oatmeal. - --dana On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Jon Gabriel writes: >As of this morning, I was three behind in Swap CD/Tape >Reviews. As of right now, I am only two behind (I'm >working on 'em Jeff and John!) > >Anyway, several swaps ago (ca. March), I received a >swap CD from Dana Paoli. Curiously, he did not include >any artist or song names, turning the recording into a >whodunit of sorts. I suggest that the rest of the list >denizens make a game out of this -- Name That Tune! > >I can say that I don't own any of the music included, >and the only way I was able to identify any of the >songs was to do lyric searches on the Net. So here's >my spotty, incomplete review, with rankings of 1-3 >stars, with the former representing "ehh..." and the >latter meaning "woo!" > >1) Foreign language: French? Cool first half. Freaky >ending with a poor-man's version of Tuvan throat >singing.** > >2) A Levi's jingle that sounds like it was recorded by >Herman's Hermits*** > >3) Weird alternate tuning, minor-key guitar >instrumental; Cool vocals; Cacophonous ending*** > >4) Another Levi's jingle that sounds like Apples (in >stereo). The lyric crux: "Wearin' Levi's/is-a-bettah >than wearin' pants"*** > >5) Redd Cross "Play my Song". Now I see why everyone >on this list likes them so much*** > >6) Peter Rowan & David Grisman "Time And Again" from >Earth Opera (1968). Extra points for obscurity. > >7) Clinic "Cement Mixer". Cool, Devo-ish number. >Absurd. Cool analog synths.** > >8) The Vapours "Trains". Can't go wrong with the >Vapes.*** > >9) Reminds me of Happy Mondays. Same passive vocal >delivery. *** > >10) Three "It Feels Like I'm in Love". Fun, punky. ** > >11) Women, indie feel. "Wanna go to the zoo with you >no one else will do" * > >12) Sounds like a rougher version of Hole: "I'm weak, >I'm weak, I know I'm so weak" > >13) Nick Heyward "The Goodbye Man". Brit power pop. ** > >14) Maria McKee "Everybody". What a voice! ** > >15) Lyrics include, "Pinch me hard / pinch me real >hard." Another Hole-esque offering. > >16) Lyrics include, "Stripping for cash..." Sneering >vocal delivery. Tinny sound. * > >17) Strong guitar wall. Sonic Youth-sounding. >Conversational female vox.** > >Thanks for the intriguing CD Dana, I look forward to >hearing what the unidentified songs were. > >Best, >Jon > >===== >777777777777777777777777777777 >JON GABRIEL mesa, arizona usa >inkling communication + design >777777777777777777777777777777 >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! >Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:16:27 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Hornby OK, I've read the Hornby piece in the New Yorker now, and I'm just not that angry at it. The article's premise is totally idiotic if you were hoping to get incisive criticism, but as a little our-curmudgeonly-hero-visits-strange-lands travel piece I thought it was fine. It's hard for me to imagine what particularly useful purpose was served, however, by Hornby writing this piece *instead* of the one about the Pernice Brothers, Joe Henry, Shuggie Otis and Olu Dara. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:45:15 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hornby glenn mcdonald wrote: > OK, I've read the Hornby piece in the New Yorker now, and I'm just not that > angry at it. The article's premise is totally idiotic if you were hoping to > get incisive criticism, but as a little > our-curmudgeonly-hero-visits-strange-lands travel piece I thought it was > fine. It's hard for me to imagine what particularly useful purpose was > served, however, by Hornby writing this piece *instead* of the one about the > Pernice Brothers, Joe Henry, Shuggie Otis and Olu Dara. In case anyone's curious about this Hornby piece, it's on the New Yorker website at http://www.newyorker.com/THE_CRITICS/A_CRITIC_AT_LARGE/ Also, the satisfied customer at amazon.com dealing with rape, abuse, peer pressure, and self-mutilation was raving about the Staind album, not the Linkin Park album, in case there's a difference between those bands. Steve ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #200 *******************************