From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #191 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, August 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] oops [Roger Winston ] RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost [bbradley@namesecure.com] RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] Hoodleehoo tape revoo #1 [Roger Winston ] RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost ["John Swartzentruber" ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost ["glenn mcdonald" ] RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost ["Andrew Hamlin" ] RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] condiment boy strikes again [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] nicely nicely Clive [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough [bbradley@namesecure.com] RE: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough [John Cooper ] RE: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough [LeftyZ@aol.com] [loud-fans] Apocolypse [LeftyZ@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] nicely nicely Clive [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] more peevage ["amy lewis" ] RE: [loud-fans] nicely nicely Clive [bbradley@namesecure.com] [loud-fans] CD Singles [GlenSarvad@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] nicely nicely Clive [mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew] RE: [loud-fans] nicely nicely Clive [mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew] Re: [loud-fans] Whoops Apocalypse ["West Moran" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost Dana L Paoli on 2001/08/09 Thu PM 03:17:51 MDT wrote: > Personally, I refuse to pay any attention to this kind of thing until the > correct pronunciation of "forte" is restored. I am somewhat blown away by everyone pronouncing "redux" (as in the recently-released APOCALYPSE NOW REDUX) as "reducks", when I always just assumed it was "redo". Oh, how I wish I had an English degree like so many on this List. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 13:38:28 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost At 01:26 PM 8/9/01 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >Dana L Paoli on 2001/08/09 Thu PM 03:17:51 MDT wrote: > >> Personally, I refuse to pay any attention to this kind of thing until the >> correct pronunciation of "forte" is restored. > >I am somewhat blown away by everyone pronouncing "redux" (as in the recently-released APOCALYPSE NOW REDUX) as "reducks", when I always just assumed it was "redo". Oh, how I wish I had an English degree like so many on this List. Actually, "re-ducks" is correct. In an attempt to find out *why* it's correct, I turn to my handy American Heritage dictionary and find out that it comes from the Latin "dux," or leader. It also invites me to "see Duke," but I don't much feel like it. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:38:38 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oops dmw on 2001/08/09 Thu AM 09:34:34 MDT wrote: > listening to 'life is grand' today, with theoretically more trained ears, > i think maybe being a little rough is explicitly a *good* thing for that > tune in particular -- the performance as a whole has a relaxed, slightly > jammy vibe that suits the mood of the composition well. if everything had > been perfectly lined up in a digital workstation, would it have sounded > stiffer? would it have been less likely to become one of my favorite of > their songs? > > i'd love to hear what some more of the real musicians think. All I know is that if you insist on correcting (digitally or otherwise) every damn perceived imperfection, it takes years to finish anything. And nothing kills creativity like wasting time getting every single thing to start exactly on the beat, or getting the pitch of the sung notes exactly right, or whatever. A little of that is good, especially if it's way off to begin with. A lot is bad. (Speaking from bitter experience here.) Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:43:19 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost my list? they're all things i hear regularly. illin'-noise (the state near indiana) acrost the street you better do it or eltse pronounciation jif (like the peanut butter - used in place of .gif in speech. it stands for Graphics Interchange Format. "guh, if" people. unless they change it to Giraffe Interchange Format....) not so regularly: the swimmer drownded irregardless inflammable axe me a question and one my boyfriend uses for reasons unknown: go online and download some pirated juarez when i stopped laughing enough to speak, i 'axed' him why he pronounced it 'juarez'. his answer was, 'that's how everyone on usenet pronounces it'. uh, it's usenet. as in you read it. as in you have no f*@king idea how they pronounce it. he won't give in on that one, either. i tried to explain the relevance of the term 'software' to the pronunciation of 'warez' to no avail. - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:58:28 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost At 12:43 PM 8/9/01 -0700, bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: >inflammable This is actually a word. The English language has two words for things that can catch fire: "flammable" and "inflammable." It's confusing and counter-intuitive, but it's true. :) Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Do not set your heart on wealth . . . Do not strain to seek increases, What you have, let it suffice you. If riches come to you by theft, They will not stay the night with you. . . . They made themselves wings like geese, And flew away to the sky. Amenemope (c. Eleventh century B.C.), _The Instruction of Amenemope_, ch. 7 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:50:20 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Hoodleehoo tape revoo #1 Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey on 2001/08/09 Thu AM 11:48:21 MDT wrote: > and it's too hot for me to leave this air-conditioned room Really? It's only 58 degrees (and drizzly) here. Of course, it was like 90-something yesterday. So who said it was okay for frickin' fall to descend already? I Hate Towelie, Later. --Rog (making up for lost posting time) - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:51:06 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost Brianna writes: "when i stopped laughing enough to speak, i 'axed' him why he pronounced it 'juarez'. his answer was, 'that's how everyone on usenet pronounces it'." Silly boyfriend. The "J" is pronounced Spanish style, as in "Juan," as is the "ez." Thus, it might be spell "juarez," (or, more likely, Ju@r3z), but it pronounced "wares." This might clear things up for him. R. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 16:02:57 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:43:19 -0700, bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: >jif (like the peanut butter - used in place of .gif in speech. it stands >for Graphics Interchange Format. "guh, if" people. unless they change it >to Giraffe Interchange Format....) Sorry. If you create something, you can name it. After calling it "gif" for years, I discovered that the correct pronunciation is indeed "jif". I'm not sure I can back this one up, so you might not want to believe me, but in any case, don't push your point. See http://www.holt.org/pronounce.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 16:12:26 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost On Thu, 09 Aug 2001 16:02:57 -0400, John Swartzentruber wrote: >Sorry. If you create something, you can name it. The part I left out: "According to CompuServe, who invented the format, GIF is pronounced with a soft "G" sound." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:13:23 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost <> agreed. i'm aware of the existance of it, i just don't think anyone should use it. irregardless is also in the dictionary, but so is d'oh. the thing that gets my goat is that people use inflammable consistantly (in the US) to mean that something does NOT burn. it shows up on labels and such all the time. <> yeah, but he KNOWS it's spelled w-a-r-e-z, just insists on pronouncing it Juarez. << I discovered that the correct pronunciation is indeed "jif". I'm not sure I can back this one up, so you might not want to believe me, but in any case, don't push your point. See http://www.holt.org/pronounce.html>> http://instantweb.com/D/dictionary/foldoc.cgi?query=gif /gif/, occasionally /jif/ (GIF, GIF 89A) and irregardless is in the dictionary. so is 'ain't'. doesn't mean they're not stupid. i emailed ron holt of holt.org: -- Graphics - "guh" Interchange - "i" Format - "f" gif. developers be damned, it's the only thing that makes sense. the letters in an acronym should sound like the letters in the words they represent. bah humbug. -- and compuserve's not THAT smart anyhow. besides, if gif(jif) is a service mark of compuserve, i guess is hould call it gif(gif) when i say it, hm? grabbing at straws...... brianna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:20:13 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost brianna: >the letters in an acronym should sound like the letters >in the words they represent. Oh, I hope not. "General Oversight Domain" would lose all it's appeal as jod. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:26:28 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost me: ...Nightwish... Jeffrey: Well... Well, I'm happy you gave them a chance for three samples. There are very substantial differences between Nightwish and, say, Enthroned or Entombed, but if you don't have any hard-core doom-metal experience you may well not realize how much farther the continuum extends. Trust me, no Necrotic Defiler fan thinks Nightwish is "doomy". But I'll grant you that Nightwish is more like doom-metal than they are like Pavement... glenn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:30:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: > pronounciation A couple of weeks ago, NPR did a story on one of the dictionary websites and how you could hear the word pronounced on their site. As the guy from the website explained the whats and whys, he repeatedly said, "ProNOUNciation." Ironically enough, I checked the web site, and it said "proNUNciation." I'm still chuckling. Oh, and, people who say "in spite of" when they clearly mean "despite." - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:36:14 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost > >the letters in an acronym should sound like the letters > >in the words they represent. OK, smarty, let's hear you pronounce NASA "correctly". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:34:07 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost >my childhood has just been permanently ruined by the judgement of people i >respect! > >(jeff, c'mere so i can smack you in the forehead.) don't you know that >falco rocks? hard? Agreeing with my future neighbor here. Though I still don't know why "Jeanny" was supposed to be so controversial. Did I mention that Falco shares a graveyard with a cenotaph to Mozart? Which will break first (the heat wave, or this week's Toast update), Andy By Michael Hill Aug. 8, 2001 | ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) -- As a 19-year-old soldier, Richard Marowitz was among the first American troops to arrive at Dachau concentration camp just before April 30, 1945, the day he helped search Adolf Hitler's house in Munich. Marowitz, who is Jewish, stood on a chair to examine a bedroom closet shelf. He pulled down a black silk top hat, looked inside and saw the initials A.H. stamped on the lining. "I swear to this day I could see his face in it," Marowitz said Tuesday. "I threw it on the floor, jumped off the chair on the hat and smashed the hell out of it. That's how I got Hitler's hat." Now 75 years old and retired, the Albany-area native brings the hat out as a teaching tool for talks to school children about his experiences during World War II. He was in an intelligence and reconnaissance platoon of the 42nd Rainbow Division when he found the hat. Marowitz wore the stomped hat for a few pictures then it went into his duffel bag, where it stayed until the mid 1990s. Although he had not given the hat much thought, his old comrades had. He said the first words out of their mouths at a 1993 reunion were: "Did you bring the hat?" Out came the hat, which is about three-quarters of an inch high. In 1995, the hat was part of an exhibit at the National Museum of American Jewish Military History in Washington, D.C., according to curator Pamela Feltus. The hat also was the subject of an independent documentary. Marowitz said the hat may well disintegrate before he's done using it. He plans to leave it to his children. [--from http://www.salon.com/people/wire/2001/08/08/hitler/index.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:55:52 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost <> ok. you got me there. as for Falco's "Jeanny"... here's a kinda crappy article about it - the only thing i could find: http://www.wykon.com/cyberfalco/english/falco/jeanny.html basically, there was a kidnapping which coincided with the release of the tune, and the father of the victims was upset by the lyrics. he complained and got it pretty much banned throughout europe. as i understand it, this was not a legal banning, but more of a boycott. it was, however, so successful that the song simply was not heard on the radio after that. falco's opint of view is that the girl was still alive (he included songs on subsequent albums such as Coming Home (Jeanny part 2) and Where Are You Now (Jeanny part 3). that's all i know about that. - -- brianna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 17:08:12 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost Stewart Mason wrote: > This seems to be one that nobody but me cares about anymore, but THEY'RE > TWO DIFFERENT FREAKIN' WORDS! I care, Stewart. One that really gets my hackles up is "defunked," and that's not used to mean "had the funk taken out of." Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 15:14:36 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost At 05:08 PM 8/9/01 -0400, jenny grover wrote: >Stewart Mason wrote: > >> This seems to be one that nobody but me cares about anymore, but THEY'RE >> TWO DIFFERENT FREAKIN' WORDS! > >I care, Stewart. One that really gets my hackles up is "defunked," and >that's not used to mean "had the funk taken out of." You mean like what happened to Lionel Richie? S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 17:17:36 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] condiment boy strikes again At 01:07 PM 8/9/2001 -0500, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: >Waitaminnit,whatthefuckisa"riceboymobile"? It's an innately not-fast car, usually a Honda Civic or Accord, tricked out with add-on spoilers, fog lights, exhaust extenders, and lots and lots of fancy decals, designed to make bystanders think it's fast. Apparently it was one of those SoCal fads that have now spread across the United States; there are a few RBMs to be seen in my area of subrural New York. See http://www.riceboypage.com for details. Pet peeve? Not beginning sentences with capitals. MB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:36:25 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost I try not to worry too much about people's usage and pronunciation, given that my own are indifferent at best and that I'm more of a descriptivist than a prescriptivist. "Fortay" and "jiff" don't faze me. However, I must confess to feeling a twinge of annoyance whenever I see "obtuse" used to mean "abstruse" or "obscure" instead of "dull" or "stupid." Rock critics take note. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:52:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] nicely nicely Clive On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > English major rant of the day: > > Reign (v) = Exercise of soverign power, like a king or queen > > Rein (v) = To check or hold back as if in the use of reins Err, uh, I was making a pun? Re Rog's comment, it's still in the '90s here, and the heat haze made me not see that "g." Yeah, that's it... And re ".gif," which, like most not employed in the computer field, I've never had occasion to actually pronounce: so the inventor sez it's pronounced like the peanut butter. Good luck to you on that - since it's the first three letters of the word "gift," and since "get" is not "jet," "git" is not "jit," uh-and "gin" is, uh, "jin," it's likely it will come to be pronounced "gif" regardless of its coiner's intent. There are a zillion examples in the language of terms whose meaning & pronUNciation have changed over time; while that doesn't mean anything goes, after a certain point, one might as well give up...or protest every time someone uses "nice" to mean something other than "foolish, stupid, senseless" (its earliest entry in the OED). Incidentally, most of Brianna's pet peeves fall under the headings of dialectical pronunciations rather than misuses per se (the "eltse" one is just a function of the position of the tongue - it seems we want to stop that "l" with something solid rather than just slide into the "s." Compare the common "t" sound in "dance" ("dants") etc. I like the "juarez" mispronunciation - when I chose my e-mail address, i didn't really think much about it, particularly in terms of how it might be pronounced - and someone (I think it may have been Paula Carino) decided it should be "henyor" as if "jenor" were Spanish. The word "jenor" exists, incidentally: it's a type of soil, apparently (according to the results of a Google search). The word "jeff" has three meanings, two as nouns and one as a verb: circus slang for a rope; a derogatory term formerly used by blacks to describe a boring or hickish white guy; and "to throw or gamble with quadrats [pieces of metal type] as with dice." (By extension, I decree a noun referring to the aftermath of such a session: a riot of type scattered about in a mess is a "jeff.") I'll leave it to others to judge the appropriateness of these meanings. Roger Winston, of course, has the coolest verb synonymous with his first name. And then Jenny Grover wrut: > i suspect it meant that god was coming and that he would reign within > us, through us, rather than as an outside entity like a king; that he > would direct us all in carrying out his will and kingdom. Sort of like a holy waldo? Unfortunately, I carried that idea a step further in my head and decided that someone should name their band "Strap-On God." I'm done - stick a fork in me. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n matches? The Architectural Dance Society candles? www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html matches? candles? np: Jason's swap CD-R - when the Jen Trynin track came on, I coulda sworn it was Freedy Johnston at first. Weird, eh? ps: I've got a bunch of spoken-for CDs boxed up and ready to go - just awaiting trade or cash... buns? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:53:00 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough On 8/9/01, Aaron Milenski wrote (in the message titled "Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost"): >I guess this gives us all license to mention our pet peeves. It >drives me nuts when people who are sick to their stomach say they're >"nauseous." The correct word is "nauseated." I[f] you say you're >"nauseous" you're saying that you make people want to throw up. My pet peeves: - - 'you' appearing for 'your' - - 'effect' for 'affect' - - 'impact' for 'affect' - - bestiality pronounced with a long 'e' (okay, this appears as an alternate pronunciation in my favorite prescriptive dictionary, but to paraphrase Brianna, it still sounds stupid) - - references to 'the dictionary' as if all dictionaries have equivalent goals and authority - - references to 'Webster's' in ignorance of the fact that any moron can write a dictionary and call it 'Webster's' I actually heard a guest on a radio show yesterday--not a caller--refer to a 'descendant' of his who had fought in the Civil War. Incorrect usages that cheer me up as often as not: - - superfluous quotation marks. This almost always provides a laugh. - - 'literally' used to mean 'figuratively'. This usually provides an interesting mental tableau. Dana wrote: >Personally, I refuse to pay any attention to this kind of thing >until the correct pronunciation of "forte" is restored. Yay, Dana! Apocryphal Winston Churchill quote, responding to criticism that he had ended a sentence with a preposition: "This is the sort of pedantic niggling up with which I will not put." Musty old joke about an English professor whose wife walks in on him and his mistress, crying "Horace! I am surprised!": "No, my dear. You are astonished. _I_ am surprised." Re riceboymobiles: I love that there's a name for this kind of thing, but I hate that that's it. There's a garage around the corner from my house where young Asian men hang out with their flabbergastingly souped-up ordinary cars. A lot of the cars have stickers on them for --a fairly fascinating site, maybe worth a look. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:02:49 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost >Oh, and, people who say "in spite of" when they clearly mean "despite." Why? They mean the same thing, and have for centuries. In fact, I believe "despite" is the newcomer--its original use is as a noun roughly synonymous with "contempt" ("happy they that in hell/feel not the world's despite." --John Dowland) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 19:18:36 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: > > However, I must confess to feeling a twinge of annoyance whenever I see "obtuse" > used to mean "abstruse" or "obscure" instead of "dull" or "stupid." Rock critics > take note. Can I use it to describe the weather? It's over 90 degrees. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:14:54 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] nicely nicely Clive Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey on 2001/08/09 Thu PM 04:52:34 MDT wrote: > Roger Winston, of course, has the coolest verb synonymous with his first > name. You know, I didn't even know about that until a few years ago. A friend of mine read some Flashman books and told me the hero was always going around rogering women. You'd think that the people who named you would tell you about that kind of thing, but you'd be wrong. Actually, they probably never even knew. Later. --Boink - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:16:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, John Cooper wrote: > I actually heard a guest on a radio show yesterday--not a > caller--refer to a 'descendant' of his who had fought in the Civil > War. Was he Merlyn the Magician? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and ::winds up as a processing unit. __Soft Boys, note, CAN OF BEES__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:21:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] what people want; music; etc. I've mentioned this before, but here it is again: http://www.diacenter.org/km/musiccd.html Enjoy. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::we make everything you need, and you need everything we make:: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 18:40:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] holy crap! I just turned on my TV set, which happened to be on Comedy Central (the Jon Stewart show), and I could swear they just broadcast footage of...the Asian Prince! I had the sound off, and it ended about two seconds after I turned the TV on - but can anyone confirm that I was not hallucinating? (Surely you remember the Asian Prince - looks sorta like Little Richard gone to seed, had a website presenting him in all his mulleted glory, w/"his" wonderful cars, etc.?) (My power went out - it was more like ten minutes ago now.) - -j ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:51:10 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough OOH! OOH! OOH! someone here just reminded me of one of the ones i really hate - lit-uh-chure (literature) - which reminded me of a few others which drive me nuts: litter-ly (literally) lie-berry (library) - - anything that mixes up 'add' and 'ad' - - the gross misuse of apostrophes and one i used to get when i was bartending: choppin' (referring to Chopin vodka) there are signs near our house (we live in an agricultural area) selling the following: strawbrries straberries strawberrie's (ouch - 2 in 1) peches peechs and one that says soRRy we close i'm sure they do, so in one sense it is ALWAYS right, but i highly doubt that's what they meant. - -- brianna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:19:07 -0700 From: John Cooper Subject: RE: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough Brianna wrote: >OOH! OOH! OOH! someone here just reminded me of one of the ones i really >hate - lit-uh-chure (literature)... Susan Stamberg of NPR's All Things Considered refers every afternoon to the Dow Jones "Industrals". According to archaeologist Kent Weeks in his book _The Lost Tomb_, there is a sign for English-speaking tourists at the Valley of the Kings (Egypt) that reads: The wall is Oecoratd with The Book of the DeadBook of the Book the Book BookBook. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: [loud-fans] holy crap! - --- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I just turned on my TV set, which happened to be on > Comedy Central (the > Jon Stewart show), and I could swear they just > broadcast footage of...the > Asian Prince! I had the sound off, and it ended > about two seconds after I > turned the TV on - but can anyone confirm that I was > not hallucinating? It was not the Asian Prince -- it was some weird Japanese vocal group. I seem to recall that the lead singer was named Papaya. Their dance moves were really something! - -- Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:32:27 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough << According to archaeologist Kent Weeks in his book _The Lost Tomb_, there is a sign for English-speaking tourists at the Valley of the Kings (Egypt) that reads: The wall is Oecoratd with The Book of the DeadBook of the Book the Book BookBook. >> yeah yeah yeah. that's priceless! when i was in turkey i ran across this attached to a barbecue at an outdoor restaurant: If you like, you may cook yourself. and in germany: These toilets have been construded for your enjoyment. i'd like to say i'm done, but i'm giggling too much about all of this... - -- brianna bradley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 21:19:58 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough In a message dated 8/9/01 4:52:01 PM, bbradley@namesecure.com writes: << OOH! OOH! OOH! someone here just reminded me of one of the ones i really hate - lit-uh-chure (literature) - which reminded me of a few others which drive me nuts: litter-ly (literally) lie-berry (library)..>> I'm always dismayed to find out that my birthday comes in Febuary. <> and I saw a sign painted in big letters on a Psychic's window today that said "PSYCHIC. SOLVS ALL PROBLEMS." Left ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 21:25:04 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Apocolypse Surprised that no one on the List has mentioned his or her reaction to the newest iteration. I found it....well......I found it.......LONG. I'm not sure the added 49 minutes adds that much.....seems like it just serves to make the point over and over again.........CHAOS......which, I believe, was made adequately in the original. And, in spite of the fact that I saw the thing in a GREAT theatre, boasting eight-channel sound, the sound was TERRIBLE.....I couldn't understand much of the dialog in the added scenes. The new stuff with the Playboy Bunnies was bizarre enough to make it worth it though. Ultimately, I'm partial to the former version. Left ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 21:57:10 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] nicely nicely Clive Incidentally, most of Brianna's pet peeves fall under the headings of dialectical pronunciations rather than misuses per se (the "eltse" one is just a function of the position of the tongue - it seems we want to stop that "l" with something solid rather than just slide into the "s." Compare the common "t" sound in "dance" ("dants") etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And, Brianna probably knows this, but that "ask/axe" peeve is a little dangerous: there are those who take offense when large numbers of people are forcibly resettled and then mocked for failing to master the local language. Complicated topic. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 22:15:25 -0400 From: "amy lewis" Subject: [loud-fans] more peevage it's tough being an editrix whose boss uses words such as: - - actionable (ostensibly referring to an item that one could put into action; AHD3 lists only one meaning -- giving cause for legal action). - - agreeance (as in "i think we're all in agreeance here.") - - productize, monetize, and the like -- i'm not such an old-skool philologist that i declaim all neologisms formed with "-ize," but dang it, some of them are just plain ugly. and many, many more. i feel so much better now! amy, who always changes "impact" as a verb to "affect" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 19:15:45 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] nicely nicely Clive <> you are correct. however, i've heard this one (and, come to think of it, all of the annoyances i posted) used by a wide variety of people of all ages and from all backgrounds. well, except that they all apparently missed the day they taught proNOWNciation. - -- getting pissy. just flamed an entire list. they all decided that ll of turkey is horrible and evil because a few ridiculously extremist idiots are practicing honor killings. they seem to think that it's part of the 'turkish culture'. bah. brianna bradley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 22:35:16 EDT From: GlenSarvad@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] CD Singles I don't frequent the types of stores likely to stock Top 40 CD singles if they *did* exist, but I found it interesting that a USA Today piece on Mariah Carey's breakdown speculated on the role of Tommy Mottola, who supposedly delayed the release of the latest Destiny's Child single and priced it at $0.49 in order to torpedo his ex's new album launch. So they're being stocked *somewhere*. As for pricing, I whined recently when I saw a new release tagged at $15.99 at my local mom & pop, and the clerk pointed out to me that it costs them nearly $13 to order it. This price was corroborated by a friend who works at an indie with three locations in the northeast- many major label titles are $12.50 or more. Hard to begrudge them a little markup. The Merge/Touch & Go stuff still frequently sells for $11.99 in the same shop, and any doubts about the difference in cost were covered last month when I sat next to a guy on a plane who was returning from some menial job on the set of a Mandy Moore video shoot. He showed me the script/storyboard/whatever you call it. The last two and a half pages were filled with a directory of people working behind the scenes on the multi-day shoot. Of course, I'm still waiting or the massive promotional blitz that justifies the high sticker price of the new Nick Cave album.... __________________________ Stewart responded to Dana thusly: > No, it goes further than that; singles themselves no longer exist in many > cases, even as CD singles or cassette singles. Billboard made an important > change in their Top 40 chart a few years ago: songs no longer have to be > commercially released as a single to be eligible for the singles chart, > they just have to be serviced to radio. What that means is that many (if > not most) songs on the Billboard chart are not actually commercially > available as singles. Skim the teensy singles rack at any chain record > store for proof. Jeff's right, with increasingly rare exceptions, the > single has gone the way of the 8-track. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 22:04:44 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] One peef is not enough On Thursday, August 9, 2001, at 05:53 PM, John Cooper wrote: > Re riceboymobiles: I love that there's a name for this kind of thing, > but I hate that that's it. There's a garage around the corner from my > house where young Asian men hang out with their flabbergastingly > souped-up ordinary cars. A lot of the cars have stickers on them for > --a fairly fascinating site, maybe worth a > look. Here's a couple more sites. Sport Compact Car is always 250+ pages, so there's at least a lot of would-be street racers. As the success of The Fast And The Furious would indicate. http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/ http://www.epinions.com/mags-Sport_Compact_Car This market segment is big enough that even Ford has taken notice, with the 170hp Focus SVT due in the near future. http://www.focusfrenzy.com/ford/svtfocus/indexpage1.html - - Steve __________ Calling George W. Bush and Jesse Helms "public servants" is like calling Iran-contra criminal Elliott Abrams an "outstanding diplomat"--which is precisely what White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer did when he announced Abrams' appointment as senior director of the National Security Council's Office for Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations. - Terry J. Allen, In These Times ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 21:54:02 -0700 (PDT) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] nicely nicely Clive At 9:57 PM 8/9/1, Dana L Paoli wrote: >Incidentally, most of Brianna's pet peeves fall under the headings of >dialectical pronunciations rather than misuses per se (the "eltse" one is >just a function of the position of the tongue - it seems we want to stop >that "l" with something solid rather than just slide into the "s." >Compare >the common "t" sound in "dance" ("dants") etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >And, Brianna probably knows this, but that "ask/axe" peeve is a little >dangerous: there are those who take offense when large numbers of people >are forcibly resettled and then mocked for failing to master the local >language. Complicated topic. I can accept that there are difficulties in learning a language you didn't grow up with, or even that your parents didn't grow up with. But certainly there's no physiological or intellectual reason that English can't be mastered by people whose families have lived in the country for over 150 years. That having been said, I don't think the issue of ask/ax is one of pronunciation, but of dialect. Matt Ethical right is largely abstract; legal right is mostly concrete. Ethical right the just man wishes to be established; legal right is already established. Ethical right and legal right mutually exclude each other; where one prevails, the other cannot endure. One is founded on power, on might; the other on justice, on equality. One appeals to the sword to settle matters, the other appeals to the judgment of men. Charles T. Sprading, _Liberty and the Great Libertarians_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 21:55:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: RE: [loud-fans] nicely nicely Clive At 7:15 PM 8/9/1, bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: >getting pissy. just flamed an entire list. they all decided that ll of >turkey is horrible and evil because a few ridiculously extremist idiots are >practicing honor killings. they seem to think that it's part of the >'turkish culture'. >bah. >brianna bradley Wow. Good thing nobody mentioned the Armenian genocide. Matt Ethical right is largely abstract; legal right is mostly concrete. Ethical right the just man wishes to be established; legal right is already established. Ethical right and legal right mutually exclude each other; where one prevails, the other cannot endure. One is founded on power, on might; the other on justice, on equality. One appeals to the sword to settle matters, the other appeals to the judgment of men. Charles T. Sprading, _Liberty and the Great Libertarians_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 23:24:44 -0700 From: "West Moran" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Whoops Apocalypse > Surprised that no one on the List has mentioned his or her reaction to the > newest iteration. I've been working 12-hour days six days a week, though I definitely made time to see the movie last Sunday. Also, I think it's only in Los Angeles and New York, so perhaps as it rolls into the other dozen or so cities in which it's slated to appear, more people will get a chance to take a look. > I found it....well......I found it.......LONG. > > I'm not sure the added 49 minutes adds that much.....seems like it just > serves to make the point over and over again.........CHAOS......which, I > believe, was made adequately in the original. I thought that a lot of the extra footage fleshed out the characters a little better. It didn't feel long to me at all, UNTIL... The "legendary" French Plantation sequence. Here is twenty minutes that stops the movie cold. Completely unnecessary, stultifyingly dull, the picture almost didn't recover from it. > And, in spite of the fact that I saw the thing in a GREAT theatre, boasting > eight-channel sound, the sound was TERRIBLE.....I couldn't understand much of > the dialog in the added scenes. Yikes. Was this in LA? I saw it there, and I experienced no problems (although I feared I would; it's playing at the same theater that threaded Robert Altman's "Short Cuts" into the projector backwards some years ago). > The new stuff with the Playboy Bunnies was bizarre enough to make it worth it > though. That reminds me -- did you notice that most of the major additions to the film involve nudity? Mind you, I'm not complaining. > Ultimately, I'm partial to the former version. Were it not for the French Plantation fiasco, I would have wholeheartedly endorsed Redux as superior to the original. As it is, I'm afraid I must agree with you. I should add, though, that it was still exhilarating to see a true cinematic work of art, a kind of film they really do not and will not make anymore, on the big screen. It puts all the horrible crap Hollywood has been throwing at us recently to shame. "America's Sweethearts"... those fucking bastards. West? ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #191 *******************************