From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #188 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, August 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Jay Farrar (ns) ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Petty Differences [Jer Fairall ] RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Cindy Alvarez ] RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Miles Goosens ] RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Aaron Mandel ] RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost ["Aaron Milenski" ] RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost ["Larry Tucker" ] RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Sue Trowbridge ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] RE: wooly differences [John F Butland ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost [mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber)] [loud-fans] condiment boy strikes again [dmw ] [loud-fans] Raving About "Attractive Nuisance." ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] [loud-fans] I'll be... ["Bradley Skaught" ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost/SW [steve ] Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost/SW ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] condiment boy strikes again [Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jay Farrar (ns) > >However, since one > >of the standout cuts on the album is titled "Barstow," I imagine he's > >referring to the town in California. > >Or he could be referring to XTC's BLACK SEA. :-) Don't forget Harry Partch's "Barstow"... Num-ber threeee, Andy AP) Panama City, Fla. - Oh, what a feeling. Toy Yoda! A former Hooters waitress has sued the restaurant where she worked, saying she was promised a new Toyota for winning a beer sales contest. Instead, she said, she won a new toy Yoda, a version of the little green guy from the "Star Wars" movies. Jodee Berry, 26, won a contest to see who could sell the most beer in April at the Hooters in Panama City Beach. She said the top-selling waitresses from each Hooters restaurant in the area were entered into a drawing, and her name was picked. She believed she had won a new car. She was blindfolded and led to the restaurant parking lot, but when her blindfold was removed she found she was the winner not of a Toyota, but a toy Yoda doll. Inside the restaurant, the manager was laughing, Berry said. She wasn't. "A corporation can't lead their employees on like that," Berry said. "It's not good business ethics. They can't do that to people." Berry quit the restaurant a week later. She sued Gulf Coast Wings Inc., owners of the restaurant, alleging breach of contract and fraudulent misrepresentation. She is seeking as compensation the cost of a new Toyota. Stuart Houston, a spokesman for the company, said it hadn't been served with the lawsuit and he could not comment. (courtesy Jeffrey Norman) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:51:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Petty Differences > Now, who here has heard Freedy Johnston's new cover > of "Love Grows Where My Rosemary Goes"? I like > Freedy and all, but nobody fucks with the first pop > song I ever loved and gets away with it. Hey, you think you got it bad? Word has it Britney Spears is covering "I Love Rock N Roll," either my first or second ever loved pop song ("Mickey" being the other), on her upcoming album. Jer ===== Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:53:58 -0700 From: Cindy Alvarez Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost At 2:24 PM -0500 8/7/01, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >> You Can't Hurry Love - Supremes >> Yellow Submarine/Eleanor Rigby - Beatles >> Cherish - The association >> What Becomes of the Broken Hearted - Jimmy Ruffin >> Summertime - Billy Stewart >> Guantanamera - The Sandpipers >> God Only Knows - Beach Boys >> How sweet It Is - Jr Walker >> Summer In The City - Lovin Spoonful >> Last Train to Clarksville - Monkees >> Reach Out I'll Be There - Four Tops >> Just Like A Woman - Bob Dylan > >Furthermore, I can recall the tunes of 22 of these - with one or two I'm >not sure of but pretty certain i'd recognize if I heard them. But I'm wondering how >many of these tracks are familiar to Loudfans younger than 30... OK, I'm 25 and I can recall the tunes of these 12, with a couple more I'd probably recognize if I heard them. I don't think my odds would be that good for the top 40 of '96; certainly not for '01. I'd heard "...Oops" in the background mall music about forty times before realizing it was THAT song ... and I couldn't place an N'Sync song to save my life. c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:07:45 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost Jeffrey, then Cindy: > But I'm wondering how >>many of these tracks are familiar to Loudfans younger than 30... > > >OK, I'm 25 and I can recall the tunes of these 12, with a couple more I'd >probably recognize if I heard them. > >I don't think my odds would be that good for the top 40 of '96; certainly >not for '01. I'm 34, and there are two key points at which my knowledge of the top 40 declines: 1988: Melissa and I got married and moved to Nashville, which gave us access to genuine college radio -- Vandy's WRVU in a particularly good period -- for the first time. So no more being stuck with J104 just because the car didn't have a tape player and top 40 was the most palatable radio option. 199?: Not sure of the final digit (4? 5? 6?) but whenever MTV pretty much gave up playing music videos. There's some sort of early '90s dance hits compilation being advertised on late night TV now -- Crystal Waters' "100% Pure Love" is one of the songs featured in the commercial -- and Melissa and I realized that the videos of these songs were the last videos that we remembered. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:26:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Cindy Alvarez wrote: > I don't think my odds would be that good for the top 40 of '96; > certainly not for '01. I'd heard "...Oops" in the background mall > music about forty times before realizing it was THAT song ... and I > couldn't place an N'Sync song to save my life. hm. i could only hum a line from about 7 of those 30 songs (some from recent covers), and i get maybe 3 of the current Billboard top 30 singles. i'd say that's pretty close to parity when you factor in the fact that those songs from the 60s have had over two decades to get my attention, while songs on the current chart have existed for mere months. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:36:36 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost I got 20 of 30, and I'm 34. These days, when I see a current top 40, I'm unlikely to know more than 3 or 4. That says more about me than it does about the top 40, I think, because for all we know a whole bunch of these songs will be rediscovered on oldies radio 30 years from now. Aaron, wondering who will be the first artist to (not in jest) cover a Britney Spears song. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:57:53 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost |-----Original Message----- |From: Aaron Milenski [mailto:amilenski@hotmail.com] |Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:37 PM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost | | |I got 20 of 30, and I'm 34. These days, when I see a current |top 40, I'm |unlikely to know more than 3 or 4. That says more about me |than it does |about the top 40, I think, because for all we know a whole |bunch of these |songs will be rediscovered on oldies radio 30 years from now. | |Aaron, wondering who will be the first artist to (not in jest) cover a |Britney Spears song. Actually Fountains of Wayne have already done a pretty good version "Baby One More Time". It's kind of an "unplugged" version. I think it was a b-side. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Toppermost On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Aaron Milenski wrote: > I got 20 of 30, and I'm 34. These days, when I see a current top 40, I'm > unlikely to know more than 3 or 4. That says more about me than it does > about the top 40, I think, because for all we know a whole bunch of these > songs will be rediscovered on oldies radio 30 years from now. > > Aaron, wondering who will be the first artist to (not in jest) cover a > Britney Spears song. Travis covers "Baby, One More Time" on one of their singles, prefacing it with "This is one of the best pop songs of the last couple years, and I'm not sayin' that ironically". They then go on to prove that point. How was I supposed to know? J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:36:58 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost 45s no longer exist - and CD singles simply aren't as cheap, relatively speaking. So if you hear the way-cool hit, you're pretty much forced to drop $20 to buy the whole CD. >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, that made me do two double takes. First double take was followed by the realization that Jeff probably meant that 45s no longer exist (for major label releases in America). Second double take demands a response: do regular CDs actually cost $20 now? I had no idea. I guess that with the wholesale price up around $10 that actually makes sense, but I've yet to encounter that price point in my own day to day life. Jeff also said: I'm talking about the stations that sound as if it's 1978 - full of that era's disposable chart fodder, Journey, Styx, REO >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really think that Styx shouldn't be in there. Shari "bought" their Greatest Hits way back when she was busy defrauding every music club in existence, and it's rarely left our next-to-the-stereo pile. At the very least, "Come Sail Away" is a pretty incredible hit by any standards. One of the many things that I liked about "Virgin Suicides" was that it seemed to accept Styx as being pretty great without any smirking required. Someone else will have to defend the other two bands, though. - --dana np: Detention/Expelled (and there's a small tape glitch on "Dead Rock n Rollers" and I can't remember if it was there in the original or not. Hmmmm.) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost - --- Dana L Paoli wrote: > do regular CDs actually cost $20 now? I had no > idea. I guess that with the wholesale price up > around $10 that actually makes sense, but I've yet > to encounter that price point in my own day to day > life. Go to a Wherehouse, Sam Goody or other mall record store, and you'll see lots of discs for sale at full list price (generally $17.99 or $18.99 these days for major label product). After paying sales tax, you're not gonna get a lot of change back from your $20 bill. - -- Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:20:15 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost At 06:36 PM 8/7/01 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: >45s no longer exist - and CD singles simply aren't as cheap, relatively >speaking. So if you hear the way-cool hit, you're pretty much forced to >drop $20 to buy the whole CD. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >Wow, that made me do two double takes. First double take was followed by >the realization that Jeff probably meant that 45s no longer exist (for >major label releases in America). No, it goes further than that; singles themselves no longer exist in many cases, even as CD singles or cassette singles. Billboard made an important change in their Top 40 chart a few years ago: songs no longer have to be commercially released as a single to be eligible for the singles chart, they just have to be serviced to radio. What that means is that many (if not most) songs on the Billboard chart are not actually commercially available as singles. Skim the teensy singles rack at any chain record store for proof. Jeff's right, with increasingly rare exceptions, the single has gone the way of the 8-track. >Second double take demands a response: > do regular CDs actually cost $20 now? I had no idea. I guess that with >the wholesale price up around $10 that actually makes sense, but I've yet >to encounter that price point in my own day to day life. The current standard list price for most major label CDs is $17.99 or $18.99. Add in sales tax and you're looking at a double sawbuck. However, most stores still sell CDs for between $11.99 (sale price for hot new releases) and $16.99; here, the standard price for a new CD is still around $14.99. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:19:14 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost Go to a Wherehouse, Sam Goody or other mall record store >>>>>>>>>. "Wherehouse"?? What is this thing? The above is easier said than done in Brooklyn. Thank god. If only Mr. Kim hadn't ended his dreams of glory and worldwide dominance. He would have put an end to this $17.99 crap. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 20:28:39 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: wooly differences At 12:22 PM 01-08-07 -0400, Brett Milano wrote: >**There were of course, the Bacharachs and Robinsons and whatnot, but you >still had "Wooly Bully" and garbage like that-- > >Bite your tongue! "Wooly Bully" is better than anything Bacharach ever >wrote...Saw the Lyres do a killer version of it two weeks ago... > Hear, hear! Thank you for defending "Wooly Bully," Brett. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 17:47:06 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost At 07:19 PM 8/7/01 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: >Go to a Wherehouse, Sam Goody or other mall record >store >>>>>>>>>>. > >"Wherehouse"?? What is this thing? Back in the day, they used to be called Sound Warehouse, and I will go on record as saying that Sound Warehouse was the best chain record store there was back in the '80s. For me, anyway, they were a handy stepping stone between the mall stores (which sucked just as much then as they do now, but at least they had cooler names: Peaches, Record Bar, Coconuts...) and the cool indie stores by the college campus. They were big, with deep selections, very good import departments and *huge* singles departments, where you could not only buy what was in the Billboard Top 100 that week, but new singles by baby bands the labels were trying to break (these were often as cheap as 79 cents as an inducement), plus the unsold stock simply shifted into the oldies section until someone bought it, which meant you could find relatively obscure two- or three-year-old 45s. Then Blockbuster bought it and it went to hell. I will say this, though--the used department in Wherehouse Records sells CDs that won't move for less than a buck, which is how I got the way-out-of-print Sarah Records compilation FOUNTAIN ISLAND for 49 cents. If you have a couple hours to kill, troll the used bins at Wherehouse for goodies and you'll come home with an armload of obscure indie goodies for about 20 bucks. In fact, that might be my night's entertainment if there aren't any decent movies in the neighborhood... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:30:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > I really think that Styx shouldn't be in there. Shari "bought" their > Greatest Hits way back when she was busy defrauding every music club in > existence, and it's rarely left our next-to-the-stereo pile. At the very > least, "Come Sail Away" is a pretty incredible hit by any standards. One > of the many things that I liked about "Virgin Suicides" was that it > seemed to accept Styx as being pretty great without any smirking > required. Well, you know there's no winning there: any band in the world, no matter how dire its reputation, will have its defenders - and Styx in the last five years seems to be nearly cool again, among many. I was a Styx fan circa 8th grade, and I followed their records up through...the one before the one with "Babe" on it, which even then, fairly open to the band's tacky charms, I found retchsome and noxious beyond belief. Put me off the electric piano for years. Anyway, what strikes me now about them, and why I think they belong in the pantheon of Bad Seventies Rock, are several things: 1) Dennis De Young ended up singing musicals on Broadway. Enough said. Okay, maybe not: that tremorous vibrato and pseudo-Brit enunciation just reeked of high school swing choir (won't touch *that* concept w/a ten-foot jr. high yearbook). 2) The lyrics were generally a combination of "I'm OK, You're OK" encouraging platitudes (does De Young have a sideline job designing posters for the Successories stores as well?) and a terrible condescension. 3) The mix of prog, hard rock, and AOR was still sort of a weird mix - and they're sort of a copy of a copy anyway, with Kansas doing both better prog and better hard rock. That said, yeah, their better songs are certainly memorable, although "Mr. Roboto" remains among the stupidest songs ever written. (Not as horrifying awful as "Muskrat Love" though...or "A Horse with No Name") Of course, you never know: the Doors went from condescended-to teenyboppers (in critics' eyes) to clear-eyed Angelenos providing dark counterpoint to the flowery platitudes of San Francisco, to ridiculous pretentious bad actors epitomizing the worst aspects of the rock'n'roll star...all without changing a note they played. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. ::I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! __"raus"__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:13:37 -0700 (PDT) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost At 7:30 PM 8/7/1, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Well, you know there's no winning there: any band in the world, no matter >how dire its reputation, will have its defenders - and Styx in the last >five years seems to be nearly cool again, among many. I was a Styx fan >circa 8th grade, and I followed their records up through...the one before >the one with "Babe" on it, which even then, fairly open to the band's >tacky charms, I found retchsome and noxious beyond belief. Put me off the >electric piano for years. That's about the place that I left off, too. >Of course, you never know: the Doors went from condescended-to >teenyboppers (in critics' eyes) to clear-eyed Angelenos providing dark >counterpoint to the flowery platitudes of San Francisco, to ridiculous >pretentious bad actors epitomizing the worst aspects of the rock'n'roll >star...all without changing a note they played. I would have said, "often in the space of a single song/album/concert"... Matt Most people accept law as their guide to conduct; they find it to be more profitable than following the rules of justice. They are always asking, "What is the law?" "Can I do that and not be arrested?" To them anything within the law is right; yet we know that the greatest injustices are committed within the law. They would see nothing wrong in murder, if it was lawful. Charles T. Sprading, _Freedom and its Fundamentals_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:23:33 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] condiment boy strikes again the only times i ever watched _popstars_ were as a result of a failure to tape _popular_ correctly, and mostly in fast-forward; still, i bet good studio engineers around the globe are finding it one of the most unintentionally hilarious comedies ever. i dig that they go to the trouble to get, for example, what actually look like real microphones, and use some of what sounds like real engineer/producer talk, and then use them in ways completely contrary to anything you'd see in real life. i've been given the impression that at the very least, n sync and boyz 2 men can really, actually sing, whether or not there are computers involved. i haven't heard a whole lotta current top 40 ofthe britney/n sync variety, and i try to avoid top 40 of the "good charlotte" variety, but when i'm forced to hear one or the other, i'd go for the former. arguably produced with more craft, but i think more importantly, the production (and mastering!) styles currently in vogue are less harmful to dance pop fluff than anything with a vestige of rock (anything to which the illusion that there was ever a 'performance' to capture is helpful/intrinsic). one of my favorite rants here; tune in next para. if you need to. or killfile me, hell. but. one difference between disposa-pop now and disposa-pop then that i wish people would quit glossing over is that the record companies aren't even their own masters; they are all subordinates of larger conglomerats. way more business analysis and focus groups and other assorted b.s. these days. i think it leaves a bit of a sour taste in the music that results that's qualitatively different from sound-alikes, knockoffs and transparent marketing ploys of yore. dmw goes out on a limb: rampant use of pitch correction all over the place and the use of digital technology to artificially time lock everything so it sounds like it was played by robots is a fad, probably near the end of its lifetime. why? every engineer i've ever met hates it; every music listener who can hear it hates it; the rest really didn't care to start with; ergo: no significant effect on bottom line profitability of da product. god i hope i'm right god i hope i'm right god i hope i'm right. gee, some of us kinda *like* mousy and thin. at least some of the time. i'm a marilyn manson fan, about as reluctantly as i am harry potter fan. reznor is a more interesting producer/arranger but manson's a better lyricist, singer, and has a better ear for catchy tunes (or good taste e.g., bowie in who to nick them from). the wrestling bit seems a bit of a low blow; i think he'd be forced to write. i like more than a few heavy metal records, including a few metallica records, but it's been quite a while since metallica made a good heavy metal record. i'd say 1988 and _...and justice for all_, personally. wish i could remix it from the master tapes though...where's the bottom end? i probably missed something. oh well. ...oh yeah. i was contemplating attempting a defense of reo speedwagon, but then i looked up the tracklist for _you can tune a piano but you can't tune a fish_ and thought better of it. i do think gary richrath's tunes tended to be more interesting than lead singer kevin cronin's, but that's not sayng as much as i once thought. ...bunch atreats today: i helped set up & tear down for a session with a ~35 piece orchestra; got to watch some of the tracking, too. it's a joy to watch *real* professionals at work. also got to hear some of my record through a $6000 pair of speakers (and about a $12K signal chain overall). not impressed at all, which is probably just as well. - -- d. np metallica _...and justice for all_, which isn't nearly as good as i remembered. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:18:58 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: [loud-fans] Raving About "Attractive Nuisance." Since it was released, I have been disappointed in 'Attractive Nuisance,' to the point that I have not put it in my CD player for several months. So, anyhow, I was driving to work the other day, and I found myself singing "One Will Be the Highway." I couldn't remember for the life of me who the song was by and I thought it might have been something I listened to back in college. I thought to myself, "Man, I used to love that song," even though, truth be told, it made virtually no impression on me when I was listening to the album. Well, I went through the day pondering what album it might be from, and I found myself singing "Blackness, Blackness." That, I knew, was a Loud Family track. When I returned home, planning on searching for "One Will be The Highway," I decided to listen to "Blackness, Blackness" while searching and, of course, discovered it was all from "Attractive Nuisance." I have now listened to it every day for about a week, often two or three times a day and am thinking it is brilliant, maybe my favorite album of 2000. Now I need to go back and reevaluate "TTOOL." Maybe I have been wrong about that, too... Anyhow, just needed to share. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:58:08 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost > Not as horrifying > awful as "Muskrat Love" though... Oh man, I can't believe you're badmouthing this song! Maybe you need to hear the original Willis Alan Ramsey version, which is just fantastic. When it's sung with that kind of cocked eyebrow Lyle Lovett twang (and Lovett got much of his thang from Ramsey) than it reveals itself to be a fine song. Especially cool with Leon Russel playing electric piano. Anyhow, it's a great song, damn it. But I still think "Wooly Bully" is garbage. I enjoy it, but I think it's a bad, bad song. I recognized every song on that list from the Buffalo Springfield box, by the way, and was able to sing at least a bit of it. But then i've wasted my life. B NP this killer Pretenders bootleg I found today at work--5 songs live from 1980. Really great. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:35:54 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] I'll be... For some reason I'm fascinated by this. Here's the track listing for the new Damned album: Democracy Song.com Thrill Kill She Lookin For Action Would You Be So Hot Absinthe Amen Neverland The End Of Time Obscene W Beauty Of The Beast What kind of album is this? Could be really pretensions ("She", "Absinthe", "Democracy") or really meathead rawk ("Lookin' For Action", "Obscene") or, um, I don't know ("W"). Based solely on the titles, my vote for worst song goes to "Song.com", "W", or "Beauty of the Beast". Best song, undoubtedly, will be "Would You Be So Hot". That said, I love the Damned and think _Strawberries_ is just a stellar record. I will probably not buy their new album. BTW, I found the NZ version of the Straitjacket Fits' _Hail_ today and it's so much better than the US version! It's damn near a masterpiece, in fact--darker and weirder and I'm pretty sure the title track is a very different version. Awesome. luv, B NP a super neat live version of "Marquee Moon" from a 1987 Verlaine twelve-inch. It's really amazing! The vinyl's blue, too, and that's neat. Reminds me of Aaron Milenski and blue food! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:37:14 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost/SW >> "Wherehouse"?? What is this thing? On Tuesday, August 7, 2001, at 06:47 PM, Stewart Mason wrote: > Back in the day, they used to be called Sound Warehouse, and I will go > on > record as saying that Sound Warehouse was the best chain record store > there > was back in the '80s. For me, anyway, they were a handy stepping stone > between the mall stores (which sucked just as much then as they do now, > but > at least they had cooler names: Peaches, Record Bar, Coconuts...) and > the > cool indie stores by the college campus. They were big, with deep > selections, very good import departments and *huge* singles departments, > where you could not only buy what was in the Billboard Top 100 that > week, > but new singles by baby bands the labels were trying to break (these > were > often as cheap as 79 cents as an inducement), plus the unsold stock > simply > shifted into the oldies section until someone bought it, which meant you > could find relatively obscure two- or three-year-old 45s. The store Stewart describes above is exactly like a Peaches before they were purchased by Sound Warehouse. In the era of the LP, there was a great Peaches in Dallas off North Central Expressway. They had a bunch of 8x8 album cover reproductions on the outside of the building and they would hold drawings for them when they were changed, which was fairly often. They may well have started the orange crate record holder period. In the D/FW area, Sound Warehouse came later, but opened a lot more stores. I think their superior capital allowed them to do in Peaches. The OK drove out the excellent, but Sound Warehouse, while no Tower, was pretty good for a number of years. They went right in the dumpster when Blockbuster got hold of them. There were some used CD stores called Wherehouse before Blockbuster made the name change (in a cruel attempt to fool the public), so I wonder if money changed hands. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:15:04 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Toppermost/SW >The store Stewart describes above is exactly like a Peaches before they >were purchased by Sound Warehouse. In the era of the LP, there was a >great Peaches in Dallas off North Central Expressway. They had a bunch >of 8x8 album cover reproductions on the outside of the building and they >would hold drawings for them when they were changed, which was fairly >often. They may well have started the orange crate record holder period. The Peaches on 45th in Seattle (and until recently I never knew others existed) had hands of various rock stars in cement outside its doors. Except for Ted Nugent. He donated his left profile. I bought Wild Man Fischer's PRONOUNCED NORMAL there, in the twilight vinyl days. And of course, that $3.29 copy of ELECTRONIC SOUNDS my Dad wouldn't front me the money for, still vexes my (otherwise perfectly placid) midnight fancies. My friend Tom still has two Peaches orange crates, which he still uses to hold albums, and which he humps with him every time he moves (about every four months). The last time he moved, the orange crates fell apart into what I hoped would be kindling. Nonsense, he proclaimed, and stuck the hanging nails back through the rotten wood. Sometime September, maybe, Andy LIFE When I see those pine trees oh so high Stretching up to reach the sky, I no longer wonder at the mystery-- God's creation of you and me. Life, and death so often feared Is by nature so beautifully cleared; When one observes the leaves in fall There is no solemn deathly pall But a brightness and color that means but one thing That life is restored, the following spring. Death is not the end of all Yet just the close of a glorious fall To be followed as soon as one's faith has been sought By that eternal spring which for us God has wrought. [--Peter Duel, aka Peter Deuel (1940-1971), written 1956] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:48:04 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] condiment boy strikes again At 09:23 PM 8/7/2001 -0400, dmw wrote: >dmw goes out on a limb: rampant use of pitch correction all over the place >and the use of digital technology to artificially time lock everything so >it sounds like it was played by robots is a fad, probably near the end of >its lifetime. why? every engineer i've ever met hates it; every music >listener who can hear it hates it; the rest really didn't care to start >with; ergo: no significant effect on bottom line profitability of da >product. god i hope i'm right god i hope i'm right god i hope i'm right. I beg to differ with Mr. dmw's theorizing: I would imagine that most of the folks who enjoy the current pop music scene wouldn't know what rampant pitch correction (anyone read about Mariah Carey's "breakdown"? I think we have a gold medalist in the Emotional Special Olympics!) was if it bit them on the ass, nor would they be able to recognize artificial time lock if it meant that their SUV/riceboymobile/phat ride would be repoed on the spot. MB ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #188 *******************************