From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #180 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, August 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 180 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Bill Pritchard [Jim Davies ] [loud-fans] While we're giving stuff away... ["Keegstra, Russell" Subject: [loud-fans] Bill Pritchard Bill released a new album a few years back. It's not as polished or as uniformly excellent as his hit (French) period, but it's a personal favourite of mine. The single `Every Loser in London' is particularly memorable; ditto `Cherry Orchard'. Love him. Genius. There's a good page at http://theacf.com/billprit/ Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:12:07 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: [loud-fans] While we're giving stuff away... Having just picked up the 30th Anniversary remastered versions of the following King Crimson albums: Larks Tongues in Aspic Starless and Bible Black Red and seeing as I no longer have a need for the older versions of these three CDs, I will be more than happy to send them free of charge to whoever wants them. Caveats - I would prefer one to a customer (to spread the wealth), and whoever wants Larks... will have to wait until I go back to Tucson this weekend because I don't have it with me. Let me take this opportunity to say that the new versions are much better. And for those who haven't been keeping score, _The Great Deceiver_ is available again, directly from Discipline Global Mobile. Glen wrote: >BARBARA MANNING & THE GO-LUCKYS are on an extended tour. >... > (I just realized how much this reads like a press mailing- I'm not >affiliated with either of these bands- I swear. But if high-quality bands- >and nice people to boot- set out on the road and get little response, I hate >to think of the ramifications.) Don't make the same mistake I did - I found out on Saturday morning that Barbara Manning had played a record store 2 miles from our apartment the night before. Russ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:21:26 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Cool Band Alert Wow!, BOTH of these shows are here in town tonight. I had debated going to Barbara Manning and now this news about the Bigger Lovers. I'm unfamiliar with Bigger Lovers, but their blurb at allmusic.com is certainly enticement enough. Even better these shows are within a block of each other. I'll definitely have to venture out tonight. Thanks Glen! - -Larry |-----Original Message----- |From: GlenSarvad@aol.com [mailto:GlenSarvad@aol.com] |Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:01 PM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: [loud-fans] Cool Band Alert | | |Wanted to make you aware of a couple of really good bands that |are currently |playing to handfuls of people on the road. They really |deserve your support, |and if they pass through your town you owe it to yourself to |check them out. | |The BIGGER LOVERS are a Philadelphia-based quartet that has a |Big Star/Velvet |Crush kinda thing going on. Their CD "How I Learned To Stop |Worrying" is |likely to make my top ten of 2001. I saw them do an in-store |in Philly last |week and they delivered the goods, including Soft Boys, |Zombies and Verlaines |covers. They're on a brief southern swing right now: | |--Wed., Aug. 1: Chapel Hill, NC @ Local 506 |--Thurs., Aug. 2: Athens, GA @ the Engine Room |--Fri., Aug. 3: Monticello, MS @ Black Dog Record's Rock n' |Roll Summer |Camp shin dig w/ Tyler Keith & the Preacher's Kids, Cary Hudson, The |Tares, et al... |--Sat., Aug. 4: Memphis, TN @ the Hi-Tone Cafe | | |BARBARA MANNING & THE GO-LUCKYS are on an extended tour. To |be honest, IMO |her new "You Should Know By Now" isn't one of her better |efforts. But I saw |the band last night and they were great, doing a broad sampling of her |catalog. The next several dates: | |August 1, Wednesday: Carrboro, NC - Cat's Cradle |August 2, Thursday: Baltimore, MD - Otto Bar |August 3, Friday: Washington, DC - Black Cat |August 5, Sunday: New York City, NY - Tonic |August 7, Tuesday: Hoboken, NJ - Maxwells |August 8, Wednesday: Philadelphia, PN - Kyber Pass |August 10, Friday: Boston, MA - TT The Bears |August 11, Saturday, 2pm: Easthampton, MA - Flywheel |August 12, Sunday: Albany, NY - Valentine's |August 13, Monday: Rochester, NY - Monty's Korner |August 14, Tuesday: Cincinnati, OH - Sudsy Malone's |August 15, Wednesday: Detroit, MI - Gold Dollar |August 16, Thursday: Chicago, IL - 7pm Reckless Records (Wicker park) |August 17, Friday: Chicago, IL - Congress Theater at Ladyfest |August 18, Saturday: Madison, WI - Club Tavern |August 19, Sunday: Minneapolis, MN - 400 Bar | | (I just realized how much this reads like a press mailing- | I'm not |affiliated with either of these bands- I swear. But if |high-quality bands- |and nice people to boot- set out on the road and get little |response, I hate |to think of the ramifications.) | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:37:09 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] While we're giving stuff away... _Red_ is still up for grabs. Let me give you West Coasters a chance - I'll ignore anything received before 12:00noon my time (1:00PM Eastern, 10:00AM Pacific). A great album - here's an unsolicited comment from the archives: "I have probably said this here before, but the best guitar solo ever is Robert Fripp's on the King Crimson song "Starless" from the album RED. It consists of climbing up one octave of the chromatic scale over the course of several minutes, and it is pure genius." ...Dan Schmidt, late 1999. Russ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:42:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Vulnerable / Rock assholes On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Eminem brings up the obvious exception: except in hip-hop. Even an > otherwise reasonably intelligent & musical ablum like _Stankonia_ has > a few moments of "bitch"-calling etc. with the zeal of a recent convert i have to point out that this isn't universal in hip-hop, even if it's so pervasive in above-ground records that even, as you point out, relatively sharp critically-acclaimed rappers take periodic stabs at being dickheads. (re: recent conversion. i've raved about Mush Records crew cLOUDDEAD and their labelmate Aesop Rock; see also anything on UK label Big Dada. also, to a lesser extent, the whole gang at www.anticon.com. Dose One, of cLOUDDEAD and Them, is the guy making funny throat noises on track 6 of Bradley's album but, with all due respect to Bradley, that is not Dose's finest moment. it's not that i didn't like hip-hop at all before, but i somehow assumed the stupid attitudes were absolutely unavoidable and so kept my distance.) a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:56:32 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] While we're giving stuff away... Well, we're in the middle of a particularly nailbiting game of What Number Am I Thinking Of for the King Crimson Red album (the first round ended in a TIE!), and I haven't heard from all the participants yet in the second round (you know who you are). Seeing as I'm going home now, I feel obligated to throw this open to all the after-work loudfan types. If you really want Red, and can give a heavy prog album a good home, pick a number between 100 and 1000. My computer has already picked a random number in that range. Whoever is closest wins. Russ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:43:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Vulnerable / Rock assholes On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > Eminem brings up the obvious exception: except in hip-hop. Even an > > otherwise reasonably intelligent & musical ablum like _Stankonia_ has > > a few moments of "bitch"-calling etc. > > with the zeal of a recent convert i have to point out that this isn't > universal in hip-hop, even if it's so pervasive in above-ground records > that even, as you point out, relatively sharp critically-acclaimed rappers > take periodic stabs at being dickheads. I was responding to the remark that assholism seems to be on the decline in popular music in general - but it still seems required for hip-hop artists, at least if they're gonna make it big. I can only comment about mainstream hip-hop folks, since I'm otherwise pretty uninformed about hip-hop. But certainly, what would have characterized '70s rock-starring pretty much carries over entirely to mainstream hip-hop attitudes - with the sole exception that '70s rock stars paid lip service to not being money-grubbing materialists. Hip-hoppers who say "it's all about the benjamins" are at least being honest about it. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::can you write underwater on liquid paper?:: __Zippy__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:20:35 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] While we're giving stuff away... >If you really want Red, and can give a heavy prog album a good >home, pick a number between 100 and 1000. My computer has >already picked a random number in that range. Whoever is >closest wins. I'm glad to hear you're doing it this way. If you had picked the number yourself, I would suspect the whole thing was rigged! Now, did you *ask* your computer to do this, or did it just do it on its own? My computer does things like that, sometimes. Nipples, JS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:44:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] creating and filling a need Now that several of you are going to be needing jewelcases soon, I'll recommend http://sleevecity.nviclassical.com/ as a source for all such things in bulk. Now if only the damned dividends would come through. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"am I being self-referential?":: np: The Danielson Famile _Tri-Danielson!!!_ ("no, there's nothing wrong with your ears - he just sings like that...") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:20:11 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: [loud-fans] Area: One Festival review - -- this review does not include set lists. there were just too damn many songs. it's a review of the festival as much as it is of the performers. and it's long. so was the show. enjoy! - -- Area: One was put together by Moby with the intention of showcasing talented musicians from what he called a 'broad range of hip hop music,' which included rap, rave, techno/house, 'modern rock', regular old hip hop, and was augmented by a DJ tent. It was a pretty impressive thing to see, and the mix of attendees was certainly interesting. To begin at the beginning... The show opened with <>, a French band founded by psychologists Jean-Philippe and Patou. They can be found online at http://www.rinocerose.com/. CMJ says: "Like Mogwai covering Men At Work" I'd classify <> as a mix of house and techno. They played a clean set, but had the stage presence of a drawer full of door knobs, probably because of limited English skills and the fact that they seem to be relatively new to playing to a crowd of that size. I'm sure the lack of enthusiasm on the part of the audience didn't help much, either. Luckily, after the first few tunes, people warmed up to <> and started cheering, which perked up the lead enough for him to say a few choppy words, but no one else on stage spoke at all. 6 out of a possible 10. Next up was The Roots. They can be found at http://www.okayplayer.com/theroots/. Now here's the thing about The Roots - they opened the set with a rap 'tune' (which I'm assuming was some sort of a hit - the crowd loved it) and I immediately thought, 'Ah, shit. Rap. Why am I here?' But there I was, and there I was staying, so I gave it a listen. It was either that or brave the masses of rabidly vending, drinking, and smoking 14 though 50-year olds outside the amphitheatre proper. Nope. Not going there. Here's the strange part: within about 2 minutes, I was absolutely, completely hooked. I spent their entire set with a big old grin on my face and laughing great huge belly laughs at the musical jokes they were playing. (We heard 'samples' from Puttin' On the Ritz, the Inspector Gadget theme song, a variety of classical pieces, Teen Spirit, and a bunch of other unpredictable references.) The Roots don't just rap - they play. BOY do they play. Every single one of them is a very talented musician. The drummer had a spotless, creative, and loooong solo, as did the keyboardist, and the 'VJ' (voice jockey - they don't spin or scratch - it all comes out of this guy's mouth) defies description. (Which means those 'samples' aren't samples at all - the musicians reproduce the original very faithfully.) 9 out of a possible 10. In short, I'm sold. I will be proudly buying my first rap album as soon as I make it to the record store. Which brings me to when I felt like I had the musical taste of a 50-year old. There were more than a handful of, shall we say, distinguished adults (read:balding) in attendance. Now, usually there are at least a few representatives of unexpected age groups at any given show, but there were a lot of folks in their 40's and 50's. This show was billed first and foremost as a festival put together by rave legend Moby. So what were these people doing there? Moby's name is followed immediately by 'New Order,' who was (or is) apparently very, very popular among that age group. Color me stumped, but when New Order took the stage, the 50-something balding guy in front of me starting hopping up and down and clapping like a hyperactive mental patient. In all honesty, New Order was my reason for going, so all of a sudden I felt like I was part of this 40 and 50-something group in some twisted, unfair way. Regardless, and as expected, New Order's set was wonderful, and they had the help of Billy Corgan. They played a couple of new tunes - Crystal is already getting radio play, and is decent, but not great - and backed them up with their old standards - Bizarre Love Triangle, Blue Monday, True Faith, etc. - all of which came off spotlessly. They had partially re-written Blue Monday - it was accompanied by a booming bass line (Bernard Sumner: "Can we turn that up a bit? There's a guy in Manchester can't quite hear it yet.") They put on a very tight performance while cursing like dock workers. 9 out of a possible 10. New Order can be found at http://www.neworderweb.com/. In some things, contrast is good, but putting Outkast immediately after New Order was not one of those things. Just when I was starting to think maybe some rap was good, I got hit full in the face with a rap-for-rap's-sake 'band,' yelling and jumping up and down and generally being noisy, graceless, and just plain old bad. And not 'bad' as in 'phat' - 'bad' as in they stank. Which is appropriate, I suppose, since their latest hit release was an album called Stankonia. During one of their 'songs' they kept repeating what I thought was "pushing the law" - turns out they were actually chanting "pussy galore." I'm assuming this was not in reference to feral cat adoptions. After every 3 minute session of ranting and jumping around, the lead would invariably yell, "Crowd check motha fucka crowd check!" tow or three times - I guess he needed to know if he'd made us all leave yet. Strangely, the tow people in the audience who seemed to be the most into this were the little tiny conservatively dressed Asian woman in front of me, and the Indian guy in the red turban in the next section. They were both, um, putting their arms in the air like they just didn't care. Or something. The only good thing I can say here is that the mix was pretty decent. 3 out of a possible 10. The set finally ended, and there was much rejoicing by me. And on came Moby. If you ever have an opportunity to see Moby perform, do so. The set was gorgeous in all aspects. He used (but did not over use) lighting and laser effects which can only be described as mind-boggling. One of the most interesting facets of this was a lens which allowed little or no light to pass through the center of the lens, creating a halo effect which, in combination with a good deal of smoke machine usage, gave the whole stage a look reminiscent of Van Gogh's Starry Night. Absolutely gorgeous. The music was perfectly mixed, seamlessly performed, and Moby displayed enough charisma to make up for the lack of personality of all of the more sedentary performers from the other bands. He's quite the character. Toward the beginning of the set, he grabbed his guitar and played a few power chords, stopped and grinned at the audience and said, "It's so liberating to stand up here and do that. I always thought it would be great to get old and fat and be in an AC/DC cover band, just so I could do that." To further illustrate his point, he asked the audience, "Does anyone here play the guitar?" One lucky self-proclaimed guitarist found himself on stage in front of some 30,000 baffled audience members, holding Moby's guitar and being told to "play a little something." After about 4 bars, the rest of the band joined in and had a nice little jam session. Moby feigned a bruised ego and started off stage, then turned around and demanded his guitar back. That lucky guy got about 2:30 of playing time! Moby performed a handful of newer pieces, including the recent single South Side, and pulled out 3 of his 'rave anthems,' as he called them. That was what put me over the edge. Having spent a number of years on the outskirts of the rave scene, but never quite becoming involved other than a few random occasions, I still knew the music fairly well. What I didn't know was that nearly everything I remembered from that genre was done by Moby. Imagine my surprise when Ah Ah (from the Coolworld soundtrack) began. The technical side of the performance was so massive and so complex, and yet the personalities of the band members were also a huge contributing factor to its success. I don't know if I've ever seen a performance that was that technically-oriented come off with so much friendliness - they usually seem very contrived and cold. This set was definitely a 10 out of 10, if not better. I can't say much about the DJs, since I pretty much camped out in the amphitheatre, but The Orb was there, along with Paul Oakenfold, Timo Maas, and a few others. Area: One seems to be the first of hopefully a series of Area: X shows. If this was any indicator, I'll certainly be catching the following Area Festivals. - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:31:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Area: One Festival review On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: > Area: One was put together by Moby... > There were more than a handful of, shall we say, distinguished adults > (read:balding) in attendance.... > Regardless, and as expected, New Order's set was wonderful, and they had the > help of Billy Corgan.... I sense a trend here... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"am I being self-referential?":: np: Gift Anon _The Sweetness and the Sarcasm_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:01:10 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Area: One Festival review (We heard 'samples' from Puttin' On the Ritz, the Inspector Gadget theme song, a variety of classical pieces, Teen Spirit, and a bunch of other unpredictable references.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to be annoying, but wasn't the Inspector Gadget theme song sampled in a widely played song about five million years ago (was it in "The Show" or something else from around that time?) I hate to be a wet blanket, but I don't see any of the above as being "unpredictable." Or did you mean that the named samples were predictable but that there were others that were interesting? The other day I heard a rap song that was constructed around a loop of the orchestral bit at the end of "Glass Onion" which struck me as a pretty interesting use of a sample. Never found out the name of the song though. Anyone?? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:17:41 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Area: One Festival review > There were more than a handful of, shall we say, distinguished adults > (read:balding) in attendance.... > Regardless, and as expected, New Order's set was wonderful, and they had the > help of Billy Corgan.... I sense a trend here... >>> it wasn't age discrimination, just a comment :) there were also more kids than i expected, and a good deal of them were with said baby boomers. - ---- (We heard 'samples' from Puttin' On the Ritz, the Inspector Gadget theme song, a variety of classical pieces, Teen Spirit, and a bunch of other unpredictable references.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to be annoying, but wasn't the Inspector Gadget theme song sampled in a widely played song about five million years ago (was it in "The Show" or something else from around that time?) I hate to be a wet blanket, but I don't see any of the above as being "unpredictable." Or did you mean that the named samples were predictable but that there were others that were interesting? >>>>>>>>>>> yes, that's what i meant. sorry it was unclear - it was a long day and a late night.... - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:06:43 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Area: One Festival review > The other day I heard a rap song that was constructed > around a loop of > the orchestral bit at the end of "Glass Onion" which > struck me as a > pretty interesting use of a sample. Never found out the > name of the song > though. Anyone?? I think that's on the latest MF Doom album--a fine, bizarre little underground hip hop record. B > > --dana > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:14:05 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Area: One Festival review My vote for the best Roots album is still Illadelph Halflife, though pretty much all their albums are fine, fine records. I'd start there, though. And Outkast are big heroes of mine right now, though I guess I can't comment on a show I didn't attend. But they're brilliant, really, and, again, you can't go wrong with an album. Stankonia is worth all the hype, but ATLiens is in heavy rotation around here, too. Much as i've loved New Order in the past it's so hard for me to work up any emotion about a reunion/new album. Especially whn Billy Corgan is involved. Anyhow, enjoyed watching Bonds knock one out of the park tonight at Pac Bell--lovely. Boo ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #180 *******************************