From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #178 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, July 31 2001 Volume 01 : Number 178 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Re: nitpicking nitpicking [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] Re: Nitpicking up the wazoo [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] CD storage again [Dan Sallitt ] RE: [loud-fans] CD storage again [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] giveaway update II [Elizabeth Setler ] Re: [loud-fans] Still King [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] giveaway update II [mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew] Re: [loud-fans] giveaway update II [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] giveaway update II [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] Toby DVDammit [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Wetlands closes [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] Convinced [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] giveaway update II [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Convinced [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Free Porco Rosso screening in NYC (NS) [steve Subject: [loud-fans] Re: nitpicking nitpicking At 03:57 PM 7/30/01 -0700, Matthew Weber wrote: >At 05:36 PM 7/30/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >> Again, Zappa's a good >>comparison: at one point, he was so frustrated by the crappy sound quality >>and substandard playing (by FZ's notoriously exacting criteria) of _We're >>Only in it for the Money_ that he overdubbed new drums and bass. Problem >>was, the very-eighties new tracks (including a big fat wobbly fretless >>courtesy Patrick O'Hearn) sounded ridiculous placed atop the vintage >>tracks of the rest of the album. Fortunately, before he died, he had the >>sense to go back and remaster the original release, with the original, if >>technically limited, drum and bass tracks. > >Er, actually it was Scott Thunes (Patrick O'Hearn having left the band ~10 >years previous to make new age records). Ah, but Mr. O'Hearn's largely undistinguished new age career didn't start until 1985! He actually left Zappa's employ along with Terry Bozzio and Warren Cucurullo to form Missing Persons around 79/80! > >Obviously I should have something better to do, shouldn't I? Like I shouldn't? S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:05:41 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Nitpicking up the wazoo At 05:49 PM 7/30/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Toby Dammit TOP DOLLAR >--named after Euro film character, recommendation by a Cryptic Corp. guy! Ahem. Toby Dammit is the main character in Edgar Allan Poe's "Never Bet the Devil Your Head," one of the few instances of Mr. Mopey possessing a fully-functioning sense of humor. S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Charity Stafford Subject: Re: [loud-fans] giveaway update II JeFF wrote: > Toby Dammit TOP DOLLAR > --named after Euro film character, recommendation by a Cryptic > Corp. guy! Named after the film character but not after the Edgar Allan Poe character? VERY funny story - dunno about the short film, which I've never seen. Charity (whose late cat was also named Toby Dammit.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:37:44 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: [loud-fans] CD storage again I'm contemplating making the jump to storing my CDs in plastic sleeves and throwing away the jewel boxes, as aesthetically unsatisfying as that is, and I thought I'd solicit info from those of you who have done so already. 1) A necessary condition for me to do this would be sleeves that go into a three-hole-punch folder, so that new CDs can be easily inserted in alphabetical order. Do such things exist? 2) A fair number of my CDs are in cardboard cases rather than in jewel boxes, and I'd be loathe to throw those away, as they contain the design and liner notes. How do y'all deal with that issue? Sorry if this stuff has come up already on list. Private replies are okay. Thanks. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:56:32 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] CD storage again we use 3 hole cd sleeve pages in binders for all our software here at work. you can even fit a jewel case in those pockets, if you're careful. they're designed for that. i think they came from staples or some other such office supply store. - -- brianna bradley - -----Original Message----- From: Dan Sallitt [mailto:sallitt@micro-net.com] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 11:38 AM To: loud-fans Subject: [loud-fans] CD storage again I'm contemplating making the jump to storing my CDs in plastic sleeves and throwing away the jewel boxes, as aesthetically unsatisfying as that is, and I thought I'd solicit info from those of you who have done so already. 1) A necessary condition for me to do this would be sleeves that go into a three-hole-punch folder, so that new CDs can be easily inserted in alphabetical order. Do such things exist? 2) A fair number of my CDs are in cardboard cases rather than in jewel boxes, and I'd be loathe to throw those away, as they contain the design and liner notes. How do y'all deal with that issue? Sorry if this stuff has come up already on list. Private replies are okay. Thanks. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:11:23 -0700 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] giveaway update II At 7:02 PM -0400 7/30/01, Charity Stafford wrote: >JeFF wrote: > >> Toby Dammit TOP DOLLAR >> --named after Euro film character, recommendation by a Cryptic >> Corp. guy! > >Named after the film character but not after the Edgar >Allan Poe character? VERY funny story - dunno about the >short film, which I've never seen. There's also a porn director named Toby Dammit. (What? There IS!) - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:31:36 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] CD storage again You can buy the binder pages in bulk from Polyline: http://www.polylinecorp.com/cddvd.html The page only shows the kind that hold jewelboxes (2 CDs each, $1.47 in quantities of 40 to 200, down from there), but their PDF catalog has the non-jewel-box-holding kind as well (4 CDs each, $0.57 in quanties of 50 to 250, down from there). It doesn't look to me as if the latter will hold tray cards comfortably, although it's hard to tell. Polyline has a zillion CD packaging options; it's worth taking a gander at the catalog. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:37:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Nitpicking up the wazoo On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > At 05:49 PM 7/30/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >Toby Dammit TOP DOLLAR > >--named after Euro film character, recommendation by a Cryptic Corp. guy! > > Ahem. Toby Dammit is the main character in Edgar Allan Poe's "Never Bet > the Devil Your Head," one of the few instances of Mr. Mopey possessing a > fully-functioning sense of humor. Yes...but all the promo materials mention only the movie, so... - -j ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:45:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Still King On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > In the meantime, I highly recommend KING RICHARD'S COLLECTIBLES by their RQ > labelmates The Asteroid No. 4. Sounds like BETTER CAN'T MAKE YOUR LIFE > BETTER-era Lilys (Kurt Hasley co-produced), but with more consistently good > songs and a less overtly retro sound. Is it better than their _Apple Street_ ep? Because that one never did much for me...not bad, just not good. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I'M ONLY AS LARGE AS AN ANT AND I'M HIDING INSIDE YOUR CAR:: __cryptic placemat phrase, Madison WI, 1986__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:01:44 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Still King At 07:45 PM 7/30/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > >> In the meantime, I highly recommend KING RICHARD'S COLLECTIBLES by their RQ >> labelmates The Asteroid No. 4. Sounds like BETTER CAN'T MAKE YOUR LIFE >> BETTER-era Lilys (Kurt Hasley co-produced), but with more consistently good >> songs and a less overtly retro sound. > >Is it better than their _Apple Street_ ep? Because that one never did much >for me...not bad, just not good. Ah. If you didn't like that, you're not gonna like this, because all of the EP's tracks minus the little space rock guitar thing hidden at the end are repeated here (only remixed, I think, but some may be new recordings), and the seven new tracks are more of the same. It's all a major jump from their debut, INTRODUCING THE ASTEROID NO. 4, which sounded like My Bloody Valentine covering Hawkwind, and when I interviewed the singer last week, he said that the new album will be a further jump from this, so maybe you'll dig that more. S NP: QUESTIONS--Paul Bley Trio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] giveaway update II At 5:11 PM 7/30/1, Elizabeth Setler wrote: >There's also a porn director named Toby Dammit. > >(What? There IS!) Has Prieboy done some work for him? A composer friend of mine just last week declared his ambition to do porno soundtracks... Matt Laws: We know what they are, and what they are worth! They are spider webs for the rich and mighty, steel chains for the poor and weak, fishing nets in the hands of the government. Pierre Joseph Proudhon, quoted in _The Match!_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:12:50 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] giveaway update II In a message dated 7/30/01 5:25:20 PM, elizabeth@fringehead.com writes: << There's also a porn director named Toby Dammit. >> Although that roly-poly redhead was unfamiliar with both Edgar Allan Poe and Terence Stamp, and instead was given the moniker by no less than the legendary Johnny Legend. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:39:10 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] giveaway update II Charity Stafford wrote: > > JeFF wrote: > > > Toby Dammit TOP DOLLAR > > --named after Euro film character, recommendation by a Cryptic > > Corp. guy! > > Named after the film character but not after the Edgar > Allan Poe character? VERY funny story - dunno about the > short film, which I've never seen. > > Charity > (whose late cat was also named Toby Dammit.) If you mean the Fellini short, it's very cool. I would like to have it, but it was on some film that had 3 shorts by 3 different film-makers, in a series called Trilogy, I believe, but I don't know which edition it is. Anyone have more info? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:47:32 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Toby DVDammit In a message dated 7/30/01 6:44:20 PM, sleeveless@citynet.net writes: << If you mean the Fellini short, it's very cool. I would like to have it, but it was on some film that had 3 shorts by 3 different film-makers, in a series called Trilogy, I believe, but I don't know which edition it is. Anyone have more info? >> The short is actually the final segment of "Spirits of the Dead," just recently released on DVD. And fans of the film can contact me off-list for related stories involving Terence Stamp and/or an Alabama weatherman dressed up like Dracula. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:41:49 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Wetlands closes > > In an age where clubs are designed to cater to a niche demographic, > > Wetlands welcomed everyone without the ego of a velvet rope at the > > entrance. Just need to say that Wetlands once kept me and a bunch of other paying customers waiting behind a non-velvet rope, assuring us that we were about to get in, while the band we were waiting for started their set and played a sizable portion of it (I don't know if the other poor saps ever got in; I walked away in a huff). A stream of important-looking people were admitted while we waited. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:46:38 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Convinced > Vulnerability, whether in a male or female performer, seems to turn > these guys off to an extent which I find worrying - Isn't that true of many rock critics, not just Marcus and Christgau? Vulnerability is acceptable if it leavens a generally tough persona, but not otherwise. It's the rock ethic. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:01:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] giveaway update II My unsolicited thoughts on things that Jeffrey should have been able to give away... On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > A-Set SONGS FROM THE RED ROOM Nice high-strung drawly indiepop. Someone should definitely take this. > Bride of No-No B.O.N.N. APETIT! Solo project of... um... a Scissor Girl? Someone no-wavy. > Conn, Bobby RISE UP! His "Never Get Ahead" (which continues "...giving head to the Man") was great, but I seem to recall its tunefulness fading away for this album. But surely someone is curious. > Grand Island NAUGHTY FRENCH SPOT > Grand Island SONGS FOR RUBELLA More no-wavy, post-Fugazi sort of stuff. I think they're from around here. > Me Phi Me ONE How many A-B-A band names are there? Me Phi Me, 3 Mustaphas 3, Bim Skala Bim, Cop Shoot Cop, Was Not Was, I Against I... this is fun. (I've always wanted to name my band, if I had one, "Z Smash Z". It's a math thing.) > Oneida STEEL ROD EP Sometimes noise-folk, sometimes yowly garage rock. I forget which one this EP is. > Tej Leo(?) RX/PHARMACISTS Though this album isn't great, there are a few great songs on it. Boston mod dude, likes some of the same guitar effects that New Pornographers nicked from Scott. Beware: the filler is largely noise/tape-collage, if that bothers you. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:48:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Convinced On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Dan Sallitt wrote: > > Vulnerability, whether in a male or female performer, seems to turn > > these guys off to an extent which I find worrying - > > Isn't that true of many rock critics, not just Marcus and Christgau? > Vulnerability is acceptable if it leavens a generally tough persona, but > not otherwise. It's the rock ethic. - Dan Y'know, what's funny here is, weren't we talking about Aimee Mann? Oh yeah, she's always seemed so very vulnerable, squashable like a wet paper bag... Yeesh. (That was irony.) Anyhoo, was it Jon Tveite who commented on the (hopefully) declining prevalence of assholeness as part of the "rock ethic"? For some reason, I was theoretizing the other day, probably while driving home from work (I think New York ought to pass a law against thinking while driving...), and I fairly persuaded myself that there have been two major, revolutionary changes in rock (and roll) history: (1) the confluence of the Beatles, Dylan, and the Byrds (confluxifating the two), which moved both lyrics and music beyond either blues- or teen-based format; and (2) the wake of the punk revolution, which, perhaps surprisingly, given the reputation of punk per se, not only allowed bands to jettison blues influence entirely(*) but, in setting itself up against the big, bloated rock star image, cleared the way for musicians to just be normal, non-egotistical folks. I mean, obviously, there are a zillion qualifications to be addendum'd here - - but, uh, comments? (*) This probably would have happened regardless, just because of timing: at some point, it was just no longer the case that the '50s rock repertoire formed common ground among rock musicians. Except in certain specialized circles, I seriously doubt you could round up a bunch of young musicians who'd never played together and expect them to be capable of a passable run through "Blue Suede Shoes." Even the Beatles are about to disappear over that particular horizon - hell, even yer '70s hard rock acts are going that way soon. (That is, as the music you can assume as lingua franca among any random batch of teens and early twenties musicians...the real problem is, which acts/styles are?) (Just consider yourself lucky I didn't throw out my circle-of-fifths vs. circle-of-fourths vs. major-minor theory of musical styles...) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ last played: _Yellow Pills 4_ (in the car) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:09:24 -0500 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] Free Porco Rosso screening in NYC (NS) Ever the Hayao Miyazaki booster, I must point out that his PORCO ROSSO is showing for free at 7PM this Saturday at The Brooklyn Museum of Art. http://www.brooklynart.org/information/firstsaturday.html - - Steve __________ The Bush administration, facing opposition in Congress over proposals to open more of Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico to oil drilling, is exploring ways to speed oil development on federal lands in the West without congressional approval. - Mark Jaffe, Bloomberg ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #178 *******************************