From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #173 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, July 27 2001 Volume 01 : Number 173 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] transient random noise bursts w/remotes (o/t) [mick ] Re: [loud-fans] Barbara Manning [Matthew Weber ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 03:46:40 -0400 From: mick Subject: [loud-fans] transient random noise bursts w/remotes (o/t) >(Jeff) > My Onkyo Integra integrated amplifier, after ten to fifteen years > of dedicated service, is showing signs of being ready to retire... > > ...let's say I'd like to spend less than $500 but could probably > swing twice that if I really had to. I'm in the same boat right now, doing research. I'm also completely uninterested in home theater as well. From what I managed to find out so far, integrateds from NAD, Cambridge Audio, and Rotel all seem to be worthy contenders in this price range. Also, check out http://www.audioreview.com/reviews/Integrated/ mick "the music you are listening to is completely electronic." -- raymond scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:50:16 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Worst Movie Ever, Revisited Andy wrote - > David Edelstein just posted "Ten Acclaimed Movies You Have Reason To > Hate" at MSN.com. Three films I actually like, but I expected about > that many. OK, I'll take the bait: which ones? I'm not quite sure why Edelstein got so worked up about a movie as inconsequential as 'Outbreak' (I actually quite liked Dustin Hoffman's 'unlikely action hero' turn in that movie, especially since unlike Nic Cage he's had the good sense not to devalue the element of surprise by trying to repeat the formula). Also, 'Natural Born Killers', 'Mississippi Burning', 'The Patriot', and 'Life is Beautiful' - Oscars notwithstanding - all received a lot of brickbats as far as I can remember, so I don't think that they necessarily merited inclusion on the list. What might be more interesting would be a list of critically panned movies which people should have some reason to like. It normally takes about 20 years or so before people start sticking their heads above the parapet and saying 'actually, that was a pretty good movie', 'cause that way you can claim that the film in question was misunderstood at the time it was released, but I'd like to see the odd critic doing the same for more recent releases. (I think my interest in this idea was piqued by the number of disparaging 'Godfather III' references I've seen on TV recently, notably on 'The Simpsons', 'The Sopranos', and 'The Larry Sanders Show'. Sure, it's nowhere near as good as parts I and II, but it now seems to be acquiring the reputation of being one of the worst movies ever made, which it ain't *really*... it's anything but a masterpiece, but I don't feel it's a total disgrace.) peace & love phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:37:31 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Worst Movie Ever, Revisited > > David Edelstein just posted "Ten Acclaimed Movies You Have Reason To > > Hate" at MSN.com. Three films I actually like, but I expected about > > that many. I always love lists like this. If I had to make my list of "Ten Acclaimed Movies You Have Reason To Hate" I'd probably put TERMS OF ENDEARMENT on it ten times. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:32:11 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Worst Movie Ever, Revisited I had to be first. Its [sic] like Neil Armstrong walking on the moon. No matter how many people accomplish the feat afterwards, it will always be Armstrong who will be remembered for doing it first. And, best of all, it was an American. - --Billy Mitchell on racking up the first-ever perfect score on Pac-Man (arcade version), July 3, 1999. From http://www.twingalaxies.com/PR-Pac-Man_World_Record.html (courtesy Doug Taylor) <><><><><><><><><><> Wow. Second World War aviation hero, an airport named after him in Milwaukee, now this? I'm impressed. The retention of such hand-eye coordination alone at his age is some sort of achievement. - --D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:40:16 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Worst Movie Ever, Revisited >> David Edelstein just posted "Ten Acclaimed Movies You Have Reason To >> Hate" at MSN.com. Three films I actually like, but I expected about >> that many. You win. AMADEUS, HENRY: PORTRAIT OF A SERIAL KILLER (though I don't plan on seeing it again), and RAIN MAN. Now I get to see if JAY AND SILENT BOB can out-gutter SCARY MOVIE 2, Andy "There is but one step from the sublime to the ridiculous." - --attributed to Napoleon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:09:49 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] electronic Yvonne Craig reproduction equipment >I think the reason it is on my >mind is because the original 1966 Batman movie (from whence this quote >comes) is coming out on DVD next month. I hear it's even got a commentary >track of Adam West and Burt Ward talking about their sexual misadventures >from those days. For those who don't want to wait, and/or prefer the modern crudity of that Holmes-Ginsbook Device, may I recommend Burt Ward's BOY WONDER: MY LIFE IN TIGHTS, and Adam West's BACK TO THE BATCAVE: THE REAL STORY BEHIND "BATMAN." Available at your local public library. Be sure to wear rubber gloves, though, Andy "Christianity taught men that love is worth more than intelligence." - --Jacques Maritain, from I BELIEVE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:19:18 +0100 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] electronic noise reproduction equipment Rog: > ::Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb:: > >__Batman__ > > I've been using this quote a LOT lately. You'd be surprised at how often > it can apply to standard work situations. I think the reason it is on my > mind is because the original 1966 Batman movie (from whence this quote > comes) is coming out on DVD next month. I hear it's even got a > commentary > track of Adam West and Burt Ward talking about their sexual misadventures > from those days. My favourite of all the Batman movies, this is kitsch with a capital K, full of wonderful one-liners - I haven't seen it for a while but there's another line (in a segment of the movie where Batman and Robin come up against some winos) that goes something like "They may be drinkers, Robin, but they're still human beings". Talking of kitsch, I just watched my first Indian "Bollywood" movie "Taal" - UK Channel 4 is running a late night season - and it was fab! Over 3 hours long, ludicrous script (total babe country girl meets sophisticated but accident prone city boy with nice dog and daft hair cut, spend all night doing yoga on mountain top, declare undying love, parents then fall out big time, girl wanders into stadium full of singers and dancers, is spotted by completely outrageous svengali character who makes her into greatest pop singer in the world but ties her into contract where she can't marry for 3 years, city boy still badgering her, saves scarf she gave him from burning building and sets himself on fire, svengali about to marry girl, city boy gets beaten up trying to change her mind, dog to the rescue, you can guess the rest...) seriously over the top acting, but the choreography, music and dancing was spectacular. Orchestras and millions of dancers appear as if by magic. Considering its length there were some amazing jump cuts where you are left thinking "what the hell's going on here?". Wow. Highly recommended for the jaded movie palate. Only problem is that my ancient 14" TV could only display a 8" high slit of the widescreen image, with subtitles displayed below. On the big screen this could be amazing fun. Ian np David Crosby - If I Could Only Remember My Name ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:49:00 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Worst Movie Ever, Revisited phil sez: (I think my interest in this idea was piqued by the number of disparaging 'Godfather III' references I've seen on TV recently, notably on 'The Simpsons', 'The Sopranos', and 'The Larry Sanders Show'. Sure, it's nowhere near as good as parts I and II, but it now seems to be acquiring the reputation of being one of the worst movies ever made, which it ain't *really*... it's anything but a masterpiece, but I don't feel it's a total disgrace.) <><><><><><><><><> I haven't seen this since the initial theatrical release, but I remember halfway liking that movie. Sure, it's not as good as I & II. Sure, the casting nepotism proved unwise. Sure, the plot would have seemed more coherent if the images in the montage using the photo of Roberto Calvi hanging under the bridge had had some explanatory context. But its failure was in it's not living up to its aspiration to be epic; as simple entertainment, I didn't think it was all that bad, actually. Of course, if I saw it again today, I might pick up previously undetected suckiness, and I have no plans to rent it to find out, so I'm not on any sort of soapbox to convert the world to reappreciation. Nor would I be inclined to dismiss I or II as "simple entertainment". chocolate Malta, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:36:43 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: FW: [loud-fans] bumbershooters? oh MAN!!! i'v worked with spalding gray - incredible guy, hysterical, and very intelligent. he's a great performer. god, i'd ,ove to see this, but i really doubt i'll be able to - i may be in the area right before that, and i'll be moving up there right after, but i'll be at burningman that week... damn.... go see spalding.... - -- brianna bradley - -----Original Message----- From: jenny grover [mailto:sleeveless@citynet.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:27 PM To: loud-fans Subject: [loud-fans] bumbershooters? any loud-fans planning on attending bumbershoot in seattle this year? the line-up includes a lot of performers who have gotten favorable mention on here (www.bumbershoot.org). i'm trying to decide whether or not to go. i'm leaning toward going, but am trying to work out some logistics, expenses, etc. before i decide. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:48:30 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Barbara Manning I was looking at the local music schedule and noticed that Barbara Manning and the Go Luckys are playing in town next Wednesday night. Is this a show I should not miss? I'm only familiar with her solo album 1212, and though I liked it a lot, that was some time ago and I haven't heard any of her more recent things. Isn't she from the Bay area? - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:56:51 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Barbara Manning At 02:48 PM 7/26/01 -0400, Larry Tucker wrote: >I was looking at the local music schedule and noticed that Barbara >Manning and the Go Luckys are playing in town next Wednesday night. Is >this a show I should not miss? I'm only familiar with her solo album >1212, and though I liked it a lot, that was some time ago and I haven't >heard any of her more recent things. Isn't she from the Bay area? > She's from Chico or someplace like that originally, I think. Anyway, I've only seen her play solo, so I can't comment about the band, but I think she's a great live performer, who probably comes across better on stage than she does on record. I've also heard that she's inconsistent, though. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:08:02 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Barbara Manning At 12:56 PM 7/26/01 -0600, Stewart Mason wrote: >At 02:48 PM 7/26/01 -0400, Larry Tucker wrote: > >I was looking at the local music schedule and noticed that Barbara > >Manning and the Go Luckys are playing in town next Wednesday night. Is > >this a show I should not miss? I'm only familiar with her solo album > >1212, and though I liked it a lot, that was some time ago and I haven't > >heard any of her more recent things. Isn't she from the Bay area? > > >She's from Chico or someplace like that originally, I think. Anyway, I've >only seen her play solo, so I can't comment about the band, but I think >she's a great live performer, who probably comes across better on stage >than she does on record. I've also heard that she's inconsistent, though. > >S She used to live in SF--as a matter of fact, she was a clerk at the now-defunct Restless Records on Haight St. But she decamped a few years ago. Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley The entire land sets out to work, All beasts browse on their herbs; Trees, herbs are sprouting, Birds fly from their nests. . . . Ships fare north, fare south as well, Roads lie open when you rise; The fish in the river dart before you, Your rays are in the midst of the sea. _The Great Hymn to the Aten_ (c. 1350 B.C.), St. 3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:42:30 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Worst Movie Ever, Revisited >--Billy Mitchell on racking up the first-ever perfect score on Pac-Man >(arcade version), July 3, 1999. From >http://www.twingalaxies.com/PR-Pac-Man_World_Record.html >Wow. Second World War aviation hero, an airport named after him in Milwaukee, >now this? I'm impressed. The retention of such hand-eye coordination alone at >his age is some sort of achievement. Even more amazing, he plain cheated death and reversed the aging process: http://www.findagrave.com/pictures/720.html The physical resemblance (visit both links) IS uncanny... Just like Timothy Charles Buckley III, Andy "Get some more from the reservoir." - --credited to Samuel Goldwyn, after being told the Western he was working on required more Native American extras ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:21:47 -0500 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: [loud-fans] a bit of UNIX help por favor Hey loud-fans, Any UNIX experts out there? I have a bit of a problem, and my manuals and the "man" command aren't helping me much...... Any help would be greatly appreciated. If you need more information, don't understand something, need to see the entire program, know the answer, or want to discuss your consulting fees, you can mail me at zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu thanks in advance, andrew np: Donna Lewis I Love You Always and Forever -- a guilty pleasure for sure here is the problem: a progam autogenerates an e-mail message that is sent to my regular e-mail if certain directories are close to filling up. The program works perfectly from my master host server , but from any other server, it sends the file as an attachment with the following error as the message text, and you have to open the attachment to view the mail: "This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set." the command in the shell script I am using is: mailx -s space_issues_on_$host drewheyman@netscape.net 2>>/dev/null < mail_file Question: does anyone know of a way to specify the font/character set for 1 message, or of a better command to use than mailx. The only requirement is that the message is autogenerated and sent to my regular e-mail client, not to my UNIX email client... I can't change to a better e- mail client, and people barely proficient in UNIX have to be able to see these messages. I can add fonts though, so is there any way to tell which font/ character set UNIX is using? (besides process of elimination of course) Notes: my unix client (Xoftware) doesn't offer the opportunity to change the font that I can find... all of the servers have mail set up on them.. ".elm" mail.... mail_file is a simple text file that looks something like this: ****************************************************** Mail_File started 25-Jul-01 15:42 cst host=acdc ******************************************************** warning: /tlgvar/CONFIG is at 94% and needs to be cleaned! ****************************************************** Mail_File finished with success 25-Jul-01 15:44 cst ******************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:39:58 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] man the lifeboats! eunuchs overboard! Larry -- The little EP Manning did with the Go Luckys (a German band) is, in my opinion, the best thing she's done in years (i'm not a fan of 1212, though it has its moments.) Good band, sympathetic arrangements, an ace batch of tunes. SHe has plenty more ace tunes in her back catalog (esp. _Latley I Keep Scissors_, a nearly perfect record) and usually trots them out live. Go go go, I say. Press record, even. Andrew -- At a cursory glance my first thought would be to try getting the asterisk banners out of the mail text, because I hypothesize that they might be confusing the issue. For example, I finally figured out that if I send a text attachment in which all lines are fewer than 255 chars, the file is attached as text. If any line in the file is over 255 chars, it gets attached as binary. The problem (imho) is that mail programs -- on both ends -- are attmepting to make 'smart' decisions about the messages they process. as far as i know "font" should be a virtually meaningless word in terms of mail originating on a UNIX box. That being so, I'd look for other iterms in the delivery chain that might be fouling things up. - -- d. p.s. for anyone who cares: i'm in luhrve, i got laid off, shoddy workmanship finally found a new drummer, i have to learn to "groove" now, and we'll be conquering the universe shortly thereafter. life is fascinating. seems to beat the alternative. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #173 *******************************