From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #166 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, July 20 2001 Volume 01 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] News from the music biz [Michael Bowen ] [loud-fans] our last party.... [bbradley@namesecure.com] [loud-fans] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5Bloud-fans=5D_RIP_Mimi_Fari=F1a?= ["Andr] [loud-fans] a sig for Andy Hamlin (ns, of course) [Cindy Alvarez ] Re: [loud-fans] Carly Simon? [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: [loud-fans] RIP Mimi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fari=F1a?= [Jef] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[loud-fans]_RIP_Mimi_Fari=F1a?= [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] Why?? (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] RE: [loud-fans] Why?? (ns) [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] Why?? (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] RIP Mimi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fari=F1a?= [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] Why?? (ns) [Cardinal007@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] RIP Mimi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fari=F1a?= [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jef] Re: [loud-fans] Why?? (ns) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] News from the music biz http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2001/07/19/industry_downturn/index.html Apparently, they're looking at the first year in ages when record sales and concert ticket sales are down. Discuss? MB np: "Grudges" - Reign Of Frogs Prog-rock lives! (Yes, that's a compliment!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:55:53 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RIP_Mimi_Fari=F1a?= http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/07/19/MNL97811.DTL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:38:29 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5Bloud-fans=5D_RIP_Mimi_Fari=F1a?= This is indeed sad. I've never actually heard the two albums Richard and Mimi cut together--opinions? Has anyone read the David Hadju book on Richard, Mimi, Joan, and Bob? Don't think right...it's all twice... Andy "heyba manmba -- i lurve the white stripes' *white blood cells.* lo on the fi, hi on the rawk nrg factor, smart lyrics, and a whiny male vocal that goes wayyy past doug martsch into gordon gano territory. i've deemed it my official summer album, perfect for car trips to wherever, as long as you're moving." - --a record review from Amy Lewis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:44:29 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[loud-fans]_RIP_Mimi_Fari=F1a?= >This is indeed sad. I've never actually heard the two albums Richard and >Mimi cut together--opinions? My favorite Sixties folk music (although I should qualify that by stating that, inexplicably, I've never gotten around to checking out early Dylan). Richard's writing is elliptical and witty, the opposite of the protest-song stereotype, and both sing and play very well. Highly recommended. There's also a third odds-n-sods album, MEMORIES, which is worthwhile but should be left for last. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:52:55 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: [loud-fans] RIP Mimi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fari=F1a?= At 12:38 PM 7/19/01 -0700, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >This is indeed sad. I've never actually heard the two albums Richard and >Mimi cut together--opinions? Classics of the genre, worthy of veneration. Unlike her sister Joan, who seemingly had no clue what the songs she was singing were actually about and therefore sang with a near-total lack of inflection, subtlety or wit, Mimi was a gifted interpreter, and Richard had one of the best voices in folk, not to mention being a hell of a songwriter. "Pack Up Your Sorrows" and "Bold Marauder" alone make his name. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:00:28 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] ...and elsewhere in Bookland... >nr Nick Hornby _How to Be Good_. High Fidelity fans may be interested to >know that Dick has a cameo (wherein we learn he's back to being single). Might be the author risking an autobiographical dab. Anybody else read this one, or the collection of short stories he edited, SPEAKING WITH THE ANGEL? What the heck did happen to Rosie & The Originals... Andy ASSOCIATED PRESS July 19, 2001 | ST. LOUIS -- City Hall is in a furor after a member of the Board of Aldermen apparently urinated in a waste basket rather than yield the floor during a filibuster. During meeting Tuesday, Alderman Irene Smith and three other members were trying to hold up debate over a redistricting plan they said would hurt blacks. Acting Adermanic President James Shrewsbury ruled Smith must yield if she left for a restroom break. So about 40 minutes later, her aides surrounded her with a sheet, tablecloth and quilt while she appeared to use a trash can to relieve herself. "What I did behind that tablecloth is my business," Smith said after the board quit without voting on the issue. Some aldermen were critical of Smith. "No one was stopping her. She chose not to go to hold control of the floor," said Alderman Kenneth Ortmann. And Alderman Kenneth Jones said Shrewsbury's ruling was proper because filibusters are "a test to see which side can last the longest." Smith's allies argued that Shrewsbury disregarded common courtesy. "This is about sensitivity to people's needs," Alderman Gregory Carter said. "We're talking about a basic bodily function." Supporters of Smith also complained that female aldermen are at a disadvantage because the closest women's restroom is down the hall, while a men's room is adjacent to the chamber. Shrewsbury, who is white, also was accused of racism by Smith's supporters, most of whom were black. He said he would have ruled the same way regardless of sex or race. Mayor Francis Slay said Smith's conduct was unacceptable and could hurt the city's image. His chief of staff, Jeff Rainford, put it this way: "The people in Butler, Missouri, must think we're a bunch of morons." [--from http://www.salon.com/people/wire/2001/07/19/smith/index.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:04:39 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: [loud-fans] RIP Mimi Fariņa >This is indeed sad. I've never actually heard the two albums Richard and >Mimi cut together--opinions? I have the second album,which apparently is similar to the first but more electric. I like it quite a bit--really melodic, lyrically clever, and they're excellent singers. Each voice is mixed to one side, and I enjoy listening to just the speaker with Mimi's voice. It's not that I don't like Richard's, but I do wish they didn't sing together on every song. A few songs are uncanny Dylan copies, not sounding like any particular song but sounding exactly like something he would have done on BRINGING IT ALL BACK HOME or HIGHWAY 61 REVISITED. Richard Farina's book, on the other hand, is the kind of 60s post-beat counterculture "look-at-me-I'm-so-hip" breast-beating that drives me up the wall. Lots of people think it's a classic, though, so who knows? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:22:20 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ...and elsewhere in Bookland... At 01:00 PM 7/19/01 -0700, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >What the heck did happen to Rosie & The Originals... Dunno about the Originals, but Rosie played a rock and roll revival show here just a couple of months ago. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:29:26 -0500 From: "Jeff Downing" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RIP Mimi Fariņa There's a good John Leonard review of Positively 4th Street (which focuses on the lives of Joan, Bob, Richard, and Mimi) at the NY Review of Books site: http://www.nybooks.com/nyrev/WWWfeatdisplay.cgi?20010719013R It's rather refreshing to see someone really skewering ole Zimmy after wading through all of the bland "Bob Turns 60!" encomiums. Jeff Baez has recorded this exchange with Dylan, in March 1965: "I asked him what made us different, and he said it was simple, that I thought I could change things, and he knew that no one could." It was a puerile thing to say, a species of adolescent fatalism, a waste of our precious time. No wonder he's back on the bus. If we really have to choose between, on the one hand, sex, drugs, rock-and-roll, and the world exactly as it is and ever shall be, or, on the other hand, such Sixties folkie fantasies as social justice, racial harmony, peaceable kingdoms, and of course Joan Baez-well, where do I sign? John Leonard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:35:36 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: [loud-fans] our last party.... from: ed and brianna location: The Loch - 5295 Laguna Court, Discovery Bay, CA View Map phone: 925 240 5295 when: Saturday, August 11, 8:00pm The Perseids will make their way 'cross California's sky and from our deck in Disco Bay we'll watch them all go by. The stars will fall for 30 days, but half way through's the show. The peak is August 12th this year - not many days to go! The town's quite dark, no city's near, no straying ambient light to distract us from our gazing at the shooting stars that night. The Moon will be one quarter full (t'will look to us like half) eleven-fotry-two's when it will make it through our path. 0:49's the shower's peak (I've really done my math!) and if you come, i promise you you'll 'ooh!' and 'ahh!' and laugh! I'll post some signs to ask the neighbors to douse their outdoor lights. There aren't that many anyhow to brighten up our nights. The sun will set at eight-O-sev'n and that's when you'll arrive. By 9pm it's really dark, night starts eight-thirty-five. One warning to the folks who've come to parties here before: We've bought a house, we're counting change, can't cater here no more. Of course we'll have the usual bunch of bottles full of booze, but if there's one you specially want, please bring your own to choose. The food won't be extravagant or plentiful that night, So bring something for everyone - we'll share and share alike. We'll see you there! You better come! We'll miss you if you're not. And if you're in absentia, we'll cover you in snot. More Information on the Perseids at: http://comets.amsmeteors.org/meteors/showers/perseids.html If you'd like to come, please let me know, so i can put you on the evite and keep a rough tally.... - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:48:36 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5Bloud-fans=5D_RIP_Mimi_Fari=F1a?= >It's rather refreshing to see someone really skewering ole Zimmy after >wading >through all of the bland "Bob Turns 60!" encomiums. I recently finished DOWN THE HIGHWAY: THE LIFE OF BOB DYLAN, by Howard Sounes, and that's a comprehensive, and in many places unflattering, look at the subject. Now I know where Lester got his shower allergy, Andy Me. My high-pressure stove-top expresso-maker. Coffee that is ground too fine for the machine. So that it clogs the vessel. And only fills half-way. Hmmm. bastard-fuck machine!!! Me pulls the handle, and opens it..... While it is still pressurized. Kerploooooof........splatttttttt.......... Yes....quite a stupid thing to do in hindsight. Stunned, me surveys the situation. Me looking like Wylie-coyote Kitchen looking like Nagasaki Except there was no coffee on the ceiling in Nagasaki. - - rap@ibl.bm [--from www.lowbrow.com ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:56:07 -0700 From: Cindy Alvarez Subject: [loud-fans] a sig for Andy Hamlin (ns, of course) What did you think of hubby David Duchovny's butt-baring in Evolution? Well, you know, we did some ass-painting recently. With your kid? No, not with our kid! What do you think we are? It did not involve children. Explain, please. I was the paint loader of David's ass - and I say that because I want a little credit. Frankly, I don't think he could have painted as well [without me]. What did you paint? You don't exactly paint with your ass. Well, really, you do paint with your ass. Oh, what you do is load up the person's buttocks. I don't mean "load up." Let me say, just pat it in a general area and use different color schemes. You can imagine what will happen when you take the canvas and sit on it. And when he did sit on it, some were the perfect sit, some of them we spanked a little bit, no smearing because that didn't seem like such a good idea. We put them up for an animal rights auction, [the slogan of] which is "Meat. Don't eat it, paint with it." Did the paintings sell? I think we got 3,500 bucks for one. Did you paint also? No, no. I loaded, he assed. - --Mr.Showbiz interview with Tea Leoni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:22:03 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RIP Mimi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fari=F1a?= Aaron Milenski wrote: > I have the second album,which apparently is similar to the first but more > electric. I like it quite a bit--really melodic, lyrically clever, and > they're excellent singers. Each voice is mixed to one side, and I enjoy > listening to just the speaker with Mimi's voice. It's not that I don't like > Richard's, but I do wish they didn't sing together on every song. A few > songs are uncanny Dylan copies, not sounding like any particular song but > sounding exactly like something he would have done on BRINGING IT ALL BACK > HOME or HIGHWAY 61 REVISITED. I'm not sure which Richard and Mimi album is "the first one", and which is "the second one", but I have CELEBRATIONS FOR A GREY DAY, and it's one of my favorite albums of the folk. Great singing by both of them, and lots of jamming dulcimer by Richard. This album has the original version of "Reno, Nevada" (probably one of my all-time favorite songs), which was later covered by Fairport Convention. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:53:59 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[loud-fans]_Re:_[loud-fans]_RIP_Mimi_Fari=F1 a?= >Richard Farina's book, on the other hand, is the kind of 60s post-beat >counterculture "look-at-me-I'm-so-hip" breast-beating that drives me up the >wall. Lots of people think it's a classic, though, so who knows? I agree that it's too self-conscious to be a classic, but I thought it was quite endearing, if a bit dated. Certainly a respectable first novel. If you like Thomas Pynchon or Richard Grant, it's worth checking out. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:15:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] Carly Simon? last night Karla Schickele did a very pretty a cappella version of a Carly Simon song called "Robin" from No Secrets. any recommendations or anti-recs on buying this CD? a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:33:36 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Carly Simon? At 06:15 PM 7/19/01 -0400, Aaron Mandel wrote: >last night Karla Schickele did a very pretty a cappella version of a Carly >Simon song called "Robin" from No Secrets. any recommendations or >anti-recs on buying this CD? NO SECRETS {also known as NO BRA or VICTORIA'S SECRETS to some, thanks to the nippleriffic album cover) is probably Carly's best album overall. It's certainly her biggest--"You're So Vain," "Loving You's the Right Thing To Do" and the title track were all hits--but it also doesn't have much in the way in the way of filler. If you were going to get a Carly album, this would be the one. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:10:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: [loud-fans] RIP Mimi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fari=F1a?= On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > Classics of the genre, worthy of veneration. Unlike her sister Joan, who > seemingly had no clue what the songs she was singing were actually about > and therefore sang with a near-total lack of inflection, subtlety or wit, > Mimi was a gifted interpreter, and Richard had one of the best voices in > folk, not to mention being a hell of a songwriter. "Pack Up Your Sorrows" > and "Bold Marauder" alone make his name. Sadly, I'm unfamiliar w/R&M's work - and I'm not terribly familiar w/J. Baez's - but while Stewart's assessment of her ironed-hair inflection seems mostly accurate, I'd like to point out that "Diamonds and Rust" is a perfectly wonderful song, esp. the middle section, and that she certainly sings there knowing what she's saying and what it means. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ np: a very loud fan (geez - I typed that, and only then realized the stupid pun. Really.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:28:34 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[loud-fans]_RIP_Mimi_Fari=F1a?= At 06:10 PM 7/19/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Sadly, I'm unfamiliar w/R&M's work - and I'm not terribly familiar w/J. >Baez's - but while Stewart's assessment of her ironed-hair inflection >seems mostly accurate, I'd like to point out that "Diamonds and Rust" is a >perfectly wonderful song, esp. the middle section, and that she certainly >sings there knowing what she's saying and what it means. True, but then, she wrote that song. I should clarify that I was referring to her early '60s Vanguard Records albums of traditional material, where she sang everything, even the songs that are supposed to be ironic or funny, like it was "Maid of Constant Sorrow." I've never actually heard her later stuff. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:34:42 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Carly Simon? >NO SECRETS {also known as NO BRA or VICTORIA'S SECRETS to some, thanks to >the nippleriffic album cover) is probably Carly's best album overall. A/K/A CARLY SIMON'S GREATEST 'ITS. js "This song goes out to....all those new girl singers....Carole....and who's the other one?....Nipples....all the girls James Taylor had..." - -John Lennon's spoken intro on "Just Because" from the ROCK'N'ROLL sessions bootleg BRANDY ALEXANDERS AND THE WALL OF SOUND ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:18:33 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Why?? (ns) The explanation is probably that the album was conceived, recorded, pressed and distributed in about 15 minutes by people on drugs, but I'm still sort of boggling at a record that I found in the used bin today. It's one of those Beatles fake out albums, designed to trick an unwary buyer into purchasing an album by JOHN LENNON PAUL MCCARTNEY GEORGE HARRISON (big type) played by Tribe (small type off in the corner). Album title: "Tribe sing the creative genius of George Harrison, John Lennon & Paul McCartney" (poor Ringo). Fine, there are probably a gazillion of those, but how many of them include a cover of Yoko Ono's "Why"? Sadly, it's not as good as the original, although it is pretty faithful. The vocals are run through some sort of wierd effect to try to simulate Yoko-ness. Still, what the hell were they thinking!? It's on Pickwick (famous for one of its ex-employees) and doesn't even have an inner sleeve (I bought it sealed) let alone a date. Which brings up another question: has anyone ever seen a website that details the Pickwick catalog. Granted that it's probably 99.9% crap, but I'm sure that there's some interesting stuff to be found. Not necessarily good, but interesting. Or am I just ignorant here. Were other people doing Yoko covers in the early '70s and expecting them to sell? My understanding is that Pickwick would try to cash in on whatever musical trend was current. Could anyone have expected a cover of "Why" to sell at the time? I note that that Shins album is on Gerald Cosley's list of top listens in the new Matador newsletter. I have to confess that it hasn't clicked with me yet, and keeps reminding me of Built To Spill (whom I loathe) in some respects. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:38:04 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Why?? (ns) - --dana: I note that that Shins album is on Gerald Cosley's list of top listens in the new Matador newsletter. I have to confess that it hasn't clicked with me yet, and keeps reminding me of Built To Spill (whom I loathe) in some respects. - --- weird... the guy who sits across from was either in that band or had something to do with it - i'll have to ask him tomorrow. i've never heard them - what did they do to deserve such angst? brianna ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:48:10 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why?? (ns) I note that that Shins album is on Gerald Cosley's list of top listens in the new Matador newsletter. I have to confess that it hasn't clicked with me yet, and keeps reminding me of Built To Spill (whom I loathe) in some respects. - --- weird... the guy who sits across from was either in that band or had something to do with it - i'll have to ask him tomorrow. i've never heard them - what did they do to deserve such angst? >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, I don't mean to imply that they did anything. I just really dislike their musical output. Lots of people love BTS. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:20:56 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RIP Mimi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fari=F1a?= I remember an interview with Robbie Robertson about Joan Baez's cover of "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down", where a Union General (Stoneman) was changed into a Confederate General (Stonewall), and a Confederate general (Robert E. Lee) into a steamboat (*the* Robert E. Lee"), probably for the purpose of making it easier to sing. While Robbie was trying not to be too hard on Joanie since her version was a big hit that made him a nice paycheck, he sounded a bit put off that she made the lyrics historically and sensibly inaccurate. By the way, I really *would* like to know if CELEBRATIONS FOR A GREY DAY was Richard & Mimi Fariqa's first album or their second album! There's a dearth of R&M information on the web, and CDNow and Amazon show that CELEBRATIONS and REFLECTIONS IN A CRYSTAL WIND both came out in 1965, so I'm not sure which came first, CELEBRATIONS or REFLECTIONS?? pulling the tregro, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:32:26 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why?? (ns) At 10:18 PM 7/19/2001 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: >I note that that Shins album is on Gerald Cosley's list of top listens in >the new Matador newsletter. I have to confess that it hasn't clicked >with me yet, Me neither. I listened to it twice in the last two days, and my mind started wandering at around the middle of track 4. It's OK, but not worth going out of your way for. I finally realized who it was that the lead singer with the distinctive, yelpy tenor was reminding me of: Roger Hodgson, late of Supertramp. MB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:54:22 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why?? (ns) In a message dated 7/19/01 11:02:16 PM, many write: >I note that that Shins album is on Gerald Cosley's list of top listens >in >the new Matador newsletter. Is GERARD Cosloy likely to be pissed off about someone stealing his name and Matador records? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:04:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RIP Mimi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fari=F1a?= On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > By the way, I really *would* like to know if CELEBRATIONS FOR A GREY DAY > was Richard & Mimi Fariqa's first album or their second album! There's a > dearth of R&M information on the web, and CDNow and Amazon show that > CELEBRATIONS and REFLECTIONS IN A CRYSTAL WIND both came out in 1965, so > I'm not sure which came first, CELEBRATIONS or REFLECTIONS?? According to Richie Unterberger in his reviews at the All-Music Guide, _Celbrations_ came first. This is borne out by the Vanguard catalog numbers, 79174 for _Celebrations_ and 79204 for _Reflections_. Sleep well. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::does "anal retentive" have a hyphen?:: last played: Gentle Giant _The Power & the Glory_ (I blame you, Matt Weber). Someone should sample & loop that electric piano riff at the beginning of the first track - nearly *funky* forchrissakes! (There was a little synth lick - two, actually, in duelling channels - in a track off of _Octopus_ that I listened to earlier today: just as I was thinking the same thing - loop this; it'd sound cool on a hip-hop record - the record started skipping, and did so perfectly in rhythm. Freaky, eh? - -j ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:07:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Why?? (ns) On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 Cardinal007@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/19/01 11:02:16 PM, many write: > > >I note that that Shins album is on Gerald Cosley's list of top listens > >in > >the new Matador newsletter. > > Is GERARD Cosloy likely to be pissed off about someone stealing his name and > Matador records? "Gerald Cosley" is Cosloy's clone: something had to be done to stanch the smugness overflow. - --Geoffrey with 2 Fs Geoffrey G e o f f r e y N o r t o n ::Hmmm...I hear it comes in bottles here...:: __Hemlock Stones__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:24:02 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[loud-fans]_RIP_Mimi_Fari=F1a?= On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > At 06:10 PM 7/19/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >seems mostly accurate, I'd like to point out that "Diamonds and Rust" is a > >perfectly wonderful song, esp. the middle section, and that she certainly it's sadly impossible for me to ever hear this song without hearing Rob Halford bellow "Ruuuuuuuuust" in my head. One of my favorite TV sketch comedy bits ever was the "Make Joan Baez" game show skit. Pickwick: they had a couple of Mott the Hoople releases that were really good, assuming, of course, that you liked Mott the Hoople. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RIP Mimi =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fari=F1a?= At 11:04 PM 7/19/1, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >last played: Gentle Giant _The Power & the Glory_ (I blame you, Matt >Weber). Insert hellish cackle here. Not that I could ever make you do anything you don't *want* to do, Jeff... Matt This is a court of law . . . not a court of justice. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., quoted in _Devil's Advocates, The Unnatural History of Lawyers_, by Andrew & Jonathan Roth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:52:55 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_[loud-fans]_RIP_Mimi_Fari=F1a?= At Friday 7/20/2001 12:24 AM -0400, dmw wrote: >One of my favorite TV sketch comedy bits ever was the "Make Joan Baez" >game show skit. Wasn't that "Make Joan Baez Smile"? SNL, right? What if the Mayans had escalators? Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:12:53 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5Bloud-fans=5D_RIP_Mimi_Fari=F1a?= >Gentle Giant _The Power & the Glory_ (I blame you, Matt >Weber). Someone should sample & loop that electric piano riff at the >beginning of the first track - nearly *funky* forchrissakes! Looks like Someone beat you to it Ace. http://www.blazemonger.com/GG/covers/index.html Who knew they spoke Gentle Giant down Deeee-troit way... Andy "FYI, The worst meal I ever ate in a restaurant was in a diner near the north rim of the grand canyon." - --Ely Zero III on http://classicrock.about.com/library/weekly/aa070601f.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:27:28 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_[loud-fans]_RIP_Mimi_Fari=F1a?= On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > At Friday 7/20/2001 12:24 AM -0400, dmw wrote: > > >One of my favorite TV sketch comedy bits ever was the "Make Joan Baez" > >game show skit. > > Wasn't that "Make Joan Baez Smile"? SNL, right? oops, that was an important word to leave out. I think it was "Laugh," actually. I sorta thing it was one of the short-lived SNL competitors, but I oculd easily be wrong. > What if the Mayans had escalators? I don't know, what if the Mayans had escalators? = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #166 *******************************