From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #164 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, July 18 2001 Volume 01 : Number 164 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Crack the Sky ["Brian Block" ] [loud-fans] Re: train bar none [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Crack The Sky ["Mark P" ] [loud-fans] A Message From Don Himself ["Mark P" ] Re: [loud-fans] white stripes (ns) ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Shaggy Raggy (NS) ["Bradley Skaught" ] Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) [mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthe] [loud-fans] Albums of the Half-Year [Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky Tim, on Crack the Sky: <> I really like WHITE MUSIC and wish to point out that they didn't _just_ go after New Wave for its snappiness or trendiness but for the weirdness as well -- it sounds to me like a mish-mash of guitar-era Queen (as before) with early XTC, with Devo, even on one track with the not-then-recorded Oingo Boingo. The couple of slower and prettier numbers premind me of Shona Laing (the "Soviet Snow" gal). Whereas their second album, ANIMAL NOTES, my choice for Best Album of 1976, was an equal follow-up to the self-titled debut. A couple of tracks vaguely attempt to invent Progressive Country, which is not the album's strength but works better than it ought. In 1989 and 1990 Crack the Sky put out two thoughtfully gloomy albums, FROM THE GREENHOUSE and DOG CITY, with a very heavy Pink Floyd influence (in particular guitarist Witkowski's imitations of David Gilmour). If you go for that sort of thing, i think FROM THE GREENHOUSE in particular is excellent; i like both albums less than WISH YOU WERE HERE but better than DARK SIDE OF THE MOON or ANIMALS. cheers, -Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:39:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Re: train bar none On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Tim Prchal wrote: > Much as Jeff wouldn't go to Bosco's until he felt safe that Virginia could > protect him from amorous bikers, I trust that I can save him from any > advances from legal secretaries. What makes you think I want to be saved? > That said, let me add that I don't really want to go to the Safe House. Oh, well, that's different then. Let's go! It's a great place! - -j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:41:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] Re: train bar none (fwd) Edgar Cayce possessed my fingers and caused me to automatically type "loud-fans" as the address for this one... Oops! Unless you want to talk about it. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:39:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey To: "Bucky...Firewoman...and John Cameron Swayze...." Subject: Re: train bar none ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:54:59 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: [loud-fans] Chitlin' Fooks Stewart Mason wrote: > Carol Van Dyk has a new album coming out next month as half of a duo > called, bizarrely enough, Chitlin Fooks. The other half is a guy in > some Belgian band, I forget his name. Anyway, it's basically a > Gram-and-Emmylou country-rock album, and the surprise is that it's > actually quite nice. Chitlin' Fooks features Carol from Bettie Serveert, Pascal Deweze from Sukilove and Metal Molly, and members of The Sands, Daan, Mitsoobishy Jacson, dEUS (Tom Barman), El Tattoo Del Tigre (a 30-piece Mambo Orchestra), and Das Pop. You can find out more about Chitlin' Fooks at: Toodlepip, - -Stef Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:07:35 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: train bar none (fwd) >Edgar Cayce possessed my fingers and caused me to automatically type >"loud-fans" as the address for this one... Oops! Hustle thy buns to ye newstande and you might still find the "Weekly World News" with Edgar Cayce's Forbidden Prophecies. Banned in 47 countries, don't you know. Yep, here we are: "a man named Jeffrey Norman shall inveigh upon amorous bikers to the wrong mailing list..." Andy Cambodian police raided the country's first and only sex shop the day after it opened, confiscating dozens of rubber penises, condoms, batteries and assorted Chinese aphrodisiacs, calling them "a danger to Cambodian women's health and a threat to Cambodian Culture." The Chinese owner of the shop, 38-year-old Yuan Genxing, was arrested and charged with debauchery. According to police, many of the items confiscated were too big and could have injured Cambodian women. "This is very dangerous," said local police Chief Yim Symany. "Look at how large those rubber penises are." Yuan faces up to 15 years in jail of convicted. [--Associated Press story picked up by the "Weekly Alibi" of Albuquerque] (courtesy Stewart Mason) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:54:09 From: "Lisa Cowan" Subject: [loud-fans] pictures from 125 records gig at Starry Plough Hi, I'm posting this message for photo-Robert who is having some technical difficulties posting to the list. He has uploaded some new pictures to the "gametheoryphotos" group at http://groups.yahoo.com (formerly egroups). The files are in the section called Misc 2000>/125 CD Release/ If you were a member of this group when it was on egroups but got lost in the switch, just go to egroups and change your account to yahoo. Then you can receive email notices for each new file uploaded (if you want). thanks Robert! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:05:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] All Things Must Pass in the Milky Night I've been on a Stereolab kick recently, and looking through their attempts to make the most tangled catalogue since the Fall's, I notice that the original version of _Transient Random-Noise Bursts with Announcements_ contained a George Harrison sample on "Pack Yr Romantic Mind": anyone know what the sample was from? (oh - www.stereolab.co.uk) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Drive ten thousand miles across America and you will know more about ::the country than all the institutes of sociology and political science ::put together. __Jean Baudrillard__ np: Stereolab _Peng!_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:19:30 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] white stripes (ns) The White Stripes will be on the Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn tonight. Brother/sister red/white guitar/drums [that's the edited version for those who don't have vcr's/go to sleep early] - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:32:26 -0000 From: "Mark P" Subject: [loud-fans] Crack The Sky Outta' lurkdom for The Sky! I was thrust into a twenty five plus year endearment(slight endearment) for Crack The Sky one fateful Saturday in 1975. My usual Saturday morning pilgrimage down to the Recod Stop. Rick the RS guru of sorts rammed that first elpee in my face...I remember thinking what a cool logo...that lightening bolt thingy. Then he put his copy on...that was it, hooked since. "Hold On" morphing into "Surf City"..."Robots For Ronny"..."Ice"..."Mind Baby"...big huge guitars, provocative lyrics, funky bass lines, great stuff. That one and Animal Notes are two (in my universe) epic albums. Palumbo was master at his craft in those days. Safety In Numbers is a good one too, sadly John Palumbo had some sort of synapse quality control problems...he had a nervous breakdown of some sort...seemingly bound to happen if some of those songs touched upon earlier in the thread were written more or less autobiographically. He rejoined in the early eighties, released a solo album or so, I really haven't kept pinpoint track of Sky doings since about that time. If any of guys see the Live Sky record in the used bins grab that. They were on tour with Be Bop Deluxe back in 78. Saw em, they were great...anyway...this record is one of my top live albums...they do a cracking versh of "I Am The Walrus". I've been on the CTS mailing list for about the past two years or so and I've been real tempted to make the trek down to Baltimore/DC one for the yearly Thanksgiving shows they've been doing. Maybe some year. m _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:54:55 -0000 From: "Mark P" Subject: [loud-fans] A Message From Don Himself While I'm in a chatty phase...this from the R.E.M. trib/Don Dixon benefit down in North Carolina on the seventh. My rudimentary typing skills be damned... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A Message From Don Himself As read by Andy McMillan (Snatches Of Pink, Clarissa, etc...etc...) It's times like these that make me feel like maybe I haven't wasted my life afterall. Times that people get together to celebrate something that really means something to them. As I begin getting older, it's easier to view my rock music life as juvenile posturing, as a child babbling to children. Sometimes I've wondered if my myopic musical focus was worth the sacrifice. But in this instance I feel like I've helped bring something of lasting value to light. Something that's helped people and made a real difference in their lives and it makes me realize that music does count. It energizes us and calms us. Inspires us and scares us. Makes us smart and makes us stupid. It really is a universal thread that cuts across race, politics, religion and nationality to unify people as humans. So I haven't wasted ANYTHING. I want to thank all of you who have come to give honor to R.E.M. tonight, all the musicians in attendance, both onstage and in the audience. I'm honored to have had a small part in helping the band find their musical legs. To have protected and nurtured them early on. I respect what they've accomplished and the way they've done it... Obstinateness... Integrity... And art... Like the song says... We were little boys, we were little girls, did we miss anything? CATA-PULT! And it's signed; Don Dixon, seven of July, two thousand and one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ God bless, DD! m _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:04:56 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] white stripes (ns) >The White Stripes will be on the Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn >tonight. According to sonicnet.com, they're actually ex-spouses (shades of Quasi), and put the sibling thing on as a put-on. They sound like they could be interesting, though; I've been a sucker for guitar-drums duos since Happy Flowers. Though come to think of it I never got into Quasi...or the Spinanes... Andy "Someday, I hope to be in a situation where I can say, in an official government capacity, 'Look at how large those rubber penises are!'" - --Stewart Mason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:34:53 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) >Can you say CIVILIAN? I can't say from experience, but I sense from Gentle Giant mavens online that GIANT FOR A DAY and THE MISSING PIECE are much more excruciating albums. Which is to say, failures at both prog and new wave. Other opinions encouraged, though (I liked THE POWER AND THE GLORY and PLAYING THE FOOL), Andy Ok, A lot of people may ask " Why own a Realdoll". Well for me it is the only logical choice. For me meeting and dating real women has always been more trouble than it is worth. I have never had any good luck with women. Examples 1. When I was in High School in the 11th grade I asked a girl to go to the prom with me. She said yes. Well we get to the Prom and She leaves me almost as soon as we get in the door for a friend of mine. The girl with the friend of mine comes over and sits with me. She says " I told her to come to the prom with you so I could set her up with your friend. My friend did not want anything to do with her so about an hour later she comes back to me upset and wanting to go home. Needless to say I never spoke to her again after that. 2. When I was in High school in the 12th grade I asked another girl to go to the prom with me. She said yes. Well about a day before the prom she called me and said that she did not want to go. I asked her why. She said " My mother said that dancing was evil so I decided I better not go". So in my Senior year I did not even go to the prom. 3 .After I graduated I met a girl I really liked and asked her out. She sayed " Well I am really busy, but give me your number and I will call you". Well she did about 2 weeks later. She called me on a Saturday night around 6Pm and said " Hey, do you have any plans for tonight?" I said " No, I do not have anything to do tonight" She said "Good, I have a DATE tonight can you come over and babysit my son for me" Well that was the last time I ever spoke to her. [...] 5. Ok so from the time I was 21 to the time I was 28 it was more of the same. "OK I'll go out with you, but we can only be freinds" or "OK I'll call you sometime" Which in reality is NEVER. Or my personal favorite "OK I'll go out with you, but do'nt tell anyone! ha ha ha. So anyway when I was 28 I actually had my first real girlfriend! Really! We had SEX and EVERYTHING! I met her through the personal adds in the newspaper. At first she seemed to be the perfect match for me. She said that she liked movies, video games, drag racing, music of all kinds, and many other things. She was having a lot of problems with her boss at work so I said why do'nt you just quite you job and move in with me. She agreed and moved in with me. At first everything was OK. Then I found out that she did not like ANYTHING! She did not want to go to the movies. She did not want to go with me to the races. She only liked Country music, She despised any other kind.When I first met her she said that she had one daughter that was 19 years old. Well I found out a few months after she moved in with me that she had 3 CHILDREN!!! I never found out where her other 2 children were. And her PARENTS!!! They could not keep a job. I remember coming home from work on a Saturday night finding her Mother,Step Father and daughter at my house because they did not have anywhere to stay bacause they had been evicted for not paying the rent. So for about a week I had to support ALL OF THEM. I finally figured out that they were not going anywhere. So I just stopped buying FOOD!!! At the end of the week the only thing left in my house was Cat Food! I came home and My girlfriend said " We need to go to the store and buy some food" I said "OK, do you have any money?" She said "NO" I said "Neither do I". So the next day when I get home I find my girlfriend there and EVERYONE else gone. She said " Well since you had such a bad attitude my parents and daughter left". I said " OK, lets go to the store and buy some food" MAN SHE CUSSED ME UP ONE SIDE AND DOWN THE OTHER!!! ha ha ha. She said " Why did you say that you did not have any money the other day when I aksed about buying some food". I said " look you are my girlfriend and I will always take care of you but not your family. My name is not Mike Brady. This is'nt the Brady Bunch". MAN, SHE REALLY WENT OFF THEN. ha ha ha. I though everything was going to be alright after that. Then about 1 month later she gets a call from her stepfather saying that her daughter had just STOLEN A CAR!!! Well she gets her daughter out of jail{ to this day I do not know how}. They go to court and the judge tells her that for her to stay on probabtion she has to live with her mother{which is my girlfriend}. So my girlfriend comes home and tells me "Well either my daughter moves in with us or I have to leave you and move in with her and my parents". I said " There is no way she is living here". So she packed up her stuff and left. I never heard from her again and she has been gone since 1995. I did hear from her brother who told me that my girlfriends daughter had lived with them and STOLE THINGS FROM THEM. About a month after they left I noticed some things missing from here also. Oh well. [--from http://www.geocities.com/gordongriggs/WhyIownaRealdoll.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:08:06 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] Taste of Lethal Crash (NS) Anyone else addicted to the show "Police, Cameras, Action" (on the Learning Channel)? Unlike its US/Fox network counterparts (ie America's Craziest Police Chases, America's Most Dangerous Crashes, etc.) there's a lack of melodrama and MTV-style action editing in this, mostly British, traffic violation expose. In fact, it's downright hypnotic, with endless scene after endless scene of bad driving filmed from the dashboard of a police car. It's more _Crash_ than _Lethal Weapon_. Hell, it's practically Kiarostami sometimes! It's truly fascinating (especially for a non-driver like me)--even when the action picks up, there's a kind of measured, real-time smoothness to it that is oddly uninvigorating. It almost reminds me of when I used to watch the NASA channel back east--endless hours of live satellite feed over, mostly, oceans. It's kind of funny how real life actually looks on TV--slow and, well, normal. Highly recommended. Is there anything actually added to the new release of the Holy Grail? I went on Saturday and howled with laughter the whole time, but didn't see anything I didn't recocgnize from the last 30 times i've seen the damn movie. The ending is so much more fun in the theater--it drives the impatient Bay Area folks insane(r). ciao, B NP Jona Lewie PS "Police, Cameras, Action!" sounds like a Simpsons' spoof doesn't it? A spin off of "Police Cops", perhaps. Uh oh spaghetti-os. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:12:51 -0700 (PDT) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) At 7:34 PM 7/17/1, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >>Can you say CIVILIAN? > > >I can't say from experience, but I sense from Gentle Giant mavens online >that GIANT FOR A DAY and THE MISSING PIECE are much more excruciating >albums. Which is to say, failures at both prog and new wave. Haven't heard THE MISSING PIECE, but GIANT FOR A DAY has moments that at least recall the glory of old. By CIVILIAN, though, the rot had definitely set in; listening to this album is like visiting the gravesite of a friend who died young. >Other opinions encouraged, though (I liked THE POWER AND THE GLORY and >PLAYING THE FOOL), Both worthy records, though I'm much more jazzed on OCTOPUS and ACQUIRING THE TASTE. Matt A law is not a law without coercion behind it. attributed to James Garfield ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:11:29 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: train bar none (fwd) Andy: The Chinese owner of the shop, >38-year-old Yuan Genxing, was arrested and charged with debauchery. Don't sweat it, dude! It can happen to the best of us. JS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:55:09 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who says musical activism is dead? MB: >Herman Brood, of Herman Brood & His Wild Romance, considered by some to be >the only "real" Dutch rock 'n' roller, jumped off the roof of an Amsterdam >hotel I'm sorry to hear this, but Golden Earring were the original Dutch rock'n'rollers, and are still at it. JS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:35:18 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Of possible interest Joe: >I think the best place to start with Anton is A SPLENDID TRAY, which is >much more of a piece, and offers the weird Anton and the brilliant Anton >in the appropriate proportions. Yeah, I had a negative reaction first being exposed to Anton through some mix-tape tracks, courtesy mix-master Steve H. But Steve left me a copy of TRAY when he stayed at my place during his recent travels East, and I really dig it. A great intro. But nobody's mentioned this guy's obvious ZIGGY STARDUST infatuation? JS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:50:49 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] factory mileage, city mileage Dana: >The only concert I've ever had to leave due to exaustion was American >Music Club, and I wasn't really liking them anyway. For some reason, I'm famous for falling asleep at concerts. This probably doesn't have *everything* to do with the act--the first time this happened was at one of the Clash's first North American shows, in Washington, DC in '78, and to be fair I had been awake for 36 hours straight before then. But as Keith Richards would tell you, *that's* no excuse. Sorry this post didn't have more that would interest people other than me. JS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:18:07 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) JRT: >And, from another post: ><York Times yesterday?>> > >What an amazing article. Do you think the Times editors were just too >embarassed to remind the reporters that Federal law trumps state law in that >kind of thing? It will probably surprise few people to hear that I think this is a lie which comes out of nowhere (except perhaps the mind of a desperate right-wing fanatic). As far as I understand it, state law governs state election procedures "in that kind of thing," as one might reasonably expect. And the Supreme Court has always recognized that. Until December 2000, of course. What the TIMES article pointed out was the remarkable degree to which the GOP's insistance that military ballots should be regarded as sacrosanct was, under close scrutiny, hyprocritical and self-serving. JS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:47:42 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Taste of Lethal Crash (NS) At 08:08 PM 7/17/01 -0700, Bradley Skaught wrote: >Is there anything actually added to the new release of the Holy Grail? I went >on Saturday and howled with laughter the whole time, but didn't see anything I >didn't recocgnize from the last 30 times i've seen the damn movie. According to an interview with Terry Jones I read in Movieline or someplace like that, there's one 20-second scene added in the Castle Anthrax sequence, where Carol Cleveland turns to the camera and says something like "Do you think this scene's working? The boys were wanting to take it out, but I kind of like it." Apparently, they only stuck it back in so they could trumpet that there was additional footage. Stewart NP: HOPES AND FEARS--The Art Bears ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:23:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Matthew Weber wrote: > Haven't heard THE MISSING PIECE, but GIANT FOR A DAY has moments that at > least recall the glory of old. By CIVILIAN, though, the rot had definitely > set in; listening to this album is like visiting the gravesite of a friend > who died young. You folks are just bound and determined to turn me back into a full-fledged raving prog-rocker, aren't you? As if there isn't way too much new music for me to have time to listen to... Anyway, I first heard Gentle Giant on _Free Hand_, liked it a lot, bought _The Power and the Glory_, liked it a lot, bought _Octopus_, never got into it that much, bought _Giant for a Day_, thought it a sad waste of everyone's time. I suspect _Octopus_ could make its way into my current affections - I seem to recall not listening to it all that often. Actually, not that it's a very good reason, but one of the reasons I moved away from prog for a while was exactly the abysmal taste its proponents sometimes showed in, apparently, selling out. I remember having some strange criteria, whose parameters I can no longer recall, concerning which kinds of commercially oriented musical directions stunk to greater or lesser degree... As always, the irony is that "selling out" never worked. (Of course, back in the '70s, I had no real clue what was and wasn't obscure - I mean, I was laboring under the impression that, since they weren't in the top 40 singles chart and known to all and sundry, Yes must have been a pretty obscure act. I was in my early teens, though, and probably listening to curry-eating wizard-caped keyboard thrashers was my idea of being avant-garde...) (Oh: eating curry while the drummer solos is hardly the most egregious way a musician might spend non-playing time onstage - weren't all those lengthy solos Cream took merely excuses for the other bandmembers to get blowjobs?) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:35:01 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] factory mileage, city mileage In a message dated 7/17/01 11:26:23 PM, jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu writes: >For some reason, I'm famous for falling asleep at concerts. This probably > >doesn't have *everything* to do with the act--the first time this happened > >was at one of the Clash's first North American shows, in Washington, DC >in > >'78, and to be fair I had been awake for 36 hours straight before then. Funny, you didn't fall asleep when the redhead with the fishnet everything, breasts falling out, would saunter up and down the aisle of the theater ... oh yeah, that's right, you fell asleep when the *band* started playing. I blame the opening act [Bo Diddley] ... Ahh, the days when so many bands were on their first US tours. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:39:14 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) In a message dated 7/18/01 12:28:12 AM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: >weren't all those >lengthy solos Cream took merely excuses for the other bandmembers to get >blowjobs?) It always worked in *my* bands! Of course, the twenty-eight minute guitar solo during our cover of "Pretty Vacant" pissed off a few souls [although *I* was kinda proud, I must say...] Oh, shit -- I misread your post. Where you typed "blowjobs," I read "graduate degrees." Oooooooops ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:52:56 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) At 07:34 PM 7/17/01 -0700, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >I can't say from experience, but I sense from Gentle Giant mavens online >that GIANT FOR A DAY and THE MISSING PIECE are much more excruciating >albums. Which is to say, failures at both prog and new wave. As bad as bad Gentle Giant is--which is pretty damn excruciating--there are far worse "commercial" moves by prog bands. The later albums by both Barclay James Harvest and (especially) Amon Duul II are painfully insipid pop rock with absolutely no redeeming features. They're not even bad enough to make fun of. Bizarrely enough, the Amazing Blondel, who did this sort of faux-medieval music, regrouped for their last album under the name Blondel around...1974, I think?...and put out a pretty convincing approximation of BARE TREES-era Fleetwood Mac. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:02:12 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] Shaggy Raggy (NS) I told my friends that Holy Grail castle footage was new and they claimed to have seen it before! Some friends. Anyhow, I just have to talk about Jona Lewie right now. A long while back I was wandering through the dollar records at work and I came across a cool looking album on Stiff by Jona Lewie. It was called _On The Other Hand There's A Fist_ and I thought, "That title is so brilliant I have to buy this right now." Turns out the album is every bit as brilliant as the title. It's like some kind of ragtime/pub rock/homemade electronic pop record--lots of fat "oom pah" synths and weird, deadpan vocals. I was immediately obsessed and couldn't believe my luck when I stumbled across the CD version of his second album, _Heart Skips Beat_. A wildly inferior title and cheesy album cover made me nervous, but it turns out to be even more bizarre and fascinating than the first one! Even more bizarre were the liner note's claims that some of these songs were hits (claims that turned out to be true!) In what universe? And was he really in a band called Terry Dactyl and the Dinosaurs? He was! The Jive Bombers? Yup. My Jona Lewie obsession eventually found me trading emails with Ian Gomm, Bid from the Monochrome Set, some guy who owns the Stiff catalog, and anyone else who might know a thing about Lewie. Never got in touch with Lewie himself, but I know he's still alive, perhaps still making music, and that a "best of" might be released later this year. Now I need to find a good "oom pah" keyboard player to start a Lewie tribute band--any takers? By the way, the title track to "Heart Skips Beat" is a fantastically odd mess of tinkly ragtime piano, recorders, oom pah synths, and nature sound effects. While thunder noises sound, Jona says, "Hear the rain...on the plain..cloud above...let's make love". And then birds chirp as the ragtime piano becomes ragtime moog and he says, "Now sun shines..we feel fine...when we meet...heart skips beat." Huh!? I love it. Who wants to be converted? I think I'll get my haircut, B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:05:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: [loud-fans] The Beta Band Has anyone heard HOT SHOTS II yet? Opinions? - -- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:04:49 -0700 (PDT) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) At 11:23 PM 7/17/1, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >You folks are just bound and determined to turn me back into a >full-fledged raving prog-rocker, aren't you? See paragraph VII, subparagraph 5 of My Evil Plan. >Anyway, I first heard Gentle Giant on _Free Hand_, liked it a lot, bought >_The Power and the Glory_, liked it a lot, bought _Octopus_, never got >into it that much, bought _Giant for a Day_, thought it a sad waste of >everyone's time. > >I suspect _Octopus_ could make its way into my current affections - I seem >to recall not listening to it all that often. OCTOPUS is more eclectic, less Yes-y than FREE HAND; THE POWER AND THE GLORY is good too, except there's too much Wurlitzer on it (or is it a Rhodes?) >As always, the irony is that "selling out" never worked. (Of course, back >in the '70s, I had no real clue what was and wasn't obscure - I mean, I >was laboring under the impression that, since they weren't in the top 40 >singles chart and known to all and sundry, Yes must have been a pretty >obscure act. I was in my early teens, though, and probably listening to >curry-eating wizard-caped keyboard thrashers was my idea of being >avant-garde...) Most of the prog biggies were respectable sellers in the early '70s. They were always critically lambasted, though--sometimes deservedly, sometimes not, but it was never particularly hip to like Yes or ELP. >(Oh: eating curry while the drummer solos is hardly the most egregious way >a musician might spend non-playing time onstage - weren't all those >lengthy solos Cream took merely excuses for the other bandmembers to get >blowjobs?) That's egregious? Matt A law is not a law without coercion behind it. attributed to James Garfield ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:21:32 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Albums of the Half-Year Been away (business trip, vacation, taking care of work that piled up during first two events), but wanted to get this in as I catch up on the list mail: 1) Scott Miller & the Commonwealth, Thus Always To Tyrants 2) Jim White, No Such Place 3) Sigur Ros, Agaetis Byrjun 4) Steve Wynn, Here Come the Miracles 5) David Mead, Mine and Yours 6) P. Hux, Purgatory Falls 7) Momus, Folktronic 8) You Am I, Dress Me Slowly 9) Paul Burch, Last of My Kind 10) Lucinda Williams, Essence 11) Ruby, Short-Staffed at the Gene Pool 12) The Faults, The Faults 13) Alejandro Escovedo, A Man Under the Influence 14) Ian Hunter, Rant 15) Apelife, Natural Selections EP 16) Frank Black & the Catholics, Dog in the Sand 17) Whiskeytown, Pneumonia 18) Echo & the Bunnymen, Flowers 19) The Luxury Liners, Believe EP 20) Old 97's, Satellite Rides You only really need the first six, plus The Other Scott Miller's live ARE YOU WITH ME?, which, among other things, features a sure-to-please-Jen stringless "Across the Line." I know the Sigur Ros album was out in the rest of the world before 2001, but as Stewart usually says to those kind of corrections, guess where I live? :-) I also want to urge all right-thinking Roxy Music fans to post at the message board at http://www.manzanera.com and urge the band to put "Mother of Pearl" back in the set list. Roxy reached North America on Saturday and somehow decided that "Dance Away" (admittedly one of their two U.S. hit singles) should supplant the keystone of the Roxy Music canon. later, Miles ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #164 *******************************