From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #163 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, July 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) [Sue Trowbridge ] Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) ["John Swartzentruber" ] [loud-fans] Long And Winding Post ["Bradley Skaught" ] Re: [loud-fans] Long And Winding Post [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) [Cardinal007@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:28:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > >> More Jeff: > >> "She Cracked" Jonathan Richman & the Modern Lovers > >> > >> I know this is an abstraction, but "which version"? It's from a tape I have, made from someone else's LP, called _The Original Modern Lovers_. Normally, I'm turbogeekly enough to record info like who produced, etc. - but apparently, with this album I was unaccountably slack and neglected to do so. Kim Fowley maybe? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:06:45 -0700 From: bedwellm@WellsFargo.COM Subject: RE: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) Is this the one with the black and white cover? With liner notes by Kim Fowley? Then, it's Kim Fowley. Don't quote me on this... -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey [mailto:jenor@csd.uwm.edu] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 8:28 AM To: Account 7870 Subject: Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > >> More Jeff: > >> "She Cracked" Jonathan Richman & the Modern Lovers > >> > >> I know this is an abstraction, but "which version"? It's from a tape I have, made from someone else's LP, called _The Original Modern Lovers_. Normally, I'm turbogeekly enough to record info like who produced, etc. - but apparently, with this album I was unaccountably slack and neglected to do so. Kim Fowley maybe? --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:09:18 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: [loud-fans] Who says musical activism is dead? Herman Brood, of Herman Brood & His Wild Romance, considered by some to be the only "real" Dutch rock 'n' roller, jumped off the roof of an Amsterdam hotel, thus forcing Sony Music executives to move a preview of the new Michael Jackson album to another venue. MB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:12:53 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Who says musical activism is dead? Michael Bowen wrote: > Herman Brood, of Herman Brood & His Wild Romance, considered by some to > be the only "real" Dutch rock 'n' roller, jumped off the roof of an > Amsterdam hotel, thus forcing Sony Music executives to move a preview of > the new Michael Jackson album to another venue. It was a dirty job that only Herman could have pulled off. Too bad he was hard of hearing... Toodlepip, - -Stef Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:07:13 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) Anyone care to fill me in on this band. I picked up a copy of their lp Safety in Numbers today, and don't quite know what to make of it, though I like it... First track sounds sort of like Ween doing Big Star, then changes to sound not unlike a prog version of Kiss circa Destroyer. Second track goes back to that Big Star thing, then mutates into a Paul McCartney Ram-esque thing. I won't go on...I'm hearing sort of a mishmash of a million things from the '70s...in a good way (not to scare anyone off, but a Styx comparison might be in order). The guy at Holy Cow couldn't tell me anything about them. Hmmm, the third track sounds sort of like a collaboration between King Crimson and CSN&Y. Really. Ok, no more comparisons. I have a sneaking suspicion that Scott Miller might be a fan, given his twin loves of Big Star and prog. As a related item, I'm finding that almost everytime I see a promo album from the '70s with one of those paper "Demonstration: Not For Sale" things pasted on the bottom middle, it turns out to be at least good and often great. Must have been good years. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:31:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) - --- Dana L Paoli wrote: > Anyone care to fill me in on this band. I picked up > a copy of their lp > Safety in Numbers today, and don't quite know what > to make of it, though > I like it... Having lived in Baltimore for many years, I can tell you that CTS were *huuuuge* in Maryland but they never quite hit the big time nationally. 98 Rock in Baltimore used to play them all the time, and they were regulars at the late and possibly lamented metal club Hammerjacks (immortalized in John Waters' film PECKER). Apparently, they are still around and working on new material; info at http://www.crackthesky.com/ - -- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:12:19 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) I have the twofer that includes CRACK THE SKY and WHITE MUSIC. The former is excellent, and matches your description to some degree, although I hear a lot of Queen influence as well. Also, it's worth mentioning that the lyrical themes include cannibalism at sea, robot pals for lonely little boys, and gender confusion at the disco. WHITE MUSIC sounds as if they were trying to catch the New Wave, as proggers were occasionally wont to do. While it's not bad, it's not as good as the eponymous album. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:44:59 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:07:13 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: >Anyone care to fill me in on this band. I picked up a copy of their lp >Safety in Numbers today, and don't quite know what to make of it, though >I like it... I like about everything they did. One reason it is hard to know what to make of Safety in Numbers is that the main songwriter and vocalist (John Palumbo) left the band while making this record (I believe). Only two of the songs are his (Nuclear Apathy and Long Nights(?)). I recommend the first CD, which I think is still available as a twofer as Tim mentioned. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:58:37 -0700 (PDT) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) At 5:12 PM 7/16/1, Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: >WHITE MUSIC sounds as if they were trying to catch the New Wave, as proggers >were occasionally wont to do. Can you say CIVILIAN? Matt A good Lawyer, a bad Neighbour. Benjamin Franklin, _Poor Richard's Almanac_, 1737 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:55:43 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) I have the twofer that includes CRACK THE SKY and WHITE MUSIC. The former is excellent, and matches your description to some degree, although I hear a lot of Queen influence as well. Also, it's worth mentioning that the lyrical themes include cannibalism at sea, robot pals for lonely little boys, and gender confusion at the disco. >>>>>>>>>>> There's one song on side 2 of SAFETY IN NUMBERS that sounds extremely Queen-like. What's especially odd is the way they switch in mid-song from sounding just like one '70's band to sounding like another, relatively unrelated, one. Let's see, lyrical topics seem to be about: a nuclear holocaust as witnessed by lunar inhabitants, thoughts of murdering one's unhappy father so he can join his dead wife, and this little inspirational verse: My lady does yoga My lady does me And I do my lady Whenever I'm free - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:58:20 -0700 From: "Bradley Skaught" Subject: [loud-fans] Long And Winding Post Hey, kids! I was in the neighborhood and thought I'd stop in for a little visit. Hope all's well. I feel quite blessed to have caught two Scott shows recently. I don't know if this has been done in detail, but Scott's performance at the Anton Barbeau "Antonathon" was one of the most exciting I've seen. More than anyone else all day, he really pulled out the gems and demonstrated just how fantastic a songwriter Anton really is. There's a lot of darkness and odd, tangled confusion in Anton's best songs, and Scott really illuminated that in his interpretations. I find it hard to believe that there are still pop fans out there who aren't converted, but if you haven't bought _A Splendid Tray_ yet, then you're really missing out on one of the half dozen best pop albums you can own. Anyone into British pop band Shack? An acquaintance of mine has been pressuring me to pick up an album by them (not the HMS one, but the one with the smoking kid on the cover) and I'm reluctant. I heard bits of the _HMS..._ one and was really turned off by the 60's/retro laziness aspects of it (a prejudice of mine that keeps me from enjoying a big chunk of contemporary pop, but likewise keeps my record buying manageable.) I hear that Pentangle's _Solomon's Seal_ is finally going to land on CD. Anyone know the details? Did they find the master somewhere? I see that Not Lame is carrying the new Lilac Time compilation. The song choice from the three albums is spotty (though none of the songs are less than stellar), but the b-sides/rarities disc is just stunning and worth checking out. And there's a new Lilac Time album on the way, too. Hey, Boston: I'm going to be taking a quick vacation in early August that will find me in Boston from the 14th through the 16th and I was wondering if you Beantown folks knew of a little coffeehouse where I could play an acoustic set. I probably should have started working on this earlier, but if you can find me a place to play I'd be really thrilled. And if not, then certainly getting together for drinks would be in order, right? And how 'bout those postage error/Florida ballots on the cover of the New York Times yesterday? luvvies, B NP Jobriath ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:47:42 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) This is probably all covered on the website, but it's interesting to see Crack the Sky getting such a response. I was very young at the time, but I still remember them being a huge draw in Atlanta during the mid-70s. It may very well be that Baltimore really is part of the South. And maybe next we'll be discussing Thermos Greenwood and the Colored People or the Hahavishnu Orchestra. And, from another post: <> What an amazing article. Do you think the Times editors were just too embarassed to remind the reporters that Federal law trumps state law in that kind of thing? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:34:58 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] crack the sky funny how often this comes up.... dana needs to find a copy of "animal notes" which is on the same CD as "safety in numbers" and is (in my almost never humble opine) the pinnacle of the 'classic' crack the sky. i useta have all the details memorized -- nope, had to look it up -- but the lifesong twofer cds of the 'crack' material are some of the most annoying cd reishes this side of prince's _1999_ (the one w/o "D.M.S.R," i think they might've wised up later). the _crack the sky/white music_ omits "flying" (cute but forgettable) and "the radio cries (it's singles time)" which is inexcusable (somebody oughtta put the tune on a mix tape before or after "motion of ariel") from the 'new wave' half and "mind baby" from the self titled disc. plus, worse, the ending of "sleep" is badly truncated. _safety in numbers_ loses only the "safety in numbers" prelude, which ain't TOO terrible i s'pose, but it does break up the flow of the album. hummm. looks like you can get all the non cd stuff at crackthesky.com. cool. and cripes, i think i need to order that live record. go with caution into the late 80's stuff ... _raw_, _from the greenhouse_, etc. spotty. increasing tinges of metal/pink floyd influence. - -- d. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:23:10 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Long And Winding Post Anyone into British pop band Shack? An acquaintance of mine has been pressuring me to pick up an album by them (not the HMS one, but the one with the smoking kid on the cover) and I'm reluctant. I heard bits of the _HMS..._ one and was really turned off by the 60's/retro laziness aspects of it (a prejudice of mine that keeps me from enjoying a big chunk of contemporary pop, but likewise keeps my record buying manageable.) >>>>>>>>>>>>> For those who haven't heard them, Shack combine elements of the Beatles, Love, and every late 80's/early '90s UK guitar playing, songwriting band. As far as recommendations, hmmm, not sure what to say, since I think that H.M.S. FABLE and its attending singles are the best things the band did. I'm not sure what you mean by 60's/retro laziness, so I'm not entirely sure where to direct you. I think they work pretty hard to earn their '60s influences. Hey, they even got to back up Arthur Lee at one point. They did put out a really great album as Michael Head and The Strands called THE MAGICAL WORLD OF THE STRANDS which is mostly acoustic and a little less hit-directed than H.M.S. FABLE. The one with the smoking kid on the cover is WATERPISTOL. It sounds a lot like an electric version of the Strands album, with very early '90s UK production: it would fit in nicely on a mix tape next to "Twisterella" if you know what I mean. I like it, but it's slightly dated. The extremely out of print ZILCH has thinner production. The sound is more '80s English guitar pop edging towards the '90s, which is apparently like Michael Head's previous band, the Pale Fountains, but that's where I got off the bus. The odds of your finding a copy of ZILCH are pretty slim. If you get a CDR from the guy who runs their website, I won't tell. Thanks to all for the helpful advice on Crack the Sky. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:32:04 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Crack the Sky?? (ns) In a message dated 7/16/01 7:37:55 PM, loudfan@yahoo.com writes: >Having lived in Baltimore for many years, I can tell >you that CTS were *huuuuge* in Maryland but they never >quite hit the big time nationally. 98 Rock in >Baltimore used to play them all the time, and they >were regulars at the late and possibly lamented metal >club Hammerjacks Cut the word "possibly." A great club to wear huge hair and get laid, or to see metal embarrassments, but also perfection for pushing Cheap Trick before their resurgent popularity, or for booking great DC punk bands when they could. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #163 *******************************