From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #162 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Monday, July 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 162 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] Whoops... ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] factory mileage, city mileage [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] factory mileage, city mileage [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] factory mileage, city mileage [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] factory mileage, city mileage (in Princeton) [steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) >And what the hell happened to Ride? Last I heard - what, five yars ago? - >they were hiring on children's choirs and trying to run Love, the Zombies, >and Small Faces through a blender. But here, they just amplify the >blender, somehow get it to play notes, have the drummer impersonate an >octopus in a hurricane, and then - genius - throw these gorgeous >three-part vocal harmonies on top of the whole mess. I know we've done this before, and my apologies, but was Ride the band who did that mighty piece of white soul that went, "put your HANDS on put your HANDS on" several years back? I can't quite remember, and now I can't find any definitive trace of the song in question. Hm...Bettie Serveert did a whole album of Velvets covers... Andy "In college, we read about a group of people who were shown photographs of dental decomposition in various stages. The people who were shown photographs of mild deterioration and mild tooth loss increased their dental care, their dental hygiene. But people who were shown severely deteriorated mouths, hideous photographs, those people just shut down entirely. They quit brushing their teeth and flossing altogether. It actually made them worse. That's why if you're going to portray sadness, if you're going to have enormous amounts of sad, dark material, it has to be presented in a funny way, or there has to be intermittent funny scenes to release that tension, to bring people back up, to contrast with the sadness so that it can occur again and again." - --Chuck Palahnuik, author of FIGHT CLUB and CHOKE, from an interview with C.P. Farley at http://www.powells.com/authors/palahniuk.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:27:43 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Whoops... "Chuck Palahniuk" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:36:51 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) Hm...Bettie Serveert did a whole album of Velvets covers... >>>>>>>>>> Which is actually pretty good. None of their versions will make you forget the originals, but I'm happy that I got it. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:54:08 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) At 01:36 PM 7/15/01 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: >Hm...Bettie Serveert did a whole album of Velvets covers... >>>>>>>>>>> > >Which is actually pretty good. None of their versions will make you >forget the originals, but I'm happy that I got it. Carol Van Dyk has a new album coming out next month as half of a duo called, bizarrely enough, Chitlin Fooks. The other half is a guy in some Belgian band, I forget his name. Anyway, it's basically a Gram-and-Emmylou country-rock album, and the surprise is that it's actually quite nice. S ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:33:43 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > At 01:36 PM 7/15/01 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: > >Hm...Bettie Serveert did a whole album of Velvets covers... > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >Which is actually pretty good. None of their versions will make you > >forget the originals, but I'm happy that I got it. > > Carol Van Dyk has a new album coming out next month as half of a duo > called, bizarrely enough, Chitlin Fooks. The other half is a guy in some > Belgian band, I forget his name. Anyway, it's basically a Gram-and-Emmylou > country-rock album, and the surprise is that it's actually quite nice. your mileage may ary, but after seeing Bettie Serveert live about a year ago, I upgraded them from "okay but nothing to special" to "nearly in YLT's league" in terms of their ability to play well together. all their stuff sounded a lot better live. I'm of the opion that the (live) VU covers disc advances this hypothesis... - -- d. np a home made bill frisell best-of = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:52:43 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] PSA w/gtr (2) At 05:33 PM 7/15/01 -0400, dmw wrote: >your mileage may ary, but after seeing Bettie Serveert live about a year >ago, I upgraded them from "okay but nothing to special" to "nearly in >YLT's league" in terms of their ability to play well together. all their >stuff sounded a lot better live. I'm of the opion that the (live) VU >covers disc advances this hypothesis... I think Bettie Serveert have really undergone a metamorphosis on record recently (last year's PRIVATE SUITS was the first really strong album they've done since PALOMINE, and it's much more unique than that record was), so I hope they've undergone one live too. However, they remain one of two or three bands where I have literally fallen asleep during their set, when they were opening for Wilco in early 1997. (Throwing Muses, during the UNIVERSITY tour, was another. I forget the third, but I'm pretty sure there was one.) S ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:00:28 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] factory mileage, city mileage On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > I think Bettie Serveert have really undergone a metamorphosis on record > recently (last year's PRIVATE SUITS was the first really strong album > they've done since PALOMINE, and it's much more unique than that record > was), so I hope they've undergone one live too. However, they remain one > of two or three bands where I have literally fallen asleep during their > set, when they were opening for Wilco in early 1997. (Throwing Muses, > during the UNIVERSITY tour, was another. I forget the third, but I'm > pretty sure there was one.) ...heh.... i saw a brief acoustic set by the _university_ (i think...) era muses and was absolutely rivited by David N.'s drumming on a very minimalist kit -- kick, snare, hat & maybe 1 tom? usually if i'm really on the verge of going to sleep i either leave, or go to the bar for coffee. - -- d. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] factory mileage, city mileage On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, dmw wrote: > i saw a brief acoustic set by the _university_ (i think...) era muses and > was absolutely rivited by David N.'s drumming on a very minimalist kit -- > kick, snare, hat & maybe 1 tom? The first concert I ever went to was Throwing Muses (headlined by New Order). I'd never heard the Muses before, but was totally blown away by N.'s drumming as well. OK, it was my first concert, and who knows, Yanni might have been able to blow me away, but it was incredible. To be totally tangential, work forced me into a short trip back to Princeton, where the only good thing was the Princeton Record Exchange. Here's how far $36 can take you in their bargain CD bins: Fastbacks "Zucker" Grant Lee Buffalo "Mighty Joe Moon" Sarah Harmer "You Were Here" Mojave 3 "Out of Tune" Velvet Crush "Teenage Sympathies to God" Creeper Lagoon "Take Back the Universe and Give Me Yesterday" Suddenly, Tammy! s/t Boo Radleys "Giant Steps" Boo Radely "Wake Up!" Grant Lee Buffalo "Fuzzy" Roxette "Look Sharp!" Sam Phillips "Omnipop" Superchunk "No Pocky for Kitty" Boston s/t I already owned a couple of these, but for 2 bucks, I'll pick up an extra copy of Sarah Harmer just to spread the Good News to friends. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:22:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] chat Anyone up for a chat? irc.eskimo.com (#loudfans) Jer Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:35:46 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] factory mileage, city mileage At 06:19 PM 7/15/01 -0400, Michael Mitton wrote: >On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, dmw wrote: > >> i saw a brief acoustic set by the _university_ (i think...) era muses and >> was absolutely rivited by David N.'s drumming on a very minimalist kit -- >> kick, snare, hat & maybe 1 tom? > >The first concert I ever went to was Throwing Muses (headlined by New >Order). I'd never heard the Muses before, but was totally blown away >by N.'s drumming as well. OK, it was my first concert, and who knows, >Yanni might have been able to blow me away, but it was incredible. Up to about THE REAL RAMONA, David was arguably the best--certainly the most distinctive--drummer on the whole US indie rock scene. The way that he'd almost never use cymbals and played everything like he'd just slammed 20 espressos in a row was my favorite thing about the band. But sometime in the early '90s, David started playing like everyone else, which made the UNIVERSITY concert really odd to watch--you could tell an early song immediately, because he started all the recent songs with the same cymbal crash and didn't touch the cymbals during the HUNKPAPA and prior material. > >To be totally tangential, work forced me into a short trip back to >Princeton, where the only good thing was the Princeton Record Exchange. >Here's how far $36 can take you in their bargain CD bins: > >Fastbacks "Zucker" My vote for the absolute best bubblegum-punk album of the '90s, and second only to the first Undertones album in the entire genre. S ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:32:00 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] factory mileage, city mileage usually if i'm really on the verge of going to sleep i either leave, or go to the bar for coffee. >>>>>>>>>> In recent years, I've become a big proponent of vodka and Coke as the concert drink of choice...sort of a mild, liquid speedball. Mints also seem to help...I'm still trying to find a non-bovine mint that tastes as good as Altoids. The only concert I've ever had to leave due to exaustion was American Music Club, and I wasn't really liking them anyway. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:56:20 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: [loud-fans] Put your HANDS on.... Andy, and whoever else may be interested, it was Reef (a pretty easily worked out musical-roots-related anagram), not Ride, who recorded the song in question - peace & love phil np: Dream Syndicate, 'Medicine Show', this time adding up the Velvets references...! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:53:07 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] factory mileage, city mileage (in Princeton) On Sunday, July 15, 2001, at 05:19 PM, Michael Mitton wrote: > Sam Phillips "Omnipop" Someone on the Sam list posted a link to a story about Sam and the upcoming FAN DANCE. One of the reasons she took a break is that OMNIPOP (has?) sold only 26,000 copies, after M&B sold 100,000. I guess OMNIPOP was too smart for the room. Or maybe 74,000 Colin Moulding fans passed on the album. - - Steve __________ President Bush met privately with top officials from the Salvation Army in May to discuss his "faith-based" initiative while the White House was reviewing a request from the charity for a regulation protecting it from local workplace nondiscrimination laws based on sexual orientation. - Dana Milbank, Washington Post ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #162 *******************************