From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #161 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, July 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Das Damen ["Phil Gerrard" ] Re: [loud-fans] Dream Syndicate / Beatles covers ["richblath" ] [loud-fans] random shopping tip (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] random shopping tip (ns) [Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] Das Damen Dana wrote: > Das Damen did a kind of cool cover of "Magical Mystery Tour" on an EP; > the one that also had the song "Bug" on it. Great little EP that I > wish I'd held on to. I never found anything else by them remotely as > good. Yeah, 'Marshmellow (sic) Conspiracy'. Hate to rub it in, but that EP is now something of a collector's item: the 'Magical Mystery Tour' cover, which also included references to the Rutles' 'Tragical History Tour', was entitled 'Song for Michael Jackson to $ell', which led to predictable legal trouble and the withdrawal and deletion of the record. And no, Das Damen never did anything else as good, despite the Melody Maker's typically contrarian and bone-headed contention that they were far superior to their one-time labelmates Husker Du. SST's reputation was massively inflated by the fact that they had the Huskers, Minutemen/Firehose, the Meat Puppets, and Black Flag on their roster, but otherwise their output was mostly pretty horrible IMO. peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:50:20 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Dream Syndicate / Beatles covers > Steve > > NP: Dream Syndicate - Medicine Show > -currently digging live "lounge piano" version of "Tell Me When It's > Over" > I always prefered the version of Merrittville from the original album too, partly at least because of the piano intro rather than the guitar one heard on Live at Raji's. O also much prefer Medicine Show to Days of Wine & Roses as I reckon the standard of songwriting is much more consistent throughout and songs like the aforementioned Merrittville, Burn and Bullet with my Name on it transcend any duff production values. One of the great things about seeing Steve Wynn live recently is the way he reworks some of his oldest material - maybe he couldn't stand playing it the old way anymore - but on the My Midnight tour they did a great version of Medicine Show that kicked off with Chris Brokaw playing a banjo riff. Unfortunately you had to imagine part of it as the sound system ensured that it got lost as soon as most of the other instruments came in. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:50:52 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Cleverer than Right Said Fred and Stipe combined It was written: >When Gabriel isn't working with his gelatin-eating homies, he's finishing his new studio album, tentatively titled Up. "Up"? Wow, what an original idea for an album title! Clearly another eloquent example of how Gabriel is a genius and the rest of us mere apes. ;) Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:42:11 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Of possible interest >I think the best place to start with Anton is A SPLENDID TRAY, which is >much more of a piece, and offers the weird Anton and the brilliant Anton >in the appropriate proportions. Yes, I'd been on the fence about Anton, but A SPLENDID TRAY turned me into a believer. 17th CENTURY FUZZBOX BLUES is quite fine also, though it does radically change moods roughly halfway through. Joe, could we discuss the bonus tracks on GOLDEN BOOT? One's obviously "Little Bleep Bleep" with the title chorus (re-?) instated, but what are the others? Hoping for a Charles E. Culpepper Endowment Grant, Andy "If you want to get pregnant through donor artificial insemination, maybe I can help. 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It's still in constant rotation nearly two years after release, and whenever I get around to updating my all time top ten albums list, I'm sure A SPLENDID TRAY will be on there somewhere. Definitely the best place to start. > Joe, could we discuss the bonus tracks on GOLDEN BOOT? One's obviously > "Little Bleep Bleep" with the title chorus (re-?) instated, but what are the > others? Track #21 is track #11 ("None Fun") backwards or "put back-to-front" (as George Martin would say). Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:28:31 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Das Damen At 12:54 PM 7/14/01 +0100, Phil Gerrard wrote: >Yeah, 'Marshmellow (sic) Conspiracy'. Hate to rub it in, but that EP >is now something of a collector's item: the 'Magical Mystery Tour' >cover, which also included references to the Rutles' 'Tragical >History Tour', was entitled 'Song for Michael Jackson to $ell', which >led to predictable legal trouble and the withdrawal and deletion of >the record. Das Damen also did a pretty groovy version of "Piggy in the Middle" on the extremely uneven Shimmy-Disc tribute RUTLES HIGHWAY REVISITED. This CD is worth just for Neil Innes' liner notes, in which he's entirely honest about his opinions, which are mostly along the lines of "What *is* this shit?" But Phil's right, Das Damen were not really that great when they were playing their own material. >SST's reputation was massively inflated by the fact that they had >the Huskers, Minutemen/Firehose, the Meat Puppets, and Black >Flag on their roster, but otherwise their output was mostly pretty >horrible IMO. Ah, but if Black Flag hadn't discovered Black Sabbath and weed around 1984, we wouldn't have had grunge! It's up to you whether this is a good or bad thing. S ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 01:01:05 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] random shopping tip (ns) So many thanks to those who vouched for that Laser's Edge CDs place in NJ, which shipped my discs in two days. Even though this doesn't relate to anything on this list per se, I can't resist throwing out a recommendation: The CD that I was so ecstatic to get from them was "Silence & Wisdom" by Deux Filles, a group composed of two French girls, Claudine Coule and Gemini Forque who met in France in the '70s through somewhat tragic circumstances. The duo recorded only two albums, only one of which is available on CD. They subsequently disappeared, though rumors that they had abandoned music and relocated to India or Australia have circulated. They left behind a small but incredible body of work that combines elements of classical, soundtrack and ambient music and doesn't really sound like anyone else, although fans of Brian Eno and Simon Fisher Turner probably wouldn't be disappointed. I've been trying, unsuccesfully, to find a copy of the CD for years as it's long out of print, and wasn't widely available even when it was in print. The one copy that I saw on eBay went for a pretty high price, and I've never seen a used copy. So, if anyone is at all interested, I'd highly recommend getting in touch with Laser's Edge: they had four brand new copies and I bought three of them. I doubt that there'll be another chance to pick this up for the $6.00 that they're charging. And, if you don't like it, you could easily sell it on eBay for much more. IMHO, it's worth it just for the packaging, but I also think that this could possibly become a favorite CD for the right person. It's pretty special. I think the url for Laser's Edge is www.lasercd.com. If not, google to the rescue. I'm assuming that the fourth copy hasn't yet been sold... - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:39:04 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] random shopping tip (ns) At 01:01 AM 7/15/01 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: >The CD that I was so ecstatic to get from them was "Silence & Wisdom" by >Deux Filles, a group composed of two French girls, Claudine Coule and >Gemini Forque who met in France in the '70s through somewhat tragic >circumstances. The duo recorded only two albums, only one of which is >available on CD. They subsequently disappeared, though rumors that they >had abandoned music and relocated to India or Australia have circulated. >They left behind a small but incredible body of work that combines >elements of classical, soundtrack and ambient music and doesn't really >sound like anyone else, although fans of Brian Eno and Simon Fisher >Turner probably wouldn't be disappointed. It sounds like Dana already knows this, but Simon Fisher Turner fans in particular won't be disappointed because he *was* Deux Filles. He recorded these two albums with his friend Colin Tucker in 1982, making up the bio of the two French girls as some kind of weird joke. (Turner is *mad* for pseudonyms for some reason.) Turner and Tucker also posed in drag as the deux filles on the album's sleeve. My friend Mike is mad for SFT, and has played me bits of this album while I'm hanging out in his store. Parts of it remind me of Virginia Astley's piano albums, and others remind me of Soft Verdict or Gavin Bryars or some of those other European post-minimalists of that era. Regardless, what I've heard is pretty excellent, and I second Dana's recommendation. S NP: ROPE-A-DOPE--Antietam (why don't I listen to this more often, when I love it whenever I hear it?) ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #161 *******************************