From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #153 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, July 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 153 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] obscure supermarket music--current frontrunner ["Phil Ger] Re: [loud-fans] if at first... (tape swap) [=?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?=] Re: [loud-fans] obscure supermarket music--current frontrunner [Charity S] Re: [loud-fans] We're only half as far as we need to go [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] Cultural differences - ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] She's a man, man! ["glenn mcdonald" ] [loud-fans] cardinal (not cardinal)(ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] She's a man, man! [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] She's a man, man! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] She's a man, man! [Cardinal007@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Cultural differences - [Cardinal007@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] cardinal (not cardinal)(ns) ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:05:31 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure supermarket music--current frontrunner > > >No, that place is long gone, succeeded by a series of other places > > >that turned over unfortunately quickly. Currently the space is > > >occupied by something south Asian - not Indian exactly, maybe > > >Bangladeshi? > > > > I learned recently, at my summer job, that the term is "Bengali." > > But Bangladesh is only part of what was once called Bengal. The part > of India with Calcutta in it was also Bengal, and the language spoken > there is called Bengali. Surely there must be some adjective to > describe only the inhabitants of Bangladesh. - Dan Right first time, actually - 'Bangladeshi' is the correct adjective, or at least the one that's in common usage in the UK. phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:06:24 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: Re: [loud-fans] if at first... (tape swap) Dana L Paoli wrote: > 6. Jack Drag -- We Could Have Been Big > Reminds me a lot of a song that I very much doubt they ever heard, but > just in case there's a Nemo fan on the list, You mean the Belgian Nemo? Or is there another one? Toodlepip, - -Stef Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 06:52:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Charity Stafford Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure supermarket music--current frontrunner John Sharples: >>> I learned recently, at my summer job, that the term is "Bengali." Dan Sallitt: >> But Bangladesh is only part of what was once called Bengal. The part >> of India with Calcutta in it was also Bengal, and the language spoken >> there is called Bengali. Surely there must be some adjective to >> describe only the inhabitants of Bangladesh. - Dan Phil Gerrard: > Right first time, actually - 'Bangladeshi' is the correct adjective, > or at least the one that's in common usage in the UK. me: That's what I thought - I used to refer to said inhabitants as Bengalis, but had more recently observed references to Bangladeshis and, being aware that "Bengali" referred to a larger group, had corrected myself. It occurs to me that the restaurant in question may actually be Pakistani... And Johnny D's is long, long gone (the Allston one, not the Somerville one which continues going strong) - more's the pity, it was a favorite band venue because it was homier than the Paradise and both were withing walking distance of my house. Bands I saw there a really lot of times: O Positive, Throwing Muses (back when they were still teenagers), Miracle Legion, Classic Ruins, The Five, and Uzi. It was there that a doorman checking my ID said "oh, yeah, you can go in, you're older than me!" (Thanks, kid...) For a while after the Allston Johnny D's closed the local activity moved to Bunratty's, which had previously been a party-hearty venue I wouldn't have set foot in. Bunratty's is long gone, too. Of the clubs I frequented back in the day (Johnny D's, The Rat, Chet's Last Call, TT's, and, late on in the game, the Middle East) only the last two remain. The space that was formerly Johnny D's is now Common Ground, one of the seemingly hundreds of Irish pubs that have proliferated in Boston and Cambridge in the past decade. reminiscently yours - Charity ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 10:31:40 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] We're only half as far as we need to go Young Fresh Fellows: Because We Hate You Minus 5: Let The War Against Music Begin Old 97s: Satellite Rides The Clientele: Suburban Light Haven't bought the Shins or the Pernice Brothers yet. The new Belle & Sebastian EP is good, but would have been better if Stuart Murdoch sang the lead track. Actually, the new Creeper Lagoon, which I'm now three songs into now, sounds alright. No Radiohead, no R.E.M. MB ------------------------------ Date: 06 Jul 2001 10:43:33 -0400 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mooning the spoons (tape swap a go go) Dana L Paoli writes: | 8. Anything You Want -- Spoon | | Highlight #2 of the CD-R. Do I hear an Elvis Costello influence | creeping in or is it some other '80s person who's name is slipping my | mind at the moment. Assuming that this is on the new CD, I must buy it. It is indeed, and is in my opinion the best song on it, though the others are no slouches. The arrangements on this album are just perfect; listen to the way the keyboard counter-melody sneaks in almost unnoticeably in the second verse. I see what you mean about Costello; I think the spare arrangements and keyboards are what give it that sort of feel. np: The Gravel Pit, MASS AVENUE FREEZE-OUT. Have I pushed these guys on you all already? - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:05:27 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure supermarket music--current frontrunner In a message dated 7/6/01 6:57:15 AM, cls@world.std.com writes: >John Sharples: > >>>> I learned recently, at my summer job, that the term is "Bengali." > >Dan Sallitt: > >>> But Bangladesh is only part of what was once called Bengal. The part >>> of India with Calcutta in it was also Bengal, and the language spoken >>> there is called Bengali. Surely there must be some adjective to >>> describe only the inhabitants of Bangladesh. - Dan > >Phil Gerrard: > >> Right first time, actually - 'Bangladeshi' is the correct adjective, > >> or at least the one that's in common usage in the UK. > >me: > >That's what I thought - I used to refer to said inhabitants >as Bengalis, but had more recently observed references to >Bangladeshis and, being aware that "Bengali" referred to a >larger group, had corrected myself. > >It occurs to me that the restaurant in question may actually >be Pakistani... Is "Dothead" completely out? yer offensive pal, C7 ps I have a colored manservant sifting through the protests, so let them fly ..... ppss screw the English too ......... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:19:08 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: [loud-fans] Cultural differences - Interesting. The Cardinal's last post, which I guess in the US looks only mildly offensive, and strictly for comical effect at that, would in the UK be considered *seriously* out of order these days. Is this just a matter of the difference in the size of the relevant minority population between our two countries, or is there also some post-colonial guilt involved on the Brits' part? Curious - peace & love phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:36:21 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cultural differences Phil asks: >The Cardinal's last post, which I guess in the US looks only mildly >offensive, and strictly for comical effect at that, would in the UK be >considered *seriously* out of order these days. Is this just a matter >of the difference in the size of the relevant minority population >between our two countries, or is there also some post-colonial guilt >involved on the Brits' part? I've always found it interesting how in the US the political correctness fad only extends to certain parts of the population. Eddie Murphy hit the nail on the head back in the 80s when he sad it was no longer cool to make fun of black people, so everyone started to pick on Asians (the term "Asian" always seemed a little silly to me, since it encompasses so many different ethnicities but usually is used to specificaly describe people who are no longer called "Oriental" and not Asian people from India, Pakistan and so on.) Now that's no longer acceptable, but I have seen lots of humor directed at people from India and its surrounding countries, and lots of stereotypes too. I see the same thing (at least where I live, because the population is large) toward Arabic people. When that's no longer PC, I'm sure we'll still have Polish and Italian jokes. To answer your question, I'd think that the much smaller proportion of people of Indian descent in the US vs. the UK is probably why it's yet to become much of an issue. I'm sure it will eventually. Everything else does. In the world of US/UK cultural differences, what I'm dying to find out is what the Lindisfarne lyric "slap them down and slap it on their smalls" means. Like George Harrison's "the Pope owns 51% of General Motors/And the stock exchange is the only thing he's qualified to quote us" it was left off of the lyric sheet, and I'm sure it's not very nice. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:38:40 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] We're only half as far as we need to go Ah yes, Mama Digdowns Brass Junction, from that creole music hotbed of Madison, Wisconsin.. I've seen these guys several times in clubs.. very cool.. They march in, play some tunes and then march out... Wes John F Butland @smoe.org on 07/04/2001 05:53:55 PM Sent by: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org To: "Andrew Hamlin" , "Jer Fairall" , "Willful obscurity" cc: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] We're only half as far as we need to go At 07:47 PM 01-07-03 -0700, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >>Mama Digdown's Brass Band - Mama's House > >This an actual brass band? Yessir - sousaphone, 2 tenor saxes, 2 trumpets, trombone, snare drum, and bass drum. They cover Jackson 5, Sheila E, John Coltrane, and bunch of traditional stuff, too. I've been really getting into this stuff lately - Dirty Dozen BB, Rebirth BB, Forgotten Rebels BB, etc. Magical stuff. Mama's House includes a recipe for beans and rice in the booklet, too. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 11:38:25 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cultural differences - In a message dated 7/6/01 11:26:17 AM, p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk writes: >The Cardinal's last post, which I guess in the US looks only mildly >offensive, and strictly for comical effect at that, would in the UK be > >considered *seriously* out of order these days. Well, It Was MEANT to be seriously offensive here in the States as well. Having the freedom to adopt this persona, I would hate to waste it on a half-hearted offensiveness. I tossed it out because the list seems interminably preoccupied with demonstrating its lack of offensiveness, and I'm having fun until banished by Dennis. I'm sure I'll swing around to the US "N"word soon, and might bask in the light of the Kosovar "Magyar" soon -- offensive is my middle name. But that's because it's all a laugh. As I am a Magyar native american negro polish american Scot who hates the English, I feel free to type whatever strikes my fancy.............. I'm also a woman, as sharples knows. So I am a weak sister. Or am I a man? I forget. This is all on-off stuff anyway. yer departing crackpot, C7 Oh; it occurs to me: you were all just discussing a restaurant. Why all the preoccupation with descriptions when hoping to convey "good food"? PS To my UK friend: I love you. Why, if English, did you conquer the Scots? Oh, yes! Because you *could* ............. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:52:15 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: [loud-fans] RE: cultural differences I forgot to mention: Has anyone here heard the bootlegged (and not included on the ANTHOLOGY) version of "Get Back" where Paul McCartney sings a lyric that referes to "Pakis" taking jobs away from white Britishers? As I've heard it, Paul was not making an anti-Pakistani statement, but rather getting in the character of an angry bigot, but changed the lyric because he thought people would misunderstand his intention. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:50:33 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cultural differences - The Cardinal wrote: > PS To my UK friend: I love you. Why, if English, did you conquer > the Scots? > > Oh, yes! Because you *could* ............. Not retroactively guilty! Back then, one side of my family was still in Germany, the other still in Ireland. You US folks don't have the monopoly on mixed-up ethnic identities, you know... Aaron: >In the world of US/UK cultural differences, what I'm dying to find >out is what the Lindisfarne lyric "slap them down and slap it on >their smalls" means. 'Smalls' rings a bell, but damned if I can say why: I think it's passe now. I'm sure Harry Shearer could enlighten. peace & love phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:59:23 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: cultural differences Aaron Milenski wrote: > I forgot to mention: Has anyone here heard the bootlegged (and not > included on the ANTHOLOGY) version of "Get Back" where Paul McCartney > sings a lyric that referes to "Pakis" taking jobs away from white > Britishers? As I've heard it, Paul was not making an anti-Pakistani > statement, but rather getting in the character of an angry bigot, but > changed the lyric because he thought people would misunderstand his > intention. Specifically, this was a dig at Enoch Powell, a Conservative MP who had made a speech in '68, commonly known as the 'rivers of blood' speech, in which he called for an end to Commonwealth immigration to the UK. Eric Clapton was a big fan of Powell's for a while, and it was his praise for Powell at a concert in '77/'78 which led to the formation of Rock Against Racism - phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:20:03 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: cultural differences This is a major conundrum for a songwriter. Everyone takes the words that are said so literally, and pulls phrases out of songs at random, and nobody seems to understand songwriting in characters anymore. I frequently write in the 3rd person, and often find myself pulling my punches lyrically so people don't assume that I believe what the character is saying. Sad but true. Chris Np: Starflyer 59 - Gold > I forgot to mention: Has anyone here heard the bootlegged (and not included > on the ANTHOLOGY) version of "Get Back" where Paul McCartney sings a lyric > that referes to "Pakis" taking jobs away from white Britishers? As I've > heard it, Paul was not making an anti-Pakistani statement, but rather > getting in the character of an angry bigot, but changed the lyric because he > thought people would misunderstand his intention. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:28:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure supermarket music--current frontrunner On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Charity Stafford wrote: > The thing that comes in a crepe is pretty wonderful, too. I imagined Bug-Eyed Earl from Max Cannon's "Red Meat" comic saying this line...and then immediately regretted having done so. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::You think your country needs you, but you know it never will:: __Elvis Costello__ np: Traffic _Mr. Fantasy_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:27:34 -0700 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure supermarket music--current frontrunner At 7:51 PM -0400 7/5/01, John Sharples wrote: >And oh! it warms my cockles to hear someone else loves INFINITE RIDER ON THE >BIG DOGMA. The amazing thing about that record, I think, is that after >inventing the early Eagles paradigm on his first few albums, on DOGMA he >defined their slick, So-Cal THE LONG RUN sound. >This may not sound like an inspiring recommendation, but the writing and >playing on DOGMA are really first-rate. Wish I could find that one on CD... According to http://www.videoranch.com, it's in stock there for $14.95. (I've recently become an aspiring Nesmith completist, myself, but haven't gotten that far yet... however, this site seems to have everything Nesmithian. Even Run-DMC's "Tougher Than Leather.") This is my first chance to post since the show on Saturday, which was delightful all around. Had a lot of fun meeting everyone, have possibly converted my boyfriend's sister to the Cult of Scott, and was especially excited that the opening song, "Come Saturday Morning," was the first thing I learned to play 25 years ago from my "250 Hits for EZ Organ" songbook. For just one fleeting moment, I thought, "Hey! I could sit in!" But alas, there was no EZ organ in sight. Tops for this year so far: Duking it out for #1, the Old 97's "Satellite Rides" and Hawksley Workman's "(Last Night We Were) The Delicious Wolves." Somewhere after that, Nick Cave's "No More Shall We Part," Rufus Wainwright's "Poses," Whiskeytown's "Pneumonia," Joe Henry's "Scar," P. Hux's "Purgatory Falls," Young Fresh Fellows vs. the Minus Five. Also enjoying, although I'm not sure if they're best-of-year material: Ron Sexsmith's "Blue Boy" (a change of producers seems to have opened up whole new worlds for this lad) and Stephen Malkmus's self-titled album. Haven't gotten through Anton's new one yet, but I like what I've heard thus far. I think I'll eventually pick up Belle da Gama, too, based on Saturday's performance, but I was too poor at the time to buy both. Looking forward to: Yazbek's "Damascus" (out in a week or two) and the double live CD from the Nields (available on their website and at shows only). - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:37:53 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cultural differences - phil writes: Interesting. The Cardinal's last post, which I guess in the US looks only mildly offensive, and strictly for comical effect at that, would in the UK be considered *seriously* out of order these days. Is this just a matter of the difference in the size of the relevant minority population between our two countries, or is there also some post-colonial guilt involved on the Brits' part? <><><><><><><><><><><><> Primarily the latter, I'd say. Actually, "dothead" is somewhat offensive in the U.S., too. But where we, being a former colony ourselves, never really have admitted to colonial behavior (nor, more specifically, have we colonized India), so certain direct political power mechanical aspects are missing from the term's deployment on this side. Conversely, colonialism constitutes a major part of Britain's history. In the States, we had this thing called "slavery" that we can't seem to get past, which has spawned an entire series of terms which have, one after the other, been declared offensive. Personally, I find the "Native American" business to be more interesting, terminologically. It implies that this continent was "America" before Europeans noticed it. It serves as a cover all for some fairly diverse people, the implied unity itself implying ignorance or lack of concern on the part of the impliers. And it carries a quasi-mystical connotation of the proud heritage of a lost race, granted only after they'd been sufficiently exterminated to attain the "lost" part of that construct. & curiouser, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:52:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: cultural differences On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Chris Prew wrote: > This is a major conundrum for a songwriter. Everyone takes the words that > are said so literally, and pulls phrases out of songs at random, and nobody > seems to understand songwriting in characters anymore. I frequently write > in the 3rd person, and often find myself pulling my punches lyrically so > people don't assume that I believe what the character is saying. Sad but > true. See the entire career of Randy Newman. Speaking of which, did anyone else read that column a few weeks back by (I think) Thomas Friedman, who imagined that Newman's "Sail Away" was somehow a good prop to deploy in his criticism of European's "anti-American" attitudes? Maybe not quite as dunderheaded as the adaptation of "Born in the USA" as anthem of patriotism - but nearly so... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who wouldn't wanna hurt no kangaroos J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ np: Supergrass s/t ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:19:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] RE: cultural differences (erratum) I wrut: > > See the entire career of Randy Newman. Speaking of which, did anyone else > > read that column a few weeks back by (I think) Thomas Friedman, who > > imagined that Newman's "Sail Away" was somehow a good prop to deploy in > > his criticism of European's "anti-American" attitudes? Maybe not quite as > > dunderheaded as the adaptation of "Born in the USA" as anthem of > > patriotism - but nearly so... A kind Loudfan pointed out to me that the Newman song in question is "Political Science" (as my little tagline might have suggested)... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The more you drive, the less intelligent you are:: __Miller, in REPO MAN__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:30:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cultural differences - On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > In the States, we had this thing called "slavery" that we can't seem to get > past, which has spawned an entire series of terms which have, one after the > other, been declared offensive. > > Personally, I find the "Native American" business to be more interesting, > terminologically. It implies that this continent was "America" before Europeans > noticed it. It serves as a cover all for some fairly diverse people, the > implied unity itself implying ignorance or lack of concern on the part of the > impliers. And it carries a quasi-mystical connotation of the proud heritage of > a lost race, granted only after they'd been sufficiently exterminated to attain > the "lost" part of that construct. Yeah, all of it is part of the same sort of "gesture covers for reality" attitude, I think. You know: I'm using the right words - therefore, I couldn't possibly be anything other than good. "Asian" is (as someone pointed out) pretty dubious, lumping together as it does bunches of rather heterogeneous cultures. And the whole "-American" thing can get kind of goofy...as when someone's trying to refer to a Canadian of African descent, trips on "African-American," tries to backtrack, mentally tries out and (thankfully) rejects "African-Canadian," and finally sputters out...w/o ever wondering whether the person's ethnicity was in the least bit relevant. What' funny is, like dreads (which I see nowadays more often on white hipsters), it seems these terms are more frequently deployed by carefully enunciating white folks than the people whom the terms ostensibly designate. I'm a lot likelier to hear "black" from the mouth of a black person than "African-American," and way more likely to hear "Indian" than "Native American" from a...uh...(asks Cardinal for best term here; he can't decide between "redskins" and "devil-worshipping, Puritan-slaughtering scalp-taker") - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 12:49:09 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cultural differences - At 01:30 PM 7/6/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >What' funny is, like dreads (which I see nowadays more often on white >hipsters), it seems these terms are more frequently deployed by carefully >enunciating white folks than the people whom the terms ostensibly >designate. I'm a lot likelier to hear "black" from the mouth of a black >person than "African-American," and way more likely to hear "Indian" than >"Native American" from a...uh...(asks Cardinal for best term here; he >can't decide between "redskins" and "devil-worshipping, >Puritan-slaughtering scalp-taker") I'm assuming that I have more day-to-day contact with real live Native Americans than many folks, what with living in a city surrounded by reservations, and I can confirm that "Indian" is usually preferred to "Native American" among the folks themselves, but even more than that, most of the folks I know refer only to their specific tribe: "I'm a Navajo," "I'm a Zuni," etc. I know I've said this here before, but my favorite response to this question came from my college girlfriend, when a Well-Meaning White Person solicitously asked if she preferred to be called "African-American" or "black": "I prefer to be called Terry, bitch." (Later, complaining about this woman, she elaborated, "What the fuck do I know about Africa? I'm from Dayton, Ohio.") S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:58:36 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cultural differences - > the whole "-American" thing can get kind of goofy My favorite example of this was someone who haughtily "corrected" the use of "black" in a description of a soccer game to "African-American", failing to note 1) that the use of the term in this case was specifically referring to skin color, *not* ethnicity, and 2) that the players in question were Haitian, anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:49:55 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure supermarket music--current frontrunner >I imagined Bug-Eyed Earl from Max Cannon's "Red Meat" comic saying this >line...and then immediately regretted having done so. Is it just me, or is that guy a dead ringer for Tracey Walter? This was just a regular guy on fire, Andy "It all adds up... You are definitely a woman!" - --from The Gender Test, when I took it at http://test.thespark.com/gendertest/ . The software reported an "86% certainty" of its result. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:08:23 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cultural differences - In a message dated 7/6/01 2:34:42 PM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: >and way more likely to hear "Indian" than >"Native American" from a...uh...(asks Cardinal for best term here; he >can't decide between "redskins" and "devil-worshipping, >Puritan-slaughtering scalp-taker") I prefer "coon." In fact, "coon" is a universal derogator, unless you're referring to Italians. They're "dago coons." And, as a Native American, I'm barred from taking scalps, which I wish to do under the First Amendment unless using school funds ..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:32:52 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure supermarket music--current frontrunner "Andrew Hamlin" on 2001/07/06 Fri PM 12:49:55 MDT wrote: > "It all adds up... > You are definitely a woman!" > > --from The Gender Test, when I took it at > http://test.thespark.com/gendertest/ . The software reported an "86% > certainty" of its result. Ha, I'm all MAN, Hamlin, you sissy! With 80% confidence, at least. Although in most of the examples they gave at the end, my answers fell on the "female" side. Hmmmmm.... Later. --Rog (dislikes the word "used" more than "moist", but really doesn't hate either one of them) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:42:59 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] mooning the spoons (tape swap a go go) In a message dated 01-07-06 02:30:24 EDT, sallitt@micro-net.com writes: > I don't think there are any Maggies around here anymore, but go to > http://themaggies.com. - Dan Max, the guy in the band who was on the list, left the band some time ago. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 18:37:43 +0700 From: Cyndy Patrick Subject: [loud-fans] She's a man, man! Thespark.com is 86% certain I'm a man. Interesting; no more visits to the gynecologist are needed! Yay! So with the exception of manly Roger, are these gender-defying results typical amongst loudfans? - -Cyndy > > "It all adds up... > > You are definitely a woman!" > > > > --from The Gender Test, when I took it at > > http://test.thespark.com/gendertest/ . The software reported an "86% > > certainty" of its result. > > Ha, I'm all MAN, Hamlin, you sissy! With 80% confidence, at least. Although in most of the examples they gave at the end, > my answers fell on the "female" side. Hmmmmm.... > > Later. --Rog (dislikes the word "used" more than "moist", but really doesn't hate either one of them) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:15:49 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] She's a man, man! It thought I was a woman, but my little dot was pretty close to the center of the graph. Baby. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:29:18 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] cardinal (not cardinal)(ns) From parasol: Cardinal S/T (AVAILABLE late-July) PS, US Reissue w/prev unreleased trx! Beautifully lush pop from Eric Matthews & Richard Davies. Classic pop a la Zombies, Love, Beach Boys, Beatles... GernBlandsten-056 CD $10.25 First reaction...how many of my goddamn albums am I going to have to buy multiple times? What does "trx" mean? One track? Two? That unissued triple live album that they always wanted to put out? And finally, who or what is GernBlandsten, who seem(s) to be intent on re-releasing everything that Richard Davies was involved with. And what happened to Flydaddy? And how many people are really clamoring for a re-issue of "Instinct" (Stewart, I love it too, but come on, what can the possible audience be at this point)? - --dana np: The Jazz Butcher and His Sikkorskis From Hell/Hamburg [and yes, I'm very glad I decided to look through that new pile of used records at Holy Cow this afternoon] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:36:00 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] She's a man, man! >So with the exception of manly Roger, are these gender-defying results typical amongst >loudfans? It pegged me as a guy, despite my distaffish answers to the two questions that Brian B. claims are determinative. I think the 86% figure is its overall claimed accuracy, since I got the exact same number despite being in the middle of the diagram. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:37:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] She's a man, man! On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Cyndy Patrick wrote: > > > --from The Gender Test, when I took it at > > > http://test.thespark.com/gendertest/ . I know some people on this list will be surprised that I am, in fact, a woman. I purposely didn't answer several questions on the grounds that they were (a) completely stupid, with zero preference on my part (truck or boat? I prefer floating trucks and wheeled boats) or (b) clearly indicative of gender (middle name ending in vowel; the reference to pockets - although that last one is less clear). But still, they figured out I was a woman. My doctor and wife will both be very surprised. But now I can finally come out of the closet as a lesbian. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach":: __William Gass__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 22:28:46 -0400 From: "Grahame Davies" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cultural differences - Phil wrote: >Aaron: > >>In the world of US/UK cultural differences, what I'm dying to find >>out is what the Lindisfarne lyric "slap them down and slap it on >>their smalls" means. > >'Smalls' rings a bell, but damned if I can say why: I think it's passe >now. I'm sure Harry Shearer could enlighten. > Your 'smalls' are your underwear... doesn't seem to make much sense though. Context? - -- Grahame ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:48:07 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] She's a man, man! >I think the 86% figure is its overall claimed accuracy, since I got the exact >same number despite being in the middle of the diagram. Ah yes, maybe I wasn't twigging on the significance of the diagram. All my fellow sex-swappers, be sure to tell the thing it's gone wrong (unless you'd rather not)! Woman with the man head, Andy "Well, it's an unimaginable honor to be the President during the 4th of July of this country. It means what these words say, for starters. The great inalienable rights of our country. We're blessed with such values in America. And I -- it's -- I'm a proud man to be the nation based upon such wonderful values. I can't tell you what it's like to be in Europe, for example, to be talking about the greatness of America. But the true greatness of America are the people. And it's another reason we're here, is to be able to say hello to some of our fellow Americans who are here to celebrate." - --George W. Bush, Jul. 2, 2001, from http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/07/20010702-15.html (courtesy Paul H. Henry) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:25:01 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] She's a man, man! In a message dated 7/6/01 9:43:05 PM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: >But now I can finally come >out of the closet as a lesbian. No need, friend. We knew ..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:41:54 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cultural differences - In a message dated 7/6/01 10:39:44 PM, schmutz@erols.com writes: >Your 'smalls' are your underwear... doesn't seem to make much sense though. >Context? I have it on good authority that, thanks to Grahame, the OED had to add "bigs" to describe the same thing. That cheeky devil; no wonder he's always smiling......... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:05:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cardinal (not cardinal)(ns) On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > who or what is GernBlandsten Not sure who is releasing the Richard Davies records, but "Gern Blandsten" comes from a Steve Martin comedy routine on COMEDY IS NOT PRETTY. "I've decided to use my real name...Gern Blanston." Simply Gern, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 02:54:17 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] She's a man, man! At 06:37 PM 7/6/2001 +0700, Cyndy Patrick wrote: They quite rightly pegged me as a man, but I did end up near the center of their distribution diagram. MB More woman than you'll ever have, more man than you'll ever be. >Thespark.com is 86% certain I'm a man. Interesting; no more visits to the >gynecologist are needed! Yay! > >So with the exception of manly Roger, are these gender-defying results >typical amongst loudfans? > >-Cyndy ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #153 *******************************