From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #148 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, July 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 148 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] Narnia, coupon ["Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" ] Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] lots o' fun at Finnegans Wake (125 release party) [Tim_Wa] Re: [loud-fans] lots o' fun at Finnegans Wake (125 release party) [Roger ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:01:44 +0100 From: "Ian Runeckles & Angela Bennett" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Narnia, coupon Jeff writes: > Not that it's at all relevant to Dana's question, but for some reason, I > can't see the phrase "Jews for Jesus" without hearing it sung to the notes > and rhythm of Elvis Costello's "Moods for Moderns." ...and I keep thinking of the wonderful Kinky Friedman who wrote a song titled something like "They Ain't Making Jews Like Jesus Anymore". Ian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 07:59:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 popanda@juno.com wrote: > > Ah, martyrdom. > > All right. That's it. Does not allowing myself to be bullied by other > drivers make me a martyr? No - driving 55 in front of an 18-wheeler going 75 makes you a martyr. That's the willing sacrifice to which I was referring. > Give me a frigging break, please. I'm SO over > this "Mark's a martyr/Mark has a persecution complex"crap, and I'm tired > of being nice about it. My own rant was not directed at you personally, it was directed at you as the momentary representative of a type of bad driving that I find extremely irksome. In other words, I was venting personal feelings on the list - which is sort of like what you praise below. I just didn't add a lengthy description of the times I've nearly been in accidents driving along highways when somebody poking along twenty miles slower than everybody else suddenly materializes from an entrance ramp, acting for all the world like they expect to be merging with horses and buggies. In southern Illinois, I have actually seen these folks STOP at the end of entrance ramps! Or the clowns who stop right smack in the middle of roadway to lean their beery mugs out the window of their rusted-out, seventies-vintage vans to leer pathetically at women twenty years younger than them, causing everyone behind them to have to slam on their brakes. (I'm piling on irrelevant personal detail here.) > Douglas Coupland lists. Here's your worst nightmare: two lists full of > people very similar to me, who talk about first person experiences, and > their FEELINGS!! OMG!!! Would it reassure that my rant would have been much the same no matter who posted about their abysmal driving habits? As to the "I have a slow car, I can't afford a better one" bit: the fact of the matter is, unsafe driving is unsafe driving for whatever reason. I didn't catch the "freeway/highway" distinction, but I still hold to my point: that people driving radically slower than the flow of traffic constitute a hazard - whatever the roadway. And hey: cheaper cars aren't necessarily slower. You *could* have bought a beat-up old Cadillac and complain about how you're always having to wait while everyone else's puny acceleration putts creakily up to speed. What irked me also was what seemed like a kind of self-righteousness in your original post, Mark - an attitude of "I'm obeying the speed limit, so whatever I do is right, and the other guy is wrong." Insofar as I'm projecting that attitude onto you, I apologize...but again, I was venting personal feelings on the list. You do it by telling lengthy, detailed stories; I do it by writing lengthy, detailed posts that fail miserably even to qualify as stories. As for the rest of your rant: you clearly state that you're pissed off at repeated behavior, not just at my post, which was only the last straw. So I don't need to say that I didn't say many of the things you respond do - I only criticized your attitude toward driving, and gave my reasons for doing so. Finally, nowhere in my post did I say "stop posting like that." I only expressed my (fairly vehement) disagreement with the opinions expressed in your post. If you're going to encourage "personal feelings," you're going to have to accept that sometimes those feelings are going to disagree with you. In closing, let me just state: purring kitties are the coolest! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ coming soon: my attempt to wriggle free of JRT's coy attempts to indict me for racism. I'm thinking of consulting John Ashcroft for advice. np: the ticking clock telling me I'm going to be late for work... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:31:19 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South In closing, let me just state: purring kitties are the coolest! >>>>>>>>> Thank god someone here is finally willing to admit this!! Now when can I post my 36 photos of my kitten playing with string to the list? Huh Dennis? When will your tyrannical censorship end? 'Cause as I've said before, there's *nothing* cuter than a little kitten playing with string!! - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:51:35 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South Jeff continues his rant against victims of poverty and alcoholism: Or the clowns who stop right smack in the middle of roadway to lean their beery mugs out the window of their rusted-out, seventies-vintage vans to leer pathetically at women twenty years younger than them, causing everyone behind them to have to slam on their brakes. (I'm piling on irrelevant personal detail here.) >>>>>>>>>>> You know, if you'd just get off your high horse and start leering at the chicks like everyone else, you wouldn't have this problem. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people who won't drive like everyone else does. They create such a hazard. And I'd like to take this moment to thank God for helping me to write the above post. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:51:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths On Sun, 1 Jul 2001 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/1/01 9:54:39 AM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu recaps: > < prevalent amongst Hispanic players, and I simply said (after an entire post > that said nothing about ethnicity) that I wasn't aware of this fact. So I was > certainly never making any claim about ethnicity, and I was certainly not > limiting either my disdain or my acceptance to anyone based on their > ethnicity. >> > > You did, however, post that a player being Hispanic made for "a cultural > consideration" in an athlete's public display of devoutness. So, what's the > consideration re: that culture? and further: > Someone else decided that there was a "a cultural consideration" to be > made when goofing on athletes who celebrate God at another athlete's > expense. So, I'm still wondering what's the consideration re: that > culture? I recall an anecdote I heard once, of an American visitor in London during the sixties who ran into Paul McCartney on the street. Gushing as if gushing were a staple of the British diet and Paul a starving man, he fawned and obsequiated fussily, and was overjoyed at McCartney's response. Giddy with delight, he told all his American friends how Paul McCartney - Paul McCartney! - had given him the peace sign! "But in England, they do it backwards, with the knuckles facing you..." (I'll let the Brits on the list explain this one to anyone who doesn't get it...) The point is that if you know a culture, you're better equipped to interpret certain things than if you're outside it. So, being outside Hispanic cultures, I was allowing that what I was interpreting as a minor attempt at glory-hogging might mean something different to those inside. And never mind "culture" - someone else pointed out that the gesture might have a wholly private meaning (I think someone told a story about a player whose father had just died). Am I free to go, sir? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I play the guitar. Sometimes I play the fool:: __John Lennon__ np: Tobin Sprout _Moonflower Plastic (Welcome to My Wigwam)_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:01:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > In closing, let me just state: purring kitties are the coolest! > >>>>>>>>> > > Thank god someone here is finally willing to admit this!! Now when can I > post my 36 photos of my kitten playing with string to the list? Huh > Dennis? When will your tyrannical censorship end? 36? Yeesh - you're practically a cat-hater with only 36 photos. My suggestion: follow my example, and Breen the list with all the photos (sent as 12x18 photos, at 300 pixel resolution) sent individually, with each photo having a separate post, each one saying the same thing about how the photos *not* attached to this post are really worth seeing... (Note: since the list has been suffering from an attack of the seriouses lately, I will state: do not actually do this. Thank you.) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The dog-eared pages, the highlighted passages, the margin ::notations...this book has actually been read: it can't be a student's! __Jose Chung__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:03:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > You know, if you'd just get off your high horse and start leering at the > chicks like everyone else, you wouldn't have this problem. And just what's wrong with my driving a high horse? It's all I can afford, I tells ya... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. ::I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! __"raus"__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:08:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jon Tveite Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > You know, if you'd just get off your high horse and start leering at the > chicks like everyone else, you wouldn't have this problem. Look but don't leer, that's my motto. > If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people who won't drive like > everyone else does. They create such a hazard. I especially hate the people who are always checking out the other drivers, trying to figure out how they should drive, maybe standing by the side of the road with a clipboard and a radar gun, calculating the mean. And then they decide you are their model and they ride your ass all the way to Des Moines (no offense to people in Iowa or from Iowa, it was just an example). Those bastards are the dangerous ones. > And I'd like to take this moment to thank God for helping me to write the > above post. Did you go every-other-word, or just consult Him when you were done? More pointlessly than usual, Jon PS: Did I mention how much I like the Belle da Gama song "3-Cornered World"? Yes? Well, I like it more now. I hate people who don't like it as much as I do. It's dangerous. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the album as a whole, which I finally ordered last night. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:21:16 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South > And I'd like to take this moment to thank God for helping me to write the > above post. Did you go every-other-word, or just consult Him when you were done? >>>>>>>>> He helps out whenever he's not busy hitting home runs for Hispanic baseball players. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:38:49 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South In a message dated 7/2/01 10:26:10 AM, dana-boy@juno.com writes: >He helps out whenever he's not busy hitting home runs for Hispanic >baseball players. Barry Bonds is Hispanic? I thought he was just a normal colored guy..... Run, Baby, run!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:42:13 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths In a message dated 7/2/01 6:58:10 AM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: << Am I free to go, sir? >> So far, it looks like you're saying that baseball players of American origin are glory-hogging when giving credit to God. However, since you're outside of the Hispanic culture, players of Hispanic origin will get a pass from you when they do the same because...well, I'm still not sure where you're going there. My guess would be that you're more comfortable goofing on white Christians than any group that isn't an approved target within the usual snide hipster guidelines. It's okay to be honest about that, but you might consider that everyone has the right to credit God whenever they would like to. Try judging one's sincerity, if you must, on a individual basis that isn't based on race. Personally, I sure have my doubts about Jesse Jackson. And I can't believe Tom Gordon hasn't been mentioned amongst all this. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:52:10 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South Now I'm really getting confused. We're supposed to goof on rich people who terrorize the road in their gas-guzzling SUVs, and we're also supposed to goof on poor people who drive at a gas-saving 55 mph in their modest economy cars? What if the car's being driven by an aspiring Hispanic baseball player who's a devout Christian? Kittens, of course, remain universally beloved--even within cultures where they are served up on a stick. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:13:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > Now I'm really getting confused. We're supposed to goof on rich people who > terrorize the road in their gas-guzzling SUVs, and we're also supposed to > goof on poor people who drive at a gas-saving 55 mph in their modest economy > cars? What if the car's being driven by an aspiring Hispanic baseball player > who's a devout Christian? Well I'm glad at least someone is confused - that is my goal. I have a complete list of "Whom to Goof On" at home - it comes in a nice slipcase with its own magnifying glass, like those book-club versions of the OED - but from memory I recall that on second Tuesdays of months whose names are shorter than eight letters, people whose surnames appear on odd-numbered pages of the Manhattan telephone directory of 1983 are the proper target of "goofing on." (I seem to recall a clause whereby hunters are fair game if and only if both ducks and rabbits serially claim targeting and exemption for one another, respectively...but I think I'll defer to Cardinal here, since he's a lawyer.) But apparently the whole thing is now thrown into disarray - since in a move that out-PCs the PC crowd, JRT is now implying that any goofing on should proceed only after a rigid, grueling self-examination to determine whether any merest smidgen of said goofing on might possibly be interpretable in a way such that someone somewhere might catch a whiff of racism therefrom. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who now thinks he should leave work, go home, and rigidly self-examine. J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::flag on the moon...how'd it get there?:: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:26:29 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South But apparently the whole thing is now thrown into disarray - since in a move that out-PCs the PC crowd, JRT is now implying that any goofing on should proceed only after a rigid, grueling self-examination to determine whether any merest smidgen of said goofing on might possibly be interpretable in a way such that someone somewhere might catch a whiff of racism therefrom. >>>>>>>>>>. Or, as Jesus once said, "Goof not, lest ye be goofed upon by a white christian pornographer." I haven't had a chance to listen to Carolyn's recommendation (The Shins: Oh, Inverted World) enough yet to form an opinion, but man I had to walk all over town in order to find a copy. And it's on Sub Pop, which is pretty well distributed. So someone's snapping it up. Hey, did anyone see AI yet? I thought that there were *so* many problems with it, but I still got choked up several times. Despite being heavily flawed, it's probably the movie that I've enjoyed the most this year. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 14:54:12 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South In a message dated 7/2/01 10:31:24 AM, dana-boy@juno.com writes of other's complaints of my PC ways: << Or, as Jesus once said, "Goof not, lest ye be goofed upon by a white christian pornographer." >> Well, the problem hasn't been an issue of political correctness. I'd just like to see a more imaginative brand of snide hipster humor. That "athletes-thanking-God" rant dates back to the late 70's. And speaking of the horribly-dated, any NYC LoudLister who's really into Echo and the Bunnymen should contact me off-list. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:37:50 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South Well, the problem hasn't been an issue of political correctness. I'd just like to see a more imaginative brand of snide hipster humor. That "athletes-thanking-God" rant dates back to the late 70's. >>>>>>>>>> It is true that it's a somewhat old joke. I remember seeing a comic doing a version of it on MTV back in, oh I guess it was '89. His punch line was something like, "You never see a football player say, 'I was doing really well until *Jesus* made me fumble.'" I thought that that was a decent spin: there's nothing wrong with old jokes if you do them well. For example: Hey everyone, did you hear that J.R. Taylor has been really nervous lately? He heard that the fool-killer was on the loose!! Hee hee. That one gets me every time. Anyway, I thought that the whole conversation was pretty informative, as I had no idea that major league baseball had become such a religious place. That's good to hear, 'cause I was under the impression that the players spent all their time doing coke and cavorting with strippers. Or maybe that's basketball. Anyway, I'd like to see baseball resume it's place as a good, clean sport for clean cut, god fearing American boys, so this sounds like a good development. Did I ever mention that Jeff Torborg used to be the athletic director at my high school? He even autographed a baseball for me once, though I'm afraid that it's lost now. Imagine growing up a Cleveland Indians fan in the '70s, in New Jersey. No wonder I ended up on this list. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 15:59:35 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South Dana said: >Anyway, I thought that the whole conversation was pretty informative, as >I had no idea that major league baseball had become such a religious >place. That's good to hear, 'cause I was under the impression that the >players spent all their time doing coke and cavorting with strippers. Or >maybe that's basketball. Whoever said that they weren't both? Probably the most disgusting thing I've seen in sports this year was Jason Kidd's habit of blowing a kiss to his wife every time he stepped to the foul line. Was he trying to make sure we didn't forget that he was arrested for beating her? This has nothing to do with religion or strippers, but I felt like mentioning it. You might be surprised if you knew how many football coaches (at the college level) lead their teams in prayer sessions. Oh, and professional sports, as a whole, hasn't *become* a religious place. It's always been that way. Aaron n.p. Stone Harbour EMERGES (possibly the most ineptly recorded and performed album I've ever heard. Before the rerelease people were paying over 600 dollars for it!) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 13:18:58 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] lots o' fun at Finnegans Wake (125 release party) Looking through the last few days of loud-fans mail, all I have to say is "Ye gods, what a batch of noise pollution!!" If I wanted to hear the same five people riffing on the same topics over and over, I'd pull out my copy of TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS. So instead of ordering a takeout curry and waiting for this parade of keyboard (and bass, and guitar) wankery to stop, I'm going to knock Jon Anderson upside the head right in the middle of "The Revealing Science of (insert secular humanist equivalent for 'God')", and take over the loud-fans microphone for awhile. Does anyone want to hear about the 125 Records release party?? Since this list is still called "loud-fans" and many of our assembled masses was there on Saturday, I'm imagining that someone must. I think I knew half the people of the 100-or-so people in the nearly full house, so I'm not going to give a roll call for fear of leaving someone out, but needless to say, it was great to see everyone again, or for the first time. Here's the setlist for headliners "Scott Miller and friends". SCOTT & KENNY "solo" duet: Come Saturday Morning Where They Walk Over St. Therese Just Gone Total Mass Destruction Regenisraen Paranoid (Sabbath cover) WITH BAND (Bradley Skaught drums, Yuji Oniki guitar) Don't Respond, She Can Tell Inverness Metal And Glass Exact Motion of Ariel Curse of the Frontier Land Nice When I Want Something ENCORES: Finnegan's Wake (Scott solo) (an aborted "Don't Fear The Reaper") Couldn't I Just Tell You? For the first part of the show, Scott and Kenny were joined at various times by Anton Barbeau and their respective "old ladies" Kristine and Karen for extra vocals. The whacked-out cover of "Paranoid" could've been selected in deference to one of the co-owners of the 125 label. For the "band" part of the show, there were two guitars, bass, drums, and no keyboards, which gave the songs an entirely different flow than the recorded versions. I thought Bradley did a great job on drums and Yuji did a great job on second guitar and vocals, especially because Loud Family songs aren't that easy to play or sing. It was an interesting song selection too -- I'd never heard "Metal And Glass Exact" live before. After the set proper ended with "Nice When I Want Something" (with Bradley's ace version of Gil's fill), Scott came out for an encore and played Finnegan's Wake", a 19th century Irish street ballad from which the James Joyce book was named. He dedicated the song to Bob Lloyd, who wasn't there, and it sounded vaguely familiar, so I think I've got a version of that tune on a mixtape from the aforementioned Mr. Lloyd. Then the band came out and honored someone's request for "Godzilla" by playing half a verse of "Don't Fear The Reaper" before wrapping things up with Todd Rundgren's "Couldn't I Just Tell You?", a song that most of the band knew, and the rest could convincingly fake. The pre-Scott part of the evening, highlighting the two 125 releases Belle da Gama's GARDEN ABSTRACT and Anton Barbeau's ANTOLOGY 2 was also worthwhile, with Scott coming onstage to sing "Three Cornered Wold" with Bradley and BDG and "Third Eye" with Anton. Bradley risked the wrath of Smiths haters everywhere by starting his set with "Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before". The last Belle da Gama band show was nearly two years ago, and was a different lineup besides Bradley and Ian, so given that and the somewhat variable sound, it was a pretty good set. Of course Anton and his band were brilliant, like they always are, and judging from the feedback afterwards, won over a large portion of the crowd who weren't previously familiar with them. I've been trying fruitlessly to trumpet this guy's genius for nearly six years, so it thrills me to no end to see him getting some of the notoriety he deserves. Everyone who hasn't done so already should pick up both cds from 125records.com, and that's all I have to say about that. "Put down that papadam, Wakeman! It's time for the keyboard solo!" Disjointed but with purpose, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:41:18 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] And this ain't the Summer of Love, what's that got to do with anything? >n.p. Stone Harbour EMERGES (possibly the most ineptly recorded and performed >album I've ever heard. Before the rerelease people were paying over 600 >dollars for it!) See there you go, you're doing it again--now I have to hear this record! Information please. If the Shaggs, the Seeds, and Grand Funk Railroad are three corners of a triangle, along which axis might this ineptness best be said to lie? Hoping we can drag B.J. Snowden into it, Andy "On July 4 [1907] as the new Mr. and Mrs. Davis honeymooned on Squirrel Island in Maine, their hotel was forced to shut off the water supply for several hours. The couple had just had sex, and there was no water for Ruthie to use as a contraceptive douche. Harlow soared into a rage, harangued the hotel staff, and lashed out at his bride. When Ruthie missed her period a month later, Harlow found himself suffused with dread and fear." - --from MORE THAN A WOMAN: AN INTIMATE BIOGRAPHY OF BETTE DAVIS, by James Spada. Ruth Elizabeth Davis, nicknamed "Bette," emerged into the world on April 5, 1908--nine months and one day after that fateful Fourth. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:20:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] lots o' fun at Finnegans Wake (125 release party) On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > ENCORES: > Finnegan's Wake (Scott solo) > > After the set proper ended with "Nice When I Want Something" (with > Bradley's ace version of Gil's fill), Scott came out for an encore and > played Finnegan's Wake", a 19th century Irish street ballad from which > the James Joyce book was named. He dedicated the song to Bob Lloyd, who > wasn't there, and it sounded vaguely familiar, so I think I've got a > version of that tune on a mixtape from the aforementioned Mr. Lloyd. This is very peculiar - because where was I Saturday night but at a local Irish bar, and the performer *there* did a version of "Finnegan's Wake" (per request of my friend Tim), and I was thinking of heading a post the next day "welt the floor with a trotter's shake" because, without knowing what the hell that means (it's a line from the song's chorus), it struck me as an intriguing piece of non-nonsense... > Everyone who hasn't done so already should pick up both cds from > 125records.com, and that's all I have to say about that. And this is indisputably correct. Yes, I have no argument whatsoever to present against this statement, for those of you who thought that's all I could do. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, weaving his web face to face with the shallow J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:51:08 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South In a message dated 7/2/01 4:05:37 PM, amilenski@hotmail.com writes: >Probably the most disgusting thing I've seen in sports this year was Jason > >Kidd's habit of blowing a kiss to his wife every time he stepped to the >foul >line. Was he trying to make sure we didn't forget that he was arrested >for >beating her? Listen, y'all, I can take a lot of this bullshit from you guys, but if you're going to start ragging on wifebeaters, I'll go ballistic..... And -- in case you haven't invoked this before -- being arrested doesn't mean anything. [did he plead out?] that whole "innocent apres guilty" thing ..... and JeFF -- no need to call me a lawyer; I thought we'd patched things up 'twixt us. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 01:07:28 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: [loud-fans] New Liz Phair I know there are a few Liz Phair fans on the list, so I thought this might be worth mentioning. Someone from the Liz list posted a link to a video for a new song called "Down." They got the link from the Matador Bulletin Board, where someone had posted it; so far, no one's sure if this song is one of the ones from her new album or one of her contributions to the upcoming Julie Johnson soundtrack. It's definitely something new, though; at the end of the video there's a "Copyright 2001 Capitol Records" notation. If you have a high-speed connection, I recommend choosing the QuickTime 400 kbps option. The quality is really quite good. Anyway, here's the link: http://www.thedirectorsbureau.com/archive_vault/ascher/archpop_ra_mvid.asp# Cheers, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 23:21:26 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] lots o' fun at Finnegans Wake (125 release party) >and I was thinking of heading a post the >next day "welt the floor with a trotter's shake" because, without knowing >what the hell that means (it's a line from the song's chorus), it struck >me as an intriguing piece of non-nonsense... I learned it as "round the floor your trotters shake," i.e., "get down tonight." But I like your version better. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 00:43:43 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] lots o' fun at Finnegans Wake (125 release party) Thanks for the write-up, Steve! I would've said something sooner if I had gotten back to Denver before today. It really was a great time, and I had fun meeting some LoudFans I've never met before (like Doug Stanley, Dan Vallor, Elizabeth Setler), as well as getting together with the hoards I have met before. Special thanks to the intrepid Sarah Gordon for her late night taxi service way above and beyond the call of duty. And to Matthew Weber for organizing the pre-show dinner, even if his directions (though correct) confused me. Sorry we were so late! Joe & Sue put on a great record release party, and are also pretty darn good at the taxi service and hospitality thing themselves. If you haven't bought the 125 Records releases yet, please go do so now. You won't be disappointed. Brianna makes excellent decadent green liquid substances and also lives in one of the most unique houses I've ever been in. And she has a nice bird. Her Tiki Party was a lot of fun. I took some photos at the show and hope to have them developed and uploaded soon, assuming they came out okay. Unfortunately, my attempts to get a LoudFan group photo shot together after the show failed miserably, so mostly the pix are of the bands. We did go a group photo at Brianna's party the next evening, but the group was somewhat smaller at that point. At Monday 7/2/2001 01:18 PM -0700, Steve Holtebeck wrote: >Then the band came out and honored someone's request for "Godzilla" by >playing half a verse of "Don't Fear The Reaper" ...sung as "Don't Fear The Chord Change". I especially enjoyed Scott calling for "more cowbell!" at the end. (Speaking of, I just got the BOC reissues today but have not listened to them yet. I notice that the bonus demo version of "Reaper" on AGENTS OF FORTUNE is annotated as the "No Cowbell" version. Since Bruce Dickinson is credited as being in charge of the remastering, I'm not surprised. For those of you who don't know what the hell I'm talking about, the cowbell thing is a reference to a now-infamous BOC "Behind the Music" Saturday Night Live sketch from a couple of years ago with Christopher Walken as Bruce Dickinson.) >Of course Anton and his band were brilliant, like they always are, and >judging from the feedback afterwards, won over a large portion of the >crowd who weren't previously familiar with them. All the bands were great, but I gotta admit that Anton is a total madman. He can sure work the crowd. And I was so proud of Our Bradley playing drums behind Scott, especially since he had to deal with some particularly difficult songs. He pulled it off very well. To me, the Scott/Kenny & friends set was a Loud Family show, especially since I finally got to see a Scott-led band perform songs from AN. That was really nice after not having caught any of the shows on the last tour. That's Entertainment. Later. --Rog (I Can't Drive 55) - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #148 *******************************