From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #146 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, July 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 146 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Attempting Balance- mix review ["richblath" ] Re: [loud-fans] Narnia [triggercut ] [loud-fans] Re: j4j [steve ] [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] recommendation [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 01:46:16 +0100 From: "richblath" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Attempting Balance- mix review - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Tucker" To: ; Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Attempting Balance- mix review > >The surprise of the night for me was Steve Wynn. Some fine, simple songs, > >done well (rockin' throughout). Bought the latest CD on the spot, and have > >enjoyed it since. > > It would be hard for me to say which show I enjoyed most. I've been a Steve > Wynn/Dream Syndicate fan for a long time. I think his latest solo effort, > HERE COME THE MIRACLES, could be his best yet. the most Dream Syndicate like > album he's done in quite some time with a healthy dose of that mid 70's Neil > Young/Crazy Horse. I know I've been listening to the new album a *LOT*. On > this tour as an opener supposedly Steve was trying to compress his typical 2 > hr European shows and that energy into the 1 hour opening slot. I think he > succeeded. > > >And the drummer kicks ass. > > That would be Linda Pitmon, and she was certainly amazing. I was exhausted > after an hour of just *watching* her play. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong > (I usually am) but isn't she Steve's wife/girlfriend? > > -Larry I saw Steve & Co at the end of their latest European jaunt at the Borderline in London. It was a bit of an audience watching session, Sid Griffin and Marty Willson-Piper among those present, but the show, as ever was brilliant. This time around they played mostly new stuff- in fact almost all of Here Come the Miracles. They also added in a couple of oldies like Burn and a version of Boston that just started with Steve on stage alone until the reappearance of the band for the final section. I'd dragged along a mate who'd not been following Steve's career, despite my hopeful promptings, and he was of the opinion that it was well worth the that sleep deprivation that followed a 3 am return home followed by a 7:30 start for work. And yes, Linda Pitmon rocks! I've seen her in Steve's band a couple of times now and the rhythm section is always really tight and tracks like Death Valley Rain from HCTM really take off. Richard np Pernice Brothers - The World Won't End (another early runner for album of the year- I can see it being a tough decision in this year's poll!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:43:36 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Narnia, coupon I've actually been thinking about C.S. Lewis a lot lately. It seems that everytime I walk down the street in my new neighborhood, someone hands me a Jews for Jesus pamphlet (Shari and I probably represent a large percentage of the white, non-Orthodox, population in our neighborhood) and the one that I've been getting lately relies heavily on quotes from Mr. Lewis. Anyone know if he had any specific view on the J4J thing? I'm prettly clueless about (and not tremendously interested in) the whole shebang, but I was struck by the pamphlets because they were much better written than the usual things that get handed to me on the street. [in the interest of not starting any theological arguments, I just want to clarify that I'm only wondering if Lewis was involved with J4J -- or if that's even chronologically possible]. Half.com, which often has great deals on CDs is offering a coupon, good until June 30th, for $10 off of an order of $50 or more. On the whole I've had good luck with the site, with one exception, and they promptly refunded my money in that case (some deadbeat never shipped me my CD). As their instructions say: When you check out at Half.com, simply enter the coupon code FREEDOM66 in your shopping cart. Your savings will automatically be subtracted from your order. - --dana np: The Cuff Links -- s/t, featuring a very nice cover of Stewart's favorite song. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 12:15:26 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Narnia On the subject of reading order... Check this link out. http://www.aslan.demon.co.uk/narnia.htm It's a very good argument from both sides on the reading order of the Chronicles of Narnia. I have some personal experience with this one, too. I received the boxed set of the Chronicles for Christmas in 1978--it was some sort of big deal then, I believe the first published version of the books in the States in a long, long, time. At that point, the US Publisher had the books numbered in their publication order. My older brother, who gave me the set and was soon-to-be an ordained Lutheran minister, also included a copy of a CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR literary review of the series that posited even more evidence that Lewis, who had no idea he was going to write a complete set of Narnia books when he started, thought that reading them chronologically might be best when he finished writing them. My own experience? I read them chronologically, not by publshed date. I was ll years old, for cripes sake. Reading the books in that order worked just fine for me. Looking back, if I were to re-read them now as an adult, I'd probably do them in published order, simply because I'd be able to handle it from a comprehension level. For an 11 year old, chronological order seems to be the right way to go--the story follows a beginning, middle, and end, and if you're going to ask a little kid to tackle 7 books with little print on his own, it'll make that person more likely to keep going. For an adult, maybe the published order, since an understanding of in medias res is quite a bit easier by a grownup mind more familiar with that concept. I do remember when I finished reading the set as a kid, looking the books over and thinking that anyone who read them in the published order was just stupid for doing so. ...as a final "related to nothing, but I'll share" aside, the gift of the books that Christmas from my brother was a nice symbolic gesture. He lived at home when he attended Seminary, living in his own room in the basement of my parent's house. My mother would always read to me at bedtime at that age, and we progressed from Winnie-the-Pooh to the Grimm's Fairy Tales as I grew older. Finally, having exhausted the Brothers G, my older sibling suggested THE HOBBIT, which Mom read to me, one chapter a night, through it's conclusion. My six-year-old mind was hooked, so I forced Mom to read me the entirety of my brother's Lord of the Rings books--aloud, in the same fashion. That was pretty damn cool of her to do; guess I'll have to re-read them before the movie comes out this December. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:18:12 -0500 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] Re: j4j On Saturday, June 30, 2001, at 10:43 AM, Dana L Paoli wrote: > I just want to clarify that I'm only wondering if Lewis was involved with > J4J > -- or if that's even chronologically possible]. __________ > Actually, "Jews for Jesus" began as a slogan. In the late 1960s a moving > of the Holy Spirit brought thousands of cause-oriented young people to > faith in Jesus, many of whom were Jewish. As for our organization, Moishe > Rosen officially founded Jews for Jesus in September of 1973. http://www.christianity.com/jewsforjesus/ There might be something about j4j here - http://www.watchman.org/cat95.htm - - Steve __________ "we must therefore reject the central animating idea of modern Establishment Clause analysis: that taxpayers have a constitutional right to insist that none of their taxes be used for religious purposes." - Michael McConnell, Bush Circuit Court nominee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:40:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths I've been watching more baseball this season, for some reason (partially because of Rose's job: she's with the sports & recreation unit of the architecture firm she works for, although she mostly handles YMCAs and such), and I've noticed something that seems peculiar to me: When I was a kid and watched a lot of baseball, there were your home uniforms (generally lighter in color) and there were your road uniforms (this was the late sixties/early seventies - so garish neon heart-attack in color). Now it seems that teams just mix it up: one home game, the home team will have its lighter-colored uniforms on; the next home game, they'll be wearing the darker-colored (and the other team switches to contrast). What's up with that? Do laundromats charge extra to remove chewing-tobacco and spit stains? Oh yeah: new most annoying sports gesture (new to me): that thing some players do after scoring, driving in a run, or making a great catch where they look heavenward and gesture with their index finger - as if to say, "Credit God for this one." Uh-huh...and when they strike out or boot an easily playable grounder, do they look downwards and extend an index finger that way? ("Sorry 'bout that...lost the ball in the hellfires.") - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, not wishing to restart any religious thread but pretty sure that God doesn't have a favorite baseball team or player J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:57:57 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Oh yeah: new most annoying sports gesture (new to me): that thing some > players do after scoring, driving in a run, or making a great catch where > they look heavenward and gesture with their index finger - as if to say, > "Credit God for this one." Uh-huh...and when they strike out or boot an > easily playable grounder, do they look downwards and extend an index > finger that way? ("Sorry 'bout that...lost the ball in the hellfires.") Most of the players who do this sort of thing are Hispanics who are not US nationals, and to many of them religious gestures are very important and part of their culture. When they do something well, they thank God for giving them that ability, and remind themselves that, in their belieg system, it is God who has given them that ability. I'm not sure why it's annoying to you, unless you are reading it as some sort of insincere display. When they strike out or boot a ball, I'm sure it is themselves they blame, not Satan. Perhaps there are other players who have adopted this gesture, but it is likely motivated by the same beliefs and desire to connect spirituality to their occupation. And doing such a thing publicly, knowing a lot of people will see it, is probably a witnessing tool for many players, a way of saying that, yes, they do believe in God and are not ashamed to show it, and that perhaps that will inspire their fans to look into spiritual matters as well. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 15:19:21 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths Mighty JeFFrey at the plate: Now it seems that teams just mix it up: one home game, the home >team will have its lighter-colored uniforms on; the next home game, >they'll be wearing the darker-colored (and the other team switches to >contrast). > >What's up with that? The answer, as usual, is "financial considerations." It's not quite how you say. From pretty early on, the tradition was for home team to wear white, road players gray. It's still like that today--the difference being that most teams now have two or three different version of each. They do this to have more official team merchandise. Take the Mets, for example: they have three home "white" uniforms: their traditional pinstripes on white, royal blue cap with orange trim; solid white with blue piping and black cap with blue visor; and black jerseys with solid white trousers and all black cap. They have both traditional road grays and a black jersey/gray pants scheme. Sometimes they will mismatch the caps, giving what I recall one of their announcers said was something like 20 different possible combinations. > Do laundromats charge extra to remove chewing-tobacco >and spit stains? I shan't sleep until I know the answer... >Oh yeah: new most annoying sports gesture (new to me): that thing some >players do after scoring, driving in a run, or making a great catch where >they look heavenward and gesture with their index finger - as if to say, >"Credit God for this one." Uh-huh...and when they strike out or boot an >easily playable grounder, do they look downwards and extend an index >finger that way? I just don't have a problem with this. Jeff echoes a thought I've heard expressed countless times, but I think it's an unfair projection. I find the gesture refreshingly humble--giving thanks for commonplace daily fortunes is a tenet of virtually every religion I can think of. I kind of like it. Don't you prefer it to end-zone-goose-step-preening and post-dunk-rim-swinging-and-chest-beating? JS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:23:29 -0500 From: "triggercut" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths You see plenty of configurations nowadays. Most teams still have default home/road uniforms. As a matter of fact, road uni's are pretty consistent. At home, though, teams may wear either their whites, or a solid color. Many teams also have a "Sunday Home" uniform, which is worn for home sunday day games. F'rinstance, my beloved Cardinals wear a Sunday cap that blasphemously replaces the beautiful "STL" logo with the "bird on the bat" from the uniform shirt. The reason for multiple home uniforms? Hey, if you're a fan, you gotta buy 'em all, right? At least that's the idea--it sells more merch. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "Bucky...Firewoman...and John Cameron Swayze...." Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths > I've been watching more baseball this season, for some reason (partially > because of Rose's job: she's with the sports & recreation unit of the > architecture firm she works for, although she mostly handles YMCAs and > such), and I've noticed something that seems peculiar to me: > > When I was a kid and watched a lot of baseball, there were your home > uniforms (generally lighter in color) and there were your road uniforms > (this was the late sixties/early seventies - so garish neon heart-attack > in color). Now it seems that teams just mix it up: one home game, the home > team will have its lighter-colored uniforms on; the next home game, > they'll be wearing the darker-colored (and the other team switches to > contrast). > > What's up with that? Do laundromats charge extra to remove chewing-tobacco > and spit stains? > > Oh yeah: new most annoying sports gesture (new to me): that thing some > players do after scoring, driving in a run, or making a great catch where > they look heavenward and gesture with their index finger - as if to say, > "Credit God for this one." Uh-huh...and when they strike out or boot an > easily playable grounder, do they look downwards and extend an index > finger that way? ("Sorry 'bout that...lost the ball in the hellfires.") > > --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, not wishing to restart any religious thread > but pretty sure that God doesn't have a favorite baseball team or player > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? > __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 16:59:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, John Sharples wrote: > >Oh yeah: new most annoying sports gesture (new to me): that thing some > >players do after scoring, driving in a run, or making a great catch where > >they look heavenward and gesture with their index finger - as if to say, > >"Credit God for this one." Uh-huh...and when they strike out or boot an > >easily playable grounder, do they look downwards and extend an index > >finger that way? > > I just don't have a problem with this. Jeff echoes a thought I've heard > expressed countless times, but I think it's an unfair projection. I find > the gesture refreshingly humble--giving thanks for commonplace daily > fortunes is a tenet of virtually every religion I can think of. I kind of > like it. > > Don't you prefer it to end-zone-goose-step-preening and > post-dunk-rim-swinging-and-chest-beating? Yes. (But then, other than the NBA playoffs, I don't watch much football or basketball.) I hadn't really thought of it as a private gesture rendered publicly - instead, I'd thought of it as another sort of "look at me, I'm in good with God" gesture of self-publicizing. I think I'm sort of connecting it with this sort of thing that I run into fairly often. Woman I work with is chatting with a cow-orker about a friend of hers, whose family had decided at the last minute not to take a particular flight. You can guess: the plane crashed, or was at least seriously delayed in a way to cause major inconvenience. The woman says to the other co-worker, "I guess God was looking out for them that day." To which I'm thinking, "Yep - and he surely had it in for the folks who did crash, didn't he." These aren't that comparable: in the baseball example, what's going on is a mere gesture of thanks (although I still don't think God has any interest in whether ballplayers play well or not), which at least would seem appropriate in the abstract, i.e., their talent is regarded as a gift. But in the other...I don't see a way around the problem that if you think so-and-so was "saved" via divine intervention, the other folks were not. (For my amusement, I'm imagining a movie scene in which an aggrieved relative of a plane-crash victim overhears this sort of sanctimony and starts a fistfight on the grounds that how dare anyone imply *his* relatives were less than godly.) But now we're verging on a whole religious debate, about the notion of intervention, the efficacy of prayer, miracles, etc. Please don't start - I disclaim all responsibility. I wasn't aware of the cultural consideration (that Jenny brought up: that most of the players who do this are Hispanic). - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, thanking Miles for bringing the Gott/Teufel pitcher/batter confrontation to my attention, but still wondering if there are any NHL players named "Jesus" to go against that Satan player... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:53:36 -0700 From: Carolyn Dorsey Subject: [loud-fans] recommendation Oh Inverted World by The Shins A wonderful record in my opinion. I love it. Great pop songs, some songs remind me of early Who, but it's not retro sounding at all. Every song is good, I don't think most people on this list would be disappointed in this record. Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 17:18:01 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] recommendation At 06:53 PM 6/30/01 -0700, Carolyn Dorsey wrote: >Oh Inverted World by The Shins > >A wonderful record in my opinion. I love it. Ditto. I've been hyping these guys since they were called Flake, but I did not expect this album to be as terrific as it is (The Flake and Flakemusic albums were not anywhere near as good as the band was live). Carolyn mentioned the early Who, but other people have mentioned Brian Wilson, the Apples in Stereo and (my take) a younger Guided By Voices with less of a desire to rawk out and a better internal editor. Stewart NP: SECRET BOX (disc two) -- The Chills ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 16:25:31 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths >Don't you prefer it to end-zone-goose-step-preening and >post-dunk-rim-swinging-and-chest-beating? Ahhhhh...God bless the San Diego Chicken! Says here he got sued by Barney?!?!... Andy NEW YORK - Where were you, if you were anywhere, Sept. 24, 1957, when the last major-league game was played in Brooklyn? The Dodgers beat the Pittsburgh Pirates that day, and the next ball at Ebbets Field was a wrecking ball. Louie Dallojacono was there. That's Dallojacono, pronounced any way you can. Last night, at the corner of Surf Ave. and Dreams, Louie was back in a Brooklyn ballpark. And dragging the same drum he first began beating in 1936 as an original member of the noisy music-makers known as the Dodgers Sym-Phony. Louie is 83. Brooklyn's new team, the Cyclones, is a few days old. Last night, the borough that never got over losing the Dodgers celebrated the return of professional baseball with the Cyclones' home opener. They beat the Mahoning Valley (Ohio) Scrappers in the first pro game in Brooklyn in almost 44 years. Brooklyn fans, used to having their hearts broken, cheered as the Cyclones rallied for a 3-2 win in 10 innings before a sold-out crowd of 6,500. The Cyclones are a Class A team in the New York-Penn League, the lowest rung on baseball's professional ladder. They will play 38 games at a $39 million stadium at Coney Island. The boardwalk and ocean are just behind the outfield fence. The old Parachute Jump is a long foul ball to right. The Wonder Wheel and the Cyclone roller coaster are outside the left-field wall. Joe Pignatano, a Brooklyn native who caught the final few innings of the last Dodger game in Brooklyn, was part of the first-pitch ceremony last night. So was Ralph Branca, who is remembered for throwing a certain pitch to Bobby Thomson of the New York Giants. New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, influential in getting the ballpark built, threw out the first pitch. "Having come to Coney Island from the time I was 2 years old with my grandmother, it's wonderful to see the ballpark here," Giuliani said. "I can't tell you how much this means to New York City." Thousands, including many Little League ballplayers, joined Giuliani, Mets owner Fred Wilpon and his son, Cyclones CEO Jeff Wilpon, in a pregame parade, from the Coney Island Aquarium to the stadium. The route was a throwback to the days when a post-Labor Day parade helped extend the summer season for beach businesses. "I'm very happy," Fred Wilpon said last night. "I just watched four (Mets) games at Shea and I was very unhappy." The Cyclones' logo is a curlicued B reminiscent of the Dodgers' old symbol, intertwined with an ornate C. The team is named for the old-fashioned wooden roller coaster, the Cyclone, that clatters, soars and dips beyond left field. But in that great Brooklyn tradition of giving every newcomer a New York nickname, the Cyclones already have three: Da Brooks, Da 'Clones and Da Psychos. (The Dodgers, of course, were Dem Bums.) Much of the new team's appeal is linked to the Dodgers, who were moved by owner Walter O'Malley to Los Angeles. In a list once compiled by a couple of the city's newspaper columnists, O'Malley was ranked with Hitler and Stalin as one of the 10 worst men who ever lived. "It's a great thing to have baseball back in Brooklyn," said borough resident Lou Massato, munching on a hot dog before the game. "Since the Dodgers left, everybody wanted baseball back here." [--story credited to "By New York Daily News and The Associated Press" from the Seattle Times, June 26, 2001] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 19:23:16 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths On Saturday, June 30, 2001, at 04:59 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I wasn't aware of the cultural consideration (that Jenny brought up: that > most of the players who do this are Hispanic). Might this be the beginning of a new baseball statistic? - - Steve __________ The far right wants to turn back the clock to the days not only before legal and safe abortion but even before birth control pills, which they claim are a kind of abortion. This action by President Bush is the first major and dangerous step down that road. - Ralph Neas, on Bush's proposal that federal workers not get a full range of contraceptive options ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:50:40 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball intheir youths steve wrote: > > On Saturday, June 30, 2001, at 04:59 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > I wasn't aware of the cultural consideration (that Jenny brought up: that > > most of the players who do this are Hispanic). > > Might this be the beginning of a new baseball statistic? it probably already is. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 01:35:18 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South Living in MD will take some getting used to. It is listed on most maps as a "Southern" state, but I beg to differ. The people drive about 15-20 miles an hour above the posted limits, which are nothing more than tax dollars wasted on signs. There are signs everywhere that read, "speed limits enforced by aircraft." MY ASS!!! This trucker flashed his lights in my rear view mirror to go faster one time, and I was doing the speed limit of 55. I just waved at him in my rear view mirror, which is my way of saying, "bite me." I don't like to drive fast, and I'll be damned if I'll be forced into doing it, by some jackass hepped up on speed in an eighteen wheeler. I'd have a hard time keeping up in my new Suzuki, anyway. It is designed for MPG, not speed. They scare the **** out of me the way they drive. Also, most of the people it seems tend to be kind of pushy and whiny with a "Just what I need, you and your (fill in the blank here)" attitude. Not attractive. And, no sweet iced tea to be found ANYWHERE. What is up with that??? If you add sugar or artificial sweetener to unsweetened iced tea it is too cold to dissolve it. How lame. Didn't these people take physical science? I figured that this e-mail is karmic payback to all the Yankees who move down here and complain about everything. If it weren't for a good salary (they actually PAY their teachers a livable wage) and bands coming through neighboring Arlington and Baltimore, I'd have no interest to live there at all. I wish I could live in middle or southern VA. It is freaking gorgeous driving, until you reach the eyesore of upper VA, and the death defying nightmare that is I-95. If only they'd slow down, 86 the pushiness and whininess, and use a little sugar... - -Mark np LF "Interbabe Concern" p.s. the new Pernice Brothers is fantastic ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 00:47:02 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South popanda@juno.com wrote: > > Living in MD will take some getting used to. It is listed on most maps > as a "Southern" state, but I beg to differ. The people drive about 15-20 > miles an hour above the posted limits, which are nothing more than tax > dollars wasted on signs. and this differs from atlanta and birmingham exactly how? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:51:17 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] query for those who played a lot of baseball in their youths In a message dated 6/30/01 6:05:57 PM, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: >But now we're verging on a whole religious debate, about the notion of >intervention, the efficacy of prayer, miracles, etc. Please don't start >- >I disclaim all responsibility. Well, with you and sharples getting started, I feel I *must* jump in..... I'm pretty sure the gestures are genuine, and are actually knowing. As those guys on the field are quite aware, God was ignoring the pleas of my friend Bob Soffer, who asked that his newborn daughter be spared from the hole in her heart -- God had to make sure sure that Jeff Kent could poke one into right to enable Bonds to plate an insurance run. Of course, who am I to talk? After every delightful opportunity for cunnilingus, I point my finger skyward and acknowledge that that was God, not me ........ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:54:31 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South In a message dated 7/1/01 12:38:18 AM, popanda@juno.com writes: >This trucker flashed his lights >in my rear view mirror to go faster one time, and I was doing the speed >limit of 55. I just waved at him in my rear view mirror, which is my way >of saying, "bite me." I don't like to drive fast, and I'll be damned if >I'll be forced into doing it, by some jackass hepped up on speed in an >eighteen wheeler. I'd have a hard time keeping up in my new Suzuki, >anyway. It is designed for MPG, not speed. I trust you weren't in the inner lane. That jackass may be delivering the latest John Lennon release. Due on Tuesday....... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:06:54 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South >That jackass may be delivering the latest John Lennon release. Due on >Tuesday....... Ah, who's channeling him this time? Thinking Richard Youngs would be good for the seance, anyway, Andy "In the wake of recent evidence suggesting that Mozart was killed by trichinosis contracted from a poorly cooked sausage and not, in fact, by heartbreak or poverty, the romance of an emotion like want may seem outmoded." - --Traci Vogel, from her review of WANT, A.J. Rathburn's recently published book of poetry, http://www.thestranger.com/current/book_revue.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 00:31:22 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South A friend who moved to the Research Corner in North Carolina a few years ago noted the same thing about slow-driving southerners. As he put it, "Now I understand why NASCAR is so huge down here; people are just fascinated by the idea of someone going somewhere fast in a car..." My advice? Stay off the interstates and stay in the rightmost lanes whenever possible. You're driving your fellow commuters crazy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 01:08:22 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Narnia, coupon > I've actually been thinking about C.S. Lewis a lot lately. It seems that > everytime I walk down the street in my new neighborhood, someone hands me > a Jews for Jesus pamphlet (Shari and I probably represent a large > percentage of the white, non-Orthodox, population in our neighborhood) > and the one that I've been getting lately relies heavily on quotes from > Mr. Lewis. Anyone know if he had any specific view on the J4J thing? > I'm prettly clueless about (and not tremendously interested in) the whole > shebang, but I was struck by the pamphlets because they were much better > written than the usual things that get handed to me on the street. [in > the interest of not starting any theological arguments, I just want to > clarify that I'm only wondering if Lewis was involved with J4J -- or if > that's even chronologically possible]. Lewis died in 1963, so he had no affiliation with Jews for Jesus. But he was one of the most intelligent and well-known of Christian apologists, so it's not surprising to see his work pop up in different Christian contexts. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 01:14:00 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Maryland AIN'T the South On Sunday, July 1, 2001, at 12:35 AM, popanda@juno.com wrote: > And, no sweet iced tea to be found ANYWHERE. What is up with that??? > If you add sugar or artificial sweetener to unsweetened iced tea it is too > cold to dissolve it. How lame. Didn't these people take physical > science? Dump in six packets of sugar and stir like hell - who cares if there's some left in the bottom of the glass when you're done. Not that I drink the stuff myself, I'd rather have a fountain Dr. Pepper (heavy on the syrup, please). > (they actually PAY their teachers a livable wage) This is due to the former poor pay and the continuing baby boomlet. Lots of teachers went to the private sector to make more money. The resulting teacher shortage caused the starting salary around here to go from $24,000 to $36,000 a year. The local district is thrilled to have filled all their positions for next year. But they're still having to build lots of new schools. - - Steve __________ At the center of this Bush foreign policy is a dim view of the American people, as a population that doesn't want to think much about the rest of the world and cares only about maintaining a comfortable lifestyle with adequate supplies of cheap gasoline. Bush has dressed up this promotion of national self-interest by calling his approach a defense of "the American way of life." - Sam Parry ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #146 *******************************