From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #144 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, June 29 2001 Volume 01 : Number 144 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] I'm Waiting for the Dave (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] RE: [loud-fans] an article about people we know [bbradley@namesecure.com] RE: [loud-fans] an article about people we know [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] Tape swap review [Elizabeth Setler ] FW: [loud-fans] an article about people we know [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] Tape swap review [Michael Bowen ] [loud-fans] Napster: Why Self Interest Will Always End Badly ["Vallor" ] Re: [loud-fans] Tape swap review ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] CD review: California Dreaming ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] CD review: California Dreaming [Aaron Mandel Subject: [loud-fans] I'm Waiting for the Dave (ns) Brian Wilson is on David Letterman tonight. Rerun? Dunno. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:59:28 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I'm Waiting for the Dave (ns) On Thursday, June 28, 2001, at 08:00 AM, Dana L Paoli wrote: > Brian Wilson is on David Letterman tonight. Rerun? Dunno. And this woudl be a good thing? But I am looking forward to the 4th of July show. - - Steve __________ It's widely expected that when Congress renews the 1996 welfare law next year, social conservatives will press to earmark millions of dollars for marriage education, require states to end some income tests that discourage parents from getting married, and reward single mothers with cash bonuses if they marry the child's father. - Mary Leonard, Boston Globe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 9:52:10 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] an article about people we know What are YOU doing this Saturday night. This is where I will be: http://www.contracostatimes.com/timeout/leads/stories_one/x28recordlabel_20010628.htm Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:10:31 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] an article about people we know At 09:52 AM 6/28/01 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >What are YOU doing this Saturday night. This is where I will be: > >http://www.contracostatimes.com/timeout/leads/stories_one/x28recordlabel_20010628.htm > >Later. --Rog So are there pre-show plans in the offing? Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Do justice, that you may live long upon earth. Calm the weeper, do not oppress the widow, do not oust a man from his father's property, do not degrade magnates from their seats. Beware of punishing wrongfully; do not kill, for it will not profit you. _The Teaching for Merikare_ (c. 2135-2040 B.C.), Par. 8 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:06:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Go see The New Pornographers live! If The New Pornographers play anywhere near you, go see them! They put on a great show! Neko Case - what a voice! If you're on this list, you will like this band. Mass marketing romantic, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:08:52 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] Tape swap review Okay, actually, it's a CD, from a member of the Canadian team, Jason Long, whose tape a few months ago was a favorite of mine. Anyway: "Lilybelle" -- The Geraldine Fibbers I've never investigated these guys, largely because of their lame-ass name, but I kinda like this song, a heavily orchestrated tune with a really nice extended intro. It loses me when the singer goes into the "look ma, I'm emoting!" section, however. Other than that, though, pretty cool. Is this representative? "Spain" -- Kristin Hersh I've always really liked her voice, although I still like the early Throwing Muses records more than anything she's done since. This kind of reminds me of those early records in the way it makes a totally unexpected left turn about halfway through. Good stuff. "Disconnected" -- Veruca Salt Funny, I remember not much liking this on the album, but out of context, it works. It's particularly nice following the Kristin Hersh. "Like A Girl Jesus" -- The Killjoys I like the Sleepyhead version better. How many covers are there of this song, anyway? "King of All the World" -- Old 97s This is getting a lot of airplay on KBAC right now. I should buy the new album. Why have all the alt.country bands gone power pop? These guys, the Jayhawks, Wilco... "Charm Attack" -- Leona Naess Wow, this is quite good, kind of like what would happen if Aimee Mann and Michael Penn tried to write a deliberately commercial pop song. Could stand to be about a minute shorter, though. I'd heard about her, but I assumed that the daughter of Diana Ross' ex-husband would probably suck by association. How's the rest of the album? "Deceptacon" -- Le Tigre Kathleen Hanna's post-Bikini Kill project, which I hadn't heard. I hadn't expected this to sound so completely retro, as if it came out on Rough Trade in 1980. Actually, it sounds like she's ripping off the Rondelles. Long stretch of songs I know and love: "Oh Bondage Up Yours" -- X Ray Spex "The Whole World Lost Its Head" -- The Go-Go's "Ever Fallen in Love" -- Buzzcocks "Willing To Wait" -- Sebadoh "Dreaming" -- Blondie "So Fast, So Numb" -- R.E.M. Nope, still don't like this album. "Weakened State" -- Sarah Harmer I swear this name sounds familiar, but I know I don't have this. Did she used to be in a band or something? This is really good, though--reminds me of Merrie Amsterburg a bit, or maybe Jen Trynin. "Little Lighthouse" -- The Dukes of Stratosphear This album, on the other hand, I still love. "Meaningless" -- Jon Brion I know I really like him, I don't know why I haven't bothered to pick up this album yet. This is one of my favorite songs on the disc. "Jenny and the Ess-Dog" -- Stephen Malkmus Catchy enough, amusing lyrics, but slightly underwhelming. "Every Breath" -- Tracy Bonham Eh. "The Sound of Fear" -- Eels Another one that's gotten a lot of KBAC airplay. I have this record, but I'm not entirely certain where it is. Somewhere on my desk, I think. "Wave of Mutilation (UK Surf)" -- Pixies Always liked the album version much more. It obscures how lame the lyrics are. "If I Can't Change Your Mind" -- Sugar "She Will Have Her Way" -- Neil Finn Two more old faves to close. Thanks for the enjoyable-as-always disc, Jason! S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:09:09 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] an article about people we know hm.... ed and i might be up for some dinner or something.... i'm not too familiar with restaurants down that way, except for Garibladi's, an excellent (and priced that way) place on college which will likely be packed on a saturday. they take reservations, tho - if anyone wants super good food and doesn't mind paying the price, we could do that... menu here: http://garibaldisoc.citysearch.com/1.html - -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Weber To: imprimatur of approval Sent: 6/28/01 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] an article about people we know At 09:52 AM 6/28/01 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >What are YOU doing this Saturday night. This is where I will be: > >http://www.contracostatimes.com/timeout/leads/stories_one/x28recordlabe l_20010628.htm > >Later. --Rog So are there pre-show plans in the offing? Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Do justice, that you may live long upon earth. Calm the weeper, do not oppress the widow, do not oust a man from his father's property, do not degrade magnates from their seats. Beware of punishing wrongfully; do not kill, for it will not profit you. _The Teaching for Merikare_ (c. 2135-2040 B.C.), Par. 8 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:25:26 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: RE: [loud-fans] an article about people we know At 11:09 AM 6/28/01 -0700, bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: > hm.... ed and i might be up for some dinner or something.... i'm not > too familiar with restaurants down that way, except for Garibladi's, an > excellent (and priced that way) place on college which will likely be > packed on a saturday. they take reservations, tho - if anyone wants > super good food and doesn't mind paying the price, we could do that... > >menu here: >http://garibaldisoc.citysearch.com/1.html > Let's see...at College & Ashby there's La Mediteranee (Mediterranean stuff, kefta kebab & the like); Jin Ling (Chinese, good); Shen Hua (Chinese, good but very noisy); Holy Land (falafel & so on, cheap); Trattoria Siciliana (Sicilian, good, a little pricey); Locanda Olmo (Tuscan, I think, really good and also a little pricey); another Chinese place whose name I don't remember. Telegraph near Ashby: all I can remember is Mazzini's, an Italian joint that's supposed to be good, though I've never been there. Shattuck near Ashby (a block north of the Plough, for you non-Bay Aryans): Nothing, really. Some dodgy takeout places and fast food. If anyone who's attending the show would like to email me privately so as not to rile or excite the envy of non-attendees, I'd be happy to attempt the arrangements. Let me know your preferences as to cuisine and so forth and I'll see what I can come up with. salut!, Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Do justice, that you may live long upon earth. Calm the weeper, do not oppress the widow, do not oust a man from his father's property, do not degrade magnates from their seats. Beware of punishing wrongfully; do not kill, for it will not profit you. _The Teaching for Merikare_ (c. 2135-2040 B.C.), Par. 8 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:18:14 -0700 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] an article about people we know >At 09:52 AM 6/28/01 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >>What are YOU doing this Saturday night. This is where I will be: >> >>http://www.contracostatimes.com/timeout/leads/stories_one/x28recordlabel_20010628.htm >> >>Later. --Rog > >So are there pre-show plans in the offing? I'm still not sure if I'll be there or not (depends entirely on whether one of three free lodging options works out, since I got carried away and donated all my spare money to a non-profit organization last week), but if I am, I'd probably be up for such an adventure... - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:03:28 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape swap review In a message dated 6/28/01 2:19:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, flamingo@rt66.com writes: > "Weakened State" -- Sarah Harmer > > I swear this name sounds familiar, but I know I don't have this. Did she > used to be in a band or something? This is really good, though--reminds me > of Merrie Amsterburg a bit, or maybe Jen Trynin. > > She was in the band Weeping Tile. I'm not exactly sure if they broke up or are on hiatus right now. Jer have you heard any news? Great song. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:20:51 -0700 From: Cindy Alvarez Subject: [loud-fans] CD review: California Dreaming Major kudos to Steve H., for unknowingly providing me with an entire CD that appeases my secret fondness for the Beach Boys and that feel of music. We played it on the drive from SF to LA recently, which was thematically perfect. I got to sing along loudly, while my boyfriend tolerated it and was, no doubt, planning to get back at me by playing 3 straight hours of Suzanne Vega on the way back. anyhow. California Dreamin' - American Music Club I have to admit I like the original version better. But it's always nice to hear. When I Get to California - Linus of Hollywood Terrrrrifically poppy, and a really interesting voice. I was spurred to pick up a Linus CD on my last Amoeba trip, and it's also very good, though I can't listen to the whole thing at once without some sort of sensory overload. Some of his lyrics, I can't tell if he's being sarcastic, or is kind of an asshole. Cinnamon Girl - Dream Syndicate This keeps getting stuck in my head, and not particularly in a good way. CA Redemption Value - Belle de Gama Pleasant but fairly forgettable. April's Fool - Cotton Mather Good, clever lyrics. Took a few listens for me to get into, but I've added this to my Amoeba shopping list now. LA - Elliot Smith Elliot Smith is one of those artists that Aaron liked a lot but that I was avoiding for some reason. I'm not sure why, now, because this was a very good song. California Man - Cheap Trick This song is so obnoxiously twangy and repetitive, and yet so good. Chasing Heather Crazy - Guided by Voices One, I kept hearing this as 'chasing after Daisy'; and two, I was so disappointed by DO THE COLLAPSE that I'm still holding a bit of a grudge against GbV. Still, it's a catchy song. Teenage Head - Hoodoo Gurus Weird, good stuff. California - P. Hux This is one of my favorite songs on the CD, but when I got to Amoeba there was no little bin for this guy! I looked under P, looked under H. I assume you're supposed to pronounce this 'fucks'? at any rate, very clever, and reminiscent of "L.A. Story" in that it has those frighteningly accurate snippets of so. cal life in it. Too Many People There - Mike Levy This song is just six words long, this song is just six words long. oops, sorry, got that confused with George Harrison for a second. But, um, the tune is fun and catchy, but there isn't much substance here. Just like California! Um. The Fake Headlines - New Pornographers I forget my specific thoughts about this song, and the CD's at home, but it earned a strong buy rating for the NPs. This Side of the River - Niagara I am obsessed with Niagara now. On the short list for 'cutest band in the world'. Lots of wordplay, some trip-hoppy background noises. So Far - Orange Peels Also good, and on my buy list now. Just Like California - Old 97s I really disliked this song at first, but it grew on me and compelled me to buy their SATELLITE RIDES CD, which is terrific, a little twangy and insatiably catchy and pretty good lyrical concepts. Ladyfriend - The Posies Another solid track. California - Tom Petty Tom Petty has somehow become my quintessential ideal of southern CA music, so what few nostalgic memories I have of growing up are tied to him. I'd never heard this track, though! It's funny, and I was amused to note that it was the second track on this CD that expressed concern that California might fall into the ocean. I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better - Teenage Fanclub Losing California - Sloan Squeeky - Splitsville Also good solid tracks. Splitsville has the same sort of cotton-candy appeal as Linus of Hollywood - fun but I'm not sure I could take a whole CD of it. God Only Knows - Chris von Sniedern Very sweet. Reminds me of my always-beloved Lucksmiths. California - The Aislers Set Good song, although based on what I've heard from the Aislers Set, all of their songs sound suspiciously alike. They all have that cute matching indie-pop haircut, though. Where Do I Go When You Dream? - Outrageous Cherry Pleasant but forgettable. Stop Showing Up in My Dreams - Amy Rigby I have been unable to get the spoken phrase "Woke up with a mouthful of feathers" out of my head, but I won't hold it against her. I love her spooky-rough voice and the catchiness and promptly went out and bought DIARY OF A MOD HOUSEWIFE which is also terrrrific. Amy was also a crossover hit, reaching the difficult Boyfriend Demographic with some success. So, in summary, Steve is directly responsible for four (4) new CD purchases so far, with a probable additional 3-4 more. Congratulations, Steve, I know who to blame when I'm broke. :) c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape swap review > "Weakened State" -- Sarah Harmer > > I swear this name sounds familiar, but I know I > don't have this. Did she used to be in a band or > something? She spent most of the 90's in the Kingston, ONT band Weeping Tile before going solo with last year's YOU WERE HERE. And since I'm on the subject, Weeping Tile's superb 1997 album VALENTINO has recently been reissued in the aftermath of Sarah's solo success, so now nobody has any reason to not own it. Jer np: The Clash, COMBAT ROCK (REMASTERED) (umm...I don't recall "Inoculated City" having a toilet cleaner advertisement in the middle of it before and I no longer have my original cassette version of the album to go back and check on. What's up with that!?) ===== Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:29:10 -0700 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape swap review At 12:08 PM -0600 6/28/01, Stewart Mason wrote: >"King of All the World" -- Old 97s > >This is getting a lot of airplay on KBAC right now. I should buy the new >album. Why have all the alt.country bands gone power pop? These guys, the >Jayhawks, Wilco... My favorite side effect of this phenomenon is that the die-hard alt.country folks then accuse those bands of having "sold out." Which is only funny when you think about what a, um, massive cash cow power pop is these days. In this particular case, I think "King of All the World" is the straightest pop song on the record. If you do buy it, be sure to get the version with the bonus disc - I actually play that as often as I do the album proper. Which is quite often. - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:37:59 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] dialing 411 Is Photo Robert still on the list? If not, does anyone have his email addy? Jen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:08:02 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: FW: [loud-fans] an article about people we know unfortunately, we're gonna be running around saturdya and sunday getting ready for the party sunday, so it's gonna be pretty crazy here - AND we're in the boondocks :) brianna - -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Setler To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sent: 6/28/01 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [loud-fans] an article about people we know >At 09:52 AM 6/28/01 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >>What are YOU doing this Saturday night. This is where I will be: >> >>http://www.contracostatimes.com/timeout/leads/stories_one/x28recordlab el_20010628.htm >> >>Later. --Rog > >So are there pre-show plans in the offing? I'm still not sure if I'll be there or not (depends entirely on whether one of three free lodging options works out, since I got carried away and donated all my spare money to a non-profit organization last week), but if I am, I'd probably be up for such an adventure... - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:29:10 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape swap review At 12:24 PM 6/28/2001 -0700, Jer Fairall wrote: >np: The Clash, COMBAT ROCK (REMASTERED) (umm...I >don't recall "Inoculated City" having a toilet cleaner >advertisement in the middle of it before and I no >longer have my original cassette version of the album >to go back and check on. What's up with that!?) It was included on early pressings, but Mr. 2000 Flushes (I don't remember the guy's name) sued to have it taken off, because he didn't want to be associated with a bunch of dirty un-American punks like the Clash. MB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:51:12 -0400 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] Napster: Why Self Interest Will Always End Badly I was holding this thought since the topic of Napster seems to have lost its luster. But since the topic has come up again, this seemed like a good time to spout off. Everything I have to say here is purely my opinion. Sorry for the length. It came to me slowly like a difficult math problem, it wasn't as though anyone was putting this in the forefront of their argument against Napster, and if they were, I wasn't following the debate closely enough to see this as the argument. There is another list that Scott and I belong to where there was a debate about Napster around the time the suits from Metallica were first being filed, the outcry was ferocious that Metallica were greedy rich rock stars, uncaring of their fans and fighting our right to trade music freely. Metallica for their part were less then forthcoming about their motives...they seemed to simply say "We just want artists to maintain control of their music" and left it at that. Scott, along with a scarce few others and myself chimed in that there really wasn't a good argument to defend Napster with except that it was pretty cool to get songs for free on their site and that didn't justify Napster. Around this time I asked my wife, Shannon, how she thought Napster could afford such a mighty legal defense, how they could keep their foes at bay for so long. She said that there are a lot of people in the internet industry and technology fields who would like very much to see Napster succeed. We just kind of left it at that. A couple of months ago, Tom Waits, Randy Newman and some other folks sued MP3.com for copyright infringement. Tom Waits has been fighting for years against the exploitation of his work and image in the advertising of product...he successfully sued Fritos for using a Tom Waits voice impersonator for a commercial. Waits and Neil Young seem to be the only celebrities speaking out about against artists hawking their music for commercials. Some time around the start of the MP3 suit, I heard that Metallica was also suing some cosmetics manufacturers for naming fingernail polishes and other cosmetics "Metallica". It was the combination of these two cases that made it clear to me what the real conflict was about. Napster was started by a couple of college kids but quickly grew into a massive concern with servers capable of handling millions of files being transported daily...likely handling more traffic at a time than Microsoft or Visa's servers. This kind of traffic is not something you can handle through you local ISP, this is the kind of thing that likely requires millions of dollars. Additionally Napster was apparently able to hire top attorneys and bankroll a massive legal battle to stay in business; they took on a cooperative of the world biggest entertainment conglomerates without charging a dime for their service. How did they afford this? They're just a few college kids. It took some time for me to figure this out but the MP3 case and Metallica's rather Waits-like case against the cosmetics companies provided the key. Who stands to gain by music being traded freely over the internet other than the fans? Ultimately, the artists would have to look somewhere besides album sales revenues to pay for their recording and financial support. It would be pretty much a given that Napster's success would ultimately bring hundreds of Napster imitators and ultimately we would do away with the formats we have become accustom to (CD's/tapes/records) and music would be traded solely on the internet. Where would the artists get the money to pay for recording, touring, to support themselves? They would have to get it through Advertising; both by selling their work for commercial use and through sites like Napster inserting commercial content amongst the music...don't get me started with the inevitability of product placement within songs. It suddenly became blindingly clear to me that the people who stood to gain from the success of Napster were the advertising firms, the multinational conglomerates who have products to hawk. These are the same people who managed to insert commercials amongst the movie previews at the theater and on videos and product placements into the scripts (I watched the fairly awful movie State And Main this week and had to laugh as the filmmaker within the movie found a way to insert a product placement for a dot com site into a 19th century period piece). I realized it must have been through the interest of advertisers that Napster had been able to bankroll this mighty case against all of these music business bigwigs and afford to maintain this massive internet concern. Now you might be asking why these industry giants didn't just jump in bed with them and join the inevitable exploitation. I would argue that a company who can manufacture a CD for 70 cents and sell it wholesale for $10.00 and get free advertising from MTV, only stood to lose by getting in bed with their corporate peers. In the end, if Napster had won it would have been a much greater change than we might have expected. The labels would have had no choice but to participate; Virgin Stores, Tower Records and the few remaining local CD and Record stores would have gradually closed down as computer speeds and capacities became greater and high speed internet access became more commonplace. The people who didn't use sites like Napster would have been forced to give up their objections and join the fray. Eventually movies would trade hands freely as files since any judgement would have governed them as well. And finally, the content would have been defined by ad execs...just like on network TV. And don't think your independent music would be safe in it's non-conformity...the non-conformist demographic is a pretty valuable commodity, independent thinkers have to have money, how else could they think independently. This is just my opinion and conjecture so the real facts may differ. - - Dan Vallor - ----------------------------------------------------------- King Record Worldwide Lathe Web http://members.home.net/vallor/ Xpressway List Group http://www.egroups.com/group/Xpressway - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:26:08 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape swap review >It was included on early pressings, but Mr. 2000 Flushes (I don't remember >the guy's name) sued to have it taken off, because he didn't want to be >associated with a bunch of dirty un-American punks like the Clash. That would be Al Eisen. Allegedly a Rat Packer, so we know how American he can get! Possibly he's dead by now. It's great to have the sample reinstated! You mean the ska-punk band or the pirate radio station, Andy "There are two ways of performing: One is to run out onstage and basically let loose and communicate with the audience on a personal level, the other one is to completely ignore the entire situation and try to concentrate on what it is you are doing and at the same time, not dwell on it, disconnect from your physical surroundings--which is contrary to performing, really. So I don't know if performing is necessarily a good definition for what I do. It may be closer to a seance than anything else." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:27:29 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape swap review Whoops, follow that .sig-- - --Leon Redbone, from a press release for his latest album ANYTIME, on Blue Thumb Records ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:48:48 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD review: California Dreaming >California Man - Cheap Trick >This song is so obnoxiously twangy and repetitive, and yet so good. Would this be the song by the Move? >California - P. Hux >This is one of my favorite songs on the CD, but when I got to Amoeba there >was no little bin for this guy! I looked under P, looked under H. I >assume you're supposed to pronounce this 'fucks'? >at any rate, very clever, and reminiscent of "L.A. Story" in that it has >those frighteningly accurate snippets of so. cal life in it. Parthenon Huxley is the full name. Okay, full moniker. If that helps. >I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better - Teenage Fanclub And is this the Byrds song? "For a long time/You had me believin'..." Andy A little rabbit is happily running through the forest when he stumbles upon a giraffe rolling a joint. The rabbit looks at her and says, "Giraffe my friend, why do you do this? Come with me running through the forest, you'll see, you'll feel so much better!" The giraffe looks at him, looks at the joint, tosses it and goes off running with the rabbit. Then they come across an elephant doing coke, so the rabbit again says,"Elephant my friend, why do you do this? Think about your health. Come running with us through the pretty forest, you'll see, you'll feel so good!" The elephant looks at them, looks at his razor, mirror and all, then tosses them and starts running with the rabbit and giraffe. The three animals then come across a lion about to shoot up and the rabbit again says, "Lion my friend, why do you do this? Think about your health! ... Come running with us through the sunny forest, you will feel so good!" The lion looks at him, puts down his needle, and starts to beat the shit out of the rabbit. As the giraffe and elephant watch in horror, they look at him and ask, "Lion, why did you do this? ... He was merely trying to help us all!" The lion answers, "That little fucker! He makes me run around the forest like an idiot each time he's on ecstasy!" [--courtesy Dr. Daniel C. Fain] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:51:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape swap review On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Jer Fairall wrote: > np: The Clash, COMBAT ROCK (REMASTERED) (umm...I > don't recall "Inoculated City" having a toilet cleaner > advertisement in the middle of it before and I no > longer have my original cassette version of the album > to go back and check on. What's up with that!?) So they restored that! So I guess I no longer need to save the LP version as being "rare," eh? (Of course, as an original issue, it stll is...) I didn't know that there was any political asepct to the removal of this soundbite - I thought it was simply a matter of the band lacking permission to use it and the owner (whoever makes/made "2000 Flushes") suing to have it removed. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ np: The Teardrop Explodes _Kilimanjaro_ - haven't listened to this in ages, had forgotten how wonderful it is ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:12:16 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape swap review <> <> Al Eisen had a perfectly legitimate reason for not wanting to be associated with The Clash. Only one rock band can truly associate themselves with this proud inventor. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:23:44 -0700 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD review: California Dreaming At 12:20 PM -0700 6/28/01, Cindy Alvarez wrote: >California - P. Hux >This is one of my favorite songs on the CD, but when I got to Amoeba there >was no little bin for this guy! I looked under P, looked under H. I >assume you're supposed to pronounce this 'fucks'? >at any rate, very clever, and reminiscent of "L.A. Story" in that it has >those frighteningly accurate snippets of so. cal life in it. When I set out in search of this CD, it took me about a year and a half to find it. I haven't seen a used copy since (say, another 2-3 years). I imagine even the mighty Amoeba wouldn't see enough copies to make a divider card. The good news is that you can now buy "Deluxe" (the CD 'California' comes from) from Parthenon's new website, http://www.parthenonhuxley.com. The maybe even better news is that you can also get his absolutely gorgeous new CD, "Purgatory Falls," there. Among other things, there's also a live CD from a living room concert that I haven't bought yet but have heard wonderful things about. I've always pronounced it P-Hux, myself, but perhaps I'm just naive. Posting more today than I have all month, - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 20:29:37 -0400 From: "amy lewis" Subject: [loud-fans] Fw: Barbara Manning tour dates some of you will probably be interested in this: - ----- Original Message ------ > Here are the confirmed USA summer 2001 tour dates: > > July 7, Sat. Grass Valley, CA: Center For The Arts > July 15, Sun. San Francisco: Doc's Clock > July 19, Thurs. Los Angeles: Silver Lake Lounge > July 23, Mon. Tucson,AZ: Solar Culture > July 29, Sun. New Orleans: Mermaid Lounge > July 30, Mon. Atlanta: Echo Lounge > July 31, Tues. Athens,GA: 40 Watt Club > August 1, Wed. Chapel Hill, NC: Go Studio Room 4 > August 3, Fri. Washington, DC: Black Cat > August 5, Sun. NYC: Tonic > August 7, Tues. Hoboken, NJ: Maxwells > August 8, Wed. Philadelphia: Kyber Pass > August 9, Thurs. Boston(Cambridge): TT The Bears > August 12, Sun. Albany, NY: Lion Heart Cafe > August 13, Mon. Rochester, NY: Monty's Korner > August 14, Tues. Cincinnati, OH: Sudsy Malones > August 17, Fri.. Chicago: Congress Theater at LadyFest > August 18, Sat. Madison, WI: Club Tavern > August 19, Sun. Minneapolis: 400 Bar > August 24, Fri. Spokane, WA: The Shop > August 31, Fri. Sacramento: Old Ironsides w/ Harvester and the Ultra Violets > September 3, Mon. San Francisco: The Makeout Room ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:19:31 -0500 From: "triggercut" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tape swap review - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Mason" To: Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: [loud-fans] Tape swap review > > "King of All the World" -- Old 97s > > This is getting a lot of airplay on KBAC right now. I should buy the new > album. Why have all the alt.country bands gone power pop? These guys, the > Jayhawks, Wilco... > Well, it's really no stretch if you think about it. Jeff Tweedy's songs were always the "poppiest" in the Uncle Tupelo catalog ("Gun", "We've Been Had", "New Madrid", not to mention that both Jeff and Jay Farrar were intensely into pop music--witness their covers of "I Wanna Destroy You", "At Home He's A Tourist", "Cinnamon Girl", "Hello" from the LIVE AT BUDOKAN ALBUM...), and the band also gets significant creative input from Jay Bennett, who contributed some guitar to the second Jellyfish lp, toured with Tommy Keene, and was, of course, in Titanic Love Affair, ostensibly a "pop" band. I'd say that's a pretty good pop pedigree. As far as the Jayhawks go, you've got much the same thing going on--Gary Louris always wrote the pop songs ("Waiting For the Sun", "Settled Down Like Rain", "Blue", etc.) and before he joined the 'hawks he played in a spats band of all things (I have a copy of the record as proof...) and did Stray Catsy stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:01:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD review: California Dreaming On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Cindy Alvarez wrote: > Just Like California - Old 97s > I really disliked this song at first, but it grew on me and compelled me to > buy their SATELLITE RIDES CD, which is terrific, a little twangy and > insatiably catchy and pretty good lyrical concepts. i've hopefully bought both of the Old 97's post-Too Far To Care albums hoping they'd be as good, and they weren't, i didn't think... definitely get that one next. (do i get a gold star for using 'hopefully' in the prescribed way?) a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:17:46 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] CD review: California Dreaming Andrew Hamlin wrote: > >California Man - Cheap Trick > >This song is so obnoxiously twangy and repetitive, and yet so good. > > Would this be the song by the Move? It would, but like many rock fans my age, I heard Cheap Trick's cover first (front and center on side one of HEAVEN TONIGHT), and the Move's original version later. > >I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better - Teenage Fanclub > And is this the Byrds song? It is. And anybody who claims you can't find anything on Napster since they clamped down on copyrighted songs a few months ago probably hasn't tried. Steve Steve ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #144 *******************************