From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #143 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, June 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 143 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Was Napster actually beneficial? [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair] Re: [loud-fans] Was Napster actually beneficial? [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair] Re: [loud-fans] Was Napster actually beneficial? [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] TFC alert [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] open invite [bbradley@namesecure.com] [loud-fans] Attempting Balance- mix review [jenny grover <><><><><> O.k., fine you can have it. Damn thing was itchy anyhow. - --Dennis, suddeny feeling inexplicably sincere ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:21:04 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Was Napster actually beneficial? dana praises: Thank God it's gone [....] Jeff disputes: the salvific scenarios put forth by some pro-Napsterites <><><><><><><><> I've recently been reading selections from early biblical codifier Iranaeus, himself a great champion and consolidator of orthodoxy, and opponent of heresy, and it's interesting to see that not a lot has changed in the last seventeen hundred some years. INRIAA, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:40:02 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Was Napster actually beneficial? Actually I just read that Napster has signed a deal to distribute all sorts of indie UK labels when they reopen for business with their ever so slightly altered business model this summer. The story's on CDNOW, and probably elsewhere. Praise be to Napster!! Death to those who dispute Napster's grace!! - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:16:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Was Napster actually beneficial? On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > By far most of the "free" music downloaded from Napster et al. was > already available free - by turning on your radio, walking into a > store in a mall, turning on MTV, etc. The most popular tracks > elsewhere were the most popular there as well. interesting. i always think of people who listen to the radio but don't buy CDs as sort of terminally uninterested in music, even if they turn to it for momentary stimulation. but the truth probably lies closer to what you're saying -- that some people get plenty of music legally without buying it. > for more serious fans, the lack of packaging, information, etc. means > that downloaded music is just a temporary item, a means of checking > out what something sounds like - not a replacement for it. here, i'm not positive. i agree with glenn that it really would be a problem if Napster, with everything good and bad about it, became the only model for how people think about music online, and right now it seems pretty close to that. but it isn't just serious fans for whom Napster is not quite the Real Thing... i think a lot of people who use Napster don't really understand it, or are confused when things are labelled wrong. i think Napster's perpetual shakiness may have kept the model it's created from solidfying too much in users' minds, even the ones who at one point relied on it. > And I think at least part of this is due also to the possibility that > many serious music fans don't view Napstering as a means to deprive > artists but as a way to kick Big Music in the shins - a kick that it > richly deserves, if perhaps better done more constructively. well, yeah. i noticed recently (i've been diving in the bargain bins for early-90s major-label pop & alt) that i had stopped worrying about the problem of albums only having one good song. i mean, in high school that was THE bane of my music-buying existence, and with all other things being equal i'd expect it to have gotten worse over time, because i still buy as many records after hearing one song as i ever did, but now that one song is often selected by my friends or fellow DJs, whose tastes tend to match mine much better than whoever selected dogs like "Here Comes Your Man" or "Life In The Manscape". but no... the big labels just don't care as much. but unauthorized copying isn't a kick in the shins -- not buying their crappy records is, and if unauthorized copying is all that makes it tolerable to do so, you've got a problem. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:05:00 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] Radiohead sells out Sort of: http://www.sonicnet.com/news/story.jhtml?id=1444762 It should be interesting to see their South Park appearance. Also, I must sheepishly admit that my comments about AMNESIAC were a bit too harsh. The CD is definitely growing on me - and yes, there are *songs* on it. Still, I wish they would get back to rawking out, dude. Apparently the show here at Red Rocks last week (which I did not attend) had a good mixture of old and new, and did show that they can still rawk out, dude. And that they still do have affection for their pre-KID A catalog/sound. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:02:00 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] TFC alert I noticed that there's a mini North American tour by Teenage Fanclub next month, and since there are a few TFC fans here, and they haven't played over here in a long time, I thought someone might be interested in these shows. 7/10 - 9:30 Club, Washington DC 7/11 - Theatre of Living Arts, Philadelphia 7/12,13 - Bowery Ballroom, New York 7/15 - Opera House, Toronto 7/18 - Metro, Chicago 7/19 - Troubadour, Hollywood 7/20,21 - Slim's, San Francisco These weren't listed on pollstar the last time I looked.. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:11:12 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: [loud-fans] open invite any bay area loud fans with nothing to do sunday: from: ed and brianna location: The Loch - 5295 Laguna Court, Discovery Bay, CA View Map phone: 925 240 5295 when: Sunday, July 1, 2:00pm to 10:00pm Join us for a day of sun, swimming, lounging, booze (of course) and barbecue. The Tiki Lounge will be in full effect from 2pm to 10pm on Sunday, July 1. There will be 2 barbecues going (1 big, 1 small) and plenty of locally grown corn-on-the-cob. We'll supply charcoal, lighter fluid, some hot dogs and turkey dogs, fruit, whatever alcohol is in the house (any of you who know me well know this is always a substantial amount), some basic mixers, and probably some tri tip and some skewer type stuff, but we can't guarantee enough for everyone, so bring something yummy to eat, drink, and share. The lake is a perfect swimming hole, we've had gorgeous weather, and we've got some new patio furniture to break in. Bring a friend, bring your great big glamorous shades and your floppy hat; most importantly, bring your sun-worshiping, lounge-lizarding, barbecue-eating, booze-consuming self! The tiki torches, lounge music (yay, sinatra!), and pitchers full of umbrella drinks are waiting.... RSVP off-list for directions, info, or just to let us know you're coming. See you at The Loch! - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:18:36 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] Attempting Balance- mix review I would like to preface this review by thanking Larry Tucker for it, and for the nice accompanying cover art. Also, before I begin, I just want to say that it's a fine line between homage and reliance, and I wish I knew on which side of that line some of these bands stand. 1- Badfinger- In the Meantime Some Other Time Grand and mysterious intro. More prog and less pop than most of the Badfinger I've heard. Heavy-handed orchestration gives the song a heavy, somber, and overly dramatic feel. The last half is quite nice- brighter, more hopeful, and musically perkier. It would be nice to hear this song without the orchestra! 2- Spoon- Believeing is Art Lennon-esque guitar, reminiscent of "Cold Turkey." The beat is a bit thudding and tiresomely regular for long stretches. Is this a real drummer or a drum machine? There are very nice moments in this song, but unfortunately the heavy simplicity of some sections drag them down a bit. Still, overall, I like it. 3- Davenports- Object in the Mirror This song is kind of all over the place stylistically. The intro made me expect hard rock, but the vocals are, well... wimpy pop. The changes thrown in to make the music more interesting made me go "huh?" more than "cool." 4- Swag- I'll Get By Nice mid-70's, not quite bubblegum style (more substance than typical bubblegum- like that good, hard gum Fleer used to make). Hooky, catchy chorus and strong vocals. 5- Richard Lloyd- I Thought Jangle pop. Pretty uninteresting overall. 6- Bibi Farber- Shine One of my two picks of the litter for this mix. Info please! 7- Echo- It's Alright Very 80's U2 sounding. 8- Ups and Downs- the Living Kind 80's REM wannabe college radio style with poppier vocals and production. 9- Nazz- Under the Ice What is this the B-side of? Vocals seem a bit overstretched, but at least he's in there giving it all he's got. Music is enjoyably reminiscent of early 70's Who. Nice, lively, thrash-around drumming. 10- Mockers- It Wasn't Just Me I just don't care for this wimpy schoolboy vocal/lyrical style. And the break borrows much too consciously from the Beatles. There is nothing original or interesting going on in this song. 11- You Am I- Jaimmie's Got a Gal I always liked this one. I never thought about You Am I in the context this mix places them in (mid-70's style pop), perhaps because I tend to put on "Forever and Easy" and skip the slower ones. 12- Scott Miller- Across the Line So, this is the other white meat! My other pick of the mix. Nice WV namecheck. I would ditch the orchestra. Nice Neil Young-ish rock with a riff that bears a strong resemblance to "More or Less" by Screaming Trees. Good vocals! I like this. 13- Roman Candle- Something Left to Say Again, drummer or drum machine? One of those "not so bad without you, after all" songs. Kinda catchy. Good summertime fare. 14- Captain Beefheart- Long Neck Bottles Probably the most "normal" Beefheart song I've heard. Amusing song about a hard-drinking woman. 15- Chuck Prophet- Credit If he wants some credit maybe he and his band should be less obvious in their copying of the Stones. 16- Continental Drifters- Na Na Reminds me of a less raw Bell with elements of Goodness thrown in. Female identity crisis song tht rises from boring to powerful, perhaps intentionally, given the growing resolve and strength in the lyrics. It's growing on me. 17- Jack Logan- Metropolis Song about traveling the world to find their place in it, and not finding that place. Or, at least, finding what that place is not. More Stones references in the music ("Sympathy for the Devil"). Not a bad song, but the lyrics could use some resolution or further fleshing out- one more verse, perhaps. 18- Steve Wynn- Death Valley Rain Gnarly organ intro. Nice, dark surf style with suitable guitar. I just wish the chorus melody didn't remind me so much of "Burnin' Love". 19- Matt Piucci- Hopeless Case I don't care for this song lyrically. It's self-absorbed loserism, and suffers from too much "tell" and not enough "show". The ubiquitous presence of "It's Been a While" by Staind has shown me how boring it can be to listen to some guy moan about what a hopeless case he is and how only the woman he loves can save him. Save yourself, buddy! Sorry... maybe I'm being harsh. What's worse is that it's musically boring as all get out. Anyway, there's my review, and it was fun, as usual, getting to hear some new stuff. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:29:40 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Attempting Balance- mix review At 05:18 PM 6/27/01 -0400, jenny grover wrote: >9- Nazz- Under the Ice >What is this the B-side of? Vocals seem a bit overstretched, but at >least he's in there giving it all he's got. Music is enjoyably >reminiscent of early 70's Who. Nice, lively, thrash-around drumming. Particularly impressive since it was recorded in 1968. This is the flip of the "Not Wrong Long" single and is also on the NAZZ NAZZ album. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:32:47 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Attempting Balance- mix review Stewart Mason wrote: > > At 05:18 PM 6/27/01 -0400, jenny grover wrote: > >9- Nazz- Under the Ice > >What is this the B-side of? Vocals seem a bit overstretched, but at > >least he's in there giving it all he's got. Music is enjoyably > >reminiscent of early 70's Who. Nice, lively, thrash-around drumming. > > Particularly impressive since it was recorded in 1968. This is the flip of > the "Not Wrong Long" single and is also on the NAZZ NAZZ album. > > S That's quite interesting! Thanks for the info. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:43:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Attempting Balance- mix review Thanks for the swap-tape review, Jen - and for providing me once again the opportunity to encourage others to review their swap tapes. If you feel somehow not up to writing a full-dress review, at the very least just list the tracks so we can sink our fangs into 'em. Thanks! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who will shortly begin making his tape... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life ahead of you, ::dancing the night away to celebrate... ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. last played: Game Theory board tapes courtesy Photo Robert - the one with the Cynical Eighties Cover of the Hollies' "Carrie Anne" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:18:32 -0400 From: "Vallor" Subject: [loud-fans] Fair Oaks Hot Spot, Fern Bar Fwd from Robet - -----Original Message----- From: robert toren To: vallor@home.com Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:42 PM Subject: For the loud list >Hi Dan >How'ya? >Could you please forward the following to the loudlist - I don't seem to >have access. >Gracias mucho, >Robert T >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hey gang, Take a look at the last on the list and think Rayon Drive. This may leave crazy men room to die. Robert T List of 'most dangerous' intersections released June 27, 2001 Posted: 2:06 PM EDT (1806 GMT) BLOOMINGTON, Illinois (CNN) -- Pembroke Pines, Florida, has the most dangerous intersection in the United States, while Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has two of the top three, according to an insurance company study released Wednesday. State Farm Insurance ranked the worst intersections in the United States based on accident claims from January 1999 through December 2000. Factors in the rankings include the number of accidents and injuries. Here are the others: - -- Phoenix, Arizona, 7th Street and Bell Road, 268 accidents. - -- Tulsa, Oklahoma, 51st Street and Memorial Drive, 304 accidents. - -- Tulsa, Oklahoma, 71st Street and Memorial Drive, 245 accidents. - -- Phoenix, Arizona, 19th Avenue and Northern Avenue, 255 accidents. - -- Frisco, Texas, State Highway 121 and Preston Road, 280 accidents. - -- Metairie, Louisiana, Clearview Parkway and Veterans Memorial Boulevard, 328 accidents. - -- Sacramento, California, Fair Oaks Boulevard and Howe Avenue, 246 accidents. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #143 *******************************