From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #136 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, June 21 2001 Volume 01 : Number 136 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] church v state (no, there's no Scott here either...) [JR] [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] Re: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye [Stewart Mason ] [loud-fans] More ways to spend money [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] Re: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye [dc ] Re: [loud-fans] More ways to spend money [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] first one gets 'em [bbradley@namesecure.com] [loud-fans] RE: first one gets 'em [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] the sleep gods have spoken! ["Andrew Hamlin" ] RE: [loud-fans] the sleep gods have spoken! [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] aube vs reed AND a moment of music [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] More ways to spend money [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] More ways to spend money ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] church v state (no, there's no Scott here either...) ["J] [loud-fans] Motherless Brooklyn (no imprimatur) ["John Sharples" > That statement, of course, wasn't specifically about the Supreme Court Boy Scout Case, but also about the subsequent complications of the government dictating a violation of the First Amendment. But why let the course of natural discussion stop that leading to fun comments like this: <> The answer could be that we weren't indoctrinated well enough during the 1960's. Or maybe that interpretation of the Constitution could be up for debate in a free society. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:42:31 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye Anybody know the significance of the number 23 as it appears in the Posies Album title _Dear 23_? My friends Rachel and the-Kevin-the-bartender named one of their cats "23". I asked if this was a Posies reference, and they both looked baffled, explaining that the number had some sort of Masonic significance, which they picked up from Robert Anton Wilson. Preliminary research on my part (what, me lazy?) indicates that, among other things, Jean Cocteau is alleged to have been the 23rd Grand Master (or Navigator) of a French "rosicrucian" conspiracy called the Priority of Sion (allegedly the organizers of the Knights Templar, of course), all of whose Grand Masters took the name "Jean", making him "Jean XXIII". Concurrently, Pope John XXIII, responsible for substantially modernising Catholicism, scandalized the church when assuming that name, as the name "John" was stigmatized within the the Catholic heirarchy after one of the French "antipopes" had attempted to rule (or whatever popes do) as "Jean XXIII". Also, in the middle ages, Irish mystic Malachai (one of those suspicious "Nostradamus-types") made a series of prophesies about future popes, and predicted that John XXIII would be "shepherd and navigator". Are the Posies trying to take over the World? et in Arcadia Yugo, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:57:55 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye At 09:42 AM 6/21/01 -0500, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: >Anybody know the significance of the number 23 as it appears in the Posies Album >title _Dear 23_? > >My friends Rachel and the-Kevin-the-bartender named one of their cats "23". I >asked if this was a Posies reference, and they both looked baffled, explaining >that the number had some sort of Masonic significance, which they picked up from >Robert Anton Wilson. Just find one of the hysterical screeds about the Illuminati floating about on the Internet and you'll find more than you ever wanted to know. Most folks, including Wilson, play the whole Illuminati thing for laughs nowadays, but there are still people who are convinced that they're a real secret society that really is trying to take over the world, somewhere between the Rosicrucians and the Trilateral Commission. Stewart, providing Masonic insignificance since 1969 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:29:56 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: [loud-fans] More ways to spend money A heads up to anybody in the vicinity of Chicago: I went to the big Tower Records on Clark just south of Fullerton last night and discovered a sale worth mention. It seems that Tower is overstocked on a bunch of Sony product, and are blowing it out for $7.99 per title. Noteworthy stuff I saw included most of Miles Davis's '60s output, including _Kind of Blue_, about 2/3 of the Dylan catalog, including crucial titles like _Highway 61 Revisited_ and _Blonde on Blonde_, quality Springsteen titles _Darkness on the Edge of Town_ and _Nebraska_, a whole bunch of Sly Stone stuff, and a whole boatload of older jazz. These are not cutouts, just overstock. I have no idea if this is chain wide, or if their website would be able to sell these, but a deal is a deal, and theopolitical differences aside, I know how much we all love that. I know "meecro", but what's a "bload"?, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 9:31:44 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye Stewart Mason on 2001/06/21 Thu AM 08:57:55 MDT wrote: > Just find one of the hysterical screeds about the Illuminati floating about > on the Internet and you'll find more than you ever wanted to know. Most > folks, including Wilson, play the whole Illuminati thing for laughs > nowadays, but there are still people who are convinced that they're a real > secret society that really is trying to take over the world, somewhere > between the Rosicrucians and the Trilateral Commission. Including an old friend of mine who is a Jesuit priest and has (seriously) claimed the Catholic church has a whole "enforcement arm" set up to fight them. Later. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 9:37:38 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye And, oh yeah, the Illuminati are also the villains in the TOMB RAIDER movie... Along with gravity. Later. --Rog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:40:55 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > Anybody know the significance of the number 23 as it appears in the Posies Album > title _Dear 23_? > Are the Posies trying to take over the World? all is revealed under the faq at: http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us/dear23.html "and now your answer, my friend," dc vicinity of seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:05:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More ways to spend money On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > I went to the big Tower Records on Clark just south of Fullerton last > night and discovered a sale worth mention. It seems that Tower is > overstocked on a bunch of Sony product, and are blowing it out for > $7.99 per title. Tower Records in Cambridge always has a bin like this. The label being discounted changes every few months, I think; Newbury Comics does something similar, which is one of the many reasons I rarely go to Tower. Anyway, I had figured, perhaps without justification, that this was something initiated by the labels. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:21:19 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] More fairways bend funny On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > Town_ and _Nebraska_, a whole bunch of Sly Stone stuff, and a whole boatload of [...] > I know "meecro", but what's a "bload"?, i love this sort of juxtaposition. i imagnine 'buttload' would work as wiell. - -- d. np bicycle thieves "a" = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:21:15 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > Anybody know the significance of the number 23 as it appears in the Posies Album > title _Dear 23_? It's all related to the Illuminati trilogy.. Speaking of the Posies, I noticed that they're playing July 10th at the Bottom of the Hill (in SF). Is this a full band show, or just Ken & Jon? Does anyone know? Another musician with a similar "23" obsession is Anton Barbeau, who has a song on his second album called "Allyson 23" and a song on his latest album, "Six Hours Later", where all the numbers mentioned in the lyrics (two sixes, a seven, and a four) add up to 23. His first name is also Robert Anton Wilson's middle name, and also the first name of Church of Satan founder Anton LeVay (strange coincidence? who knows?) By the way, this Saturday, June *23rd*, Anton Barbeau is hosting (wait for it) a 23-hour "Antonathon" show, at the True Love Coffeehouse on the corner of 23rd and J streets in Sacramento (I know J isn't the 23rd letter of the alphabet, but Sacramento doesn't have a W street). It starts at midnight on the 22nd/23rd, with Anton's former band the Joyboys playing a 23 song set (likely ending with "Allyson 23"), then continues with sets by many more Anton-related and semi-related bands, and lots of other people covering Anton songs, including that Scott Miller guy we don't talk about anymore (True Love Coffeehouse is just two blocks from 21st and J, the intersection mentioned in "Rayon Drive") and Anton's 125 (23*5+10) records labelmate Bradley Skaught (who uncovered the "Six Hours Later" significance). I believe this may also be the unofficial release party for Anton's ANTOLOGY 2 and Belle da Gama's GARDEN ABSTRACT before the official release show next Saturday in Berkeley. Those albums should be available via 125records.com now, but I'm not sure because their site gets flagged as "adult content", when I try to access it at work. Anyway, 23 hours of Anton stuff is probably more than even I can handle, but I've been selected as the person most likely to see the whole thing, so I'll try to endure most of it, so if any other loud-fans are looking for something to do this Saturday, come to Sacramento and hang out with me/us for awhile! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:14:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Steve Holtebeck wrote: > I believe this may also be the unofficial release party for Anton's > ANTOLOGY 2 and Belle da Gama's GARDEN ABSTRACT before the official > release show next Saturday in Berkeley. Those albums should be > available via 125records.com now, but I'm not sure because their site > gets flagged as "adult content", when I try to access it at work. Maybe we should take down those naked photos of Anton... The 125 Records juggernaut is indeed moving forward. We have in our hands many copies of both ANTOLOGY 2 & GARDEN ABSTRACT and some copies of Tris McCall's IF ONE OF THESE BOTTLES SHOULD HAPPEN TO FALL. Each of these CDs is a finely crafted gem. Together, they make a stunning musical brooch. The web site should be ready to take orders (payment via PayPal) by the weekend, but if you want to beat the rush and/or pay by check or money order, you can send $12 for each copy of ANTOLOGY 2 or GARDEN ABSTRACT and $10 for each copy of BOTTLES + shipping (US: $2 first CD/$1 each additional CD; Canada/Mexico: $3/$1; Europe: $5/$2; All others: $6/$2) + if in California, 8.25% sales tax - all in US funds only, please - to: 125 Records P.O. Box 6133 Albany, CA 94706 Please include your name and shipping address. Thank you for your support, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:45:54 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye <> very weird mental imagery, that. deffuhnitly very shiny... very shiny.... i'm assuming the cds will be for sale at the event june 30? yes? speaking of - when do we get all the gorey details of time and place (wow - if that's not a prog rock album title waiting to happen, i don't know what is. "all the gorey details of time and place." i'm gonna have to start a band.) - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:00:28 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye Steve Holtebeck wrote: > > including that Scott Miller guy we don't talk about anymore (True Love > Coffeehouse is just two blocks from 21st and J, the intersection > mentioned in "Rayon Drive") But the real question is- will Scott play "24"? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:06:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: > i'm assuming the cds will be for sale at the event june 30? yes? Yes, they will. > speaking of - when do we get all the gorey details of time and place A very good question! Here are said details: Sat., June 30th 125 Records release party! Starry Plough, Berkeley, CA Bill: Scott Miller + Kenny Kessel from The Loud Family + special guests Anton Barbeau Belle Da Gama 9:00 PM (bands begin at 9:45) $5 We hope to see many of you there! > (wow - if that's not a prog rock album title waiting to happen, i > don't know what is. "all the gorey details of time and place." i'm > gonna have to start a band.) Which we'd sign... ;) J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:29:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: [loud-fans] open for business The online store is now open for business, in case anyone wants to be a guinea pig and try it out... http://www.125records.com/ The CDs are also available at both Amoebas, in case you're local and prefer the retail experience. - -- Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:31:10 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: [loud-fans] first one gets 'em speaking of the funky meters - i have 2 tickets for this: SATURDAY, JUNE 23 SHORELINE AMPHITHEATRE 12PM - 7:30PM FUNKY METERS with NICHOLAS PAYTON, MARCIA BALL, DIRTY DOZEN JOHN MOONEY, LIL' BRIAN AND THE ZYDECO TRAVELERS BEAUSOLEIL, JON CLEARY & THE ABSOLUTE MONSTER GENTLEMEN, SAMBA NGO, PAT YANKEE, TEE FEE SWAMP BOOGIE BAND FREDERICK NIGHTHAWK, JON HAMMOND BRAZIL CULTURE & ARTS, GOLDEN GATE RHYTHM MACHINE CAROLINE AIKEN, LOREN ROWAN, DIANA CASTILLO BEN BONHAM, ZENITH PARADE BAND, WOMEN WALKING TALL info here: http://www.shoreline-amd.com/nobb.asp our realtor gave us these, but we're going out of town. i'd love to go, and i expect a full report from whomever takes the tickets. you'll have to figure out a way to hook up with me to get the tickets. i'll be in concord from 8-4 tomorrow and in disco bay from 7 on tonight. ed will be in SF tomorrow around noon to 1, but i'm not sure what part of SF. there is a disclaimer: our realtor may want the tickets back, since we left her a message saying we can't go. it's not likely, but it's possible. sorry for all the caveats..... - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com - -----Original Message----- From: Joseph M. Mallon [mailto:jmmallon@joescafe.com] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:06 PM Cc: Gone Tomorrow Hair Today Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: > i'm assuming the cds will be for sale at the event june 30? yes? Yes, they will. > speaking of - when do we get all the gorey details of time and place A very good question! Here are said details: Sat., June 30th 125 Records release party! Starry Plough, Berkeley, CA Bill: Scott Miller + Kenny Kessel from The Loud Family + special guests Anton Barbeau Belle Da Gama 9:00 PM (bands begin at 9:45) $5 We hope to see many of you there! > (wow - if that's not a prog rock album title waiting to happen, i > don't know what is. "all the gorey details of time and place." i'm > gonna have to start a band.) Which we'd sign... ;) J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:42:37 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: [loud-fans] RE: first one gets 'em all gone! that was fast! - -- brianna bradley - -----Original Message----- From: Bradley, Brianna - Namesecure Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:31 PM To: Gone Tomorrow Hair Today Subject: first one gets 'em speaking of the funky meters - i have 2 tickets for this: SATURDAY, JUNE 23 SHORELINE AMPHITHEATRE 12PM - 7:30PM FUNKY METERS with NICHOLAS PAYTON, MARCIA BALL, DIRTY DOZEN JOHN MOONEY, LIL' BRIAN AND THE ZYDECO TRAVELERS BEAUSOLEIL, JON CLEARY & THE ABSOLUTE MONSTER GENTLEMEN, SAMBA NGO, PAT YANKEE, TEE FEE SWAMP BOOGIE BAND FREDERICK NIGHTHAWK, JON HAMMOND BRAZIL CULTURE & ARTS, GOLDEN GATE RHYTHM MACHINE CAROLINE AIKEN, LOREN ROWAN, DIANA CASTILLO BEN BONHAM, ZENITH PARADE BAND, WOMEN WALKING TALL info here: http://www.shoreline-amd.com/nobb.asp our realtor gave us these, but we're going out of town. i'd love to go, and i expect a full report from whomever takes the tickets. you'll have to figure out a way to hook up with me to get the tickets. i'll be in concord from 8-4 tomorrow and in disco bay from 7 on tonight. ed will be in SF tomorrow around noon to 1, but i'm not sure what part of SF. there is a disclaimer: our realtor may want the tickets back, since we left her a message saying we can't go. it's not likely, but it's possible. sorry for all the caveats..... - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com - -----Original Message----- From: Joseph M. Mallon [mailto:jmmallon@joescafe.com] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:06 PM Cc: Gone Tomorrow Hair Today Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Double X, Aye-aye-aye On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: > i'm assuming the cds will be for sale at the event june 30? yes? Yes, they will. > speaking of - when do we get all the gorey details of time and place A very good question! Here are said details: Sat., June 30th 125 Records release party! Starry Plough, Berkeley, CA Bill: Scott Miller + Kenny Kessel from The Loud Family + special guests Anton Barbeau Belle Da Gama 9:00 PM (bands begin at 9:45) $5 We hope to see many of you there! > (wow - if that's not a prog rock album title waiting to happen, i > don't know what is. "all the gorey details of time and place." i'm > gonna have to start a band.) Which we'd sign... ;) J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:44:47 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the sleep gods have spoken! >** Have a bedtime ritual for the last 30 minutes before you go to bed. >Having a routine and calm breathing will help make you sleepy. Also, read a >few pages of inspirational material just before turning out the light. >does Naked Lunch count? Never read that one at bedtime! I know a couple who tried reading FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS to each other in bed, though... >and boy, do i know i'm not alone! man! do any of you ever sleep? oh >wait - i already knew that answer. glenn never sleeps. Then again, we've established beyond reasonable doubt that glenn is a collective. Voice of the beehive? Andy "The Marquis de Sade is the real Slim Shady" - --graffiti observed on Malvern Street in Allston, MA, last week (courtesy Stewart Mason) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:00:23 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aube vs reed AND a moment of music In a message dated 6/20/01 6:55:18 PM, jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu writes: >>I'm looking for the fine logical distinctions that allow someone to believe > >>there's state imprimatur with religious access, but no state imprimatur > >>[regarding sexuality] with condom distribution. I know the distinctions > >are > >>there, but I seem to get "the first is bad, the second is good" stuff >most > >of > >>the time. > > > > > >You're close: the first is unconstitutional, the second is not. > > > >JS John, I think what's being lost here between my question and your answers is that you give a factual distinction, and a legal distinction, and I'm asking for the logic. You correctly note that one is not allowed -- it's unconstitutional. To the extent that it can have no imprimatur when the republic rejects it as unconstitutional and won't allow it, I agree. But I ask, if both were constitutional -- if both were happening -- what distinctions can be made regarding the state imprimatur. That's what some others addressed, and some very persuasively. I've always argued that condom distribution carries no real imprimatur, and others have helped bolster my feeling with arguments. I always knew the establishment clause, as interpreted, renders the question of imprimatur moot by an irrebuttable presumption of unconstitutional imprimatur. I wanted to explore the moot question. "Moot" being, broadly defined, "for the sake of argument only." Which is my joy on this list. By the way, for those who like crunch in their pop, Idlewild has reduced the crunch, added a more "British 1980s" approach to their songs (not helpful, but you might hear the new record and go "yeah"), and churned out a more challenging and more interesting record than the first US release. It was overpraised, IMHO, but it's well worth exploring if smooth is not always a good word for you......... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:09:30 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] The coo-coo, she's a pretty bird I'll like to mention the soon-to-open film SONGCATCHER, ... Adian Quinn (THE HANDMAID'S TALE, AT PLAY IN THE FIELDS OF THE LORD) ahhhh.... droool droool pant pant drooooool... i will be renting this one.... and don't forget Legends of the Fall... - -- brianna bradley Dear Sir, I need urgent help. I have added the services to my place web but he doesn't allow to be renewed the domain and it expires mealready!. How can I renovate the reservation domain he gives?. thank you. very odd support email i recieved today. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:18:28 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the sleep gods have spoken! At 12:44 PM 6/21/01 -0700, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >>** Have a bedtime ritual for the last 30 minutes before you go to bed. >>Having a routine and calm breathing will help make you sleepy. Also, read a >>few pages of inspirational material just before turning out the light. > >Never read that one at bedtime! I know a couple who tried reading FEAR AND >LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS to each other in bed, though... As a lifelong insomniac, I've learned to always have a particularly boring book in my my bedside reading for those nights when only something really eye-glazing will put me out. INFINITE JEST is my current one--three pages and I'm out like a light. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:21:31 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] oh, I almost forgot... Imprimatur! Imprimatur! Imprimatur! S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:35:13 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] the sleep gods have spoken! reading Naked Lunch when sleep deprived is pretty weird. it repeats itself - - the same paragraph will appear just a few pages later in the book. i thought for the longest time i was going crazy, and that it was just all starting to sounds the same to me. then i realized it wasn't me at all - the book actually does cycle. i'd love to know why, or how the paths are crossing. anyone know of a write up on this? as for Fear and Loathing - one of my all time favorite books! and the movie really did it justice. - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com - -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Mason [mailto:flamingo@rt66.com] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:18 PM To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the sleep gods have spoken! At 12:44 PM 6/21/01 -0700, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >>** Have a bedtime ritual for the last 30 minutes before you go to bed. >>Having a routine and calm breathing will help make you sleepy. Also, read a >>few pages of inspirational material just before turning out the light. > >Never read that one at bedtime! I know a couple who tried reading FEAR AND >LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS to each other in bed, though... As a lifelong insomniac, I've learned to always have a particularly boring book in my my bedside reading for those nights when only something really eye-glazing will put me out. INFINITE JEST is my current one--three pages and I'm out like a light. S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:59:05 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aube vs reed AND a moment of music Cardinal007@aol.com on 2001/06/21 Thu PM 02:00:23 MDT wrote: > John, I think what's being lost here between my question and your answers is > that you give a factual distinction, and a legal distinction, and I'm asking > for the logic. I'm not trying to imply something about Sharples or anything (wink wink), but personally I (at least) have trouble distinguishing between my face and my ass. > You correctly note that one is not allowed -- it's > unconstitutional. To the extent that it can have no imprimatur when the > republic rejects it as unconstitutional and won't allow it, I agree. But I > ask, if both were constitutional -- if both were happening -- what > distinctions can be made regarding the state imprimatur. That's what some > others addressed, and some very persuasively. I think the distinctions that can be made regarding the state imprimatur are BITE MY NADS, LAWYER-BOYS!! > I've always argued that condom distribution carries no real imprimatur, and > others have helped bolster my feeling with arguments. I've always argued that condom distribution can get a bit sticky. Have I mentioned yet how many condoms I found last week when I was doing the Adopt-A-Highway cleanup along I-70? > I always knew the > establishment clause, as interpreted, renders the question of imprimatur moot > by an irrebuttable presumption of unconstitutional imprimatur. That goes without saying. But what does everyone think about Rose McGowan replacing Shannen Doherty on Charmed? Which reminds me that boy is there one hellacious debate going on over the Marilyn Manson Ozzfest appearance in Denver today: http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_683710,00.html Oh, and how about the intense ATLANTIS = NADIA debate: http://www.zero-city.com/nadia/nadia_vs_atlantis.html > I wanted to explore the moot question. > "Moot" being, broadly defined, "for the sake of argument only." Which is my > joy on this list. One of the guys who played on our CD used to be in the band Moot. > By the way, for those who like crunch in their pop, Idlewild has reduced the > crunch, added a more "British 1980s" approach to their songs (not helpful, > but you might hear the new record and go "yeah"), and churned out a more > challenging and more interesting record than the first US release. It was > overpraised, IMHO, but it's well worth exploring if smooth is not always a > good word for you......... I assume you're talking about 100 BROKEN WINDOWS? I bought an import copy of that earlier this year after all the accolades in The Big Takeover, among other places. Decent little album, but you're right that it didn't quite live up to the hype. Later. --Rog (Information Specialists For Truth) - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:53:28 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More ways to spend money At 10:29 AM 01-06-21 -0500, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: >A heads up to anybody in the vicinity of Chicago: > >I went to the big Tower Records on Clark just south of Fullerton last night and >discovered a sale worth mention. It seems that Tower is overstocked on a bunch >of Sony product, and are blowing it out for $7.99 per title. Noteworthy stuff I >saw included most of Miles Davis's '60s output, including _Kind of Blue_, about >2/3 of the Dylan catalog, including crucial titles like _Highway 61 Revisited_ >and _Blonde on Blonde_, quality Springsteen titles _Darkness on the Edge of >Town_ and _Nebraska_, a whole bunch of Sly Stone stuff, and a whole boatload of >older jazz. These are not cutouts, just overstock. I have no idea if this is >chain wide, or if their website would be able to sell these, but a deal is a >deal, and theopolitical differences aside, I know how much we all love that. Be careful that they're not just blowing out old, pre-remaster stock on those jazz titles. The old titles are on just Columbia, Epic, etc, while the new ones are on Columbia/Legacy, etc. The old ones have a Columbia Jazz Masterpieces logo on the cover and a border around the artwork. The new versions have the original cover art, a text blurb on the back, and nearly everyone has bonus tracks. The sound on the new ones, along with the bonus tracks, new liner notes (along with the original ones), and bonus tracks make them definitely preferable to the old ones. Now if they'd just start that with the Bruce, Bob, Sly, etc. BTW, the BOC remasters (from Columbia/Legacy) of the first four studio CDs are great - out next Tuesday. Go great with that Rhino Handmade set of pre-BOC tracks. And I'm surprisingly digging the four early 80's Judas Priest augmented remasters. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:46:59 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oh, I almost forgot... lemur ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:56:24 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aube vs reed AND a moment of music But what does everyone think about Rose McGowan replacing Shannen Doherty on Charmed? <><><><><><> I think everyone should be replaced at least once. - --D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:50:59 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oh, I almost forgot... > lemur That's classified info! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:03:42 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More ways to spend money Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > I went to the big Tower Records on Clark just south of Fullerton last night and > discovered a sale worth mention. It seems that Tower is overstocked on a bunch > of Sony product, and are blowing it out for $7.99 per title. Noteworthy stuff I > saw included most of Miles Davis's '60s output, including _Kind of Blue_, about > 2/3 of the Dylan catalog, including crucial titles like _Highway 61 Revisited_ > and _Blonde on Blonde_, quality Springsteen titles _Darkness on the Edge of > Town_ and _Nebraska_, a whole bunch of Sly Stone stuff, and a whole boatload of > older jazz. These are not cutouts, just overstock. I have no idea if this is > chain wide, or if their website would be able to sell these, but a deal is a > deal, and theopolitical differences aside, I know how much we all love that. Every year, Tower has a chain-wide sale for different labels, where they sell catalog titles on Sony/Columbia, Capitol/EMI, or whatever for $7.99 a pop. Looks like they also do it through their web site. Check out http://www.towerrecords.com/promo/june/sony.asp ..for a list of titles. They're mostly the latest reissued and remastered versions, and a nice way to pick up new CDs for the price of used ones. I buy all kinds of stuff at these sales, and feel guilty about giving money to evil corporations, but satisfied about not giving them that much of it. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:02:14 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] oh, I almost forgot... >> lemur > >That's classified info! > Now that Joey's dead? Andy "Shigeru Mizuki, a Japanese veteran who lost an arm in combat, fears rearmament if Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's push to break with decades of official pacifism succeeds." - --photo caption on the front page of the New York Times website, the evening of June 19 (courtesy Stewart Mason) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:04:30 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] oh, I almost forgot... nah-uh. the word you're looking for is... capybara - -- brianna bradley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:17:06 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More ways to spend money Steve Holtebeck on 2001/06/21 Thu PM 04:03:42 MDT wrote: > They're mostly the latest reissued and remastered versions, and a nice > way to pick up new CDs for the price of used ones. I buy all kinds of > stuff at these sales, and feel guilty about giving money to evil > corporations, but satisfied about not giving them that much of it. How do we know when a corporation becomes evil and we should stop giving them money? I'd hate to have to put a watch on 125 Records or other companies that sell music I like. Is it Friday yet? Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:27:59 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: RE: [loud-fans] oh, I almost forgot... At 04:04 PM 6/21/01 -0700, bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: >nah-uh. the word you're looking for is... > > > > > > >capybara Capybaras eat juicy green plants! S PS: Imprimatur! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] More ways to spend money On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > > They're mostly the latest reissued and remastered versions, and a nice > > way to pick up new CDs for the price of used ones. I buy all kinds of > > stuff at these sales, and feel guilty about giving money to evil > > corporations, but satisfied about not giving them that much of it. > > How do we know when a corporation becomes evil and we should stop > giving them money? I'd hate to have to put a watch on 125 Records or > other companies that sell music I like. We know Tower are evil because they're trying to screw their suppliers over by paying them only once a year. There are a couple distributors in the Bay Area put out of business because Tower, their biggest customer, has decided not to pay in a timely fashion. J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:32:29 -0700 From: Cindy Alvarez Subject: RE: [loud-fans] oh, I almost forgot... >Capybaras eat juicy green plants! Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:55:01 -0700 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] TV Notes Did anyone catch Martin Short's new show on Comedy Central, Jiminy Glick? I'm not much of a Martin Short fan, but I thought the show was pretty darn funny. On a pseudo Scott note, the house band on the show features a guitar player who appears to use the same hairdresser as Scott. Also, I saw ELO on VH-1. I forgot how much I liked ELO back in the olden days. Again, Scott's hairdresser seems to be making the rounds. This time on Jeff Lynne. Doug S. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:07:23 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] church v state (no, there's no Scott here either...) JRT: ><may not promote certain philosophies. Of course it may! It just can't >promote any religions. Why are you and Clarence having so much trouble with >this?>> > >The answer could be that we weren't indoctrinated well enough during the >1960's. Or maybe that interpretation of the Constitution could be up for >debate in a free society. Look, Snookums, if you want to suggest that the clause "[the state] shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" (U.S. Const., Amd. I) may be reasonably interpreted to mean that public schools can host an evangelic and worshipping religious group, at taxpayer expense, be my guest--but I think my interpretation is pretty close to the original meaning, while yours seems pretty close to the antithesis. No one here suggests that a free society does not support your freedom to debate the issue. That's not the issue here. The issue is who has the better interpretation. Your argument seems to boil down to this: the non-establishment clause may rightly be twisted to the point that it has virtually no meaning, simply because the government espouses certain other, competing "philosophies." But Sugar Plum, doesn't EVERY government policy enacted promote a certain "philosophy?" Why does that mean that the Rehnquist Supreme Court may therefore effectively repeal the very first clause in the First Amendment? Isn't it the conservatives who are forever bemoaning judicial legislation? Card: if your question is "but what if both state imprimatur of religion and condom distribution were constitutional, what's the distinction?" then I guess I'd have to admit there is none. But that seems to entirely defeat the purpose of this debate, so I wonder where your question gets us. JS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:25:33 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: [loud-fans] Motherless Brooklyn (no imprimatur) One of my favorite things about my summer job with the City of New York is the fact that the Weird Guy From The Copying Center is almost always in the last stall of the men's room, methodically spinning the toilet paper spools, and talking softly to himself. Today I got close enough to make out what he was saying, as he was fumbling with some coins: "This should take care of it. This is all I have. I'll never be able to pay it back............it's Monday." He always flushes all the urinals on his way to the stall. My theory is he's afflicted with a kind of Tourettes/obsessive-compulsive disorder not unlike Lionel in the book MOTHERLESS BROOKLYN. Has anyone here read it? I thought it was brilliant. JS ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #136 *******************************