From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #127 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, June 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 127 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Lenola and some other great records.... [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] spitting on Ebert [Roger Winston ] [loud-fans] a fleshtones review [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] aube vs reed vs ? rou n d two (+ awful attemptatOTing) [C] Re: [loud-fans] spitting on Ebert ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] aube vs Ebert post-Skynyrd [Jon Tveite ] [loud-fans] Fw: Kerouac (being that we're on films anyway) [popanda@juno] Re: [loud-fans] Lenola and some other great records.... [popanda@juno.com] [loud-fans] Re: Fw: Kerouac (being that we're on films anyway) [popanda@] [loud-fans] movies / memorabilia [bbradley@namesecure.com] [loud-fans] From the country that brings you square watermelons [steve ] [loud-fans] best/worst movie [popanda@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] The coo-coo, she's a pretty bird ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] church v state (no, there's no Scott here either...) [ste] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:44:33 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lenola and some other great records.... I think these guys have been discussed on this list before, but just in case, I am really enjoying Lenola's new record, GIVE ME SOME LIFE. It is on File 13, a philly label that put out the recent Lilys EP. >>>>>>>>> This must be one of those wierd coincidences, as two days ago I picked up a used copy of one of their older albums, "My Invisible Name" and have been playing it obsessively ever since, with particular emphasis on track #6 "Round Sunday." I think that Steve's Lilys comparison is pretty apt, although Lenola seem a little poppier than the lilys were during ther Eccsame phase. I actually searched loud-fans for previous discussion, but found only an "np" by Mark and a passing reference by Jeff. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:14:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] spitting on Ebert JRT says: > The difference between "Henry" and "I Spit On Your > Grave"? Supercool detached victimization of women vs. > rapists depicted as horrific goddamn idiots. Good point. Somewhat in Ebert's defense, though, I pulled up his reviews of I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE, LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT and HENRY and found that one of his major criticisms of SPIT was that "these horrible events are shown with an absolute minimum of dialogue" and that "there is no attempt to develop the personalities of the characters." He also comments that the story "is told with moronic simplicity" and that "because it was made artlessly, it flaunts it's motives: There is no reason to see [it] except to be entertained by the sight to sadism and suffering." In his LAST HOUSE review, he praises director Wes Craven's ability to create dramatic tension, the natural, unmannered performances and "the fully developed sense of the vicious natures of the killers." HENRY, he said, "[dealt] honestly with the subject matter, instead of trying to sugar-coat violence as most 'slasher' films do." Not having seen any of these films (nor having any desire to), I can't say whether or not I see any distinction between the three but after finding some more SPIT reviews online (see http://us.imdb.com/Reviews/163/16360 for a review that is directly contrary to Ebert's) and found that some have praised the film for some of the same reasons that he approved of LAST HOUSE and HENRY for. Also, more recently, Ebert gave glowing reviews to SEVEN and THE CELL, two films which (imho) exploitively display gruesome and elaborate murders for nothing if not mass market entertainment. Jer np: Belle & Sebastian, SING...JONATHAN & DAVID ===== Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:47:21 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] spitting on Ebert Jer Fairall on 2001/06/15 Fri PM 02:14:30 MDT wrote: > ===== > Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. > http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Okay, Jer (& Sue & Tiger, etc.), I will! Hey, the top three overall "Buzz Leaders" are: 1) Angelina Jolie 2) Dragonball Z 3) Britney Spears Just hovering under are: 3402) Scott Miller 4178) Watermelon-flavored panties Ha ha - just kidding there. Those top three are real though. Man, who knew that so many people were doing web searches for Dragonball Z? I think we should all try to skew the results. Everyone go to Yahoo right now and do a search on "ebert censorship". And also "realdoll". Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:57:50 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: [loud-fans] a fleshtones review a friend of mine in michigan saw the fleshtones last night, and i thought some of you might like to hear what she had to say about the show. ____________________ Ok, Heres the Tones report. It was at the Magic Stick downtown. We usually call it the Magic Stink because of all the smoke but the crowd was small last night so it remained fairly smoke free. The first band was a cross between Social Distortion and Rev. Horton Heat but with stupid lyrics and less talent. The next band was called Them Ranch and I think they were buds of the Tones. (First dudes were local I think.) They were in a garage rock vein but not too bad. Too bad they didnt play as long as the sucky guys. Next the Fleshtones were up. They had a newer bass player but the original drummer plus Peter and Keith of course. (Keith still wears the groovy cap.) They played almost all new material- which sounded remarkably like their old material! (I think they only played about 3 songs I knew. "The Way I Feel" and 2 others I cant think of the names of, sorry!) Pete was doing lots of little dance moves plus moving from organ to harmonica. I was impressed when he played both at once. Keith was a maniac- he did the most hopping on and off stage but they all did. Once Keith played a solo standing on a railing around one of the areas with tables! Impressive that he didnt fall off. Must be the gripping power of Beatle boots. Near the end they were all (except the drummer) standing on the bar after dancing in a line off stage. They continued to play during all these offstage ventures thanks to those wireless microphone thingies. It was kind of weird to see them in the back of the room at the bar while the sound was still coming from the front off the stage! Almost forgot they did a cover of "Communication Breakdown". Keith sang that one. His shrill voice was actually suited for imitating Bob Plant but as a rule they shouldnt let him near a mic! He was telling the (mulleted) sound dude to crank up the echoplex during the end of the Zep number! So all in all they were very entertaining. I dont know if the new stuff is as strong as their older stuff but damn they were sure working hard at selling it! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:02:40 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aube vs reed vs ? rou n d two (+ awful attemptatOTing) In a message dated 6/15/01 3:23:08 PM, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com writes: >Don't they have a church to meet in? Did somebody burn it ot the ground >or >something? I didn't know that churches tolerated evangelists. I confess I'm not up to date on this Christian business, though ........... A new question, though: With the Establishment Clasue of Am. I, I now this question is moot. But Query: Why do some people attack intertwining of church and state(such as allowing church groups) on the basis of the intertwining creating an imprimatur of state approval of religion, while they decry an argument that distributing condoms and realistically discussing teen sexuality creates an imprimatur of state approval of the current brand of teen sexuality? Before I hear about my Republican roots, or my ties to the Klan, let's also account this way: (1) I know some of the differences, I want to hear lots more from you; and (2) I know many of us support the distribution of condoms, and frank and realistic sexual education. But that shouldn't change the logic. Also, assume the church group isn't evangelical, just interested in sharing their Christianity/Islam/Buddhism/satanic worship. O rignore the whole bloody question. It IS the weekend, and the Idlewild record IS good....... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:16:48 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] spitting on Ebert >I think we should all try to skew the results. Everyone go to Yahoo right now and do a search on "ebert censorship". And also "realdoll". Don't forget MANOS: THE HANDS OF FATE. And depleted uranium. And Mother. And God. Andy "I know that I'm supposed to be tortured and upset and profoundly disturbed to have been raised by an alcoholic parent. But I'm not. Growing up with Dad was a blast. The man could party. You never knew what was going to happen next. Some mornings you would wake up and find the milk in the freezer and the dog on the roof. He told great stories, he played pranks, he made late-night junk food runs. He's been gone for a decade now, and as much as I might try, it's very hard for me to remember the bad times. I should be a mess of resentment, anger, hostility, neurosis. But I'm not. Maybe it's because my memories aren't of tirades and drunken fits but of how much I loved a great, silly, fun, bighearted man. The truth is that I had a better relationship with him than many of my friends did with their sober fathers. Would I trade that to have him back? Of course. Still, I look back at that time with fondness and appreciation rather than with pain and regret." - --Paul J. Williams, from http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2001/06/15/drunk_dad/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:23:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jon Tveite Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aube vs Ebert post-Skynyrd On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > As a conservative, I try to judge people as individuals. Therefore, > any past statements should have only asserted that JSharple dislikes > uppity Negroes. Is this meant to imply that non-conservatives don't judge people as individuals? If so, I guess you're not trying all that hard. I think it's wrong for people to criticize Thomas for having politics that are atypical of his race. Besides, it wastes time that could be spent pointing out that he's a dim bulb with no discernable legal principles of his own. A lot of people just call him "Scalia's second vote", and I think that's pretty accurate. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:05:50 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Fw: Kerouac (being that we're on films anyway) Dear support group, It has been a trying day , but I decided to leave my fetal position, blow out the candles in my Morrissey shrine, switch-off the stereo with Belle and Sebastian's TIGERMILK on repeat, make "baby steps" towards the computer and catch up on my 140 something list posts. This is from a friend whom I mentioned before that has made a feature length film, and he's trying to get it out there and spread the word. He showed part of it at Sploeto in Charleston this year, and he's showing it anywhere he can for exposure. Here is Jeff's e-mail address, and you can check out the film's website at findingjackkerouac.com. Baby steps towards the mouse to click send.... - -Mark - ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "grmars" Mark- Info and a favor request. Finding Jack Kerouac will screen at Coffee Underground on Fri June 29 @ 7 & 9pm and Sat June 30 @ 7 & 9 pm and Sun July 1 @ 6pm Tickets are a mere $4!!!!! Do you think you could vouch for me and spread the word to everyone you know? Hope to see you and lots of friends there. Thanks. Also- We've been accepted to the NY International Independent Film and Video Festival. As part of this Fest we will screen in LA in July and NY in Sept. I was wondering if you knew people in LA? Any of those Loud music people out there? If so ( and if you want to) I can get you advance ticket info for you to pass along via email. Let me know if you can or will. Thanks Mark. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:46:53 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lenola and some other great records.... I agree with you wholeheartedly on the new Lenola record. Most Loud-fans should enjoy this thoroughly. I've been singing the Kings' many praises for quite some time, though I think their release on Kindercore was better than their latest. I think the new Air is boring. It ain't no MOON SAFARI. I gave it a listen in the store and it didn't grab me at all. I don't think they can recreate, or want to recreate that sad funk vibe they had with MOON SAFARI again. They seem to go with a groove, and then it isn't duplicable again, like the VIRGIN SUICIDES sountrack. The band said they couldn't do that live. M On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:08:03 EDT DOUDIE@aol.com writes: > I think these guys have been discussed on this list before, but just > in case, > I am really enjoying Lenola's new record, GIVE ME SOME LIFE. It is > on File > 13, a philly label that put out the recent Lilys EP. > > Lilys fan should snap this up, they sound like Eccsame period Lilys > with > Michael Quercio singing lead. I suppose Three O' Clock fans should > pick this > up too. Those comparisons are a bit pointless since they have a > very > original sounds. > > I am hoping to book a show for them, Tris McCall, and the Negatones > (an > awesome Brooklyn band I have begun to manage) at Maxwell's sometime > in late > August so stay tuned. > > Also currently in constant rotation are the Spoon CD, GIRLS CAN > TELL, > Laptop's OPENING CREDITS (fans of Sammy's TALES OF GREAT NECK GLORY > should > snap this up, though this is way more 80's/John Hughes sounding). > Kings of > Convenience's QUIET IS THE NEW LOUD is definitely worth owning, > especially > for hungry Belle and Sebastian fans. Lastly, any Richard Davies > fans out > there who never bought the Moles reissue of UNTUNE THE SKY snap it > up before > it goes out of print. I will now swear by every record Davies has > been > involved with as indispensible. > > Anyone else feel cheap that they bought the new Air record? > > Cheerio. > > Steve Matrick > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:20:12 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Fw: Kerouac (being that we're on films anyway) On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:05:50 -0400 writes: He showed part of it at Sploeto in Charleston this year Uh, make that Spoleto. It's an arts festival for those who may not know. M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:27:53 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: [loud-fans] movies / memorabilia speaking of good and bad movies: http://secure.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/sideshow/cgi/web_store.cgi?pag e=12figures/holy_grail.html&cart_id=4655483_21768# - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:56:40 -0500 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] From the country that brings you square watermelons On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 03:47 PM, Roger Winston wrote: > Man, who knew that so many people were doing web searches for Dragonball > Z? How else are they going to find cool desktop pictures of Android 18, Future Trunks, or Goku with wings and halo? - - Steve __________ It is one thing for a software company to hype a product and then fail to deliver; it is another when the failure concerns nuclear weapons, for which "vaporware" takes on a whole new, literal meaning. - The Editors of Scientific American, on SDI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:05:11 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aube vs Ebert post-Skynyrd On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 04:23 PM, Jon Tveite wrote: > I think it's wrong for people to criticize Thomas for having politics that > are atypical of his race. Besides, it wastes time that could be spent > pointing out that he's a dim bulb with no discernable legal principles of > his own. A lot of people just call him "Scalia's second vote", and I > think that's pretty accurate. Can't we all just agree that the guy is a nutjob? He thought that he was under demonic attack during the confirmation hearings. - - Steve __________ No previous administration has tried to sell its economic plans on such false pretenses. And this from a man who ran for president on a promise to restore honor and integrity to our nation's public life. - Paul Krugman, on Bush, from his book Fuzzy Math. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:15:55 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] best/worst movie Thinking about it, the best movie ever made was "Annie Hall" for me (quelle surprise). The worst would be anything involving Burt Reynolds and a fast car. A pleasant weekend to all. - -Mark np Ashley Park "The American Scene" (I don't like doing all caps on titles and am stopping the practice...it's like I'm yelling or stressing something) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:27:34 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The coo-coo, she's a pretty bird >>"Sumer is icumen in, >> Lhude sing cuccu!" >> >>--"Cuckoo Song," circa 1225 Hey Tim, you (or somebody else here) might know--any relation between the song above and the "Coo Coo Bird" song as recorded by Clarence Ashley, available on the ANTHOLOGY OF AMERCIAN FOLK MUSIC? The Howard Sounes biography of Bob Dylan, which I've returned to the library, mentioned the extensive ancestry of many folk songs and the occasional oddity attendant to their trans-Atlantic migration. The cuckoo, according to Sounes, is not native to North America, so Ashley, and other Appalachian singers, most likely never set eyes on the bird they sung of. >"Winter is icumen in, > Lhude sing goddam!" "That...uh...that's not REAL, is it?" Got the Tim Buckley set yet? Andy ASSOCIATED PRESS WEST PALM BEACH, Fla., June 15  Two parents have sued Sony Pictures, claiming the studio falsely marketed its comedy The Animal to youths. James and Ana Morris claim Sony failed to adequately warn moviegoers of scenes involving human and animal sexual acts that are inappropriate for children to see. THE FLORIDA COUPLE filed the lawsuit against Sony Pictures Thursday in Palm Beach County Circuit Court. It seeks $15,000 to $75,000 in compensatory and punitive damages. The parents said they took their twin 13-year-old sons and 10-year-old daughter to see the movie on June 3. James Morris said the movie, starring Rob Schneider as a man who receives transplanted animal organs, should have been rated R instead of PG-13. I expected perhaps language, said Morris, of Loxahatchee. I certainly didnt expect to have thrown at us references and innuendoes to bestiality. We continue to stretch the bounds of what our kids can absorb, he said. Sony spokesman Steve Hagey declined comment on the lawsuit, which also alleges that Sony deceived moviegoers with an ad containing praise from a phony film critic. The ad quotes nonexistent film critic David Manning as saying The producing team of Big Daddy has delivered another winner! Sony has expressed regret over the deception and suspended two executives last week for 30 days without pay. [--from http://www.msnbc.com/news/587824.asp?pne=msn ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:15:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aube vs Ebert post-Skynyrd On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, steve wrote: > On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 04:23 PM, Jon Tveite wrote: > > > I think it's wrong for people to criticize Thomas for having politics that > > are atypical of his race. Besides, it wastes time that could be spent > > pointing out that he's a dim bulb with no discernable legal principles of > > his own. A lot of people just call him "Scalia's second vote", and I > > think that's pretty accurate. > > Can't we all just agree that the guy is a nutjob? He thought that he was > under demonic attack during the confirmation hearings. We might also mention the absurd hypocrisy under which he was appointed: Bush Sr. claimed Thomas's race was of no relevance...and yet if that was so, what *was* it that recommended him as a replacement for T. Marshall? His judicial record was utterly undistinguished; he had very low ratings among his colleagues; and to claim, as he did (if I recall), that he had no particular opinion on one of the day's major social and judicial questions (abortion rights) ought to have disqualified him off the bat - either for being dishonest or incompetent. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:32:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] church v state (no, there's no Scott here either...) On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 Cardinal007@aol.com wrote: > Query: Why do some people attack intertwining of church and state(such as > allowing church groups) on the basis of the intertwining creating an > imprimatur of state approval of religion, while they decry an argument that > distributing condoms and realistically discussing teen sexuality creates an > imprimatur of state approval of the current brand of teen sexuality? > > (2) I know many of us support the distribution of condoms, and frank and > realistic sexual education. But that shouldn't change the logic. Also, > assume the church group isn't evangelical, just interested in sharing their > Christianity/Islam/Buddhism/satanic worship. Well, let's see: First, of course, there's nothing in the Constitution about Congress and birth control. Second, distributing condoms does not endorse any particular opinion or practice concerning sexuality - whereas unless a group is specifically ecumenical and is set up as a dialogue amongs Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and Satanists, say, the use by Religion X of school facilities does implicitly endorse Religion X over Religion Y (who are not granted use of those facilities). I'm not sure that "evangelism" has anything to do with it: the idea seems to be that the state and its agents should not favor any particular religion over another, not that favoring a religion that doesn't proselytize is okay. Or maybe I'm missing something - since I don't see how the analogy really stands up at all. One could argue, in fact, that distributing condoms under the auspices of a sexual education class is little different from a school nurse dispensing aspirin or bandages. "Current...teen sexuality" too often doesn't include the use of birth control - so how is the state 'endorsing" that current sexuality by explaining and promoting the use of birth control? (Cue European statistics re birth control use vs. pctg. of unwanted pregnancies, etc. - compare to US) I suppose it goes without saying, also, that generally the aim of religious groups is to get people interested in their religion (otherwise, why publicize their meetings to anyone *not* already in the group?) - the interest of those distributing condoms is not usually getting people interested in sex (if only because that would be redundant). Ultimately, Dennis M's question is the best one: why don't the groups use their own facilities? Why do they insist on having a presence in the schools at all? I think ultimately this comes down to the fact that parents want schools to be parents for them - and therefore anything parents would like to do (but don't have time, knowledge, or inclination to do) they want schools to do for them. But spiritual issues are both explicitly *not* what public schools are for, and what churches, synagogues, etc. *are* explicitly for. The public good (which is what sexual education falls under) is one thing public schools are for - thus the place for sex ed in those schools. Can there be any question that in *most* public schools, far more pressure is placed on students to be "religious" than to be atheist? (Look at the numbers, for a start...) College-educated intellectuals (most of us here) forget that trendy atheism is rare outside our little circle, at least in the US. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:32:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] advisory when's the last time you went out to see some bands, and caught a set so jaw-droppingly good that you just want to run around grabbing random people on the street, on an e-mail list, whatever, and saying "you have GOT to go see this band??" for me, a couple hours ago. gloria deluxe. apparently they're from new york, currently touring midatlantic states. the blender approach: the 'southern gothic' of 16 horsepower with the compelling pacing, incisive lyrics, and very nearly the vocal chops. of danielle howle? something like that. oh, and killer harmonies -- weirdly reminiscent of x, but i bet nobody hears that but me. also features saw providing notes, not merely atmosphere. - -- d. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:21:32 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] church v state (no, there's no Scott here either...) On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 11:32 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Ultimately, Dennis M's question is the best one: why don't the groups use > their own facilities? Why do they insist on having a presence in the > schools at all? The specific purpose of the Good News Club is to convert 6 to 14 year old children to their version of protestant fundamentalist (I bet) Christianity. That's why they want to be in the schools immediately after class ends - that's where the kids are. Permission slips are required from parents, but I doubt they spell out exactly what the group is about. The superintendent of the school district in question said their likely reaction to the decision would be to not allow any non-school related activities until 5PM or later. The other option would be to disallow them completely. - - Steve __________ The Bush administration is considering a crash effort to put into place a rudimentary missile defense system before the end of President Bush's current term in 2004, according to administration officials and a presentation by a major defense contractor. - - Steven Mufson & Mary Pat Flaherty, Washington Post ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #127 *******************************