From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #121 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, June 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 121 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] branca, clientele (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] RE: [loud-fans] eight drivers in the kudzu [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] [loud-fans] It was... [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] Re: [loud-fans] branca, clientele (ns) [=?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] It was... ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever [Matthew Weber ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever [LeftyZ@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] I failed the Rorschach test [popanda@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever ["John Sharples" ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever ["John Sharples" ] Re: [loud-fans] It was... ["John Sharples" ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever ["Andrew Hamlin" ] RE: [loud-fans] eight drivers in the kudzu [bbradley@namesecure.com] [loud-fans] Fw: Now: Razz, man, they rocked!!!!! ["John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever >Evolution Hm...I usually pick from WIZARDS, STRAIGHT TO HELL, LOVE STORY, BATMAN FOREVER, and MOMENT BY MOMENT when filling in this category--MANOS THE HANDS OF FATE excluded strictly speaking, because of course it is simultaneously the Greatest Movie Ever Made and the Worst Movie Ever Made, filling the center of the cinematic universe much like Azathoh's slime shines from the center of the Lovecraftian multiverse. I confess, however, that I haven't seen EVOLUTION. Can you be...more specific? Andy "Nearly 30 years ago Don DeLillo began one of his early novels with an uncanny prophecy: 'Perhaps the only natural law attaching to true fame is that the famous man is compelled, eventually, to commit suicide. (Is it clear I was a hero of rock 'n' roll?)' So far, Radiohead has been unwilling to take up the mantle. Instead of offering a sacrifice we no longer want, they offer a hope we no longer expect " - --Alex Abramovich, from http://slate.msn.com/culturebox/entries/01-06-08_109743.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:52:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Vallor wrote: > Evolution haven't seen it - but I hear _Battlefield Earth_ puts up some very intense competition in this category. Speaking of utterly stupid John Travolta hairstyles, what's with the "Little Dutch Boy after a swirlie" look in _Swordfish_...not to mention that very peculiar little thatch of hair on his chin? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach":: __William Gass__ last movie seen: _Flirt_ (Hal Hartley) on video ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:56:36 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, at 02:19 AM, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > I confess, however, that I haven't seen EVOLUTION. > > Can you be...more specific? It's actually a remake of Ghostbusters. It would be interesting to do a shot by shot comparison. - - Steve __________ "...if you're having a hard time deciding whether you're actually talking to your best friend or a giant bug from the Proxima system wearing a mask of your best friend - you're having a phildickian moment." - K.W. Jeter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:29:47 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] branca, clientele (ns) Because he came up recently, and because of the fact that we all hate pop and love experimental music, it seems worth mentioning (for NYC area loud-fans) that Glenn Branca will be performing his Symphony #13 for 100 guitars tonight, for free, at the World Trade Center at 7:00pm. Given the acoustics of that space, it should be pretty mind blowing. I'll be there, despite the fact that I only got about five hours of sleep last night, because I was out late seeing... The Clientele. going into the show, I was expecting something very delicate and hazy, and a room filled with tall, thin, shy boys with glasses and the girls who love them. I was fairly mistaken. First off, as glenn properly noted in his review, it's not about a group so much as one person. The trio would much more appropriately be called "Alasdair Maclean and the Clientele" which is how their writing credits are noted. I'm sure that the bass player and drummer are wonderful, in that Ringo Starr stay-out-of-the-way sense, but they may as well have been standing behind a curtain. What transfixed everyone was Alisdair who does not use a pick but manages to play enough guitar to cover both the lead and the rhythm roles, while simultaneously singing with much more presence than I would have imagined from listening to the echoey thin sound on the CD. I suspect that the band has tightened up/gotten louder since glenn saw them. There was never a moment where I worried about audience conversations drowning out the music. And, while the middle of the concert was filled with pretty soft songs, they opened and closed as a, gasp, rock band. In particular, the final song of the main set (there was an encore) was "I had to say this" which is the first song on their singles compilation "Suburban Light." But, where the recorded version goes into a vaguely trippy, backwards guitar section, the live one simply explodes into an astonishingly powerful groove over which Alisdair pulled a Thurston Moore of pretty startling proportions, especially given that he wasn't using a pick. Anyone walking in at that moment would probably have assumed that they had come on the wrong night. It was one of the more astonishing live performances that I've seen. Suffice it to say that Alisdair Maclean is much more talented and charismatic than you might expect, and the word "twee" didn't seem the slightest bit appropriate. I like the Clientele's recordings, but live they pick up a power that's a little bit startling: the guy has the voice and the talent (he is a *really* good guitar player) to be a star in the real world, not just in the indie ghetto. I'm not clear on the extent of this tour, but I'd highly, highly recommend checking them out if at all possible. The opener, BTW, was a thin blond woman from NJ with a bunch of guys backing her up. I never managed to catch her name, and I can't seem to find a copy of the Knitting Factory's schedule, but I'm hoping that Andrea might know who it was. She seemed to combine parts of Liz Phair and parts of the Feelies in a very nice way. - --dana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:17:54 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] eight drivers in the kudzu First Jeff: <><><><><> Oh, I didn't mishear that myself, I misread it in a book for which I paid full retail price because I was trying to figure out how to play the song and couldn't. Now brianna: Marezy Dotes and Dozey Dotes and little Lambsy Divey a kiddle dee divey too, wouldn't you? <><><><><><><><><><> You're close - the last two words should be "wooden shoe". you'll have to speak louder I've got beans in my ears, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:30:28 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] It was... I'm informed that the mystery woman at the clientele show was Annie Hayden. Her reviews are here: http://www.anniehayden.com/news.htm#A Since her album was recorded on a VS-880 it might be wise to catch her live (not to diss a piece of recording equipment that I own, but...) Notwithstanding that, I haven't actually heard the album, so maybe it sounds great. Sounds like she'd be a treat for the Phair/Mann set. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:19:47 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever First, Dan nominates: >Evolution Then, Andy writes in: Hm...I usually pick from WIZARDS, STRAIGHT TO HELL, LOVE STORY, BATMAN FOREVER, and MOMENT BY MOMENT when filling in this category--MANOS THE HANDS OF FATE excluded strictly speaking, because of course it is simultaneously the Greatest Movie Ever Made and the Worst Movie Ever Made, filling the center of the cinematic universe much like Azathoh's slime shines from the center of the Lovecraftian multiverse. <><><><><><><><> Neither of you have seen Blood Sucking Freaks, have you? It's easily the worst movie I've ever seen, and very probably worse than the 35,000 movies that came out this or any other year that I haven't. crazy straws will never seem the same again, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:52:43 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: Re: [loud-fans] branca, clientele (ns) Dana L Paoli wrote: > The opener, BTW, was a thin blond woman from NJ with a bunch of guys > backing her up. I never managed to catch her name. She seemed to combine > parts of Liz Phair and parts of the Feelies in a very nice way. Her name didn't happen to be McGill, eh? ;) Toodlepip, - -Stef Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:53:47 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Fwd: [loud-fans] worst movie ever >> Evolution > > > Hm...I usually pick from WIZARDS, STRAIGHT TO HELL, LOVE STORY, BATMAN > FOREVER, and MOMENT BY MOMENT when filling in this category--MANOS THE > HANDS > OF FATE excluded The worst movies ever made are: Devils Advocate (never spend 2:15 of a 2:30 movie setting up a plot point that is given away by the title of the movie) Lost in Space (The title was the only thing I could comprehend about the plot). Phantom Menace would probably make a top 20 list of worst ever movies. I'm usually a lot more forgiving of bad small movies than bad blockbusters. Bad due to incompetence is more acceptable than bad due to idiocy. Chris who is still kind of looking forward to checking Evolution out, unless I get convinced otherwise. np: Lumen, with the long pretentious title that escapes me right now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:59:49 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever >Neither of you have seen Blood Sucking Freaks, have you? It's easily the worst >movie I've ever seen, and very probably worse than the 35,000 movies that came >out this or any other year that I haven't. Saw one scene from BLOOD SUCKING FREAKS. The dwarf, the paddle, and the guillotine. I'll just leave it at that, Andy "You can't be singing that stuff around us. We're trying to have a good day." - --a member of the gospel group the Campbell Brothers to Otis Taylor, after Taylor performed for them his song "3 Days And 3 Nights"; as quoted by Michael Roberts at http://www.westword.com/issues/2001-02-01/music.html . "3 Days And 3 Nights" appears on Taylor's 2001 release, WHITE AFRICAN. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:51:38 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever At 11:19 AM 6/13/2001 -0500, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: >Neither of you have seen Blood Sucking Freaks, have you? It's easily the >worst >movie I've ever seen, and very probably worse than the 35,000 movies that came >out this or any other year that I haven't. > Close, but not quite. BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA is the worst movie ever. MB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:17:41 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] It was... >Since her album was recorded on a VS-880 it might be wise to catch her >live (not to diss a piece of recording equipment that I own, but...) >Notwithstanding that, I haven't actually heard the album, so maybe it >sounds great. I don't know this particular gizmo. Details? If ProTools is a 10 and a tin can is a 1... Andy "I shall light a candle of understanding in thine heart, which shall not be put out." - --Apocrypha, II Esdras, XIV, 25 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:52:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Michael Bowen wrote: > Close, but not quite. BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA is the worst movie ever. No sir, I'm afraid not. Also, must defend against the imprecations of the esteemed Mr. Hamlin Alex Cox's _Straight to Hell_. I have no idea why, but I find that movie very funny. I mean, yes, Courtney Love is shriller than hell - but the character's supposed to be. Plus, there's Elvis Costello's performance as Hives, the butler. And many Yugos. And Karl's Disco Wiener Haven! What's not to like? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, realizing there might well be another movie called "Straight to Hell" J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::To be the center of the universe, don't orbit things:: __Scott Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:19:04 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] It was... On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Andrew Hamlin wrote: > >Since her album was recorded on a VS-880 it might be wise to catch her > >live (not to diss a piece of recording equipment that I own, but...) > >Notwithstanding that, I haven't actually heard the album, so maybe it > >sounds great. > > I don't know this particular gizmo. Details? > > If ProTools is a 10 and a tin can is a 1... I'm sorta in the middle of recording an EP on its slightly more capable cousin, the VS-1680. They're both all-in one boxes that combine a mixer, a (digital) recorder, and effects (of varying degrees of cheesiness). The VS-880 is prolly just swell for doing a demo & some "real" records have been done on 1680's which says something about necessity, the mother of invention, and true talent shining through. I'd rather stick with 1/2" 8track. If I only had a 1/2" 8 track. - -- d. np Lucinda WIlliams, _Essence_ ...wondering what Sharples finds not to like, (or doesn't like to find?) as so far the title track and 'I envy the Wind' are knockouts. imneho. helluva lot better than _amnesiac_, anyhoo. even if it's clearly music. ;) = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:39:07 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever At 12:52 PM 6/13/2001 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Michael Bowen wrote: > >> Close, but not quite. BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA is the worst movie ever. > >No sir, I'm afraid not. Jeff Ditto #1: I think this movie is a mediocre mess, but the gorgeous sets, nekkid Sadie Frost, pre-bony Winona, Brides of Dracula, and a bug-eating Tom Waits are strengths that can't be overlooked, even if Coppola inexplicably turned Dracula into the Minister of Silly Hairstyles. >Also, must defend against the imprecations of the esteemed Mr. Hamlin Alex >Cox's _Straight to Hell_. I have no idea why, but I find that movie very >funny. I mean, yes, Courtney Love is shriller than hell - but the >character's supposed to be. > >Plus, there's Elvis Costello's performance as Hives, the butler. And many >Yugos. And Karl's Disco Wiener Haven! > >What's not to like? Jeff Ditto #2: All that, plus it's Pogue-infested! Again, what's not to like? later, Miles, who often walks by the "William Walker, 'Grey-Eyed Man of Destiny'" historical marker during lunch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:42:23 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] branca, clientele (ns) In a message dated 6/13/01 10:39:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dana-boy@juno.com writes: > The opener, BTW, was a thin blond woman from NJ with a bunch of guys > backing her up. I never managed to catch her name, and I can't seem to > find a copy of the Knitting Factory's schedule, but I'm hoping that > Andrea might know who it was. She seemed to combine parts of Liz Phair > and parts of the Feelies in a very nice way. > > I'll see what I can do, I'm not sure who it is eatiehr. Sounds good though. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:50:51 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Fwd: [loud-fans] worst movie ever On the other hand, Chris Prew offered: >The worst movies ever made are: > >Devils Advocate (never spend 2:15 of a 2:30 movie setting up a plot >point that is given away by the title of the movie) Melissa, Tim Pintsch, and I first saw the DEVIL'S ADVOCATE trailer before a screening of L.A. CONFIDENTIAL; our guffaws at the preview drew a number of surprised looks from our fellow moviegoers. When we finally saw DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, it was even more unintentionally funny than we had suspected. Didn't Pacino try to spin it ex post facto as a "black comedy" in a vain attempt to save face? Actually Pacino wasn't too much more over the top in DA than he was in his Best Actor-winning role in SCENT OF A WOMAN. Oh, wait, he was playing a blind guy in that one, so that must have been a good performance. PHANTOM MENACE exceeded our very low expectations. That's pretty far from saying it was a good movie, though. Anyone else want to call Liam Neeson's character "Mah Jongg?" HOOOOOO-HAH!, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:14:23 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] branca, clientele (ns) > I suspect that [the Clientele] has tightened up/gotten louder since > glenn saw them. I just saw them for the second time in Cambridge Sunday night, and indeed they were a lot more aggressive than when I saw them at the Milky Way months back. Maybe a little less arresting overall, at least for me, but the guitar solo on one of the new songs was even more astonishing than the shorter one on "I Had to Say This". I'm not sure I've ever heard one non-synth instrument sound as much like another one as Alasdair made his guitar sound like steel drums. The one really disconcerting thing for me was that I literally did not recognize Alasdair. I don't know if he's put on weight, or changed his hair, or what, but a piece of my brain spent the whole concert struggling to understand how this guy I'd clearly never seen before could have learned to do such an uncanny impersonation of the other guy I saw the first time. Unless this weird confusion happens to everybody every time they see the band again, though, I stick by my opinion that the Clientele are going to be huge. Dump, on the other hand, was dull. And why put out an entire record of Prince covers and tour behind it and then only play one of them (and one of the obscurer ones, at that)? "Play the hits", somebody yelled ruefully, towards the end. I consoled myself by remembering that tonight I'm going to see Mike Peters, armed only with an acoustic guitar and a tattered notebook, attempt to perform every song the Alarm ever recorded. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:14:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] It was... On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, dmw wrote: > helluva lot better than _amnesiac_, anyhoo. even if it's clearly music. music? man, i love music. i'll have to check Lucinda out. maybe i missed some discussion of it a while back, but i was listening to Jon Brion's _Meaningless_ again yesterday, and though the occasional lyric goes horribly awry i like the album a lot. i'm not just saying that because it exceeded my expectations for power pop, for records by people known better as producers, and for records by the former significant others of successful songwriters. has he actually sung prominent vocal parts on one of Aimee's albums that i've forgotten? Meaningless all sounds very familiar, albeit in a good way. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:21:25 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever In a message dated 6/13/01 10:08:39 AM, zoom@speakeasy.org writes: << Saw one scene from BLOOD SUCKING FREAKS. The dwarf, the paddle, and the guillotine. I'll just leave it at that>> No wonder you didn't enjoy the film. You obviously turned off the VCR before that scene got to the oral sex. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:32:24 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever At 03:21 PM 6/13/01 -0400, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 6/13/01 10:08:39 AM, zoom@speakeasy.org writes: > ><< Saw one scene from BLOOD SUCKING FREAKS. The dwarf, the paddle, and the > >guillotine. I'll just leave it at that>> > >No wonder you didn't enjoy the film. You obviously turned off the VCR before >that scene got to the oral sex. Thank you for avoiding the phrase "giving head." oops, Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley Teach him what has been said in the past; then he will set a good example to the children of the magistrates, and judgment and all exactitude shall enter into him. Speak to him, for there is none born wise. Ptahhotpe (Twenty-fourth century B.C.), _The Maxims of Ptahhotpe_ [c. 2350 B.C.], introduction ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:47:52 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: Fwd: [loud-fans] worst movie ever Miles sez: When we finally saw DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, it was even more unintentionally funny than we had suspected. Didn't Pacino try to spin it ex post facto as a "black comedy" in a vain attempt to save face? Actually Pacino wasn't too much more over the top in DA than he was in his Best Actor-winning role in SCENT OF A WOMAN. Oh, wait, he was playing a blind guy in that one, so that must have been a good performance. <><><><><><><> Yeah, Pacino sure has aged into a big glazed ham. During the climactic scene that tobacco indistry whistle blower flick by Michael Mann (blanking on the title presently) where Pacino self righteously tells off the upper management of the network, prompting Christopher Plummer to switch to his side, I quipped to my friend Jonathan, "Method acting," to which he replied' "Yeah, he's dredging up real life experience; this is how he yells at his wife." this whole list is out of order, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:52:33 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever JRT, then Matt Weber: >No wonder you didn't enjoy the film. You obviously turned off the VCR before >that scene got to the oral sex. Thank you for avoiding the phrase "giving head." <><><><><><><><> No, that's Reanimator. - --D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:19:45 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] It was... In a message dated 6/13/01 3:28:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, aaron@eecs.harvard.edu writes: > has he actually sung prominent vocal > parts on one of Aimee's albums that i've forgotten? > Not really. You'll hear him in the background sometimes, but nothing major. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:40:14 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] title of thread must change! On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > No, that's Reanimator. If we're going to talk about that one, the 'worst movie' tag must go! - -- d. "I learned all I need to know about love from Fields of the Nephilim" = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:10:42 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever Andy wrote > Hm...I usually pick from WIZARDS, STRAIGHT TO HELL, LOVE STORY, BATMAN > FOREVER, and MOMENT BY MOMENT when filling in this category Andy, how many times do we have to go over this? I still think you're confusing BATMAN FOREVER with BATMAN & ROBIN. Yes, BATMAN FOREVER was bad, but at least it had Nicole Kidman. BATMAN & ROBIN, which followed, is truly one of the most awful movies of all time. It will be interesting to see what Darron Aronfosky (PI, REQUIEM FOR A DREAM) does with BATMAN: YEAR ONE. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:27:49 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever Andy, then JRT << Saw one scene from BLOOD SUCKING FREAKS. The dwarf, the paddle, and the guillotine. I'll just leave it at that>> No wonder you didn't enjoy the film. You obviously turned off the VCR before that scene got to the oral sex. <><><><><><><><> I forced myself to sit through the whole thing. It wasn't the sleaze or the gore that prompted me to nominate it for Worst Ever (the sleaze and the gore were the reason I watched it in the first place). It's simply so boring that sitting through it prompted everyone watching to identify with the victim in the "dentist" scene, but not out of empathy. And I mentioned Reanimator because of the visual pun, not because it's a nominee for the thread title. Reanimator is a great movie. Didn't mean to confuse anyone. like pulling teeth, - --D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:36:45 EDT From: LeftyZ@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever F/X2 no contest ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:04:23 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I failed the Rorschach test > > Maybe you and Mark can form a support group. > > > > - --dana > > > > > > > I thought we were Mark's support group? > > Granted, the quality of care he's been receiving leaves a little to > be > desired, but what do you want for nothing? > > > Doug S. ROFL! Yes, I may be a tad psychotic, but I'm really quite harmless. Children and animals love me (now don't be a perv and go somewhere with this, though I did leave myself wide open) Now I'm thinking of the Woody Allen joke from "Annie Hall" where Alvie, when asked if he has been seeing a psychiatrist for the past fifteen years, says, "Yes, and I'm making excellent progress. Pretty soon I won't have to wear the lobster bib." I'd make better progress if Stewart weren't such a strict Freudian. lol (I'm only teasing you, Stewart) M np (of course) BELLE AND SEBASTIAN SING JONATHAN DAVID ep (song title of the year: "Take Your Carriage Clock and Shove It") I read that the band is composing all new songs for a score of the next Todd Solondz film, "Storytelling," coming out in October, as well as another ep by the end of summer. Yay! "I mean, Talking Heads, you're talking about people that came from an art school background. Patti Smith, Richard Hell, they came from more literary backgrounds. I mean, I don't know where the B-52's came from at all, but it seems like it was not people who grew up playing Skynyrd songs. ...They had the common sense not to do anything but play Atlanta, Athens and New York until they became a household name. They woulda been killed in fuckin' Alabama." (Jeff Calder of the Swimming Pool Q's, Stomp and Stammer magazine, June) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:11:23 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever I'm not sure which (if any) is the worst ever, but here are a few up with which I could not put. Walked out of theater: JOHNNY MNEMONIC Rudely (but successfully) begged the host to stop the video after ten minutes: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT Gave up quickly in disgust, despite having already paid for the airplane headsets: LOOK WHO'S TALKING and the film where Jane Fonda teaches Robert DeNiro how to read I like WIZARDS, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:00:54 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever THE LEGEND OF BAGGER VANCE. (Though I actually liked the XXX version, THE LEGEND DOWN BAGGER'S PANTS.) JS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:06:14 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever >Andy, how many times do we have to go over this? I still think you're confusing BATMAN FOREVER with BATMAN & ROBIN. Yes, BATMAN FOREVER was bad, but at least it had Nicole Kidman. BATMAN & ROBIN, which followed, is truly one of the most awful movies of all time. Nicole Kidman was in that one? How could I have missed her? Something to do with Tommy Lee Jones impersonating an electric-chair convict short-circuiting in his own piss, Andy "God sends meat and the devil sends cooks." - --Thomas Deloney, from "Works" (no volume number) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:21:40 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever >Thank you for avoiding the phrase "giving head." > ><><><><><><><><> > >No, that's Reanimator. You took the words right out of my head. RE-ANIMATOR on Red Dragon gives you so much more, Andy "Dear Tony-- One of the great moments in the lives of us baby boomers occurred the first time we played a Dylan record for our parents. It was sheer malicious pleasure to watch their faces fall when we insisted that, yes, no kidding, we really did believe this was terrific stuff. An irreversible declaration of independence, establishing beyond any doubt and any argument that the distance between our generation and theirs was now unbridgeable. That's why 'The Times They Are A Changin' ' was the only possible boomer anthem." - --Erik Tarloff to A.O. Scott, during a discussion of David Hadju's new book POSITIVELY 4TH STREET: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JOAN BAEZ, BOB DYLAN, MIMI BAEZ FARINA, AND RICHARD FARINA, at http://slate.msn.com/code/BookClub/BookClub.asp?Show=6/12/2001&idMessage=783 5&idBio=272 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:28:59 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever Miles said: >pre-bony Winona If Larry Williams is still alive, this has just GOT to be the title of his comeback single. JS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:26:36 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] It was... >np Lucinda WIlliams, _Essence_ >...wondering what Sharples finds not to like, (or doesn't like to find?) >as so far the title track and 'I envy the Wind' are knockouts. imneho. Well, I felt the lyrics were really cliche and banal (except the one about plastic sofa covers), the melodies almost non-existent, and that there's almost no energy to the performances. "Mellow" is one thing, but this just sounds lackluster and uninspired to me. Where's that cracking, country-rock drive that permeates her last three albums? JS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:37:03 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] It was... Aaron, on Brion: has he actually sung prominent vocal >parts on one of Aimee's albums that i've forgotten? His voice is very prominent on Aimee's cover of Nilsson's "One" (he actually sings a verse of another Nilsson song, "Together," in the background vocals), on the Nilsson trib and MAGNOLIA. JS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:40:11 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever >Jeff Ditto #2: All that, plus it's Pogue-infested! Again, what's not to like? Y'all are entitled to your own opinion. All I know is that when I didn't laugh once, smiled maybe twice (whatshisname's Clint-Eastwood-with-grit-in-his-teeth bit), and emerged from the theater aghast at how the director of one of my favorite films (REPO MAN) had squandered 86 minutes of my life, STRAIGHT TO HELL went straight to the head (rear?) of the class. I'll concede, though, that the other four films on my list probably out-rank it. Anyone see HIGHWAY PATROLMAN? Andy "I am seeking a man." - --Diogenes (with a lit lantern in broad daylight) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:53:08 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever >>pre-bony Winona > >If Larry Williams is still alive, this has just GOT to be the title of his >comeback single. Five Presidents too late, I fear. Mr. Williams died on January 7, 1980, in Los Angeles, of a gunshot wound to the head--ruled a suicide, although some of his pimp'n'playa compatriots dispute that. Now who's underneath the apple tree, Andy "This makes me think of lines from Zardoz, particularly what the head told the exterminators to do after bestowing upon them a great plethora of weapons." - --Ely Zero III on http://www.neontikitribe.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:01:02 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] eight drivers in the kudzu <<><><><><><><><><> You're close - the last two words should be "wooden shoe". you'll have to speak louder I've got beans in my ears, - --Dennis>> funny - when i was little i used to keep them up my nose. as for bad movies: the god-awful re-do of Midsummer Night's Dream with Calista Flockhart. did the director READ the play frst, or just arbitrarily remove pages from the script to get it down to a reasonable length? the character name is enough to make me go run out and rent it! - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:09:07 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: [loud-fans] Fw: Now: Razz, man, they rocked!!!!! Andy's B-52's quote reminded me that this was the best story I'd heard in ages, off-list fom Our Card7, re: The legendary DC power pop band Razz, before Tommy Keene joined: >Razz started in about '71 as a blues-ey band playing College Park; drummer >later went on to be drummer of "legendary" Nighthawks...Band reformed, >hired Abaad, etc. Cross-Keys Massacre -- at a club in Frederick, MD, Reidy [charismatic lead singer] taunted a whistleblower (really, a man w/ a whistle blowing into mics and >blowing out eardrums) by saying "in DC, guys with whistles are FAGS!" > > >All equipment destroyed, some true hospitalizations. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:18:37 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst movie ever >>>pre-bony Winona >> >>If Larry Williams is still alive, this has just GOT to be the title of his >>comeback single. > > >Five Presidents too late, I fear. Mr. Williams died on January 7, 1980, in >Los Angeles, of a gunshot wound to the head--ruled a suicide, although some >of his pimp'n'playa compatriots dispute that. Ooooh! Not unlike Arthur Alexander, or Mal Evans, JS (NP in my head right now: "Aah ghat a gurrl--Pre-Bony Winonaah..." etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:34:05 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aube vs reed vs ? round two (+ awful attemptatOTing) JeFF: >And for chrissakes, what's wrong with me? I just agreed with Justice >Scalia...that cops should not be allowed to detect things that suggest >that someone might possibly be growing plants that are illegal, wihtout a >warrant, via high-tech, heat-sensing equipment. Actually, Scalia is remarkably excellent when it comes to protecting Fourth Amendment rights (See J.L. v. FLORIDA, 1999). Although I disagree with his politics (and the fact that many of his decisions seem to be thinly-disguised, ends-oriented opinions in support of said reactionary politics) I agree with many of his opinions, and consider the guy to be a truly brilliant jurist. That said, I recall some here recently defended his brethren, Mr. Clarence Thomas. Would any of those care to step up now, after Mr. Thomas just the other day further emasculated the non-establishment clause (separation of church/state) beyond recongnition via some highly disingenuous intellecutal dishonestly? JS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:38:08 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fw: Now: Razz, man, they rocked!!!!! In a message dated 6/13/01 9:16:42 PM, jsharple@bls.brooklaw.edu writes: >Andy's B-52's quote reminded me that this was the best story I'd heard >in > >ages, off-list fom Our Card7, re: The legendary DC power pop band Razz, > >before Tommy Keene joined: > > > >>Razz started in about '71 as a blues-ey band playing College Park; drummer > >>later went on to be drummer of "legendary" Nighthawks...Band reformed, > >>hired Abaad, etc. Cross-Keys Massacre -- at a club in Frederick, MD, > >Reidy [charismatic lead singer] taunted a whistleblower (really, a man >w/ a > >whistle blowing into mics and > >>blowing out eardrums) by saying "in DC, guys with whistles are FAGS!" > >> > >> > >>All equipment destroyed, some true hospitalizations. > > > BTW, mr. sharples, considering some people's opinions of me on this list, they may not notice the quotes, indicating that REIDY used the eff word. Please, in the future, make sure the quotation marks are bold before forwarding. mr. politically, socially, and morally correct, C7 NP: Left Hand On My Trick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:56:54 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fw: Now: Razz, man, they rocked!!!!! C7: >BTW, mr. sharples, considering some people's opinions of me on this list, >they may not notice the quotes, indicating that REIDY used the eff word. > >Please, in the future, make sure the quotation marks are bold before >forwarding. Yo: Some people's opinions? Fuck me. Those fuckin' quotation marks were plainly obvious to anybody with fuckin' eyeballs in their fuckin' sockets, fuckin' fuckface. What's your fuckin' problem? Stugatz! JS, thinking that it might be time to cut himself off from THE SOPRANOS dvd box set... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:15:06 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Fw: Now: Razz, man, they rocked!!!!! >Andy's B-52's quote reminded me that this was the best story I'd heard in >ages, Glad to render assistance however tangential in any good clean fun--but I must point out that the relevant quote came from Mark Staples' post, not mine. Credit where credit is due, Andy "Degenerate sons and daughters, Life is too strong for you-- It takes life to love Life." - --Edgar Lee Masters, from "Lucinda Matlock" in the SPOON RIVER ANTHOLOGY ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #121 *******************************