From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #110 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, June 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 110 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] aube vs reed vs ? round one (take one) [jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] aube vs reed vs ? round one (take one) how is aube pronounced? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 01:24:17 -0500 From: Jon Tveite Subject: RE: [loud-fans] aube vs reed vs ? round one (take one) Matt W.: "I submit to you the following: music is that which is created or interpreted as music. In other words, if someone has decided to make a piece of music, no matter what the materials, it's music; likewise, if someone is interpreting occurrences not intended as music in a musical way, it's music." Jeff N.: "In both cases (music and art), the question really is: what distinguishes art viewing, or music listening, from some other mode of apprehending the same objects?" This kind of gets at my line of questioning: is a music a cultural object that either exists or doesn't, on its own, by meeting certain criteria, or by some artist's intent? Or is music an exchange between creator and audience? I would tend toward the latter. Context is key. If somebody walks past your open window while you're blasting METAL MACHINE MUSIC, s/he will probably think something's gone horribly wrong. Am I listening to music if I don't know that sound is supposed to be music? I guess I'm not somebody who finds a lot of use in labelling games that want to say "This is music, but that isn't", so maybe there's more at stake here than I realize. Obviously my ignorance does not actually change the aesthetic status of Lou Reed's experiment, but for me, no definition of art makes much sense without some accounting for the communicative aspects. Jon ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #110 *******************************