From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #108 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, June 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 108 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV ["Grahame Davies" ] Re: [loud-fans] quoting entire posts [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] Packaging wars ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] the goddamned actors already ["John Sharples" ] [loud-fans] Just a slight change of plans... (fwd) [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Just a slight change of plans... (fwd) ["Andrew Hamlin" <] [loud-fans] my new favorite art piece [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! [Jeffr] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Music-critic geekery ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] I've got the feeling it's all rigged [David Manning ] Re: [loud-fans] Packaging wars [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:44:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > So, um, can we talk about the new Radiohead album yet? Can we? Can we? > Can we? > > It's really good (I think) and I can't wait for someone to explain what > time signature the second song is in!!! It took until the drums came in for me to note the regularity, on first listen - but... Most popular music is in 4/4, grouped in phrases of 4. So a typical phrase (okay, maybe half a pharse) might be 16 beats long. Keep this in mind... Back to Radiohead's "Pyramid Song": What I first heard was a bar of 5, a bar of 3, another bar of 5, two bars of 3, a bar of 5, a bar of 3, and then a bar of 5. After that, I think, it starts repeating. (Hey, I was doing this in real time on first listen, so if I'm wrong please don't shoot.) Now add up those numbers...that's right, 32 beats...or 8 bars of 4. I'd say the accents are just crossing over the bar lines - certainly made the string chart easier for the players to read, I'm sure. Alphabetizing puzzlement: along with Radiohead, I picked up Kraftwerk's _Man-Machine_, a curious release compiling Steve Howe's early work with vraious bands (including a bunch of Tomorrow tracks and the song from which the last section of Yes's "Starship Troopers" was derived), and the Minus 5 / Young Fresh Fellows two-fer (plus, the Yo La Tengo import EP with their cover of the Bonzos' "Ready-Mades" was in the mail when I got home - yay!). It's the M5/YFF that's giving me headaches, of course...I'm thinking of just filing it under McCaughey! The help of our more anal-compulsive Loudfans is welcome. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Drive ten thousand miles across America and you will know more about ::the country than all the institutes of sociology and political science ::put together. __Jean Baudrillard__ np: Radiohead _Amnesiac_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Cindy Alvarez wrote: > Are you being ha-ha-I-know-about-the-urban-legend funny, or did you > mean that genuinely? neither one, i guess; the label "urban legend" doesn't quite seem right. it's sort of funny if you willfully misinterpret it, but it's not like consumers ever shun a product for that sort of reason. the Snopes page says there are people who honestly believe the car sold poorly because of its name, which i guess would rise to the level of a UL. for a purely English-language example, there's rightsexchange.com (now down, it seems). a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:02:40 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) At 04:44 PM 6/5/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Alphabetizing puzzlement: along with Radiohead, I picked up Kraftwerk's >_Man-Machine_, a curious release compiling Steve Howe's early work with >vraious bands (including a bunch of Tomorrow tracks and the song from >which the last section of Yes's "Starship Troopers" was derived) Is this MOTHBALLS? I got that out of a remainder bin at Sam Goody a couple weeks ago for the Tomorrow and Keith West tracks and was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the other stuff. >and the >Minus 5 / Young Fresh Fellows two-fer (plus, the Yo La Tengo import EP >with their cover of the Bonzos' "Ready-Mades" was in the mail when I got >home - yay!). My question wasn't answered last time: what EP is this? "Ready-Mades" is a particular favorite, and I can only assume that YLT do a terrific version. It's the M5/YFF that's giving me headaches, of course...I'm >thinking of just filing it under McCaughey! The help of our more >anal-compulsive Loudfans is welcome. The Fellows are listed first on both spines, so it goes under Y, unless you want to file it under S for "Smart-Ass Meanyheads Who Hate The South And Everyone In It." S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:20:54 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) Stewart Mason wrote: > My question wasn't answered last time: what EP is this? "Ready-Mades" is a > particular favorite, and I can only assume that YLT do a terrific version. It's from the "You Can Have It All" cd single.. And YES IT WAS! (your question answered last time, that is!) http://www.escribe.com/music/loudfans/m17762.html Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:17:43 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) Stewart Mason on 2001/06/05 Tue PM 04:02:40 MDT wrote: > At 04:44 PM 6/5/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > It's the M5/YFF that's giving me headaches, of course...I'm > >thinking of just filing it under McCaughey! The help of our more > >anal-compulsive Loudfans is welcome. > > The Fellows are listed first on both spines, so it goes under Y, unless you > want to file it under S for "Smart-Ass Meanyheads Who Hate The South And > Everyone In It." It's a good thing the Fellows are listed first, because if Minus Five were, then you'd have to file it right at the beginning of the CD collection. My reasoning there is that the group name is actually "-5", which comes before practically everything (even 10cc) in ASCII-betical order. This is important if you're using a database program to keep track of your CDs. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:21:30 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin Rouge On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:55:02 -0400 popanda@juno.com writes: > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:22:03 -0700 bbradley@namesecure.com writes: > > definately going to see this one. as far as my own recs, DO go > see > > Shrek. > > DO NOT go see pearl harbor. as a wise man put it - 'they managed > to > > cram a > > 1/2 hour story into a 3 hour movie'. it stank. > > > > short and sweet..... line two. > > -- > > brianna bradley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: R. Kevin Doyle [mailto:rkdoyle@midpac.edu] > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 2:24 PM > > To: loud-fans@smoe.org > > Subject: [loud-fans] Moulin Rouge > > > > > > Anyone seen it? Opinions? > > > > I saw it last night. There was a sequence with a narcoleptic > > Argentinean > > doing a violent tango while singing "Roxanne" that I really dug. > > > Another > > featuring Jim Broadbent reinterpreting "Like a Virgin" was a > > highlight. Oh, > > and there's a terrific Absinthe sequence. > > > > Even the "Elephant Love Medley" makes more sense in context and > the > > distressing new version of "Lady Marmalade" is barely present. > > > > I had a great time. I loved it. I hated it. > > > > It is a triumph of style over substance. Part of my brain screams > > > "No! Dear > > God No!" Part of my brain says "Fool! The style *is* the > substance > > in this > > case." > > > > Anyhow, I rarely do this, but I might have to see the movie again. > > > Luhrman > > seems to be intent on reinventing the movie musical and, in some > > ways, he > > succeeds in a hyperactive, post-modern way. In other ways, parts > > > teeter so > > close to the edge of stupidity that the film risks plunging into > > idiot > > valley. > > > > If you're going to see it, see it on the big screen. The > "Elephant > > Love > > Medley," which VH-1 is playing fairly regularly, has convinced me > > > that, in > > the case of this film, size matters. > > > > R. Kevin > > Honolulu > > > > Thanks, but anything with a setting before about 1955 bores me to > tears. > I won't be seeing it. I hate war movies anyway. I haven't seen a > film > since Billy Eliot (sp?) DANCE BILLY!!! Malice" > playing> Sheesh, it's already a cliche. > I do want to see Shrek. I'm going to try and catch it this weekend. > > Anything with Mike Myers involved has to be pretty good. > "EEVIHL, like the FROOITS of the DEVIHL" > ("So I Married an Ax Murderer") > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > Shrek's setting is what, centuries ago? With something like this, being fantasy, I think I can sit through it. Just not much interest in the real life period pieces. What voice does Mike Myers do? The main character? I AM thinking of the right movie I hope? M np Belle and Sebastian "Dog on Wheels" ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:32:48 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) At 04:17 PM 6/5/01 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >It's a good thing the Fellows are listed first, because if Minus Five were, then you'd have to file it right at the beginning of the CD collection. My reasoning there is that the group name is actually "-5", which comes before practically everything (even 10cc) in ASCII-betical order. This is important if you're using a database program to keep track of your CDs. Wait, what about Nine Below Zero? S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:48:03 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) >Is this MOTHBALLS? I got that out of a remainder bin at Sam Goody a couple >weeks ago for the Tomorrow and Keith West tracks and was pleasantly >surprised by the quality of the other stuff. Is this the Keith West who did "Excerpts From A Teenage Opera," the 45 Paul McCartney says was a major influence on Stewart's least-favorite record? Never heard the single, but I was certainly intrigued by its reputation. If yes, or even if no, which West cuts are on MOTHBALLS? As long as I'm asking, how do the two albums (three counting the live BEYOND AND BEFORE) Yes released without Steve Howe sound, and how does Pete Banks' playing compare/contrast with Howe's? (I read where Fripp was offered the slot after Banks left, but turned it down; he also said no to Ansley Dunbar's BLUE WHALE album, which I recently saw a copy of, though I didn't delve). Then there's that whole ZIGGY STARDUST cover business, Andy "I am convinced there is hidden evil in this." - --Ely Zero II on http://216.149.89.225/ayb/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:58:04 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Moulin Rouge <> mike meyers does the voice of Shrek, an ogre (the main character) with some strange osrt of remotely scottish accent. the animation is wonderful - it's so good that it fooled me into thinking they had used a real actor in one of the shots. it took me a second to realize that it wasn't a human. really freaked me out. looking forward to final fantasy.... and lord of the rings... - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:03:07 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] bRAVo >For those who forgot or never knew, you can see the '67 Charger at >http://www.charger.org/pics/67_Charger.jpg As kids, we'd wash the car just >to use the back as a waterslide. I'm partial to the 1957 Mercury Monarch Turnpike Cruiser (was 1957 the only year they made such?): http://www.classiccar.com/articles/featured/57monarch/default.asp How long 'til Dodge Lafemme, Andy "I'll try to anotherfy my life" "Herion, be the depth of me" "All the zinzins of this town" "with blushed girl child" - --from the Japanese lyric sheet to THE VELVET UNDERGROUND AND NICO (courtesy Aaron Milenski) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 17:07:31 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) At 03:48 PM 6/5/01 -0700, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >Is this the Keith West who did "Excerpts From A Teenage Opera," the 45 Paul >McCartney says was a major influence on Stewart's least-favorite record? >Never heard the single, but I was certainly intrigued by its reputation. If >yes, or even if no, which West cuts are on MOTHBALLS? Keith West was the singer in Tomorrow, and "Excerpts From A Teenage Opera" was a solo single that came out in between the two Tomorrow singles, "My White Bicycle" and "Three Jolly Little Dwarfs." The one Keith West track on here is "The Kid Was a Killer," from 1968, after Tomorrow had split up. (There's six Tomorrow tracks, including both sides of both singles and two from the sole album.) However, "Excerpts from a Teenage Opera" didn't come out until July of '67, so the likelihood that it was an influence on my least-favorite Beatles record, which came out in June, is pretty remote. S NP: All Things Considered ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:19:03 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] quoting entire posts It has been brought to my attention (some e-mails nice, others with inferences regarding my mental capacities) not to quote entire posts. I understand this, have understood it since day one with this service, and have tried "driving" this Juno software, and cannot find any way to isolate bits to quote from e-mails. It seems I am only able to quote an entire post. As some may recall, I was once on AOL, and had no problem doing this with posts. Again, if this is like the deal I had with being able to tell list mail from off-list mail, (Dana, please HELP!) I don't know if this feature is something not available with the free service, or I just need some instructions. However, if anyone besides Dana has or knows the instructions on how to quote just sections of an e-mail with the free Juno software (version 5), by all means, clue me in. I hate this as much as you do. It may be worth paying a few bucks a month to get better e-mail service. I'm just not into spending any money on anything besides basic necessities, and the occasional CD at the moment, as I'm trying to come up with money to move on. To put it less nicely, if you're gonna bitch at me, at least please offer me some help. M ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:33:40 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] quoting entire posts << It seems I am only able to quote an entire post. >> new mail type << or some other indicator of choice copy from post paste into new mail type >> or some other reciprocal indicator of choice respond send arcane, but functional. - -- brianna bradley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:46:38 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 07:10:12 Doesn't happen - the masculine term *is* the neutral/default, and this very strongly implies that female poets are like dancing bears: notable not for whether they dance well but because they can dance at all. (don't blame me...I think it was Ben Johnson I'm paraphrasing.) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------- You're close. It's actually Dr. Samuel Johnson: "Sir, a woman's preaching is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all." Thankful we live in more enlightened dog-walking times, Andy Q: Do you have a top five artists of all time? A: Louis Armstrong, Thelonious Monk, Chuck Berry, the Beatles and the New York Dolls. Those are the ones that mean the most to me. The reason the Dolls are in there is that there ought to be something that was a skyrocket that didn't prove to last. And for me they were a life-changing band. Al Green and George Clinton would probably be my next two. If there were a woman, it would probably be Billie Holiday. The artists that have meant most to me in the last 10 years are probably Pavement and Sonic Youth. Sonic Youth, of course, once called for my death. [--Robert Christgau, from an interview with Barbara O'Dair at http://www.salon.com/ent/music/int/2001/05/09/xgau/ ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:51:05 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] why? on earth are y'all bothering with radiohead, when there are neu! reissues to be had? - -- d. np neu! 2 = i and i do wot i am told. him not opinionated. she accept widout |dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 20:00:28 -0400 From: "Grahame Davies" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV Dennis McGreevy wrote: >That's still got nothing on Chevrolet's attempt to market the Nova in Spanish >speaking countries without changing that vehicle's name. From the same file -- is there any truth, I wonder, in the story that Toyota tried to market the MR2 in Francophone countries with the same name -- MR2 pronounced EM ARE TOO, French-style becomes EM AIR DUH, or phonetically very close to "Merde'. Dude, my MR2 is the *shit*.... - -- Grahame ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:18:01 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] quoting entire posts << It seems I am only able to quote an entire post. >> new mail type << or some other indicator of choice copy from post paste into new mail type >> or some other reciprocal indicator of choice respond send arcane, but functional. >>>>>>>>>>> That's pretty much what I do, but with the minor change that I copy from the old post first, then create new mail. That saves one back and forth step. And, if you're quoting an entire post, it's usually best to leave that till last. I assume that what people are objecting to is the need to scroll through several pages just to find out if you've said anything at all. I actually like Juno quite a bit, and find that I screw things up much less often than my co-workers who use Netscape or whatever it is that they keep screwing up on. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:42:39 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Packaging wars OK, the limited-edition library-book version of _Amnesiac_ is pretty cool, but I also today got a copy of the new Aube album _Set On_, based on the sound (in some sense) of stone, and the disc comes sandwiched between two slabs of what may not literally be stone, but certainly form the heaviest CD packaging I've ever encountered. I have another Aube album that came in a metal sleeve, and one that came in a plastic sleeve filled with water; it's only a matter of time before he figures out a way to deliver a CD whose case is actually on fire. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:57:28 -0400 From: "John Sharples" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the goddamned actors already From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >"cow" is an acceptable term (usually in the plural) for a herd of some >cows and some bulls (according to the dictionary I consulted) Neatshit! I'm gonna consult a cattlerancher. My dictionary also recognizes "irregardless"... JS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Packaging wars On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, glenn mcdonald wrote: > metal sleeve, and one that came in a plastic sleeve filled with water; it's > only a matter of time before he figures out a way to deliver a CD whose case > is actually on fire. i got a solicitation for the aube cd that specified what sort of stone it's packaged in, but i forget. it made it sound like it would arrive scratched to the point of being non-playable, which i suppose might be an interesting conceptual tactic. my local indie snob outlet has this amazing instore display for somebody's pet record that's a little cart made mostly of circuit boards that rolls back and forth and has many blinking lights. couldn't say what the music is like, but somebody at work was waving around the new record from tool, and "lavish" and "gorgeous" came to mind as words for the packaging. anybody remember comptons encyclopedia and how it used to have sets of partially transparent pages that you could flip though to simulate dissecting a frog, and that sort of thing? kind of like that, only here it's some sort of abstract geometric critter that you dissect. more parts to play with than the pledge drive CD (don't take it too hard Tim, i'm sure they had a much bigger budget, too). okay, i'm really bored, can you tell? i'm waiting for a backup tape to restore...and waiting. and waiting. i left to get dinner, and i came back, and it's still not done. if i knew it wouldn't finish til 11pm, i'd just go home, but if it finishes sooner, tonights backup will presumably start on the same tape, and that would be, in a word, bad. umdedumblededum. - -- d. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:56:33 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] Just a slight change of plans... (fwd) andy nobly sacrifices his evening to attempt to alleviate my boredom. join us if you like. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 18:49:24 -0700 From: Andrew Hamlin To: dmw Subject: Just a slight change of plans... eskimo.com is malfunctioning yet again, from where I sit anyway. However, I'm waiting at irc.DAL.net #loudfans . Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:04:42 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Just a slight change of plans... (fwd) >andy nobly sacrifices his evening to attempt to alleviate my boredom. >join us if you like. Oh, important addendum--with eskimo.com exploded yet again, we're hanging out at irc.DAL.net #loudfans All hands on deck at...well, it's got to be dawn somewhere... Andy "A health unto the happy, A fig for him who frets! It is not raining rain to me, It's raining violets!" - --R. Loveman, from "April Rain" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:02:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] my new favorite art piece Went to a local coffee shop the other day to pick up a sandwich, hopefully quickly enough to duck in and out before my clothing, my hair, and my lungs became engulfed in second-hand smoke, but failed in that duty because I just had to look at the art on the wall. The artist - and I can't remember his name, unfortunately - had taken four maps of Milwaukee, tossed a different colored dart at each of the maps, cut out each map in a circle surrounding the dart, and mounted each circular piece on a stiff backing like foamcore or something. Big deal...but then, he fabricated darts of the same color as the originals, nine feet tall, mounted them surreptitiously in approximately the locations designated by his dart throwings, snapped photos of each, and left. The photos he blew up and mounted similarly to the maps with darts stuck in them, and the gigantic darts he left to the devices of the property owners. I'm just imagining waking up and finding a nine-foot tall purple dart stuck in my back lawn...(although it looks as if the artist conveniently chose non-residential sites for his Jarts of the Gods...) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. np: Kraftwerk _The Man-Machine_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Packaging wars My copy of "Pages from the Book" by Aube came with an 'actual' page of the Bible he used as sound source material in the case. That's pretty cool. (the other) Dan - --- glenn mcdonald wrote: > OK, the limited-edition library-book version of > _Amnesiac_ is pretty cool, > but I also today got a copy of the new Aube album > _Set On_, based on the > sound (in some sense) of stone, and the disc comes > sandwiched between two > slabs of what may not literally be stone, but > certainly form the heaviest CD > packaging I've ever encountered. I have another Aube > album that came in a > metal sleeve, and one that came in a plastic sleeve > filled with water; it's > only a matter of time before he figures out a way to > deliver a CD whose case > is actually on fire. Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:23:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > In this case, one should give the dominatr- her "-ix" back, and go with the > gender neutral "executioner". That's what I'd do anyway. Surely there's a pun on "Trix" the cereal and "dominatrix" lurking herein, but damned if I'm going to find it. Snap, crackle, pop... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:32:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > Wondering what the difference between a Recreational Active Vehicle and a > Recreational Passive Vehicle is There's a website for that. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, laughing at the notion that I'm a "hipster" J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life ahead of you, ::dancing the night away to celebrate... ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:34:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 JRT456@aol.com wrote: > As usual with hipsters, "Things I Don't Get" translates into "Things I Don't > Know And Would Rather Make Snide Comments About Than Bother To Actually > Learn." Folks in the market for a car will quickly discover that "RAV" means > "Recreational Active Vehicle." Try to puzzle out the meaning of the "4" from > there. What I don't get is the pronunciation - which is nonsense. If they'd pronounced it "rave four" that'd make perfect sense. Glenn's notion notwithstanding, I don't really hear that "rave" in the syllable "rav," and "rev," while closer, is still phonetically distant. The "4" is because the band has four members, right? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who thought a "Recreational Passive Vehicle" was what most folks call a "couch" J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Watson! Something's afoot...and it's on the end of my leg:: __Hemlock Stones__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:45:56 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Music-critic geekery For those of you whom meta-analysis about music criticism doesn't drive quickly crazy, or anybody with a morbid fascination for people you know attempting to answer questions about themselves without completely decomposing into pretentiousness, www.rockcritics.com is now running a short interview with me as part of their ongoing series. And if an interview with me doesn't sound very interesting, they've also got interviews with famous people. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:45:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > At 04:44 PM 6/5/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >_Man-Machine_, a curious release compiling Steve Howe's early work with > >vraious bands (including a bunch of Tomorrow tracks and the song from > >which the last section of Yes's "Starship Troopers" was derived) > > Is this MOTHBALLS? I got that out of a remainder bin at Sam Goody a couple > weeks ago for the Tomorrow and Keith West tracks and was pleasantly > surprised by the quality of the other stuff. Yep. I'm not a huge fan of mid-sixties British R&B (the early tracks are mostly that), but it sounds all right to me. Nice solo on "Maybelline"! > >and the > >Minus 5 / Young Fresh Fellows two-fer (plus, the Yo La Tengo import EP > >with their cover of the Bonzos' "Ready-Mades" was in the mail when I got > >home - yay!). > > My question wasn't answered last time: what EP is this? "Ready-Mades" is a > particular favorite, and I can only assume that YLT do a terrific version. British EP of "You Can Have It All": that track, a remix with some other instruments (nice, but not essential), and the Bonzos cover, recorded with most of Lambchop. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music:: __Paula Carino__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:53:53 -0500 (CDT) From: David Manning Subject: Re: [loud-fans] I've got the feeling it's all rigged On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 popanda@juno.com wrote: > This was in the Monday paper: > > Sony Pictures pulls plug on fake movie critic > > LOS ANGELES-- Film critic David Manning has been a consistent booster for > Sony Pictures films. Trouble is, he doesn't exist. As Pauly Shore famously said, the reports of my demise are premature...du-uu-uu-uu-de! - --Dave np: Kenny G...does this man have soul, or what? The true heir to both Charlie Parker and Donna Summer! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:04:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Packaging wars On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, dmw wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, glenn mcdonald wrote: > > > metal sleeve, and one that came in a plastic sleeve filled with water; it's > > only a matter of time before he figures out a way to deliver a CD whose case > > is actually on fire. I think matches would work... > i got a solicitation for the aube cd that specified what sort of stone > it's packaged in, but i forget. it made it sound like it would arrive > scratched to the point of being non-playable, which i suppose might be an > interesting conceptual tactic. Curiously, this very notion was recently part of a thread on the Wire list; I quote one Graeme Rowlands below: - ---- Christian Marclay's 'Record Without a Cover' was an intentional use of the deterioration of vinyl and is rather good. Every copy is of course unique (COLLECTORS: are they worth more if they are more dirty & scratched?) - ----- Also, was just reading through my copy of Q's special number about the best album covers - one was the stolen Situationist number of covering your album in sandpaper - The Durutti Column actually did this. Also from that issue: Peter Saville, whose best known work is his covers for many Joy Division and New Order releases, reveals that his favorite cover is (the original German, I presume) Kraftwerk's _Autobahn_. This album was released here with a simply awful painting of the titular roadway, with the back cover superimposing a deeply disturbing photo of the bandmembers on that road scene (disturbing because they look exactly like your high school physics teachers). Dreadful. The original release came in a spartan blue package, the band name and title in white, san serif caps, and the only image on the cover being a stylized roadway with overpass resembling a capital A (as in "Autobahn," of course). Infinitely superior to the awful cover - why on earth would they change that? Does anyone know if the blue cover I describe is in use anywhere? And are the Kraftwerk albums preceding _Autobahn_ (Kraftwerk 1, Kraftwerk 2, Ralf & Florian) in print anywhere? (where's Julian Cope when you need him?) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 23:28:44 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin Rouge At 05:55 PM 6/5/01 -0400, popanda@juno.com wrote: >Thanks, but anything with a setting before about 1955 bores me to tears. Because god knows nothing interesting ever happened before the invention of the Swanson TV dinner. >I won't be seeing it. Thanks for the update. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 23:35:27 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Packaging wars At 12:04 AM 6/6/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >And are the >Kraftwerk albums preceding _Autobahn_ (Kraftwerk 1, Kraftwerk 2, Ralf & >Florian) in print anywhere? (where's Julian Cope when you need him?) Did you check under the tortoise shell? The first three CDs are in print courtesy of the German division of Philips. Other Music has 'em at the relatively cheap price of $20 a pop. 1 is pretty essential, the other two less so. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 00:36:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] are we nearly there yet? (ns) On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > It's a good thing the Fellows are listed first, because if Minus Five > were, then you'd have to file it right at the beginning of the CD > collection. My reasoning there is that the group name is actually "-5", > which comes before practically everything (even 10cc) in ASCII-betical > order. This is important if you're using a database program to keep > track of your CDs. Recording by artists whose names begin with minus signs must be filed on the roof of your house. Recordings by artists whose names begin with numbers may be suspended from the ceiling with fishing line. Recordings by artists whose names consist of or begin with non-alphanumeric characters should be buried beneath your floorboards. Recordings by artists that list no name whatsoever but come in reflective packaging must be carried on your person at all times and must be surrendered upon request. Recordings by artists whose names are a series of non-verbal gestures are in fact by mimes, and therefore the artists must be taken out and shot. Nothing predates the Eisenhower administration. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who's thinking of naming his band whatever string of characters might cause a computer to crash when entered into a database. J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::No man is an island. ::But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, ::they make a pretty good raft. __Max Cannon__ ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #108 *******************************