From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #107 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, June 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 107 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] bRAVo ["\(The Arch-Villain\) West" ] RE: [loud-fans] "the past sure is tense" ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] the goddamned actors already [Holly Kruse ] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV [Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV ["glenn mcdonald" ] RE: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV [Cindy Alvarez ] Re: [loud-fans] Another helping of Slaw [popanda@juno.com] [loud-fans] I've got the feeling it's all rigged [popanda@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] bRAVo [popanda@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] Sparklehorse and other MUSIC [popanda@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin Rouge [popanda@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV [jenny grover ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 01:58:36 -0700 From: "\(The Arch-Villain\) West" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] bRAVo > More things I don't get: what is a "RAV" as in Toyota RAV4, and why did > they think that's a good name? It stands for Ridiculous Awful Vehicle. The "4" is because the other three were: RAV 1 -- The 1967 Dodge Charger RAV 2 -- The Humvee RAV 3 -- The New VW Bug For those who forgot or never knew, you can see the '67 Charger at http://www.charger.org/pics/67_Charger.jpg As kids, we'd wash the car just to use the back as a waterslide. > Why does Gatorade think we want to see neon-colored sweat dribbling all > over the place? You do. You just don't know it yet. One of us! One of us! Still patiently waiting for the new Tuckers, West. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:46:43 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] "the past sure is tense" I'd like to recommend some summer reading, particularly to anyone who is a Captain Beefheart fan. I just recently finished Mike Barnes" book CAPTAIN BEEFHEART and found it a very good read. Though Barnes is obviously a fan, it's not just a fan book. It delves equally into the good and the bad that makes up this quite unusual and facinating character. Though it supports many of the harse stories as told in Bill Harlkeroad's book LUNAR NOTES which details his turbulent years in the Magic Band I think the books offers a more even perspective on his obsessive nature. There are numerous quotes from various Magic Band memebers, friends and associates which shead light on just how he operated, how he meticulously dictated his bizarre assemblage of work. I recall one very weird story told by Gary Lucas about the night Don van Vliet had a psychic premonition that something "bad" had just happened and hours later finding out that John Lennon had been shot. This ocurred during an interview with Robert Palmer. The book is well footnoted and indexed and though I'm not familiar with Barnes it says he is a regular contributer to MOJO, SELECT and WIRE. This is surely the definitive Beefheart bio to date and it even attempts to cover Beef's more secretive past 2 decades establishing himself as an artist. The book was published in the UK last year, but you can order it through Amazon UK for about $20 plus shipping. -Larry ==== an excerpt from the book on his youth in Lancaster, CA =====He then moved into vacuum cleaner sales, although whether, as he claims, he sold one to author Aldous Huxley is open to debate. This could well have happened, as Huxley lived in Pearlblossom, a small town in the then sparsely populated Antelope Valley. The story goes that Vliet knocked on his door while holding a vacuum cleaner and, when Huxley appeared, introduced himself, then said, 'Sir, this thing sucks.' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:46:35 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [loud-fans] bRAVo On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 03:58 AM, ((The Arch-Villain)) West wrote: > RAV 3 -- The New VW Bug This is slander, although I would probably choose a Golf GTI. - - Steve __________ It is one thing for a software company to hype a product and then fail to deliver; it is another when the failure concerns nuclear weapons, for which "vaporware" takes on a whole new, literal meaning. - The Editors of Scientific American, on SDI ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:57:47 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] "the past sure is tense" Uh oh, sorry about the loss of formatting on this one. - -LT |-----Original Message----- |From: Larry Tucker [mailto:tuckerchill@hotmail.com] |Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:47 AM |To: loud-fans@smoe.org |Subject: [loud-fans] "the past sure is tense" | | |I'd like to recommend some summer reading, particularly to |anyone who is |a Captain Beefheart fan. I just recently finished Mike Barnes" book |CAPTAIN BEEFHEART and found it a very good read. Though Barnes is |obviously a fan, it's not just a fan book. It delves equally into the |good and the bad that makes up this quite unusual and facinating |character. Though it supports many of the harse stories as told in Bill |Harlkeroad's book LUNAR NOTES which details his turbulent years in the |Magic Band I think the books offers a more even perspective on his |obsessive nature. There are numerous quotes from various Magic Band |memebers, friends and associates which shead light on just how he |operated, how he meticulously dictated his bizarre assemblage |of work. I |recall one very weird story told by Gary Lucas about the night Don van |Vliet had a psychic premonition that something "bad" had just happened |and hours later finding out that John Lennon had been shot. |This ocurred |during an interview with Robert Palmer. The book is well footnoted and |indexed and though I'm not familiar with Barnes it says he is a regular |contributer to MOJO, SELECT and WIRE. This is surely the definitive |Beefheart bio to date and it even attempts to cover Beef's |more secretive |past 2 decades establishing himself as an artist. The book was |published |in the UK last year, but you can order it through Amazon UK |for about $20 |plus shipping. -Larry ==== an excerpt from the book on his youth in |Lancaster, CA =====He then moved into vacuum cleaner sales, although |whether, as he claims, he sold one to author Aldous Huxley is open to |debate. This could well have happened, as Huxley lived in |Pearlblossom, a |small town in the then sparsely populated Antelope Valley. The |story goes |that Vliet knocked on his door while holding a vacuum cleaner and, when |Huxley appeared, introduced himself, then said, 'Sir, this |thing sucks.' | |--------------------------------------------------------------- |--------- | |Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 10:32:26 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] FW: [paisley-pop] Don Dixon Recovering From Heart Attack I thought I'd forward this message from Mark who was briefly on Loudfans this past Fall/Winter. He received this message from Don Dixon's mailing list. I surewish Don the best. On a brighter note though anotehr MJ album is on the way. - -Larry |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | |hello everyone | |this is a quick bulk mailing to let everyone know how i am... | |i had a heart attack last Thursday...kind of big...they gave |up on angioplasty so i had to have an emergency quadruple |bypass...it's pretty invasive stuff...i'm glad i didn't have |to hear it, but i'm feeling okay...got home yesterday evening |(Monday)...never saw the light... | |as an aside, earlier last week i had finished putting |together a record of unreleased but already recorded songs |left over from the 90s...it's called "Note Pad #38"...it |seems to have some value...i like everything on it...it'll be |available in JULY...you can get it from us (Lava Head Music, |PO Box 8744, Canton OH 44711- $15 including shipping) or |eFolk Music will have it for credit card people |(efolkmusic.com)...if you haven't been to this site you |should go...a very good one run by very good people... | |i know many of you are interested in the new JONES |record...it's coming along & we're still trying for a fall |release by hook or crook my wobbly heart not withstanding... | |that's about it... | |dd |------------------------------------- |Name: lavahead |E-mail: lavahead |Date: 06/05/2001 |Time: 8:39:14 AM | |This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 10:38:49 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Moulin Rouge jeffffffrey: >More things I don't get: what is a "RAV" as in Toyota RAV4, and why did >they think that's a good name? I think "hmmm....Ravioli? Raffi?" i'm not sure, but it's probably the same reason that a. we have things named Kleenex (think about what the roots of that word would be and what it would mean- it used to be clean? it's not clean? it gets the clean out? what?) and b. Toyota thought TRD was a good thing to put on their vehicles. i don't care _what_ it stands for - in my mind, it spells turd. andy: >Bull! > >SHT... i believe you mean bull (h)sh/it(e) jeffffffrey: >Peel away the onion; there's no stone at the center - it's all skin. i understand those are just like ogres. go see shrek... NOW.... - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com - -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey [mailto:jenor@csd.uwm.edu] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:18 PM To: where they sleep better knowing stuff Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin Rouge On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Tiger Reel wrote: > i had a terrific time watching this film. baz luhrmann > vaults to the top of my "directors whose stuff i will > go out of my way to see" (i also had a great time with > "strictly ballroom" and "romeo and juliet"). the first > 30 minutes are just jaw-droppingly brilliant. Despite liking _Strictly Ballroom_, Baz Luhrmann is on my list of directors to avoid, because: - --People should not be called "Baz" - what the hell is that? - --He's responsible for that utterly stupid, annoying adaptation of the graduation speech Kurt Vonnegut never gave a few years back. More things I don't get: what is a "RAV" as in Toyota RAV4, and why did they think that's a good name? I think "hmmm....Ravioli? Raffi?" Why does Gatorade think we want to see neon-colored sweat dribbling all over the place? (One answer: I am not a twelve-year-old boy, nor do I think like one - therefore I am in hardly anyone's desirable demographic. Rose and I were at a baseball game the other day, and in front of us were four guys that, at first glance, I would have said ranged in age from 18 to 24 or so. Once they opened their mouths - repeatedly, crudely, pointlessly, and bellowingly - I revised that estimate and assumed they were older-looking, immature sixteen year olds. So imagine my surprise when two of them hailed a beer vendor, produced the required ID, and bought some beers. "Jesus Christ," I thought, "these folks are old enough to vote!" That explains a lot.) - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::In terms of the conjunctures of cultures, [LA is] less like a salad bowl ::and more like a TV dinner with those little aluminium barriers keeping ::all the vegetables in their places. __Catherine Ann Driscoll__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:52:11 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! Jeff sez: As to whoever suggested "actron" by analogy with "waitron": now *there's* an abomination...and an unnecessary one as well, since "server" does just fine, thank you, in describing the person who takes your order and brings your food at a restaurant. <><><><><><><> But think of how much better better it would be if we ditched "server", and went back to the socially outmoded "servant". More Jeff: There is no "-ron" suffix native to English, so it's silly to try and invent one. <><><><><><><><> The suffix in question is not "-ron", but "-tron", as in "electron" or "Metatron". Not that that makes any more sense, or makes the coinage "waitron" sound any less wrong (though it does add an element of the robotic, and the concurrent tendency of robots to do things like malfunction with unintentionally, and therefor humorously, homicidal consequences, to the dining experience). More Jeff: In most cases, a person's gender is utterly irrelevant to their professional achievements: why, exactly, might it be relevant that so-and-so's estate has an "executrix" rather than an "executor"? <><><><><><><><> In this case, one should give the dominatr- her "-ix" back, and go with the gender neutral "executioner". That's what I'd do anyway. - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:08:08 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! > As to gender-specific words: I'll accept that feminine-specific terms > convey no derogatory effect when you show me an example of a > feminine-specific term that works as a generic. > >>>>>>>>>> > "Nurse." Good try - but there's nothing intrinsic in "nurse" that marks it as feminine. <><><><><><><> O.k., how 'bout "wet-nurse", then? - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:13:41 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! I'm a theatre director (albeit community theatre, but, heh, its the closest thing to being indie you can be in my particular theatre milieu) and I like to refer to them generically as actroids. I don't do this because it satisfies any gender issues, but because it correctly identifies the actroids as machines who work only at my whim. <><><><><><><><><><><> Again, "robots". - --D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 11:19:15 -0700 From: Matthew Weber Subject: RE: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! At 01:13 PM 6/5/01 -0500, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: >I'm a theatre director (albeit community theatre, but, heh, its the closest >thing to being indie you can be in my particular theatre milieu) and I like >to refer to them generically as actroids. I don't do this because it >satisfies any gender issues, but because it correctly identifies the >actroids as machines who work only at my whim. > ><><><><><><><><><><><> > >Again, "robots". > >--D Or, as Edward Gordon Craig would have said, "ubermarionetten." Matthew Weber Curatorial Assistant Music Library University of California, Berkeley But the fact remains that most of man's history is not endearing, most of his comedy not painlessly funny, most of his tragedy hardly cathartic, pedagogically instructive, or exalting. John R. Clark, _The Modern Satiric Grotesque_ [1991] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:19:43 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! Tim V. notes: Not to suggest that the meanings of words don't broaden and shift with time ("teamsters" once drove teams of horses) <><><><><><><><><><> Yeah, and now they drive legitamate businesses under unless they cooperate? - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:23:45 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! There's nothing intrinsic in any word that marks it as anything. <><><><><><><><><> You'd be able to see that this is not the case, but you're obviously a Marksist. - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:19:18 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV As usual with hipsters, "Things I Don't Get" translates into "Things I Don't Know And Would Rather Make Snide Comments About Than Bother To Actually Learn." Folks in the market for a car will quickly discover that "RAV" means "Recreational Active Vehicle." Try to puzzle out the meaning of the "4" from there. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:37:59 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] the goddamned actors already brianna's comments are second, don't know who preceeds, and am too lazy to check: >>"cow" is an acceptable term (usually in the plural) for a herd of some cows and some bulls (according to the dictionary I consulted); the truly correct, though hugely archaic, plural is, i believe, kine. not that it matters. <><><><><><><><><><> I'm probably wrong here, or I'd keep my mouth shut (I type with my teeth to aviod carpal tunnel) ut I belive the non archaic plural you seek here is "cattle", and that kine are a different animal, and extinct at that. - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:39:13 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV As car-names go, I thought "RAV4", combining "rev" and "rave" even if you don't know what it stands for, was pretty decent. And after the redesign they now even look decent. If obsucre name problems fascinate you, ponder Honda's CRV, which not only bears no resemblance to their earlier CRX, but also comes perilously close to "crhve", the French term for a flat tire. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 14:40:35 -0700 From: Holly Kruse Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the goddamned actors already Dana wrote: >> And I got all excited, because I still have my copy of "Poststructuralism >> for Dummies" at hand, and was prepared to demolish Jeff's argument and >> use the words "empty signifier" and "sign" at least 20 times Jeff responded: > But that doesn't deny the very real effects of that culture, or that a > culture can't be very persistent over time, or that such effects can > nearly erase their very status *as* culture I'll humbly add: I avoid the intellectual discussions on this list like the plague, but... Back when I pursuing the old doctorate, I was quite brainwashed into the University of Birmingham's Centre for Contemporary Cultural Studies way of thinking, thanks largely to many swell opportunities to make the acquaintance of/meet/hear speak/befriend some of the fine folks associated with that now-defunct program (and my advisor had studied there.) From this perspective, then, I put forth the notion, as stated by Stuart Hall, that there are indeed no necessary correspondences between signs and meanings. This does not mean, however, that associations between signs and meanings are entirely random. There are, as Jeff describes, cultural effects, or, as Hall put forth, particular articu- lations of signs and meanings ("preferred meanings", if one wants to use that term) that arise. The argument here is for an analysis of meanings within their specific "conjunc- tures": the coalescence of social, cultural, economic, ideo- logical, historical tendencies in which texts/meanings exist. All such factors condition our understandings, and thus the meanings of signs and texts are really not entirely up for grabs within a particular historical conjuncture. I'm writing this off the top of my head and dregging this up from the recesses of my memory, but I think it's pretty accurate. Now what does all of this have to do with actors/actresses/ actrons again? ;-) Or hey, with Scott Miller? ("Scott Miller" is certainly a signifier with many, but presumably not infinitely many, signifieds!) Holly Kruse hkruse@infi.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:01:57 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] the goddamned actors already the truly correct, though hugely archaic, plural is, i believe, kine. not that it matters. <><><><><><><><><><> I'm probably wrong here, or I'd keep my mouth shut (I type with my teeth to aviod carpal tunnel) ut I belive the non archaic plural you seek here is "cattle", and that kine are a different animal, and extinct at that. - --Dennis <><><><><><><><><><> kine Pronunciation: 'kIn archaic plural of COW http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary interestingly, for cow: 1 a : the mature female of cattle (genus Bos) b : the mature female of various usually large animals (as an elephant, whale, or moose) 2 : a domestic bovine animal regardless of sex or age ok, no more post on this topic for me.... i'm starting to worry about my time usage.... - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:04:12 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV > If obsucre name problems fascinate you... "Obsucre": unpleasant, from "ob" meaning "not" and "sucre" meaning "sugar", or "sweet". > "crhve", the French term for a flat tire. That was supposed to be "creve", with an accent grave over the first "e". Why my email program decided to replace the accented vowel with an "h", I admit I do not know. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:02:19 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV As usual with hipsters, "Things I Don't Get" translates into "Things I Don't Know And Would Rather Make Snide Comments About Than Bother To Actually Learn." Folks in the market for a car will quickly discover that "RAV" means "Recreational Active Vehicle." Try to puzzle out the meaning of the "4" from there. >>>>>>>>>> You're just defending it because its name is three letters followed by a number. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:09:01 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV At 03:04 PM 6/5/2001 -0400, glenn mcdonald wrote: >> "crhve", the French term for a flat tire. > >That was supposed to be "creve", with an accent grave over the first "e". >Why my email program decided to replace the accented vowel with an "h", I >admit I do not know. It's not your e-mail program that did it. smoe.org lists use a server-side program called Demime which strips HTML characters out of list mail. This protects the lists from attachment-borne viruses, creates plain-text e-mail that can be read on all mail programs, and, from my perspective as the listowner for idealcopy (the Wire list), has reduced the number of bounced messages by at least half. See http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html for more detail. The downside is that it strips out benign extended ASCII characters and replaces them with ill-chosen substitutes. Maybe there'll be a fix in the next version. Speaking of MOULIN ROUGE, here's a slightly edited version of the review I sent to Fegmaniax yesterday. Apologies to doug, aaron, and others for the rerun. ====== If director Baz Luhrmann was as original and innovative as he obviously thinks he is, I'd be wildly enthusiastic about MOULIN ROUGE. If the film sustained the visual spectacle of its opening and closing sequences (though the first scene inside the Moulin Rouge is so hyperkinetically edited that it becomes its own kind of Confuse-O-Vision -- it's easy to imagine a way of editing that could convey the same energy and swirl of images without making you feel like you're trapped inside a strobe light), I would have been much happier with the movie. Instead, even though the buzz on the film is all about how different and strange it is, it's not nearly different and strange enough. I wanted more spectacle, more of the fantastic magical stuff (the absinthe faery coming alive and turning into a chorus line; the gun clanking off the Eiffel Tower; the top hats flying out the top of the Moulin Rouge), a use of the anachronistic music that would enlighten and inform rather than simply serve as Luhrmann-as-Auteur flash. Instead, the film's middle third settles into hidebound convention and rather straightforward narrative with a dismaying ease, and the music is almost always in medley format, jumping back and forth from song to song in a way that undercuts the sort of emotional resonance Luhrmann seems to be after. If the medleys signified some sort of postmodern detritus-of-popular-culture-congealing-in-random-ways commentary, that would be one thing, but MOULIN ROUGE's actual story is extremely simple and familiar, and since Luhrmann wants the audience to sympathize deeply with the lead characters, developing melodic continuity instead of turning the film into "spot the song snippet" would have helped his cause. But what I just wrote is way too negative. MOULIN ROUGE is very far from the train wreck I had feared. I've adored Nicole Kidman ever since TO DIE FOR, and she looks radiant, sings very well, and does everything and more that is asked of her. Ewan McGregor brings way more to the Milquetoast Writer Character (usually a huge dull void at the center of these kinds of stories -- think of the Clifford Bradshaw character in CABARET, for instance) than is written for him, good acting fleshing out an underwritten part. Jim Broadbent and Jacek Koman (the Narcoleptic Argentinean!) turn in fine supporting performances, though Richard Roxburgh's Duke comes off as a mixture of all the wrong parts of Vincent Price and Roddy McDowell. (Luhrmann is probably also making a mistake by never explaining who Toulouse-Lautrec is -- just a sentence or two somewhere might clue people in that it's not just John Leguizamo doing a Dorf-in-Paris.) The sets and costumes are amazing, with special mention going to the dazzling Elephant Room -- it's a tribute to Kidman that she comes off as a worthy occupant of it. MOULIN ROUGE is always beautiful to look at and entertaining as all get-out, well worth the matinee price we paid to see it. Master Stroke of Genius? Nope. A fun evening (or afternoon) at the movies, yes. later, Miles purchased at lunch and will be playing on the drive home: Radiohead, AMNESIAC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:07:06 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV glenn writes: As car-names go, I thought "RAV4", combining "rev" and "rave" even if you don't know what it stands for, was pretty decent. And after the redesign they now even look decent. If obsucre name problems fascinate you, ponder Honda's CRV, which not only bears no resemblance to their earlier CRX, but also comes perilously close to "crhve", the French term for a flat tire. <><><><><><><><><> That's still got nothing on Chevrolet's attempt to market the Nova in Spanish speaking countries without changing that vehicle's name. - --DM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:11:59 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV At 04:07 PM 6/5/01 -0500, Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: >That's still got nothing on Chevrolet's attempt to market the Nova in Spanish >speaking countries without changing that vehicle's name. Be a dear and get your facts straight: http://www.snopes2.com/business/misxlate/nova.htm Wondering what the difference between a Recreational Active Vehicle and a Recreational Passive Vehicle is, S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > That's still got nothing on Chevrolet's attempt to market the Nova in > Spanish speaking countries without changing that vehicle's name. or Taco Bell's success at selling a new product called "fat little girl" in a country with a lot of Spanish speakers. but i suspect these things are more funny for the customers than they are embarrassing to the companies. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:25:26 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV > That's still got nothing on Chevrolet's attempt to market the Nova in Spanish > speaking countries without changing that vehicle's name. Nor the Japanese having the gall to admit that their prime minister was named Takeshita, nor a company that runs a web picture-hosting service commonly used for photographs of newborns calling it "imagestation.com". We're odd people to criticize, though. In Portugese "Aerodeliria" means "I impugn the moral integrity of your cultural traditions." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:28:28 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV <> must be the number of tires. doors? oh! i got it! hub caps! actually, in the spirit of... tim v: <> maybe it's the number of horses traditionally used to pull it out of the mud pit when the silly yuppy gets it stuck. speaking of cars, check this out: http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/ be sure to watch the video. i want one. or maybe 3 or 4. i think i'm gonna move there just so i can have one. - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:30:41 -0700 From: Cindy Alvarez Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV At 5:14 PM -0400 6/5/01, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > >> That's still got nothing on Chevrolet's attempt to market the Nova in >> Spanish speaking countries without changing that vehicle's name. > >or Taco Bell's success at selling a new product called "fat little >girl" in a country with a lot of Spanish speakers. Are you being ha-ha-I-know-about-the-urban-legend funny, or did you mean that genuinely? Either way, for who would not realize this, the gordita is an authentic mexican dish, although the taco bell gordita bears absolutely no resemblance to the gorditas I ate as a kid. And of course, while gordita - -can- mean 'fat little girl', it is more likely to mean 'fat little' modifying a feminine noun. c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 18:04:47 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Another helping of Slaw On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:23:22 -0400 jenny grover writes: > John Sharples wrote: > > > > Who you calling asshole, assman!! > > are you sure that's not asstron? or is it assperson? > We've all worked or gone to school with an asstron. A female with sawdust for brains, but a nice butt (OMG! Did that come outta ME?) The male version would be, crotchtron? They sound like toys from Radio Shack circa 1980, a real battery drainer with a cassette tape buried somewhere inside. M ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 18:38:14 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] I've got the feeling it's all rigged This was in the Monday paper: Sony Pictures pulls plug on fake movie critic LOS ANGELES-- Film critic David Manning has been a consistent booster for Sony Pictures films. Trouble is, he doesn't exist. Someone at Sony concocted glowing blurbs for movie ads from the fictitious reviewer, a studio spokeswoman said Sunday. The blurbs for "The Animal" and "A Knight's Tale" were discovered last week after the reviewer's authenticity was challenged by a reporter for Newsweek. The Manning blurb on "The Animal" called the movie "another winner!" Another blurb praised Heath Ledger of "A Knight's Tale" as "this year's hottest new star!" "It was a case of incredibly bad judgement," said Sony spokesperson Susan Tick. "We're taking all the steps necessary to determine who's been responsible and will act appropriately." I can see it now: "'Citizen Kane,' you've been deported! "Dude, Where's My Car?" is the most important film of our time! A triumph!" David Manning, The Stepford Entertainment Weekly ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 18:19:41 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] bRAVo On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 01:58:36 -0700 "\(The Arch-Villain\) West" writes: > > More things I don't get: what is a "RAV" as in Toyota RAV4, and why > did > > they think that's a good name? > > It stands for Ridiculous Awful Vehicle. The "4" is because the > other three > were: > > RAV 1 -- The 1967 Dodge Charger > RAV 2 -- The Humvee > RAV 3 -- The New VW Bug > > For those who forgot or never knew, you can see the '67 Charger at > http://www.charger.org/pics/67_Charger.jpg As kids, we'd wash the > car just > to use the back as a waterslide. > > > Why does Gatorade think we want to see neon-colored sweat > dribbling all > > over the place? > > You do. You just don't know it yet. One of us! One of us! > > > Still patiently waiting for the new Tuckers, > West. > Well, the new VW bug is not really a true Beetle, because it is actually comfortable and safe, but I love it, just like the two '65s I had, even if they are kind of yuppified (still waiting on the Eddie Bauer 4X4 version). Dontcha be dissin' my next car! I'm going to get a 5-speed diesel and run the thing on biodiesel (diesel fuel cut w'recycled fryer oil...not trying to be eco-cool, it's just really a good idea). "Do you smell french fries?" "No, that's just Mark's car." lol Tuckers were decades ahead of their time. Didn't they have many safety features and a headlight that moved, like on a Citroen? M ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 18:08:58 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sparklehorse and other MUSIC On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:03:04 -0500 (CDT) Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey writes: > On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > > > > > I also finally scored a copy of Plumtree's THIS DAY WON'T LAST > AT ALL, > > > which some around here have compared to the New Pornographers. > There's > > > > Really? I can't hear that similarity at all. > > As Rog pointed out, glenn does compare the Plumtree recording to the > New > Pornographers - but not by saying they sound alike. (Rog, of > course, > doesn't claim they sound alike - I assumed that's what he meant. > And, as > Joe says, when you assume you make an ass of Sue and him. That > works > better when Joe says it, but you get the point...) Glenn instead > compares > their spirit, "an artless, percussive exuberance" to be precise. > > So there. > > --Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::SCENE 2: > ::Aunt Fritzi applies lipstick in the mirror. In the next room, > Sluggo > ::removes his ever-present cap and blows his nose in a red > handkerchief. > ::Nancy enters the room and accuses Sluggo of stealing the donuts > that > ::Aunt Fritzi made for her. Sluggo looks at the clock, which reads > 8:54, > ::and says he'd better hurry or he'll be late for his trombone > lesson. > > np: Neilson Hubbard _Why Men Fail_ (damned sexist piggy!) > God, I LOVE that record! "It was 1985..." Gorgeous. Bueno listening, Jeff! M ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:55:02 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin Rouge On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:22:03 -0700 bbradley@namesecure.com writes: > definately going to see this one. as far as my own recs, DO go see > Shrek. > DO NOT go see pearl harbor. as a wise man put it - 'they managed to > cram a > 1/2 hour story into a 3 hour movie'. it stank. > > short and sweet..... line two. > -- > brianna bradley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: R. Kevin Doyle [mailto:rkdoyle@midpac.edu] > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 2:24 PM > To: loud-fans@smoe.org > Subject: [loud-fans] Moulin Rouge > > > Anyone seen it? Opinions? > > I saw it last night. There was a sequence with a narcoleptic > Argentinean > doing a violent tango while singing "Roxanne" that I really dug. > Another > featuring Jim Broadbent reinterpreting "Like a Virgin" was a > highlight. Oh, > and there's a terrific Absinthe sequence. > > Even the "Elephant Love Medley" makes more sense in context and the > distressing new version of "Lady Marmalade" is barely present. > > I had a great time. I loved it. I hated it. > > It is a triumph of style over substance. Part of my brain screams > "No! Dear > God No!" Part of my brain says "Fool! The style *is* the substance > in this > case." > > Anyhow, I rarely do this, but I might have to see the movie again. > Luhrman > seems to be intent on reinventing the movie musical and, in some > ways, he > succeeds in a hyperactive, post-modern way. In other ways, parts > teeter so > close to the edge of stupidity that the film risks plunging into > idiot > valley. > > If you're going to see it, see it on the big screen. The "Elephant > Love > Medley," which VH-1 is playing fairly regularly, has convinced me > that, in > the case of this film, size matters. > > R. Kevin > Honolulu > Thanks, but anything with a setting before about 1955 bores me to tears. I won't be seeing it. I hate war movies anyway. I haven't seen a film since Billy Eliot (sp?) DANCE BILLY!!! Sheesh, it's already a cliche. I do want to see Shrek. I'm going to try and catch it this weekend. Anything with Mike Myers involved has to be pretty good. "EEVIHL, like the FROOITS of the DEVIHL" ("So I Married an Ax Murderer") ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 17:43:31 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Moulin RAV JRT456@aol.com wrote: > > As usual with hipsters, "Things I Don't Get" translates into "Things I Don't > Know And Would Rather Make Snide Comments About Than Bother To Actually > Learn." Folks in the market for a car will quickly discover that "RAV" means > "Recreational Active Vehicle." Try to puzzle out the meaning of the "4" from > there. is it for 4-wheel drive? or do all these creations have all-wheel drive now? ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #107 *******************************