From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #103 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, June 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 103 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Link for REM in Koln ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M., hair, cover art, aging [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! ["\(The] Re: [loud-fans] Sparklehorse and other MUSIC [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M., hair, cover art, aging [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M., hair, cover art, aging [Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Link for REM in Koln On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Brett Milano wrote: > It seems that Murmurs.com is no longer linking directly to that REM Koln > show, though they do have a Toronto show with most of the same set. > > However, you can still get the Koln show by going thisaway: > > http://www.murmurs.com/mp3/koln/ They do sound very good - almost good enought o motivate me to see them if they tour the US. Considering the crap show they put on thae last time I saw them (MONSTER tour), that's saying a lot. Still don't have that much interest in REVEAL, though. Nice to see them sticking with one-word titles. J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 06:41:15 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M., hair, cover art, aging On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:18:26 -0500 Wes_Vokes@efunds.com writes: > Am I the only one who likes the new REM? Sure, the songs are mostly > slow-to-midtempo and a few of them go on for a minute or so too > long, but > they are fine songs! And they trounce the Beach Boys better than > the High > Llamas ever did... > Humming all the way to Reno.. > Wes > > > > > Jer Fairall @smoe.org on 06/01/2001 09:49:42 > AM > > Sent by: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org > > > To: nut-brown breasts > cc: > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio > > > > > A definite thumbs-up for the new Go Go's, a tentative > one for the new Weezer (releasing a major label, > majorly anticipated album that doesn't even clock in > at a half hour is a pretty gutsy move) and no opinion > on the new REM, whom I gave up on after HI-FI. > > Jer > I like the new R.E.M. It took me about 5 plays, but it clicked, and then I finally honed in on the vibe. However, if they do a third record like this I think it'll be a mistake. I just wish Michael would lose the concentration camp/chemo patient look he's been cultivating now for getting near a decade. He doesn't look good bald, IMO. He looks rather like the Brain from PINKY AND THE BRAIN. This is superficial yes, but good Lord! He's got great hair, like Mr. Miller. I've been thinking back since Bill Berry left that they should do a photo shoot with each member holding their respective "R," "E," and "M," and I noticed a magazine cover the other day, and they finally did this. Maybe they waited out of respect to Bill Berry. Makes sense. Speaking of hair, I bought LOOK INTO THE EYEBALL, the new David Byrne, when I got paid the other day, and he's all grey now. It's hard for me to accept the fact that he's not a young man anymore. I'll always picture him looking the way he did on the back of the TALKING HEADS '77 album cover. Maybe he just had some grey, and had the whole thing dyed. It's a far cry from the self-titled solo album from several years ago, when it was long and really great looking. He looks like a librarian now (this isn't a bad thing...I used to date one). All he needs is a sweater and a well-worn pair of Rockports. The cover art on his new record is interesting. It changes when turned in different directions (his eyes open and close). Check it out at the record store next time you go. Also, there are images inside the disc booklet and the song titles on the back of the CD you can manipulate as well. Hours, well, minutes of fun. And, the music ain't bad, either. Thankfully light on the Latin influence, which isn't my cup of tea. Paul McCartney is showing some major miles on the odometer himself of late. He looks almost elderly. Time is so cruel. It's odd that Ringo is the best looking of the remaining Beatles to me. Karmic payback? I hate getting old. Not that I worhip youth...I much rather prefer the wisdom of the aged, but that it ravages your body, making it become a liability for most in the end. It's upsetting to me. I highly respect those individuals who work in old folks homes and with the elderly. I couldn't do that. It would get to me after a short while. Youth is wasted on the young, as the saying goes. Unless of course you're Sean Connery. M np Belle and Sebastian 3..6..9 SECONDS OF LIGHT ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 07:21:16 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] please excuse Pardon me for flippant comparisons of Michael Stipe's appearance to concentration camp victims and cancer patients. The Jewish holocaust and cancer aren't laughing matters. M ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 12:01:58 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! I'm not sure what to make of this. I just find the unisex revisionism kinda pretentious. It's like "your cousin is here". What gender is the damn cousin? >>>>>> Ah, but does zat not sound like zee very funnie premeese for zee comedie sexy? You see, zee man ees expecteeng his cousin, but when une cousine est arrivee...ooh la la!! And eet could only happen in America, avec her, how you say, language ambiguous!! Eef only Jerry Lewis were still making zee movies cinematique, eet would be parfait pour lui!! - --le dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 13:45:04 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] least popular band ever? I just got back from France, and boy are my arms tired. Or something like that... A couple of new release thingys: The new Mogwai album. I hadn't planned on picking it up, as I couldn't imagine what else they could really do. They've already been hyped to the heavens, and they've perfected the ability to play really, really quiet and then suddenly get REALLY REALLY LOUD, and they'd already sung a few times. Suffice it to say that there didn't seem to be any compelling reason to keep listening. But, I happened to check out one of the MP3s on the Matador site, and it sounded very nice, and I happened to have an extra $12 the other day, so what the hey. Anyway, the new album doesn't particularly break any new ground, but despite that, it's very, very nice. I think that Mogwai may have suffered from excessive publicity, 'cause they're really not going to change the world, but I have to say that "Rock Action" is a very good album, with a lot of pretty non-guitar instruments peeping out here and there. It's nice to see that they can keep making good stuff out of their (pretty basic) musical formula. A big money drainer that just came out is the Sundazed Millenium triple-CD. I'm lazy these days, so I'll just paste in Acquarius' review. It's located at the end of this post, after my name. Finally, the release that gives this post its title. I just got an email from Sunday records, informing me that my beloved Safe Home (used to be the Nightblooms, I've written about them 50 gazzilion times) have a new single out. I'm thrilled to hear that. It's in an edition of 200 copies, which is sad enough. The really horrible part, though, is that the guy at Sunday doesn't seem to know how to send emails to a bunch of different people without disclosing their addresses, so I know how many people he informed about this. So, you want to know how many people are interested in finding out about Safe Home? Three!! Does that make them the least popular band in the world?? - --dana MILLENNIUM, THE "Magic Time: The Millenium / Ballroom Recordings" (Sundazed) cd 32.00 Here's an apparently much sought-after rarity now reissued (thanks again to the fine folks at Sundazed), that we have to confess we'd never heard of until now. [Dana's note: you guys work in a record store and you never heard of this!!??] But that's one of the great things about reissues, isn't it? And as reissues go, this one's a doozy: three discs of sugary, sunshiney psychedelic pop dating from 1965-1968, produced by the interrelated studio groups The Millennium, The Ballroom, Sagittarius, Summer's Children, and others (all creations of, among others, songwriter/producer Curt Boettcher, a man whose work we're told Brian Wilson was stunned by). Demos, singles, instrumentals, unreleased alternate takes, plus the full albums (Ballroom's "s/t" and The Millennium's "Begin") from these guys: it's all here. And it's all pretty great -- magical, even. Often dreamy. Well, sometimes goofy too (unfortunately reminding us of that "Drugsachusetts" Kroft Super Show parody sketch from Mr. Show!). Ok, if you're not in the mood, it'll make you vomit, but if song titles like "Dancing Dandelion", "Sunshine Today", "Milk And Honey", and "Karmic Dream Sequence" make you smile, then you'll want to have this for those special moments when today's Elephant 6 output just doesn't cut it. (And by that we mean to suggest that if you're a fan of Olivia Tremor Control or Apples in Stereo, you'll find so much to love here -- the music is as sweet as the Olivias but with a really good grit to it too.) [I have no idea what they're talking about here. Really bad comparison] 62 tracks total, that's almost 3 hours of material, all direct from the original analog tapes in Columbia's vaults. This massive reissue package, which includes extensive liner notes and many photos as well as those three compact discs of geniune genius '60s "Soft Pop" music, was assembled with the active cooperation of the original musicians. [Except for, presumeably, the dead one] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 14:15:06 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M., hair, cover art, aging what's important here? a few gray or missing hairs, or the music? what is more mature- fear of aging and being around it, or acceptance that it is a stage of life, a stage most of us will spend more time in than youthful adulthood? take care of yourself now and you'll be less likely to be feeble when you're older. several years ago, when michael first went to the totally bald look, he told an interviewer that his hair had become so thin and he was getting so bald anyway, he decided it was better to just shave off the rest than try to make it look good. we all know how silly major comb-overs look. and look at lee renaldo. i think he looks great with grey. it's time our culture stopped looking at aging as some sort of disease. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 12:14:30 -0700 From: "W. David Barnes" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M., hair, cover art, aging on 6/2/01 11:15 AM, jenny grover at sleeveless@citynet.net wrote: > what's important here? a few gray or missing hairs, or the music? what > is more mature- fear of aging and being around it, or acceptance that it > is a stage of life, a stage most of us will spend more time in than > youthful adulthood? take care of yourself now and you'll be less likely > to be feeble when you're older. several years ago, when michael first > went to the totally bald look, he told an interviewer that his hair had > become so thin and he was getting so bald anyway, he decided it was > better to just shave off the rest than try to make it look good. we all > know how silly major comb-overs look. and look at lee renaldo. i think > he looks great with grey. it's time our culture stopped looking at > aging as some sort of disease. > > Jen Oh so much to think about here... I'd done a quick post last night about the new R.E.M. basically just to say that I liked it without articulating why. Jenny and Dana both sort of got me thinking (hair, R.E.M., Mogwai). I've been listening to 'Rock Action' a lot lately and really enjoying it along with the Sigur Ros CD and 'Dilate' by Bardo Pond. So after a pretty much constant diet of ambient music (Kid A was in there somewhere too), 'Reveal' was my return to something in a more standard format and it just fit nicely into my brain. Yeah the songs are a little slow (again) and yeah it would probably be disappointing if the next one was more of the same but I really enjoy 'Reveal' and, come to think about it, have enjoyed every R.E.M. record. They are the one constant in a CD/album/cassette collection of close to a 1,000. They make music, I buy it, I like it and there's not a whole lot of examination 'cause it doesn't feel necessary. Hope that makes sense.. Jen - thanks for the thought on Michael and his hair. I went through the same thing myself a couple of years ago and started cutting it down to the nub (can't get up the nerve to shave it but I'm pretty damn close). It was as liberating as anything to do with hair and it feels good to boot. June 9, Mogwai and Bardo Pond at the Fillmore In San Francisco) and I can't wait! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 17:32:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > >> This is the same problem I have with Yo La Tengo's AND THEN NOTHING > >> TURNED ITSELF INSIDE-OUT (that's overstating the 'problem'; it's still > >> a fine album), but nobody ever seems to complain about it there. > > > >That's because it's critical heresy to say bad things about Yo La Tengo > >these days, just like it used to be with R.E.M., but isn't anymore. > > On the other hand -- the Yo La Tengo hand from a moment ago -- I liked I > CAN HEAR THE HEART BEATING AS ONE better than AND THEN NOTHING... precisely > because I CAN HEAR THE HEART... has the sort of sonic palette that can > sustain a 60+ minute album. Some "Deeper Into Movies" to contrast against > the "Shadows." I'm not sure who made the quoted YLT comments - but I also don't think critical orthodoxy had much to do with it. Miles' remark gets closer to one of the factors that, for me, makes the slow tracks on _Reveal_ succeed less well. Slowness isn't just a matter of objective tempo. There are also: - - density of rhythmic material - - variety of sonic texture - - intensity of performance, volume, etc. - - harmonic variety and others I'm too lazy to think about right now. What I mean by most of these is probably pretty clear, but the first one might sound puzzling, so I'll explain it. Aside from the basic tempo - say, 60 bpm, which would be pretty slow - there's also the question of how much else is going on and how often it's happening. For example, I remember hearing a remix of "Finest Worksong" that created the impression of being faster than the album version. It wasn't - but when I compared the two, I noticed that the remix added a 16th-note tambourine part periodically that increased the *perceived* speed, even though the basic pulse remained the same. The problem for those _Reveal_ tracks 2 - 6 is that almost *all* of those variable remain pretty consistent (except, possibly, the textural issue). What makes a band that works mostly with slow tempos successful is variety in the other musical components - that's why Low, for example, are such geniuses: even though most of their material is quite slow in terms of quarter-note pulse or BPM, they increasingly have learned to decorate the sonic space with such variety in tone, texture, intensity, and density that their records never sound boring. (YMMV, of course) Incidentally, I think it was Miles who said "if you like High Llamas, Eric Matthews, Richard Davies, etc., you'll probably like _Reveal_" (he didn't care much for either): I can sort of see that, although for me, the tempo question does dog _Hawaii_, even though O'Hagan varies texture quite a bit. For me, that's why the slower songs that are more Beach Boys-like on _Reveal_ work better - unlike the deadly run that follows "The Lifting," they both vary texture a lot and don't fall all in a row. R.E.M. tends to work in similar style for two-album pairs, so I'm hoping for another major change next time. Try it: Murmur/Reckoning, Fables/Pageant, Document/Green, Time/Automatic, Monster/Hi-Fi, Up/Reveal. Fables marks a darkening and thickening of sound, continued on Pageant; Document brightens and adds more loud guitars, which Green largely continues (although "Wrong Child" and "You Are the Everything" anticipate the styles of _Out of Time_); _Out of Time_ and _Automatic_ are built on Buck playing mandolin and small orchetral backings (although Automatic moves away somewhat); Monster brings back loud electric guitars, which Hi-Fi continues (again, some hints of new style to come); and of course Up finds them exploring a lot more keyboards in the wake of Berry's departure...which Reveal continues. Yeah, this is an oversimplification - but I think each paired album is closer to its partner than it is to the adjacent record of another pair. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ np: The Dinner Is Ruined _A Maggot in Their Heads_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 17:33:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sparklehorse and other MUSIC On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > I also finally scored a copy of Plumtree's THIS DAY WON'T LAST AT ALL, > which some around here have compared to the New Pornographers. There's Really? I can't hear that similarity at all. Would whoever made the comparison care to repeat it? I'd be curious... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 17:02:35 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sparklehorse and other MUSIC At Saturday 6/2/2001 05:33 PM -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > > > I also finally scored a copy of Plumtree's THIS DAY WON'T LAST AT ALL, > > which some around here have compared to the New Pornographers. There's > >Really? I can't hear that similarity at all. > >Would whoever made the comparison care to repeat it? I'd be curious... glenn for one: http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0316.html Though he may be talking more about a spiritual comparison than a musical one. I believe doug may've also said something to the same effect at one point. Or maybe I just like putting words in other people's mouths. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 20:20:44 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M., hair, cover art, aging On Sat, 02 Jun 2001 14:15:06 -0400 jenny grover writes: > what's important here? a few gray or missing hairs, or the music? > what > is more mature- fear of aging and being around it, or acceptance > that it > is a stage of life, a stage most of us will spend more time in than > youthful adulthood? take care of yourself now and you'll be less > likely > to be feeble when you're older. several years ago, when michael > first > went to the totally bald look, he told an interviewer that his hair > had > become so thin and he was getting so bald anyway, he decided it was > better to just shave off the rest than try to make it look good. we > all > know how silly major comb-overs look. and look at lee renaldo. i > think > he looks great with grey. it's time our culture stopped looking at > aging as some sort of disease. > > Jen > Time, the passage of it, and its fluidity and cruelty have always been obsessive thoughts of mine. It constantly pops up in my writing, I've noticed. I think part of the reason I'm such a shutterbug is that I like to freeze time. I fear aging somewhat, because my family doesn't age well. If cancer doesn't get 'em, heart disease does, and the quality of life for my family goes to hell in their sixties. Right now I'm watching my mom suffer with the prospect of having part of her stomach removed (diverticulosis) at the age of 63, though she has been suffering with it for about the past ten years, and both of her living brothers and sisters have or have had cancer. One of her sisters died just before I was born with stomach cancer, and she was a diabetic who used saccharin heavily, so I don't even like to use toothpaste with saccharin in it. My uncle's lung cancer was caught recently, but it went to his brain the docs discovered later, and now he's just waiting to die, as they say he's too old to be operated on. Her parents each died of heart disease, suffering with it for many years beforehand, and an aunt with cancer that was all removed recently had conjestive heart failure five years ago. She is constantly in discomfort from the heart problems, and the only way she finds relief is to ride around in a car, because the riding does something to ease her pain. My 41-year-old nonsmoking, eat healthy, skinny registered dietician sister discovered she had cancer very early and they got it all a few years back, so it is a problem in the family. I just am not good with suffering. I pick up on it and internalize it. You know how some people will tear up if someone else is crying, for no reason? I'm one of those people. I cannot watch horror movies because they upset me too much. There are some people who look better as they age, if we want to talk about just appearance; I fear the illness and suffering that has a high incidence of accompanying it, so when I see the signs of aging, I see it as foreshadowing of unpleasant things to come. I'm not writing all this stuff for a pity party, 'cause we all got problems. I just want you to understand why I think the way I do, so you won't think I'm a superficial person who is ruled by vanity. M ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 19:21:58 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: [loud-fans] John Keaney I've been looking for John Keaney's 1996 SPACE-AGE WAX MUSEUM for a few years now, and it turns out to be strong enough to recommend. Keaney was the songwriter for the Spelvins, a New York group who put out a good 1994 album (despite mannered vocals) called WHICHEVER TRAIN COMES. Keaney moved to Nashville and did his own vocal work on SPACE-AGE WAX MUSEUM; don't know why he felt he needed another singer before. He has a good, old-fashioned melodic imagination, and likes to mix things up a bit: the first song is a straight-ahead rocker, the second a Knopfleresque mid-tempo, the third reminiscent of a slow Mommyheads song, the four a Hall-and-Oates-y number, etc. I guess the Mommyheads' BINGHAM'S HOLE would probably be as good a referent as any, though Keaney is more pop and less rock and funk than the Mommyheads. You could get the album through Not Lame last time I looked. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 20:51:37 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio Slowness isn't just a matter of objective tempo.... Aside from the basic tempo - say, 60 bpm, which would be pretty slow - there's also the question of how much else is going on and how often it's happening. For example, I remember hearing a remix of "Finest Worksong" that created the impression of being faster than the album version. It wasn't - but when I compared the two, I noticed that the remix added a 16th-note tambourine part periodically that increased the *perceived* speed, even though the basic pulse remained the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>. One of the best examples of this is Ciccone Youth's remake of Madonna's "Into the Groove" which sounds absolutely dirgelike. It's actually recorded right over the original song, at the exact same speed, but sounds about 1/2 as fast. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 19:13:52 -0700 From: "\(The Arch-Villain\) West" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana L Paoli" To: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:01 AM Subject: [loud-fans] "There's an actor to see you" "Please show it in! > I'm not sure what to make of this. I just find the unisex revisionism > kinda pretentious. Or is it merely simplification? If we refer to both Cate Blanchett and Ian McKellen as "actors", we may consider it a matter of pure expediency; if this promotes a sense of gender equality -- dude, bonus! Now if we could just get rid of the term "male nurse". Relax, gentlemen -- I don't make fun of anybody who may have to stick needles in me. Is it e-male or fe-mail, West. np: The Hidden Fortress ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 22:28:53 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sparklehorse and other MUSIC On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > >On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > > > > > I also finally scored a copy of Plumtree's THIS DAY WON'T LAST AT ALL, > > > which some around here have compared to the New Pornographers. There's .... > > I believe doug may've also said something to the same effect at one > point. Or maybe I just like putting words in other people's mouths. nuh uh. both pretty good (but not quite top ten for last year), both canadian...other than the "two eyes nose and mouth" level of comparison, that's where i stop. i'm glad we've collectively decided that slow <> boring. fast can be boring too, and i just waded through a pile of (ok 4) metal blade releases to prove it. - -- d. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 21:40:59 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M., hair, cover art, aging At Saturday 6/2/2001 08:20 PM -0400, popanda@juno.com wrote: >One of her sisters died just before I was born >with stomach cancer, and she was a diabetic who used saccharin heavily, >so I don't even like to use toothpaste with saccharin in it. I think they've recently disputed rather conclusively that saccharin does not cause cancer (in humans, at least). It is still used in fountain diet drinks. My grandfather had diabetes and also used saccharin rather heavily, but his system was pretty much screwed up in general from the diabetes and heart disease. Go ahead and use that saccharin toothpaste(?) - - I'm sure something else will kill you (fluoride?) long before that would. >I just want you to understand why I think the way I do, so you >won't think I'm a superficial person who is ruled by vanity. Don't worry - I never in my wildest dreams thought that. Unless "vanity" means letting the whole world know every single thing about you and your family. Maybe you should wait till your wedding night to reveal some of this stuff. BTW, I totally agree with Jen. I always assumed that Michael Stipe shaved his head because he didn't like the way he looked with thinning hair. Just because he had a great head of hair 10 years or ago or whatever doesn't mean that he does now. It's kinda like how the Edge always wears a hat... Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 21:58:45 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Reveal Ruby Church At Friday 6/1/2001 09:42 PM -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: >I find that sorta odd, 'cos to me, P=A, MAGICIAN, and HOLOGRAM are all >pretty interchangeable -- one long trippy, atmospheric, beautiful and/or >ominous vibe. (I'm now thinking of the great line from THE LIMEY, >delivered to Peter Fonda's character by his latest twentysomething >girlfriend -- "You're not specific enough to be a person; you're more like >a vibe.") I like all these records, but I couldn't distinguish them from >each other, and I'm lucky to remember four song titles from the lot of >'em. Whereas SOMETIME ANYWHERE stands out for me -- in a good way, mind you! Miles, you can't win this one, so stop trying. SOMETIME ANYWHERE sucks. I win just by the fact that I own more CDs than you do, therefore my opinion counts more. PRIEST=AURA (which, as Stewart(?) says, is one of the all-time worst album titles) is unfairly being lumped in with the three following albums. P=A at least has Ripple, which is a favorite Church song of mine. And really, it doesn't totally degenerate until that 10-minute long song at the end. I will submit that the outtakes and such on the bonus disc for SOMETIME ANYWHERE are more interesting than the album proper. I credit this to the partial involvement of Koppes on those tracks, though I may be misremembering. And though I am loathe to defend MAGICIAN AMONG THE SPIRITS in any way, I did actually somewhat enjoy the re-released version MAGICIAN AMONG THE SPIRITS PLUS SOME, which got rid of one of the songs and added 4 or so others that were poppier. Don't ask me why I bought it when I disliked the original so intently - any port in a storm, ya know. And c'mon - you gotta admit HOLOGRAM OF BAAL was far less dronier and more poppier than the others. And then there's the all-covers album BOX OF BIRDS. Interesting experiment, but not one I listen to very often... Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 22:28:58 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] R.E.M., hair, cover art, aging At Saturday 6/2/2001 09:40 PM -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >I think they've recently disputed rather conclusively that saccharin does >not cause cancer (in humans, at least). Bad phrasing there. It should read "I think they've recently proved rather conclusively that saccharin does not cause cancer (in humans, at least)." Sorry 'bout that. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #103 *******************************