From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #101 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, June 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] sticker [popanda@juno.com] [loud-fans] SK/SM death match [popanda@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] SK/SM death match [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio [Steve Holtebeck ] [loud-fans] Sparklehorse and other MUSIC [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Sparklehorse and other MUSIC ["glenn mcdonald" ] [loud-fans] OT, but worth it [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] English gender question [Michael Mitton > Okay, as long as Jenna isn't caught doing anything less newsworthy, like actually dealing drugs at school. Unlike Al Gore's kid, though, she doesn't seem willing to endanger others through irresponsible driving. But, above all, she better not get caught losing a single pound off of what we all call some seriously righteous curves. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:32:42 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] sticker The sticker has been claimed. M ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:07:31 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] SK/SM death match I was high on life yesterday, so excuse the more than usual spastically perky behavior. The best news I've had in a while...years, so I was more violently happy than Bjork (boos are in order here). Also, if I threw a hat in the air, I'd probably drop it, like Rhoda. Thinking about the SK/SM death match a little more, and realizing what a silly thing for conjecture, like bad late night talk radio, that really isn't any of my or anyone's business, so I won't mention it again after this. I don't think it is a rivalry, because I believe Scott is too much of a level headed, good natured gentleman to harbor any ill feeling toward SK like that. However, it does amaze me that SK's criticisms of Scott's music are the very things that make me think he's a pop genius. Give me sixty zillion chords any day...with a sprinkle of '66 Paul Simon thrown in for good measure...and a dash of Cat Stevens. Maybe Steve's just jealous of Scott's hair. M np Sea Stories WIDE EYED AND DREAMING ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 07:07:46 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio At Friday 6/1/2001 06:54 AM -0400, JRT456@aol.com wrote: >Okay, as long as Jenna isn't caught doing anything less newsworthy, like >actually dealing drugs at school. Unlike Al Gore's kid, though, she doesn't >seem willing to endanger others through irresponsible driving. If only all underage drinkers were as responsible as Jenna! I know I wasn't. Maybe if I had been accompanied by Secret Service agents 24 hours a day... Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:35:36 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio If only all underage drinkers were as responsible as Jenna! I know I wasn't. Maybe if I had been accompanied by Secret Service agents 24 hours a day... >>>>>> Apparently, the Secret Service will let you do whatever you want, as long as it doesn't put you in danger. They're more concerned that their charges might try to give them the slip due to excessive babysitting. So, for example, Jenna can use a fake I.D., get plastered, do wheelbarrows full of cocaine, and steal from department stores, but she'd better not try to jaywalk across a busy street. That's what I read, anyway. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:55:20 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio << If only all underage drinkers were as responsible as Jenna! I know I wasn't. Maybe if I had been accompanied by Secret Service agents 24 hours a day... >> You weren't paying attention. I specifically said, "Like Al Gore's kid..." But then, it's not like you ever saw any coverage about that particular teen on CNN. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:23:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] SK/SM death match Scott Kannberg (Spiral Stairs) and Stephen Malkmus are threatening to kill each other? Geez, I knew Pavement broke up - but that's pretty bad. - --Jeff, kicking the treble J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Why should we value the work ethic ::when employers care so little about the pay ethic? __Barbara Ehrenreich__ np: Action Slacks _The Scene's out of Sight_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio > Mary Chapin Carpenter I'd be interested in hearing some opinions on this one. I thought COME ON COME ON and STONES IN THE ROAD were both excellent but her last one (A PLACE IN THE WORLD?) was a pretty big let down, so I'm not sure what I'm to expect this time around. A definite thumbs-up for the new Go Go's, a tentative one for the new Weezer (releasing a major label, majorly anticipated album that doesn't even clock in at a half hour is a pretty gutsy move) and no opinion on the new REM, whom I gave up on after HI-FI. Jer np: Jejune, THIS AFTERNOON'S MALADY ===== Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 8:49:10 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio I wrote: > If only all underage drinkers were as responsible as Jenna! I know I > wasn't. Maybe if I had been accompanied by Secret Service agents 24 hours a > day... JRT456@aol.com on 2001/06/01 Fri AM 07:55:20 MDT wrote: > You weren't paying attention. I specifically said, "Like Al Gore's kid..." > But then, it's not like you ever saw any coverage about that particular teen > on CNN. No, I was paying attention. I was applauding Jenna, as opposed to "Al Gore's kid", because "Unlike Al Gore's kid, though, she doesn't seem willing to endanger others through irresponsible driving" (to quote you). I don't know how I could've made that more clear. Just because I didn't ask specifically what "Al Gore's kid" had done, it doesn't mean I didn't believe you. I did somewhat imply that the SS agents were keeping her out of deeper trouble, but my point was more that I wish I had had someone to keep ME out of trouble at that age. Dana L Paoli on 2001/06/01 Fri AM 09:35:36 MDT wrote: > Apparently, the Secret Service will let you do whatever you want, as long > as it doesn't put you in danger. They're more concerned that their > charges might try to give them the slip due to excessive babysitting. > So, for example, Jenna can use a fake I.D., get plastered, do > wheelbarrows full of cocaine, and steal from department stores, but she'd > better not try to jaywalk across a busy street. > > That's what I read, anyway. There was an article about that very subject in the paper this morning, and that's pretty much what they said. Interestingly, the other twin, Barbara, recently gave the SS the slip so she could attend a WWF meet(!) at Madison Square Garden with a carload of friends. They were miffed. The SS were apparently laying low in the bar parking lot during Jenna's recent unpleasantness. They feel it is important to occasionally give the girls some space, evidently so they can get into the same kinds of trouble other people of their age do. Waiting for the details of Chelsea's sordid escapades to start surfacing, Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:04:59 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio >JRT456@aol.com on 2001/06/01 Fri AM 07:55:20 MDT wrote: >You weren't paying attention. I specifically said, "Like Al Gore's kid..." >But then, it's not like you ever saw any coverage about that particular >teen >on CNN. Hell, who cares about the kids? It's both the presdient and the vice president who have DUI on their record, and from back in the days when hardly anyone was ever arrested for it. Has anyone here ever seen the statistics about all of the different convictions on the records of our congressmen and congresswomen? I don't remember the actual numbers, but it was mind-boggling how many of them have done things (sometimes many times) that you'd think voters would raise more than one eyebrow about. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:16:27 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio Aaron wrote: > Has anyone here ever seen the statistics about all of the different > convictions on the records of our congressmen and congresswomen? I > don't remember the actual numbers, but it was mind-boggling how many > of them have done things (sometimes many times) that you'd think > voters would raise more than one eyebrow about. Be careful about this: if you're thinking of the same thing I am, the 'statistics' are pretty well demolished here: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/congress.htm peace & love phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:18:26 -0500 From: Wes_Vokes@eFunds.Com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio Am I the only one who likes the new REM? Sure, the songs are mostly slow-to-midtempo and a few of them go on for a minute or so too long, but they are fine songs! And they trounce the Beach Boys better than the High Llamas ever did... Humming all the way to Reno.. Wes Jer Fairall @smoe.org on 06/01/2001 09:49:42 AM Sent by: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org To: nut-brown breasts cc: Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio A definite thumbs-up for the new Go Go's, a tentative one for the new Weezer (releasing a major label, majorly anticipated album that doesn't even clock in at a half hour is a pretty gutsy move) and no opinion on the new REM, whom I gave up on after HI-FI. Jer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:39:42 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio > > Has anyone here ever seen the statistics about all of the different > > convictions on the records of our congressmen and congresswomen? I > > don't remember the actual numbers, but it was mind-boggling how many > > of them have done things (sometimes many times) that you'd think > > voters would raise more than one eyebrow about. > >Be careful about this: if you're thinking of the same thing I am, the >'statistics' >are pretty well demolished here: >http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/congress.htm Goes to show that the Boomtown Rats were right about not believing what you read. Aaron, usually the one telling other people they've fallen for an urban legend _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:25:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 Wes_Vokes@efunds.com wrote: > Am I the only one who likes the new REM? Sure, the songs are mostly > slow-to-midtempo and a few of them go on for a minute or so too long, but > they are fine songs! And they trounce the Beach Boys better than the High > Llamas ever did... The two problems you point out are indeed the two main problems. The tempo problem is exacerbated by the worst sequencing I've ever encountered on a major-label CD: tracks 2 - 5 are all slow, and three or four of them are even in the same key, making it worse. It improves massively in shuffle play. That said, there are many other better songs on the CD. However, between the continuing drop in both quantity and quality of good songs, and the icnreasing gap between albums, I can't help but think the band is nearing the end of the line. And where the hell is Mike Mills? His second vocal lines and occasional leads were a distinctive part of their sound - on both this album and on UP he's barely discernible. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::can you write underwater on liquid paper?:: __Zippy__ np: Abba _GOLD_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:11:25 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio At 11:25 AM 6/1/2001 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 Wes_Vokes@efunds.com wrote: > >> Am I the only one who likes the new REM? Sure, the songs are mostly >> slow-to-midtempo and a few of them go on for a minute or so too long, but >> they are fine songs! And they trounce the Beach Boys better than the High >> Llamas ever did... > >The two problems you point out are indeed the two main problems. The tempo >problem is exacerbated by the worst sequencing I've ever encountered on a >major-label CD: tracks 2 - 5 are all slow, and three or four of them are >even in the same key, making it worse. It improves massively in shuffle >play. Jeffrey anticipates the main points of my REVEAL review (some portion of which should appear in that same June 12th TOAST). With UP, I remember thinking that the individual songs were for the most part fine, but the lack of contrast, especially in tempo, made them all blur into one big snoozefest. When I saw R.E.M. on the UP tour in August '99, it bore out my suspicions, as "Suspicion," "Daysleeper," and "The Apologist" sounded wonderful when surrounded by more animated fare from the group's other albums. However, I don't see where resequencing would improve either UP or REVEAL, since all of their tracks with the exception of "Lotus" are cut from the same midtempo arrangement-heavy cloth. At least Billy Bragg's DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME had four or so numbers that could charitably be called uptempo, and even then, I was never able to make a custom playlist for it that didn't crumble under the weight of the slow songs, even though all of the slow ones were good to excellent. I can't remember if I said it here before, and I definitely left it out of my review, but I also wonder of part of the R.E.M.-in-Slumberland torpor (would that their sojourn was as interesting as Little Nemo's) has to do with too much studio gloss. Other than its sweeping melody, the studio version of "Imitation of Life" left me cold, but when they did it on LETTERMAN a couple of weeks ago, it came alive for me. The studio version *still* does little for me, but live, with that layer of gauze removed from Stipe's vocals, and more basic instrumentation (Buck on electric, McCaughey on acoustic, Mills' bass, Waronker's drums, and Stringfellow on keys), it gained a propulsiveness and power that it didn't have before. It even rocked. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:20:46 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio JRT456@aol.com on 2001/06/01 Fri AM 07:55:20 MDT wrote: >>You weren't paying attention. I specifically said, "Like Al Gore's kid..." >>But then, it's not like you ever saw any coverage about that particular >>teen >>on CNN. I sorta like how the subject line still applies, even though we're now talking about three presidential or vice-presidential offspring. Vice being the operative word, apparently. I remember seeing lots of coverage of Sarah Gore being caught with a beer, especially from the same media pundits who are now screaming "when was a Clinton/Gore child's transgressions covered like the youthful hijinks of these poor sweet twins?" Um, about five and a half years ago, that's when. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:42:00 -0400 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio Miles Goosens writes: | At 11:25 AM 6/1/2001 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: | >On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 Wes_Vokes@efunds.com wrote: | > | >> Am I the only one who likes the new REM? Sure, the songs are | >> mostly slow-to-midtempo and a few of them go on for a minute or | >> so too long, but they are fine songs! And they trounce the | >> Beach Boys better than the High Llamas ever did... | > | >The two problems you point out are indeed the two main | >problems. The tempo problem is exacerbated by the worst sequencing | >I've ever encountered on a major-label CD: tracks 2 - 5 are all | >slow, and three or four of them are even in the same key, making | >it worse. It improves massively in shuffle play. | | Jeffrey anticipates the main points of my REVEAL review (some portion | of which should appear in that same June 12th TOAST). With UP, I | remember thinking that the individual songs were for the most part | fine, but the lack of contrast, especially in tempo, made them all | blur into one big snoozefest. This is the same problem I have with Yo La Tengo's AND THEN NOTHING TURNED ITSELF INSIDE-OUT (that's overstating the 'problem'; it's still a fine album), but nobody ever seems to complain about it there. - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:59:51 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio I remember seeing lots of coverage of Sarah Gore being caught with a beer, especially from the same media pundits who are now screaming "when was a Clinton/Gore child's transgressions covered like the youthful hijinks of these poor sweet twins?" Um, about five and a half years ago, that's when. >>>>>>>> Yeah, even a cursory google search reveals a bunch of coverage, and apparently Tipper went on Fox TV to explain it all. Not to defend the Gore girls or anything: I'll never forgive them for that nasty look they gave poor little Chelsea at the first inauguration. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:09:12 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio Wes_Vokes@efunds.com wrote: > > Am I the only one who likes the new REM? Sure, the songs are mostly > slow-to-midtempo and a few of them go on for a minute or so too long, but > they are fine songs! And they trounce the Beach Boys better than the High > Llamas ever did... > Humming all the way to Reno.. > Wes There are songs on the album I like very much, most notably the first, third, and last tracks (sorry, I don't have the CD handy right now, and I haven't learned the song titles yet), but I have to agree with the "drags in the middle" club. It's not that the songs are bad, it's just that putting too many slow to mid tempo similar things in a row like that loses my short attention span. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:19:42 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio At 01:42 PM 6/1/01 -0400, Dan Schmidt wrote: >This is the same problem I have with Yo La Tengo's AND THEN NOTHING >TURNED ITSELF INSIDE-OUT (that's overstating the 'problem'; it's still >a fine album), but nobody ever seems to complain about it there. The reviews I saw of that album usually had the exact opposite complaint--they didn't think "Cherry Chapstick" fit in with all the slow and quiet songs around it. S NP: Caught In Flux--Eyeless in Gaza ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:35:09 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio Dan Schmidt wrote: > Miles Goosens writes: > | >The two problems you point out are indeed the two main > | >problems. The tempo problem is exacerbated by the worst sequencing > | >I've ever encountered on a major-label CD: tracks 2 - 5 are all > | >slow, and three or four of them are even in the same key, making > | >it worse. It improves massively in shuffle play. > | > | Jeffrey anticipates the main points of my REVEAL review (some portion > | of which should appear in that same June 12th TOAST). With UP, I > | remember thinking that the individual songs were for the most part > | fine, but the lack of contrast, especially in tempo, made them all > | blur into one big snoozefest. > > This is the same problem I have with Yo La Tengo's AND THEN NOTHING > TURNED ITSELF INSIDE-OUT (that's overstating the 'problem'; it's still > a fine album), but nobody ever seems to complain about it there. That's because it's critical heresy to say bad things about Yo La Tengo these days, just like it used to be with R.E.M., but isn't anymore. I like REVEAL quite a bit, but that's probably because I'm an R.E.M. apologist, not because it's a "great" album. I think it's an album you need to be in the mood for, but it's a mood I'm in quite a bit. To me, it sounds like KID A with a better singer. - -Steve Who'd like the first Ramones album more if the songs weren't all so damn short and fast! :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:46:43 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern power trio In a message dated 6/1/01 11:17:16 AM, dana-boy@juno.com writes: << Yeah, even a cursory google search reveals a bunch of coverage, and apparently Tipper went on Fox TV to explain it all. >> Sure, I remember the coverage of Sarah's underage drinking. It was about a quarter-day in the news cycle, without a single fevered journalistic roundtable or Washington Post headline addressing how her arrest warranted a closer investigation into White House policies. But the reasonable defense there must be that Al Gore wasn't an alcoholic--or, more accurately, the media hadn't declared him an alcoholic because he quit drinking. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:34:34 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio Everyone listening to REVEAL needs to wake up at track 6 -- "Saturn Return" remains my favorite by far. For me, the sominex finally kicks in during the final six songs. Steve Holtebeck sez: >> This is the same problem I have with Yo La Tengo's AND THEN NOTHING >> TURNED ITSELF INSIDE-OUT (that's overstating the 'problem'; it's still >> a fine album), but nobody ever seems to complain about it there. > >That's because it's critical heresy to say bad things about Yo La Tengo >these days, just like it used to be with R.E.M., but isn't anymore. Or it could be that some of 'em, like me, found Yo La Tengo's AND THEN NOTHING's hauntingly fragile Velvetsy constructions to be more interesting than R.E.M.'s two-album foray into Midtempoland. I'm not discounting GroupCriticThink's role in shading opinions, just saying that it could be a legit preference rather than parroting of the cognoscenti line. (Haven't most print & media takes on REVEAL been positive, though? That's my impression, anyway.) On the other hand -- the Yo La Tengo hand from a moment ago -- I liked I CAN HEAR THE HEART BEATING AS ONE better than AND THEN NOTHING... precisely because I CAN HEAR THE HEART... has the sort of sonic palette that can sustain a 60+ minute album. Some "Deeper Into Movies" to contrast against the "Shadows." Come to think of it, AND THEN NOTHING... has more internal contrast than REVEAL. >To me, >[REVEAL] sounds like KID A with a better singer. I don't get that at all -- KID A has those loose-limbed soundscapes (though I'll take Blur's loose-limbed soundscapes on the underappreciated _13_ over KID A's), whereas REVEAL seems to be about structure and craft, Arranging with the capital "A," more than anything else. Maybe you mean they're both relatively slow-paced and moody? Don't make me choose between Stipe and Thom Yorke! fondly remembering Radiohead's '95 set opening for R.E.M. in Nashville, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:36:38 EDT From: Cardinal007@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio In a message dated 6/1/01 10:59:29 AM, rwinston@tde.com writes: >No, I was paying attention. I was applauding Jenna, as opposed to "Al >Gore's kid", because "Unlike Al Gore's kid, though, she doesn't seem willing >to endanger others through irresponsible driving" (to quote you). I don't >know how I could've made that more clear. Just because I didn't ask specifically >what "Al Gore's kid" had done, it doesn't mean I didn't believe you. Alright!!!! Even though I like my frogman, Rwinston, I'm so glad to see that he, too, can be crystal clear yet somehow understood by members of this fine, fine list. But this time, HE was the victim of a partisan like my man, the now-married, bunny-humpin' JRT. Apparently [like we didn;t know this], mailing lists are no place to be clever. And before you say it, I know I've proved this ........... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:12:27 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio In a message dated 6/1/01 12:47:23 PM, Cardinal007@aol.com writes: << Alright!!!! Even though I like my frogman, Rwinston, I'm so glad to see that he, too, can be crystal clear yet somehow understood by members of this fine, fine list. But this time, HE was the victim of a partisan like my man, the now-married, bunny-humpin' JRT....>> Thanks for your support, Professor Corey. Or maybe Roger thanks you for your support. I dunno. I've read your e-mail several times now, and I still can't decide. Maybe you're just goofing on both of us. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:32:00 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] Another helping of Slaw I should have just waited and only posted one annoying self-serving message, but: Keyboard magazine's Slaw feature is now available online at http://www.keyboardonline.com, complete with audio samples (although better ones can be found at http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Slaw/index.html). Interestingly, they managed to pick the one potentially litigenic track out of 99. Shooting for the underage-drinker demographic, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:31:50 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio Miles Goosens wrote: > Everyone listening to REVEAL needs to wake up at track 6 -- "Saturn Return" > remains my favorite by far. For me, the sominex finally kicks in during > the final six songs. That's one of my favorites too.. I'm listening to the album right now, and there's a definite drag in interest before that song, but it perks up right near the end too. I think it's sequenced better than UP, but still in need of some shuffling. > Or it could be that some of 'em, like me, found Yo La Tengo's AND THEN > NOTHING's hauntingly fragile Velvetsy constructions to be more interesting > than R.E.M.'s two-album foray into Midtempoland. I'm not discounting > GroupCriticThink's role in shading opinions, just saying that it could be a > legit preference rather than parroting of the cognoscenti line. (Haven't > most print & media takes on REVEAL been positive, though? That's my > impression, anyway.) I've only seen a few reviews, and they've mostly ranged from reservedly positive to mixed. On the other hand, I don't think I saw one negative review of AND THEN NOTHING TURNED ITSELF INSIDE-OUT (which I also liked a lot.. It made my top ten last year). > >To me, > >[REVEAL] sounds like KID A with a better singer. > > I don't get that at all -- KID A has those loose-limbed soundscapes .., > whereas REVEAL seems to be about structure and craft, Arranging > with the capital "A," more than anything else. Maybe you mean they're both > relatively slow-paced and moody? I meant that the last couple of R.E.M. and Radiohead albums are "sound" as opposed to "song" albums, where the sound of the album as a whole overshadows the individual songs. More "chill" records than "party" records. I don't know... now everyone go back to talking about Jenna Bush so I can get back to work. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:40:16 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio JRT456@aol.com on 2001/06/01 Fri PM 02:12:27 MDT wrote: > << Alright!!!! Even though I like my frogman, Rwinston, I'm so glad to see > that he, too, can be crystal clear yet somehow understood by members of this > fine, fine list. > But this time, HE was the victim of a partisan like my man, the now-married, > bunny-humpin' JRT....>> > > Thanks for your support, Professor Corey. Or maybe Roger thanks you for your > support. I dunno. I've read your e-mail several times now, and I still can't > decide. Maybe you're just goofing on both of us. I gotta go with the bunny-humper(?) on this one (see, we do agree on some points). My liberal arts curriculum in college didn't actually contain many English courses, so I'm not as up on the language as most people around here. The use of the word "partisan" in this context especially confuses me. However, Card's statement does make a bit more sense if the word "misunderstood" is substituted for "understood", so maybe it's just a typo. But maybe not. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:07:47 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] Sparklehorse and other MUSIC I don't want Steve mad at me, so here's a token music-related post. Interesting article about the new Sparklehorse album: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=13985 I like this quote from Linkous: "The two rock songs on it are intentionally too abrasive for American radio and the instrumentation of the pop songs are with mellotrons and French horns instead of guitars. If I'm going to contribute to modern rock, it has to be in an interesting manner." I'm looking forward to this one. Too bad it doesn't say when it's due out. Also, I picked up the latest Waterboys release A ROCK IN THE WEARY LAND, after reading glenn's review of it, and I must say it's the best thing Mike Scott's done in a long time. Reminds of me of the old A PAGAN PLACE and THIS IS THE SEA grandeur. Hey glenn, what do you think of the new self-titled Ian McNabb album? I was actually pretty bored by it, though Rockin' For Jesus is kinda cute. The disc does pick up towards the very end. I also finally scored a copy of Plumtree's THIS DAY WON'T LAST AT ALL, which some around here have compared to the New Pornographers. There's definitely some catchy tunes on the disc ("Hello Again" for one), but it didn't grab me like MASS ROMANTIC did. I did like it a lot better on second listen than first though. Speaking of New Pornographers, I also got Destroyer's new STREETHAWK: A SEDUCTION. David Bowie and glam rock lives (vocally, at least)! Good one to stick in the multidisc player with the new Spacehog. Haven't listened to the new ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN yet, even though I have it. I like what I've heard from the radio, a lot. I suppose no one wants to talk about the new ECONOLINE CRUSH, since it was partially produced by Bob Rock and all... And Miles, I'm really sorry, but The Church's SOMETIME ANYWHERE really sucks. Not as much as MAGICIAN AMONG THE SPIRITS though. I kind of like HOLOGRAM OF BAAL. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:13:15 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] English gender question I'm just a postin' fool today! Okay, explain this one, English majors. Under the Yahoo/Entertainment/Reuters headlines today: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/re/ We have both "Actor Cate Blanchett Expecting Baby This Year" and "Actress Anne Heche Engaged to Cameraman" Is Cate Blanchett an ACTOR instead of an Actress because she was nominated for an Academy Award (tm) and Anne Heche wasn't? Or does this have something to do with the whole question of Heche's sexuality? Disturbed in Denver, Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:16:38 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sparklehorse and other MUSIC > Hey glenn, what do you think of the new self-titled Ian McNabb album? Haven't decided yet. It didn't really grab me on first listen. Or second. > Haven't listened to the new ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN yet, even though I have it. I've only played my copy once, and I certainly won't give up that easily, but I'm pessimistic. But man, the new Roxette... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:43:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jon Tveite Subject: Re: [loud-fans] English gender question On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > Is Cate Blanchett an ACTOR instead of an Actress because she was > nominated for an Academy Award (tm) and Anne Heche wasn't? Or does > this have something to do with the whole question of Heche's > sexuality? We are in kind of a transition period, slowly drifting away from the traditional gender-specific nouns and toward a unisex model. I tend to use "actor" for thespians of either gender, because it's silly to differentiate, to me. They both do the same job, and so gender is irrelevant information. Not everybody is concerned about that, however. What you have here is one reporter or news agency that is hip to non-gendered labels and one that isn't. No more disturbed than usual, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:30:24 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: [loud-fans] OT, but worth it i will be walking in the SF AIDS walk this year. you know what's coming next.... if you'd like to donate, please let me know. any amount helps. donations are per kilometer, and the walk is 10K. in other words, if you donate $1/K, your total would be $10. (i plan on finishing the walk!) donations should be turned in BEFORE the walk - July 13 at the absolute latest. if you send a check, it'd need to be sent around July 9th. checks are best. cash is ok too. i can also do credit card stuff, and donations can be made in payments. there is more info about the walk at http://www.aidswalk.net/aidswalksf/index.html. in addition, it looks like my company is going to match my donations, along with those of two other employees. in otherwords, everything you give counts twice. e-mail me offlist if you're interested. thanks. -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 19:31:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] English gender question Jon: > We are in kind of a transition period, slowly drifting away from the > traditional gender-specific nouns and toward a unisex model. I tend to > use "actor" for thespians of either gender, because it's silly to > differentiate, to me. They both do the same job, and so gender is > irrelevant information. Totally agree...now tell it to the Academy. The Academy _might_ consider renaming two categories: Best Male Director and Best Cinematography by a Male. As no woman has ever won either of these categories, they might as well be explicit in the title of the award. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:42:47 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Another helping of Slaw litigenic? m-w.com doesn't even know that one! definition? feeling silly and non-pedantic - maybe because our AC is busted. - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:58:54 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Another helping of Slaw >litigenic? m-w.com doesn't even know that one! Probably because I made it up. >definition? "Litigation-generating." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Another helping of Slaw On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: > of > 99.> > > litigenic? m-w.com doesn't even know that one! definition? I believe it's a portmanteau (spelled right on first try!) of litigioius and photogenic, i.e. attractive to potential lawsuits. J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:05:54 -0700 From: "W. David Barnes" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio on 6/1/01 8:18 AM, Wes_Vokes@efunds.com at Wes_Vokes@efunds.com wrote: > Am I the only one who likes the new REM? Sure, the songs are mostly > slow-to-midtempo and a few of them go on for a minute or so too long, but > they are fine songs! And they trounce the Beach Boys better than the High > Llamas ever did... > Humming all the way to Reno.. > Wes > > > > > Jer Fairall @smoe.org on 06/01/2001 09:49:42 AM > > Sent by: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org > > > To: nut-brown breasts > cc: > Subject: Re: [loud-fans] obscure southern trio > > > > > A definite thumbs-up for the new Go Go's, a tentative > one for the new Weezer (releasing a major label, > majorly anticipated album that doesn't even clock in > at a half hour is a pretty gutsy move) and no opinion > on the new REM, whom I gave up on after HI-FI. > > Jer I'm going to have to sign in here with Wes and say that I am digging the new REM as well. I like the pace and the songs and while the tempo might not be to the liking of some, it suits me just fine right now. Early favorite is 'All the Way to Reno'. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #101 *******************************