From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #99 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, May 31 2001 Volume 01 : Number 099 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Lyrics Mistakes ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] Lyrics Mistakes [Phil Gerrard ] Re: [loud-fans] Lyrics Mistakes ["Aaron Milenski" ] Re: [loud-fans] the pain, the pain... [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [loud-fans] Weasel pop [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] Lyrics Mistakes ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Overpowered by Lunch (fwd) [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Overpowered by Lunch [triggercut ] Re: [loud-fans] Amy Correia [Elizabeth Setler ] [loud-fans] The Church [popanda@juno.com] Re: [loud-fans] The Church [dc ] Re: [loud-fans] The Church [Stewart Mason ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:48:55 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lyrics Mistakes >I've been wondering for some time why the lyrics that come with CDs are so >often wrong in little ways. For example, as I sit here listenting to >Belle & Sebastian's "Tigermilk," I see that the lyrics insert says >Mary Jo starts "Mary Jo, sitting alone / Drinking tea, she just got home." >But listening to the song, I think he's clearly singing "Mary Jo, living >alone / Drinking tea, on her own." > >So why are little mistakes like this so common in the lyric sheets? I >assume that the inserts are done after the music has been recorded, so I >doubt there's any issue of the band changing lyrics. Are they just lazy? >Are there poetic considerations that lead them to write one thing and sing >another? > >I don't have many pet peeves, but this is one of them. In the cases I know, it's an issue of the atrit writing one lyric and changing it in the studio either through "inspiration" or, more often, through forgetting the actual words. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:01:27 +0100 From: Phil Gerrard Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lyrics Mistakes Michael, then Aaron: > >So why are little mistakes like this so common in the lyric sheets? > >I assume that the inserts are done after the music has been recorded, > >so I doubt there's any issue of the band changing lyrics. Are they > >just lazy? Are there poetic considerations that lead them to write > >one thing and sing another? > > > >I don't have many pet peeves, but this is one of them. > > In the cases I know, it's an issue of the atrit writing one lyric and > changing it in the studio either through "inspiration" or, more often, > through forgetting the actual words. One exception from my own collection is the CD reissue of Tom Verlaine's first album, in which the lyric sheet has clearly been transcribed from the record, seemingly by somebody with a limited grasp of English: even on some occasions when the song title forms part of the lyric, the transcriber manages to screw up. It makes for painful reading. peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:07:54 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lyrics Mistakes >Michael, then Aaron, then Phil: > > > >So why are little mistakes like this so common in the lyric sheets? > > >I assume that the inserts are done after the music has been recorded, > > >so I doubt there's any issue of the band changing lyrics. Are they > > >just lazy? Are there poetic considerations that lead them to write > > >one thing and sing another? > > > > > >I don't have many pet peeves, but this is one of them. > > > > In the cases I know, it's an issue of the atrit writing one lyric and > > changing it in the studio either through "inspiration" or, more often, > > through forgetting the actual words. > >One exception from my own collection is the CD reissue of Tom >Verlaine's first album, in which the lyric sheet has clearly been >transcribed from the record, seemingly by somebody with a limited >grasp of English: even on some occasions when the song title >forms part of the lyric, the transcriber manages to screw up. It >makes for painful reading. I own a number of Japanese-issued albums by US bands, including THE VELVET UNDERGROUND AND NICO and PRETENDERS II. These lyric sheets are rather amusing. At least they gave up and didn't even try to transcribe "Black Angel's Death Song." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:05:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the pain, the pain... On Tue, 22 May 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: [King Of The Hill] > Also, I'm increasingly annoyed at the show's cheap-ass animation, and > at the fact that there's no real *reason* for it to be animated. my impression is that it's still very hard for a live-action sitcom to get away without a laugh track, while i don't think animated shows *ever* have them anymore. for this reason, i wouldn't mind if every comedy on TV were animated, and i certainly don't object to King Of The Hill being that way. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:13:45 -0400 From: "Brett Milano" Subject: [loud-fans] Weasel pop I always preferred Allan Sherman's lyrics: My daughter needs a new phonograph She wore out all her needles Besides, I broke the old one in half Pop hates the Beatles ....And if anyone can remember the other ten verses, go for it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:59:34 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Weasel pop Brett Milano wrote: > I always preferred Allan Sherman's lyrics: > > My daughter needs a new phonograph > She wore out all her needles > Besides, I broke the old one in half > Pop hates the Beatles > She says they have a Liverpool beat. She says they used to play there. Four nice kids from off the street. Why didn't they stay there? What is all the screaming about? Fainting and swooning. Sounds to me like their guitars Could use a little tuning. The boys are from the British Empire. The British think they're keen. If that is what the British desire, God Save The Queen. No daughter of mine can push me around. In my home I'm the master. But when the Beatles come into town, Gad, what a disaster. Little girls in sneakers and jeans. Destroyed the territory. 'Twas like some of the gorier scenes From West Side Story. Of course my daughter had to go there. The tickets are cheap, she hollers. I was able to pick up a pair For forty-seven dollars. When the Beatles come on the stage, They scream and shriek and cheer them. Now I know why they're such a rage, It's impossible to hear them. Ringo is the one with the drum, The others all play with him. It shows you what a boy can become Without a sense of rhythm. There's Beatle books and T-shirts and rings, And one thing and another. To buy my daughter all of these things, I had to sell her brother. Back in 1776 We fought the British then, folks. Parents of America, It's time to do it again, folks. When they come back, here's how we'll begin, We'll throw 'em in Boston harbor. But please, before we toss 'em all in, Let's take 'em to a barber. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:14:28 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Lyrics Mistakes >I own a number of Japanese-issued albums by US bands, including THE VELVET >UNDERGROUND AND NICO and PRETENDERS II. These lyric sheets are rather >amusing. At least they gave up and didn't even try to transcribe "Black >Angel's Death Song." Care to share a few samples, Aaron? The innumerable elections of its fate adjusted out after a disk, so that it selects, which had it for losing, Andy "I got high last night on LSD/My mind was beautiful and I was free/Warts loved my nipples because they are pink/Vomit on me baby yeah yeah yeah." Jim Reid grins maliciously. Not one of his own lyrics, unfortunately. That's from Blind Man's Penis by John Trubee & The Greeks. "Wanna beer?" [--from an article by David Cavanagh wherein Jim Reid, late of the Jesus And Mary Chain, details his favorite records, http://www.amniisia.com/aprilskies/news/int061.html ] (courtesy Doug Taylor) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:14:46 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Overpowered by Lunch (fwd) Michael Zwirn asked: >So for the bulk of the nation, Schlotzsky's is the closest you can get >to a Jewish-style New York deli? Dunno. It's probably easier to find one in the Midwest, with its large German immigrant population, but every large Southern city I've spent any time in has at least one decent one. Ours in Nashville just don't happen to be downtown, and thus they're not among my lunchtime options. My favorite here is the wonderfully-named Noshville. Stewart said: >"Derivation" is the key word here, as Schlotzsky's has moved so far away >from the true muffuletta that the fact that both sandwiches are round and >cut into quarters is the main point of comparison. They're cut into halves at all the Nashville locations. Finally, from an earlier thread, Andy H. quoted Paul Henry thusly: >"The Boeing 747 is a very large aircraft, really amazingly huge.... >I would have really enjoyed listening to >the headphones to take my mind off my problems, but of course mine were >broken; the 'down' button on the armrest was broken, causing the mechanism >to cycle endlessly through the available channels. As if all this weren't >marvelous enough, shortly after takeoff the toilets started breaking down, >forcing at least one of them to be closed and increasing the number of >ass-wavers." If you're flying an airline that specifies what aircraft is scheduled to be used on a flight, *always* go for the Airbus. Last February, our flight to London on a Virgin Atlantic Airbus couldn't have been more pleasant; our return trip on a 747 wasn't as frightful as Mr. Henry's, but the contrast between the two showed that a *lot* has improved in aircraft design since the '60s and '70s, at least from the passenger-comfort-and-service perspective. later, Miles np: nothing. earlier in the car: Alejandro Escovedo, BOURBONITIS BLUES ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:22:35 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] being sneaky (ns) I don't know if anyone else here works for an evil company that blocks access to websites, but I do. While I don't use Napster (blocked), I do occasionally go to mp3.com (also blocked). Today, for example, I wanted to finally check out Paula C's stuff, which is posted there. Anyway, long story short, does everyone know about safeweb.com, which was designed to allow the Chinese to surf safely (I think) but can also help those of us working for mean people. Now I can finally keep up with JRT's latest articles (Playboy is blocked too). - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:07:26 -0500 From: triggercut Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Overpowered by Lunch Ahh, restaurant music. A topic I hold dear to my heart. Most restaurants here in the Midwest (and perhaps nationwide, I'm not familiar with too many operations outside of this area, though) use either DMX or Muzak for their ambient music. My restaurant just switched from the former to the latter, and Muzak absolutely blows away it's competition. The setup varies by store, too. Some places use a cable hookup for their tunes. My experience is that this is just a nightmare waiting to happen: the satellite at the cable host goes out during any mild storm, and the cable hookup itself is also pretty suspect and in need of repair. A better way to do things is to use the CD-I players that both services provide. You get a special player and special CD-looking things that play (in Muzak's case) up to seven hours at a time. The discs are themed ("Adult Contemporary", "Classic Jazz", "Great Singers", etc.) and usually contain a ton of songs. Anyway, one of our Muzak discs is entitled "Acoustic Crossroads" and features four hours of music by Wilco, Son Volt, the Jayhawks (from the BLUE EARTH lp, no less!), Mary Chapin Carpenter, Peter Case (five songs!), Alison Krause, Gillian Welch, etc. etc. I'm not sure I could've put together a better "alt-country for general consumption" comp if I tried. Miles Goosens wrote: > > Today I ate lunch at the Schlotzsky's in downtown Nashville. In the past, > I've noticed that this particular Schlotzsky's has a more interesting > background music program than you'd expect from a Nashville outpost of a > chain deli,* as I've heard Wilco and Matthew Sweet tunes while dining there > before. > > But today's musical selections were even more outstanding. Among the ones > I remember were Midnight Oil's "Blue Sky Mining," a good cover of the > Pixies' "Here Comes Your Man," and the most impressive of the bunch, the > Clash's "Overpowered By Funk." That's right, not its albummates "Rock the > Casbah" or "Should I Stay or Should I Go," nor the Clash's only other U.S. > hit, "Train in Vain," but overlooked album track "Overpowered By > Funk." Heck, the worst song I heard during the forty minutes I spent there > was the Stone Roses' overpowered-by-blooze "Love Spreads." > > Yeah, it wouldn't be quite so impressive for a college radio show or an > hour of WFMU, but for piped-in lunch music, it pretty much rocks. > > Miles > > *If there was a good independent deli in downtown, I'd eat there > instead. But our downtown has a bad independent deli, a passable > independent deli, and a mediocre "wraps" place, so Schlotzsky's is the best > choice when in the sandwich mood. There's good Greek, German, Italian, and > Thai within a block of my building on either side (and an upgraded Mexican > place soon, hurrah!), so it's not like anyone's suffering here. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:45:56 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Overpowered by Lunch (fwd) At 01:14 PM 5/30/01 -0500, Miles Goosens wrote: >Michael Zwirn asked: > >So for the bulk of the nation, Schlotzsky's is the closest you can get > >to a Jewish-style New York deli? > >Dunno. It's probably easier to find one in the Midwest, with its large >German immigrant population, but every large Southern city I've spent any >time in has at least one decent one. Ours in Nashville just don't happen >to be downtown, and thus they're not among my lunchtime options. My >favorite here is the wonderfully-named Noshville. I think probably any city of at least a quarter-million people likely has at least an attempt at a decent Jewish-style deli. Most of them aren't that successful, but hell, most of *any* style of restaurant aren't worth a damn. >If you're flying an airline that specifies what aircraft is scheduled to be >used on a flight, *always* go for the Airbus. Last February, our flight to >London on a Virgin Atlantic Airbus couldn't have been more pleasant; our >return trip on a 747 wasn't as frightful as Mr. Henry's, but the contrast >between the two showed that a *lot* has improved in aircraft design since >the '60s and '70s, at least from the passenger-comfort-and-service perspective. If you can't get an Airbus (which I've only ever gotten on flights out of the country--the Denver-Toronto leg of my annual film fest trip is usually on an Air Canada Airbus, and it's always every bit as nice as Miles says), always go for the McDonnell-Douglass Super 80. It's a smaller plane, but that works to its advantage--because there's only five seats across instead of six, both the seats themselves and the aisle between them are wider, exceedingly handy if you're six and a half feet tall and occasionally need to stick your feet out into the aisle to keep your legs from cramping. 700-series planes are like veal pens. S NP: The Wake--"Talk About the Past" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:46:04 -0700 From: Cindy Alvarez Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the pain, the pain... >On Tue, 22 May 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >[King Of The Hill] >> Also, I'm increasingly annoyed at the show's cheap-ass animation, and >> at the fact that there's no real *reason* for it to be animated. > >my impression is that it's still very hard for a live-action sitcom to get >away without a laugh track, while i don't think animated shows *ever* have >them anymore. for this reason, i wouldn't mind if every comedy on TV were >animated, and i certainly don't object to King Of The Hill being that way. there was something I wanted to say when Jeffrey first posted this message, and I just managed to articulate it: it's always been my feeling that animation has allowed the KOTH characters to maintain some dignity -- if they were live-action characters, they'd be completely hicked-out by overzealous casting/costume people: Bobby would become The Fat Kid, Luann would become Daisy Duke II, Boomhauer would become the Texan Kramer... ugh. c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:08:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the pain, the pain... On Wed, 30 May 2001, Cindy Alvarez wrote: > there was something I wanted to say when Jeffrey first posted this message, > and I just managed to articulate it: it's always been my feeling that > animation has allowed the KOTH characters to maintain some dignity -- if > they were live-action characters, they'd be completely hicked-out by > overzealous casting/costume people: Bobby would become The Fat Kid, Luann > would become Daisy Duke II, Boomhauer would become the Texan Kramer... ugh. That's true, and it's an interesting effect. I see it also in (the one episode I've watched of) _That's My Bush_: stuff that the "South Park" kids can get away with, looking like little construction paper cutouts, just came across as stupid and pointless with live actors. I agree with Aaron that laugh tracks are evil and intrusive - you'll note that _Malcolm in the Middle_ does not have one (and doesn't need it). I'm hoping a rash of copycats copies that, if nothing else. - --Jeff, whose posts never come with laugh tracks (although they could, theoretically) J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. ::I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! __"raus"__ np: Opal _Happy Nightmare Baby_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:27:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Overpowered by Lunch (fwd) On Wed, 30 May 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > Michael Zwirn asked: > >So for the bulk of the nation, Schlotzsky's is the closest you can get > >to a Jewish-style New York deli? > > Dunno. It's probably easier to find one in the Midwest, with its large > German immigrant population, but every large Southern city I've spent any > time in has at least one decent one. Ours in Nashville just don't happen > to be downtown, and thus they're not among my lunchtime options. My > favorite here is the wonderfully-named Noshville. Not "Nashville Katz's"? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Drive ten thousand miles across America and you will know more about ::the country than all the institutes of sociology and political science ::put together. __Jean Baudrillard__ np: Orso _Long Time By_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:52:35 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Overpowered by Lunch (fwd) At 03:27 PM 5/30/2001 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Wed, 30 May 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: >> to be downtown, and thus they're not among my lunchtime options. My >> favorite here is the wonderfully-named Noshville. > >Not "Nashville Katz's"? Ha! However, that's one letter off from our Arena League football team, the Kats. later, Miles, who wishes Roxy Music would get that Atlanta date sorted out soon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:54:56 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] On the cover of the Rolling Stone OK, not quite, but my band Slaw is "Unsigned Artist of the Month" in the June issue of Keyboard magazine. Check it out next time you're at the newsstand; we're on page 19. Eventually the article should be up at http://www.keyboardonline.com as well. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:54:48 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Correia On Tue, 29 May 2001 23:06:39 -0400 Dana L Paoli writes: > p.s. apologies have been made to the divine Miss Jen. I responded to > an > off-list post that I couldn't tell was an off-list post. Dana, how > can > you tell with Juno that it is an off-list post? Me confused. > >>>>>>>>>>> > Oh, I'll address this to the list anyhow, just in case anyone else > is wondering. > > Under "Options" go to "Show Message Headers" and select "Main." > When you get a message, look at the first few lines. They will look > something like this: > > From: popanda@juno.com > To: loud-fans@smoe.org > Cc: dana-boy@juno.com > Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:37:08 -0400 > Subject: [loud-fans] The Kinks were much, much better than the Beach > Boys > > If you don't see "loud-fans@smoe.org" in the "To:" section or the > "Cc:" section, then it's an off list post. > > If you do see "loud-fans@smoe.org" in the "To:" section of the "Cc:" > section, then it's an on list post. > > Smart off-list posters make sure to remove the [loud-fans] from the > subject line, but you can't always count on that. > > --dana > Thankyou Dana. I'm not completely enamored with Juno, but there are no grounds for bitching about a free service. I adjusted my settings. - -Mark, knowing just enough about computers to be dangerous p.s. How 'bout that Congressional switch! Yes. And just when I thought Alaska's wildlife was doomed and we all were gonna glow even brighter from more nuclear power.... np Lush GALA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:11:25 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Correia popanda@juno.com on 2001/05/30 Wed PM 05:54:48 MDT wrote: > p.s. How 'bout that Congressional switch! Yes. And just when I thought > Alaska's wildlife was doomed and we all were gonna glow even brighter > from more nuclear power.... Oboy! More political talk! Let's discuss the California Energy Crisis too while we're at it! And I'm sure we can work religion in there somewhere. Congrats to Tim on the Keyboard article! Wish I still subscribed... Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:34:57 -0700 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Amy Correia I always thought Amy was in the Victoria Williams/Rickie Lee Jones vein, myself. Her album was last year's biggest pleasant shock for me; having seen her open for about a zillion people, I'd always liked her, but having heard the same ten or twelve songs most of those zillion times, I wasn't in a huge hurry to buy the album and hear them again. Turned out to be a top 5 of the year selection for me. Another incentive to see her live, if you are a boy or anyone who is attracted to girls: She's a major cutie. And I say that as someone who doesn't fit into either of those categories. :-) Question for Bay Area folks (or anyone else with an opinion): We're probably going to be in Berkeley for the 125 Records event on June 30th. We may have a nearby place to stay, but the potential hosts may be moving soon - so maybe not. Any recommendations for affordable, non-terrifying hotels in the area? Off-list responses may be appropriate (unless there's an enormous show of interest). Thanks! - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:14:01 -0400 From: popanda@juno.com Subject: [loud-fans] The Church Does anyone have any information about the new Church album, After Everything, on the Thirsty Ear label? I've read it's out in one magazine, but read somewhere else that it's been delayed. It isn't showing up on the computers at my local unit shifters. Thanks. M np The Lassie Foundation Pacifico ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:44:33 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Church > Does anyone have any information about the new Church album, After > Everything, on the Thirsty Ear label? I've read it's out in one > magazine, but read somewhere else that it's been delayed. It isn't > showing up on the computers at my local unit shifters. Thanks. according to a 5/9 update on what seems to be the most reliable Church site (http://church.tristesse.com), Peter Koppes is quoted as saying the album has been delayed until early next year, for promotional reasons (?). this site, BTW, contains some material of interest to The List -- root around a little (assuming the link is still valid), and you can find some commentary by Donette Thayer on the relative merits of the Church and Game Theory, and their songwriters. *brief excerpts* follow.... in neutrality, dc vicinity of seattle *brief excerpts* on scott miller: "Yay! a Scott fan. He is certainly one of the true geniuses I have known in my lifetime. Though one wonders what he might choose to say if The Church ever came up in a casual conversation. Should he divulge the sordid particulars over a beer in a smoke-filled bar? I think not; besides thats one of the purposes of song writing -- to tell the whole story in all of its gruesome detail and then claim poetic license. Another possibility involves a lackadaisical mention of this connection, one which caused him great pain in many ways. Unlikely that any one would want to initiate such a conversation, certainly not a man as reserved as Scott. His best possible course of action would be to smilingly acknowledge such a comment, and let it pass." on steve kilbey: "He is by far and away the most talented creative force I have ever encountered. He dismisses this genius by attributing it to his ability to remember things, and indeed he does seem to have a massive knowledge store in his skull which holds every song, every joke, every poem, clothing item, etc. that has made any impact on him. He claimed that he creates less than he synthesizes, creating new particulars by combining or recreating material from his exhaustive memory. I disputed this, and I know from my own creative work that the only way that a person becomes able to differentiate between synthesis creativity and bolt of lightning creativity is by experiencing the latter on a relatively regular basis." on scott miller and steve kilbey: "Scott Miller taught me how to write music that holds up in court (so to speak). Because of his direction, I dont write lyrics that I cant publish on their own, hoping that the music will carry them. Steve taught me how to groove; his objection to Game Theory was that the minute we caught a groove, we would be off on something else (and indeed most Game Theory songs had about sixty zillion chords, forty bridges and two hundred different verses)..... Favorite Album: Lolita Nation, favorite song: all of Lolita Nation. I played Lolita Nation for Steve shortly after it came out, and he liked it very much. He complained about how he would never be able to put out a sprawling record like that, much as he would have liked to..." on heroin: "If you choose heroin as your intoxicant, I hope you like songs and prose about heroin because thats all youll get -- probably for the rest of your life. Boring! But somewhat tidier than a drunken rampage. Cocaine makes for a fun songwriting fest, but you end up with songs that have a lot of bar chords played really fast that you cant remember later because they suck. At least with cocaine theres a reasonable chance that you might write seventeen bad songs and still get those dishes washed..." ########### ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:07:09 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Church At 06:44 PM 5/30/01 -0700, dc wrote: >Steve taught me how to groove; his objection to Game Theory was that the >minute we caught a groove, we would be off on something else I'm sorry, is there a special "funky" Church album I've somehow missed? While the boys were always able to drone effectively ("Maybe These Boys," "Reptile," etc.) I don't recall ever hearing them get within spitting distance of something that could be called a groove without sniggering. S NP: bootleg of all the Beatles' Christmas messages ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #99 ******************************