From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #94 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, May 26 2001 Volume 01 : Number 094 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] What are you going to do with your bunnies? [popanda@juno] [loud-fans] History in the making (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] TV rants against God/ Pernice [JRT456@aol.com] [loud-fans] Jack Logan and a handful of capsules. [dmw ] [loud-fans] the comic world of jack logan [Betsy Lescosky Way ] Re: [loud-fans] the comic world of jack logan [jenny grover ] RE: [loud-fans] You Go(-go) Girl ["Jeff Downing" ] Re: [loud-fans] You Go(-go) Girl ["Jeff Brenneman" ] Re: [loud-fans] ah, now that explains a lot... [Miles Goosens writes: > At 08:44 AM 5/24/2001 -0400, popanda@juno.com wrote: > >For those who like Ian and co. (or maybe just his spiky die hard > '80s > >hair and pouty lips...like sugar lol), the new Echo and the > Bunnymen > >record is not a disappointment. It is like the Lloyd Cole and > the > >Negatives release in that we've been down this road many times > before, > >but the scenery is never tiresome (with the exception of > REVERBERATION > >and that faux vocalist, and not counting the false start of > >Electrafixion). It's rockier than '99s WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO > WITH > >YOUR LIFE?. It ain't no OCEAN RAIN, but it's pretty good stuff > IMHO. > > Just about anything would be rockier than WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO > WITH > YOUR LIFE?, which put me straight to sleep with unmemorable ballad > after > unmemorable ballad after unmemorable ballad. I'll put it this way: > WHAT > ARE YOU GOING... makes REVEAL sound like MONSTER. So if the new > album has > more bite, it's welcome news to me. I'm still more excited over the > > Bunnymen boxed set, though. > > Incidentally, there's a guy on the Roxy Music list who thinks that > Echo and > the Bunnymen are the worst band in the history of humankind, and his > head > nearly exploded in '99 when Mac cited Roxy Music as a major > influence. > > Two live notes: > * I saw the Bunnymen on their 1997 U.S. tour, and I saw > Electrafixion the > year before. While overall neither could match the '88 show I saw > (R.I.P. > Pete DeFritas), Will Sergeant just keeps getting better and better > -- even > when saddled with the cumbersome Electrafixion material, his playing > was > amazing. I'd happily go see them again if this wasn't a typical > "Bunnymen > Avoid the South" tour, or if I had enough vacation time to slide up > to > Chicago or Cleveland... > > * Speaking of Lloyd Cole and the Negatives, they played Nashville on > March > 20th. It was his first-ever Nashville date, and my first Cole show > after > nearly seventeen years of fandom. Jeff Downing, Angie, Melissa, and > I > snagged a front-row table at a jam-packed 12th & Porter (full on a > Tuesday > night!), and were ready to be mightily entertained. > > Rarely have I been so disappointed. I wasn't expecting the > Commotions, or > the precise brilliance of the Quine/Sweet/Maher combo from the first > solo > albums, but the Negatives played everything tentatively, not even > managing > a "ragged but right" enthusiasm. The entire show lacked momentum > and > pacing, though Lloyd seemed feyly pleased with himself and his band. > I > can't imagine why. Perhaps Lloyd should have peppered the setlist > with > uptempo workouts like "Tell Your Sister" and "I Hate To See You Baby > Doin' > That Stuff," more basic fare that this band might have stood a > chance of > pulling off. I guess I hadn't realized how much the bulk of Lloyd's > > material depends on expert and precise execution, but songs like "No > Blue > Skies" and "Perfect Skin" came out sounding indifferent at best > since no > one in the band seemed able to pull off the parts. Sure, Lloyd was > a bit > under the weather, and the band isn't a full-time concern for any of > its > members, but even taking all that into consideration, the show fell > well > short of tepid. I'd been literally hopping with enthusiasm two > weeks > before when Melissa and I came to the club for a Scott Miller show > and > spotted the Lloyd Cole flyers; I left with a scowl on my face and > without > the Negatives CD I had planned to buy direct from Lloyd after the > show. Let him come back and earn it next time. > > later, > > Miles > Perhaps Lloyd had his mind on his golf game. I love Lloyd, but he strikes me as being a bit like Morrissey in that he's kind of a queenie...scowl on the face because of orange M&Ms found in the backstage candy bowl. You know. It's just one of those quirks...I've had friends like that in the past, and know this particular brand of individual well. The whole day is ruined because they shaved off one sideburn too high or something. However, I imagine he would be great on a night when everything was in synch. Oh these tortured artistes. Where would we be without them? Oh, before I forget, there's an interview with Guided by Voices in the Atlanta mag Stomp and Stammer (www.stompandstammer.com), not that this has anything to do with Mr. Cole, but you know how stream-of-consciousness is. Next I'll be thinking of burly elderly Russian women in hula skirts screaming "I want my MTV" or something equally as bizarre like a "disturbing home video" out of SPROCKETS. M np Bobbie Gentry GREATEST HITS "Yeah, but it is art, Eddy?" Patsy, ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:07:16 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] History in the making (ns) In about three minutes, Glen Jones of WFMU will be commencing his attempt to shatter the Guinness World Record for Marathon Broadcast DJing. Most likely, it'll get more interesting as it goes along: I believe that he has to stay awake for about three days in a row, and he's not the most stable person to begin with (lest anyone be concerned, I mean that in a non-DSM-IV sense). Anyone interested in witnessing history in the making can either go to wfmu.org (there's apparantly a video feed in addition to audio) or tune in on a radio (91.1 or 90.1 FM, depending on where you live in New York/New Jersey). Unfortunately, TV Guide will not have a synopsis. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:10:52 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] TV rants against God/ Pernice In a message dated 5/24/01 10:42:56 PM, steveschiavo@mac.com writes of the murder of several Christians: <> I probably would have forgotten that important distinction in the heat of all the initial outraged national coverage...that is, if there had been any. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:11:13 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] Jack Logan and a handful of capsules. On Thu, 24 May 2001, Andrew Hamlin on Jack Logan > I haven't kept up, I'm sorry to say, with his subsequent releases. Anyone > care to assess them? I think there's defnitely a smidgeon of the "ten-year's-worth-of-great-songs" on the first album syndrome that plauged Suzanne Vega, Liz Phair etc., but like Phair and Vega, I find Logan's subsequent material to be worthwhile & interesting, if not quite as amazing as the debut. "Suicide Doors," in particular, from, uh, I think it's _Liquor Cabinet_ is probably my favorite Logan tune. Well, after "Female Jesus" and "Fuck Everything," I guess. I remember thinking the Logan/Kimball record was really good, but I can't recall anything from it right now. Miles was disappointed by Lloyd & the Negatives; never saw 'em live, but the _Negatives_ CD strikes me as the best thing Cole's done since _Easy Pieces_. (I quit paying attention at some point and haven't heard the '99 alleged "return-to-form" record.) On "What Are Records" with a disproportionate 3 of my current years top ten (Black's _Dog in the Sand_ almost certainly won't make the year's best cut; House of Large Sizes' _Idiots Out Wandering Around_ almost certainly will. I'm disappointed by The Bicycle Thief's _You Come and Go Like a Pop Song_ (this would be Thelonious Monster-frontman Bob Forrest pulling a Game -> Family on your ass). Too preachy by half, vocals a little too histrionic in places, too processed in others, still some good catchy stuff. I think I liked "Trust Fund Girl" all the way through. I was annoyed by the anti drug song, but it (perhaps) inspired a weird-ass nightmare about going out to score smack in the alleys around our rehearsal space. I'm really digging Vic Chesnutt's _Left to His Own Devices_, a home-tracked affair that finds Vic stacking up some nicely off-barbershop harmony vocals on some dark-humored tunes. Reminds me far more of Waits, Tom, Cave, Nick and Knox, Chris than anything else I've ever heard. One clunker beating a good line into the ground, unfortunately it's kinda catchy. But "distortion" is flat great, one of the best tunes I've heard this year. Cautious thumbs-up on the new Mogwai; maybe someday I'll stop expecting them to burst into the glorious cathartic cacaphony that characterized the first two records, but not when they're giving albums titles like "Rock Action." The noise danses around the edges (most obviously in the distorted, but subdued, drums on opener "sine wave," but i still wishe it would come back to front and center. Howe Gelb's _Confluence_: why is this billed as a solo record, not a Giant Sand record? Burns and Convertino are all over it (good thing too; one a indie rock's most flexible rhythm sections). But I played this back to back with last year's Giant Sand opus, _Chore of Enchantment_, and I swear you could swap any pair of songs -- even the long found sound collage avec francais -- from disc to disc without creating a jarring shift in either album. If you're a fan of Gelb's, then, this is another in a long series of remarkably consistent records. If you're not, don't start here, try _Ramp_ or _Center of the Universe_. Kristin Hersh _Sunny Border Blue_: Fuck, I hope she's okay. Not reading too much in, separate the singer from the song and all that, but lines like "why'd I trust a band who'd leave me one by one" sorta invite speculation about autobiographical applicability, and that line apart, if my significant other came up with a batch of tunes like this, well, I'd be worried. Full of references to drink, drugs and (related?) betrayals, maybe lyrically the creepiest, most focused record Hersh has done since the first Throwing Muses, with some of the most intense vocal performances she's done in years. Even a hot guitar solo or two, and only a few tunes really suffer from the i-recorded-everything-myself constriction. - -- d. np Signs Point To Yes _Are We There Yet?_ our hometown pallies make good with a chunky, rich record bursting with ear candy. they have better guitar sounds than on our record, dammit! = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:22:16 -0400 From: Betsy Lescosky Way Subject: [loud-fans] the comic world of jack logan Andy writes: >Jack Logan is a hale fellow (well-met?) from Widner, Georgia by way of >Illinois. He drew the comic book that went with the Coolies' rock opera >DOUG, released in 1988... He also drew two comics about one of our favorite drunken airline passengers, Pete Buck: http://www.onlineathens.com/rockathens/bands/jacklogan.shtml I've never seen the second one, but I do have a copy of the first one, and let me tell you, it's funny. - --betsy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:51:22 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jack Logan and a handful of capsules. At 09:11 AM 5/25/2001 -0400, dmw wrote: >Miles was disappointed by Lloyd & the Negatives; never saw 'em live, but >the _Negatives_ CD strikes me as the best thing Cole's done since _Easy >Pieces_. (I quit paying attention at some point and haven't heard the '99 >alleged "return-to-form" record.) I don't remember it being touted as a "return to form" record, more of a back-to-basics thing, but LOVE STORY (1995) is the last thing Cole did before THE NEGATIVES, far as I know. I'm still no fan of EASY PIECES, but the three-album sequence of MAINSTREAM (the final Commotions record), LLOYD COLE or _X_, and DON'T GET WEIRD ON ME BABE doesn't strike me as a disappointing form at all. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:58:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jack Logan and a handful of capsules. On Fri, 25 May 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > I don't remember it being touted as a "return to form" record, more of a > back-to-basics thing, but LOVE STORY (1995) is the last thing Cole did > before THE NEGATIVES, far as I know. _Love Story_ is what I meant. > I'm still no fan of EASY PIECES, but the three-album sequence of MAINSTREAM > (the final Commotions record), LLOYD COLE or _X_, and DON'T GET WEIRD ON ME > BABE doesn't strike me as a disappointing form at all. I'm a _Rattlesnakes_ boy. Thought it was all kinda down hill from there. I don't know that I even heard any of the post-Commotions records all the way through, but I never heard anything that convinced me that was a terrible mistake. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 8:36:36 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jack Logan and a handful of capsules. dmw on 2001/05/25 Fri AM 07:58:41 MDT wrote: > On Fri, 25 May 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > > I'm still no fan of EASY PIECES, but the three-album sequence of MAINSTREAM > > (the final Commotions record), LLOYD COLE or _X_, and DON'T GET WEIRD ON ME > > BABE doesn't strike me as a disappointing form at all. > > I'm a _Rattlesnakes_ boy. Thought it was all kinda down hill from there. > I don't know that I even heard any of the post-Commotions records all the > way through, but I never heard anything that convinced me that was a > terrible mistake. I gotta echo Miles on this one. I loved RATTLESNAKES, but I think MAINSTREAM and especially DON'T GET WEIRD ON ME BABE are much better, more mature records. (I'm not a big fan of the self-titled first solo album tho.) BABE is gorgeous, and I'm sure it's in my all-time Top 50. But I better not talk about it anymore, since discussion of it here always seems to degenerate into arguments about the lyrical intent of "She's A Girl and I'm A Man". As for THE NEGATIVES, I like it better than LOVE STORY. It's at least got 5 or 6 good songs (i.e. ones that remind me of the old Lloyd while still breaking new ground), whereas LS had only about 2 or 3. The less said about BAD VIBES, the better... Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:10:42 -0700 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] You Go(-go) Girl I think I heard someone here, at some point, waxing lustfully over Belinda Carlisle. Am I not mistaken? So, in the interest of passing along what little knowledge I may have, I understand that she's scheduled to disrobe sometime later this summer in Mr. Hefner's glossy mag. Not that I myself am interested in any way.... Please, oh God, please let Susanna Hoffs be next. OK - now back to your regularly scheduled political/religious debate, Doug S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:22:23 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the comic world of jack logan Betsy Lescosky Way wrote: > > He also drew two comics about one of our favorite drunken airline > passengers, Pete Buck: okay, NOW i know who he is! they were up online at one point, but i can't seem to find a link to them that still works. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:23:34 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: [loud-fans] old thread - tattoos - OT i'm looking for a studio that can do very fine line work, highly detailed, delicate, intricate stuff, within 4 hours of the bay area. the person i wanted to do it has retired and sold all his gear. he gave me a referral for a guy in atascadero, but i'd be interested in recommendations around here. i know some of you were saying that you have had tattoo work done, but i can't remember whether it was anyone around here. i'm considering black and blue tattoo in SF, but don't know much about it. any suggestions? - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:32:38 EDT From: Serotoninkilla@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] any lonely Loud fans? http://www.geocities.com/asianprince213 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:40:28 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] You Go(-go) Girl So, in the interest of passing along what little knowledge I may have, I understand that she's scheduled to disrobe sometime later this summer in Mr. Hefner's glossy mag. Not that I myself am interested in any way.... >>>>>>>>> According to TV Guide, she will appear in the August issue of Playboy. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:21:06 -0500 From: "Jeff Downing" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] You Go(-go) Girl Belinda's pictorial seems kind of tame compared to what the band's apparently got cooking: "The Go Go's videotaped themselves getting having raunchy fun with male groupies. On the tape, lead singer Belinda Carlisle and bass player Kathy Valentine tell a very stoned male groupie to masturbate on camera for them. He never "finishes the job," and later, while he's passed out on a bed, Kathy gets up to all kinds of mischief on his naked body, including inserting a vibrator up his ass. The videotape has been underground for years and you can find a copy if you ask the right people, or you can probably find someone selling it on eBay. Belinda Carlisle and the band also collected a lot of photos of naked men they've known over the years, and the photos are reportedly going to be in a book that Belinda is putting together." from http://www.groupiecentral.com/gossip1.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:22:05 -0700 From: "Jeff Brenneman" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] You Go(-go) Girl >According to TV Guide, she will appear in the August issue of Playboy. This question was raised at Fan Nation, (where fans had the opportunity to ask the band members questions) to which Belinda confirmed that she was indeed Miss August for Playboy and that she was doing it as a stand for women! Hmmmmm..... Take care! Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:02:47 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] old thread - tattoos - OT >i know some of you were saying that you have had tattoo work done, but i >can't remember whether it was anyone around here. i'm considering black and >blue tattoo in SF, but don't know much about it. Proximity to you I don't know, but whoever worked on Our Janet's back certainly comes to mind! Janet, who was that anyway, and where does s/he work? Anywhere's within 4 hours of the Bay Area if you borrow Michael Quercio's jet fighter, Andy "I have noticed that otherwise sensitive and intelligent people will go to great lengths to decry the love between a person and a chicken, claiming that, of all things, chickens are not >smart enough< to love. Well, I'm here to tell you: I've seen women passionately devoted to men who couldn't pile bricks, and whole families of slaw-jawed nose pickers held together by 'love,' not to mention all those people who curl up at night with dogs that have gunk running out of their eyes, dogs who earlier peed where they were about to walk and spent ten minutes licking their own wormy butts." - --Haven Kimmel, from her memoir A GIRL NAMED ZIPPY: GROWING UP SMALL IN MOORLAND, INDIANA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:10:59 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Jack Logan and a handful of capsules. But I better not talk about it anymore, since discussion of it here always seems to degenerate into arguments about the lyrical intent of "She's A Girl and I'm A Man". No way man; that got settled in the "narrator-mocking ironic" school's favor many moons ago. Back to feeding my Furby Baby, Andy "The Boeing 747 is a very large aircraft, really amazingly huge, but even so I was somewhat surprised to be assigned seat 54G--I figured even a 747 couldn't have that many rows. As it turns out, it almost didn't: to my shock and dismay, I discovered that I had been seated in the very last row of the aircraft. The row where the seats don't recline all the way. The row right in front of the restrooms, where people line up 10 deep after the meal, waving their asses in your face. I would have really enjoyed listening to the headphones to take my mind off my problems, but of course mine were broken; the 'down' button on the armrest was broken, causing the mechanism to cycle endlessly through the available channels. As if all this weren't marvelous enough, shortly after takeoff the toilets started breaking down, forcing at least one of them to be closed and increasing the number of ass-wavers." - --Paul H. Henry, from www.phenry.org/europe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:11:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] ah, now that explains a lot... Older loudfans might remember seeing a record in the racks 15, 20 years back - a soundtrack written by Ray Davies to a film called _Percy_, the plot of which concerned a penis transplant and the prior history of said organ (the movie's namesake)... Turns out the novel on which the movie was based was written by none other than Raymond Hitchcock - who is the father of...Robyn. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::can you write underwater on liquid paper?:: __Zippy__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:35:03 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] any lonely Loud fans? Serotoninkilla@aol.com wrote: > http://www.geocities.com/asianprince213 dude, i think you have us confused with Loudness fans... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:56:51 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] ah, now that explains a lot... At 12:11 AM 05/26/2001 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Older loudfans might remember seeing a record in the racks 15, 20 years >back - a soundtrack written by Ray Davies to a film called _Percy_, Well, a Kinks soundtrack from 30+ years ago -- and a very nice item, now readily available as an affordable UK edition as part of the last round of Kinks remasters. Now, 17, 18 years ago, there was Ray Davies' film RETURN TO WATERLOO, and his soundtrack for the same, both of which I like more than most other human beings. "Expectations" is probably the best song Ray's written since his 1964-71 heyday. later, Miles ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #94 ******************************