From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #84 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, May 19 2001 Volume 01 : Number 084 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Christmas in May [Mark W Staples ] Re: [loud-fans] Soda Query - Way, Way OT [Mark W Staples ] [loud-fans] upcoming shows [bbradley@namesecure.com] [loud-fans] Shrek [steve ] [loud-fans] ATTN: Alejandro fans! [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] pphhill hharrassmmenntt mmissionn [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeff] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Further Phil Collins Heresy [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffre] [loud-fans] the pain, the pain... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] [loud-fans] Placebo [Holly Kruse ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:49:49 -0400 From: Mark W Staples Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Christmas in May On Fri, 18 May 2001 09:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Aaron Mandel writes: > On Fri, 18 May 2001, Mark W Staples wrote: > > > I'm beginning to think that finding a copy of this disc is like > > finding Gary Coleman's career. If anyone on the list has a copy > of > > the first Kindercore Christmas CD, CHRISTMAS IN STEREO, could I > > trouble you for a tape, or better yet, a CD-R of it? > > the only help i can offer is that a few places on GEMM seem to be > selling > it, albeit for $20 or so. > > a > How do you people find these things? (thankyou for this information btw) First of all, I have no idea what GEMM is. Wasn't she with the Holograms for a while? Why is it when I do searches I don't find this stuff? Case in point a reason why I love this list. Where were you when I was trying to find research material for my senior thesis some years back? Out playing your pseudo-intellectual reindeer games? - -Mark, sorry he said such a thing in anger, but it was off-list, and I really didn't mean it, I was just mad, and I apologized np The Wipeouters P'TWAAANG!!! "What good is thinking, writing or acting if one's only achievement is to continue that long line of failures, self-destructions and fatal spells lasting from Jude the Obscure to Antonin Artaud? Are we to to step out of history to join hands with eternal wastrels, fops, and dandies?" (Steve Strauss, a student of Greil Marcus, 1967, from LIPSTICK TRACES) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:56:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Soda Query - Way, Way OT On Fri, 18 May 2001, Chris Prew wrote: > Are there any diet sodas/drinks that DON"T contain Aspartame/NutraSweet? > And that don't taste like crap, of course... Well, as to your first condition, Pepsi ONE uses a newly developed sweetner, although the name of it escapes me. Whether it tastes like crap is up to you. Tom Green likes it and he is, of course, everyone's standard for good taste. - --mm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:58:40 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Soda Query = Sigur Ros Dana: No, I'm not writing to say that it came out in 2000, because it's debatable when it came out. I'm writing to say that I'm even more impressed by this since I found out that the lead singer is a man, baby. Unless someone's been pulling my leg. From what I understand, they do have a male singer. But with a group of people who listen to Scott Miller and Mitch Easter, a high pitched male voice shouldn't really ruffle any feathers. Agaertis Byrjun is released in the US May 22, 2001...although on CDNow they claim its a 1999 release in Iceland. So I can vote for it this year. Rog: >Rarely am I moved to contemplating violence when reading a List post. Don't be dissing the taste of diet >drinks, dude!! I can't drink that sickly sweet actual sugar stuff. I don't mind Diet Soda (especially Pepsi One), but I think the aspartame gives me a tummy ache. Please don't hurt me. Chris Who is proud to announce the birth of a baby girl loud-fan, Rhaedyn April Prew, born April 23. See sickeningly cute pics at http://www.sombertown.com/baby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:57:45 -0400 From: Mark W Staples Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Soda Query - Way, Way OT On Fri, 18 May 2001 14:58:33 -0500 Chris Prew writes: > Speaking of the 'pop-belt' > > Are there any diet sodas/drinks that DON"T contain > Aspartame/NutraSweet? > And that don't taste like crap, of course... > > I know someone here will know... > > Chris > np: Sigur Ros - Agaertis Byrjun -- Album of the Year for 2001 so > far. > > http://www.sombertown.com > Listen to live sombertown tracks at > http://www.mp3.com/sombertown > I drink about a 2-liter bottle of Diet Rite (an RC cola product) every day almost...however it seems to have no effect on the panda-like physique. Kidney failure, shmidney failure. It has a sweetener called sucralose, (Splenda is the brand name...doesn't that sound '60s?) and it is made out of bee squishings or something, and as yet has not been linked to brain cancer or anything. No it's not a toomah, M ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:04:10 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Christmas in May |How do you people find these things? (thankyou for this |information btw) |First of all, I have no idea what GEMM is. It's here http://www.gemm.com/ . It's sort of a clearing house of mainly import retailers on the continent as they say. Some sellers listed there are good, some are awful. Generally beware of sellars that list really rare stuff "on backorder".....it just ain't there. - -Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:24:14 -0400 From: Mark W Staples Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Christmas in May On Fri, 18 May 2001 17:04:10 -0400 "Larry Tucker" writes: > |How do you people find these things? (thankyou for this > |information btw) > |First of all, I have no idea what GEMM is. > > It's here http://www.gemm.com/ . It's sort of a clearing house of > mainly > import retailers on the continent as they say. Some sellers listed > there > are good, some are awful. Generally beware of sellars that list > really > rare stuff "on backorder".....it just ain't there. > > -Larry > Thankyou for the info, Larry. - -Mark, wishing he could tell the student loan people my money is on backorder ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:11:39 -0700 From: "Douglas Stanley" Subject: [loud-fans] AntonCore > Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:13:34 -0400 > From: Mark W Staples > Subject: [loud-fans] Christmas in May > > I'm beginning to think that finding a copy of this disc is like finding > Gary Coleman's career. If anyone on the list has a copy of the first > Kindercore Christmas CD, CHRISTMAS IN STEREO, could I trouble you for a > tape, or better yet, a CD-R of it? I'll pay you for the materials, > postage, and your time. > M You could pay for our time, but who's going to pay Kindercore? Or are we now sanctioning digital duplication of copywrited material? This reeks of Napsterism, and I want no part of it. As far as Anton is concerned - I've got 'em all and hands down, his second (Waterbugs and Beetles) is the masterpiece. C'mon now, Allyson 23; MTV Song (Hey it mentions Steve by name... or at least someone named Steve); Tad; The Vomit Song. How could you go wrong with The Vomit Song? Doug S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:13:12 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: [loud-fans] upcoming shows Guided By Voices Sunday, June 24, 8PM The Fillmore Tickets: $17.50 GA On Sale Sunday, May 20 at 10AM Michelle Shocked Friday, June 29, 9PM The Fillmore Tickets: $20.00 GA On Sale Sunday, May 20 at 10AM G3 (Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, & Dream Theater's John Petrucci) Saturday, June 30, 8:00PM The Warfield Tickets: $35.00 main floor (open dance floor-limited seating) & $30.00 balcony On Sale Sunday, May 20 at 10AM Area: One featuring MOBY, OUTKAST, NEW ORDER, THE ROOTS, PAUL OAKENFOLD, TIMO MAAS, THE ORB, Rintgirtse, THE INNOVATORS featuring KEVIN SAUDERSON, DERRICK MAY, and JUAN ATKINS July 31, 3:30PM Shoreline Amphitheatre Presented by The Chronicle Tickets: $73.50 and $53.50 reserved seating and $43.50 GA On Sale Sunday, May 20 at 10AM matchbox twenty with Train September 25, 7:00pm Chronicle Pavilion at Concord Tickets: $48.25 and $38.25 for reserved seating and $32.75 GA On Sale Sunday, May 20 at 10AM Badly Drawn Boy May 19, 2001 - 9:00PM Pacific Fillmore San Francisco, CA On sale April 22, 2001 - 10:00AM General Admission : $ 20.00 - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com - -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Stanley [mailto:dstanley@broadcom.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 4:12 PM To: They always think too much... Subject: [loud-fans] AntonCore > Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:13:34 -0400 > From: Mark W Staples > Subject: [loud-fans] Christmas in May > > I'm beginning to think that finding a copy of this disc is like finding > Gary Coleman's career. If anyone on the list has a copy of the first > Kindercore Christmas CD, CHRISTMAS IN STEREO, could I trouble you for a > tape, or better yet, a CD-R of it? I'll pay you for the materials, > postage, and your time. > M You could pay for our time, but who's going to pay Kindercore? Or are we now sanctioning digital duplication of copywrited material? This reeks of Napsterism, and I want no part of it. As far as Anton is concerned - I've got 'em all and hands down, his second (Waterbugs and Beetles) is the masterpiece. C'mon now, Allyson 23; MTV Song (Hey it mentions Steve by name... or at least someone named Steve); Tad; The Vomit Song. How could you go wrong with The Vomit Song? Doug S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:05:42 -0500 From: steve Subject: [loud-fans] Shrek Enough to get you into the theatre? Lead paragraph: During one of the few melancholy moments in the computer-animated fantasy SHREK, John Cale's version of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" plays. It's not the scene, which is a fairly typical falling-in-love montage, that's of interest here - it's the song. Rather than turn to a star such as Elton John or Phil Collins for the music, or rely on another bombastic Diane Warren ballad, the filmmakers choose a cult artist's interpretation of another cult artist's mournful ballad. (From Robert Philpot's 4 star review in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram). - - Steve __________ The president believes that it's an American way of life, and that it should be the goal of policymakers to protect the American way of life, the American way of life is a blessed one. - Ari Fleischer, when asked if Americans should use less energy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:07:50 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: [loud-fans] ATTN: Alejandro fans! Alejandro Escovedo will be performing live on Vin Scelsa's program on WFUV-FM tomorrow night, starting sometime after 8 PM EDT. You can listen in at http://www.wfuv.org . Someone please make sure that ana luisa morales knows about this! thanks, MB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:25:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! On Fri, 18 May 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > from other sources, like the record label website). For some reason, I > kept thinking Sugar Hill was a hop-hop label. No, you're thinking of Bunny Hill - they're a hop-hop label. - --Jeff, boldly pushing the stupidity envelope J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I've been praying a lot lately - it's because I no longer have a TV:: __Mark Eitzel__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:28:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans] The Enigma of Mission Statements On Fri, 18 May 2001, Keegstra, Russell wrote: > "Customer driven innovations in science and medicine that > improve the quality of life." Funny - when I was a heroin dealer, that was my mission statement. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:34:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mission Statements On Fri, 18 May 2001, Matthew Weber wrote: > At 7:54 AM 5/18/1, Roger Winston wrote: > >At Friday 5/18/2001 02:03 PM +0100, Phil Gerrard wrote: > > > >>And if loud-fans was to have a mission statement, it would be...? > > > I thought it was "Over-think everything." No, that's just our motto. I think we should all wear matching ties. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. ::I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! __"raus"__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:35:28 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! > from other sources, like the record label website). For some reason, I > kept thinking Sugar Hill was a hop-hop label. No, you're thinking of Bunny Hill - they're a hop-hop label. >>>>>>>> No, Bunny Hill was a British comic. - --dana (couldn't quite work Bunny Lake into it, though I tried) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:47:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pphhill hharrassmmenntt mmissionn On Fri, 18 May 2001, dmw wrote: > Ye gods, I don't believe I'm compelled to defend Phil C -- perhaps I made > my own dark bargain? So let's get one thing straight: I hate, hate, hate > everything the man has done since the three non-sucky songs on the > self-titled Genesis record. But: I'd say he's much better than an > "average" singer, although I think looks & voice-wise he definitely > capitalizes on a certain "everyman" appeal. His production is generic, > but top-shelf -- and it's easy to slam chart-toppers for their > "servicable" tunes, but it ain't all that easy to write one, is it? And And then Jon Tveite: "I enjoyed (at the time) Phil's first two solo albums, but he kind of lost me with "Su-Sussudio" and "Take Me Home". I have to disagree with you, Jeffrey, about the role of his drumming in his popularity. If you think back to early hits like "I Don't Care Anymore", "In the Air Tonight", and even guest appearances like Frida's "I Know There's Something Going On", the drumming was really out front. I can't think of many other pop stars for whom the "drum riff" was such an key element." Okay, I was being rhetorically overzealous (that's new, isn't it). I agree that his first few solo items, particularly "In the Air Tonight," are pretty good. But to me, those precede his superstardom - which began a bit later, as Jon implies. (All comments below apply to that superstardom phase.) And yeah, I actually rather like his singing with Genesis and on those first few albums. And Jon's right about the MTV thing and his "everyman" appeal. But as to Doug's comment about production and serviceable tunes: I'm suspicious. I'm suspicious in exactly the way I'm suspicious of well-known actresses and supermodels: yeah, you'd look great too if you had access to top-flight stylists and makeup artists 24-7 - not to mention flattering camera angles and Photoshop for those unpleasant remnants of humanity. Likewise, i think on many of Phil's and many other artists in the same league's records, the production *is* the song - I, at least, find the tunes themselves anything but memorable, and when they are, they're only - that's right - serviceable. I haven't noticed a boom in melody among popular songs recently. I guess the point is: okay, Phil could write a decent enough tune, and given the budget and equipemnt and studio gods, could make a very good-sounding record. But I'd have to say: any number of people on this list write catchier tunes, and if they so desired, and had access to the production, could make records that sound as good. Not that that would guarantee them a hit: if it could, we'd all be shit out of luck, since record companies would never need to take a chance of stuff that's more interesting. No one's yet found a foolproof hit-prediction method. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Californians invented the concept of the life-style. ::This alone warrants their doom. __Don DeLillo, WHITE NOISE__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:52:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Further Phil Collins Heresy On Fri, 18 May 2001, Stewart Mason wrote: > However, the reason why I'm not an active participant in the whole Phil > Collins sucks movement is that the first two albums by his jazz-prog side > project of the '70s, Brand X, are *really* good. UNORTHODOX BEHAVIOR and > MOROCCAN ROLL sound like early National Health (who came later) with more > firepower, and they're excellent examples of post-Canterbury instrumental > music. Collins is one of four writers in the band, but his material, > especially on MOROCCAN ROLL, really stands out, and he just plays like a > madman. Like most prog bands, any albums after the first two are totally > useless, but those two are terrific. My goal is to respond to every post tonight. ("What - only tonight?") Anyway, yeah - as I said, Collins can play the drums - and I have _Moroccan Roll_ and one other Brand X album (the one with the guy peering through the shades on the cover), and they're good examples of good jazz-fusion-prog-rock-stuff. It's just weird to me, still, to imagine that Collins' talents *transferred* to his success - rather than his success being a sort of quirk, under which he totally quashed his talents in lieu of continuing what had become a successful formula. But Jon (I think it was Jon) is right: it was sort of gradual. His early hits still sounded like they were played by humans. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::does "anal retentive" have a hyphen?:: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:05:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] the pain, the pain... The average American watches...I dunno, more hours of TV per week than GW Bush has IQ points. Me, I watch only 6 - 7 regularly...so why, pray tell, have TV executives conspired to logjam 2.5 hours of them in the same one-hour time slot? That's right: _Buffy_, _Gilmore Girls_, and _That '70s Show_ are all scheduled to run Tuesdays at 7pm Central next fall. Bastards. I now return you to your own trivial problems. - --Jeff, with a second cheap VCR on the horizon J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat ::everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum ::temporo-spatial anomaly. __Crow T. Maslow__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:24:38 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] the pain, the pain... At 11:05 PM 5/18/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >The average American watches...I dunno, more hours of TV per week than GW >Bush has IQ points. Me, I watch only 6 - 7 regularly...so why, pray tell, >have TV executives conspired to logjam 2.5 hours of them in the same >one-hour time slot? That's right: _Buffy_, _Gilmore Girls_, and _That '70s >Show_ are all scheduled to run Tuesdays at 7pm Central next fall. And after That 70s Show, there's the new sitcom from Judd Apatow, co-exec producer of Freaks and Geeks, which at least merits a couple of viewings to see if that show was a fluke. However, if you must watch Buffy (and I have never figured out the appeal of that show), it may help to learn that TNT--which of course shares a parent company with The WB--will be re-running each week's Gilmore Girls episode the following Monday at 10 p.m. Eastern. Why? Beats me, but here's an instance where the Dreaded Corporate Monolith is actually doing some folks a favor. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 02:33:06 -0700 From: Holly Kruse Subject: [loud-fans] Placebo I'm going to be in D.C. for an academic conference next week to present some research, and a friend has asked me if I want to go see Placebo on Friday night. Do I? I know I've heard some Placebo songs and liked them okay, but how are they live? Thanks in advance for any thoughts! In scanning the digests that had been piling up in my inbox, it occurred to me that if we all changed our names to Scott Miller, everything we posted here would be totally on-topic. No more "(ns)" in subject lines! The list would now be "All Scott" "(as)"! All the time! On an interesting and related note about ubiquitous names, the friend who mentioned going to the Placebo show to me has one of those omnipresent names: Steve Jones. He's not the Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols, but he is the Steve Jones of Area and The Arms Of Someone New. I have the feeling that there are other musical Steve Joneses that I'm forgetting, but then it's 2:30 a.m. here in Louisville. Thanks again for Placebo opinions and information! Holly Kruse (not really a Scott Miller at all) hkruse@infi.net P.S. Last weekend I was in Columbus, Ohio and found myself in a building in which several hand-lettered signs urged us to put our "pop" cans in the recycling bin. Just had to contribute to the thread-that-will-never-die. Oh yes, and once many years ago a friend informed me that drinking too much diet soda/coke/pop, and thus too much aspertame, would make my brain get bigger, but not in a good way. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #84 ******************************