From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #83 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, May 18 2001 Volume 01 : Number 083 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Christmas in May [Mark W Staples ] RE: [loud-fans] The Enigma of Mission Statements ["Keegstra, Russell" ] Re: [loud-fans] Mission Statements [Roger Winston ] [loud-fans] pphhill hharrassmmenntt mmissionn [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Mission Statements [mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew ] Re: [loud-fans] Mission Statements [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] foot in mouth disease [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] Tuesday Morning at CD World [Dan McCarthy ] Re: [loud-fans] Mission Statements [Jon Tveite ] Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! [Jon Tveite ] Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! [Jer Fairall ] Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! [Elizabeth Setler ] Re: [loud-fans] Re: Mission Statements ["Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] Christmas in May I'm beginning to think that finding a copy of this disc is like finding Gary Coleman's career. If anyone on the list has a copy of the first Kindercore Christmas CD, CHRISTMAS IN STEREO, could I trouble you for a tape, or better yet, a CD-R of it? I'll pay you for the materials, postage, and your time. M np Duffy I LOVE MY FRIENDS "A drive in any portion of Brentwood reveals a chocolate box of architectural styles: MGM-Colonial-Scandalbox San-Diego-Public-School-System-post-and-beam Marcus-Welby-Sonorous-Tudor (the Simpson house) 1941-white-stucco-Pearl-Harbor's-just-been-bombed-Cocktail, Darling? Doris-Day's-in-the-house-holding-a-lobster-claw-and-dish-of-melted-butter - -Cape Cod The-future-Whoosh!-Apollo-17 Kim-Novak's-Love-Nest-Ranchero" ("Brentwood Notebook: A Day in the Life" Douglas Coupland) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:40:03 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] The Enigma of Mission Statements Matt: >Nobody gives a rat's ass about anybody's mission statement. It's a mystery >to me why the damned things exist at all, except as a particularly cruel >prank the management consultancy racket has played on the rest of the >world. All the top executives of a previous employer of mine spent a week at a very expensive Tucson resort coming up with a mission statement. They were really proud of the result: "Customer driven innovations in science and medicine that improve the quality of life." A "mission" statement that is not only NOT a complete sentence, it isn't even a verb. a yowling sudsy death, Russ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:52:51 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Christmas in May Mark W Staples wrote: > If anyone on the list has a copy of the first Kindercore Christmas CD Kindercore? Is that grindcore for German toddlers? :) Also, I hereby like to publicly apologize to JASON LONG, DAN SALLITT, JER FAIRALL, JOHN BARTLETT and CYNDY PATRICK for still not having reviewed their undoubtedly excellent mix CD's/tapes. As you all probably know, May is the national "transfer Posies bootlegs from tape to CD"-month here in Belgium, so that's why I haven't gotten round to listening to their mixes yet. When May draws to a close, I hope to find some time to do that. Thank you. :) Toodlepip, - -Stef Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:03:42 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Mission Statements My assumption about mission statements, at least as far as the UK is concerned, is that they act as an apology in advance. Every mission statement I can recall has been a list of the organisation's good intentions rather than a definitive commitment to actually achieve anything, y'know, 'to endeavour to seek out new civilisations... to aim to boldly go etc. etc.'. It's a prelude to excusing yourself by saying 'well, I *tried*'. I guess it was in this vein that my previous employers, the Institute of Education at the University of London, changed their motto from 'Excellence in Education' to 'Pursuing Excellence in Education', which brought to mind images of an absent-minded professor with a butterfly net. (Not that I really have any right to be critical about any of this: at a recent meeting to decide on a slogan for a new distance education programme, the only idea that I could come up with was 'The University of London: We Have Come for Your Children'.) And if loud-fans was to have a mission statement, it would be...? peace & love phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:07:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Christmas in May On Fri, 18 May 2001, Mark W Staples wrote: > I'm beginning to think that finding a copy of this disc is like > finding Gary Coleman's career. If anyone on the list has a copy of > the first Kindercore Christmas CD, CHRISTMAS IN STEREO, could I > trouble you for a tape, or better yet, a CD-R of it? the only help i can offer is that a few places on GEMM seem to be selling it, albeit for $20 or so. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:54:11 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mission Statements At Friday 5/18/2001 02:03 PM +0100, Phil Gerrard wrote: >And if loud-fans was to have a mission statement, it would be...? To listen to all 35,000+ albums released in a year, to make fun of people who listen to Celine Dion, and to drink all the diet pop before the expiration date. Maybe it could use some refinement. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:19:05 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] pphhill hharrassmmenntt mmissionn Brianna: >> a statement adn response from another list - we were talking about whether or not a guy can get molested in a club - thought this would amuse you guys: << Happens to me from time to time, usually I'm just amused, but once or twice it's been a bit awkward. Pleather, vinyl, etc. definitely seem to increase the incidence rate. (I can hear the defense attorney now: 'He was *asking* for it, your honor, all gussied up like that...') JeFF on PHil: >> He's only an average singer, his looks certainly aren't throbworthy (god, I hope not), as a lyricist he's plenty bland, his tunes are strictly serviceable, the arrangements and production on his songs are utterly generic and interchangeable with millions of other singers' (with better looks and better pipes) - and his sole talent, playing the drums, is one that gets zero display on his popular tracks - and I'll bet your average 43-year-old office manager who dotes on his records has no idea he even plays the drums. << Ye gods, I don't believe I'm compelled to defend Phil C -- perhaps I made my own dark bargain? So let's get one thing straight: I hate, hate, hate everything the man has done since the three non-sucky songs on the self-titled Genesis record. But: I'd say he's much better than an "average" singer, although I think looks & voice-wise he definitely capitalizes on a certain "everyman" appeal. His production is generic, but top-shelf -- and it's easy to slam chart-toppers for their "servicable" tunes, but it ain't all that easy to write one, is it? And the average 43 year old office manager used to get stoned listening to "lamb lies down on broadway" and might still have a copy in a closet. The average 28-year old CEO probably has no clue, but you'd have to go down the unemployment line to ask 'em. Space Commando Matt "Mission Statement" Weber: >> Nobody gives a rat's ass about anybody's mission statement. It's a mystery to me why the damned things exist at all, except as a particularly cruel prank the management consultancy racket has played on the rest of the world. << Oh, come on! They're vital! Like koans. When you've *really* studied it *really* hard and integrated it into the depths of your psyche, it will fundamentally change your outlook on life and color -- in a positive light of politically correct hue, mind you -- every customer interaction you have henceforth. So hop to it -- me, I'm gonna go clean my shower stall and then practice guitar for a while. But you have fun with that mission statement. dash dash d dot = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:28:04 -0700 (PDT) From: mweber@library.berkeley.edu (Matthew Weber) Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mission Statements At 7:54 AM 5/18/1, Roger Winston wrote: >At Friday 5/18/2001 02:03 PM +0100, Phil Gerrard wrote: > >>And if loud-fans was to have a mission statement, it would be...? > >To listen to all 35,000+ albums released in a year, to make fun of people >who listen to Celine Dion, and to drink all the diet pop before the >expiration date. I thought it was "Over-think everything." Matt An injury to one is an injury to all. IWW slogan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:37:54 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mission Statements >And if loud-fans was to have a mission statement, it would be...? >>>>>>>> "To discover the optimal way to store and file all of our aimee mann MP3s." re: Phil C. Wasn't he one of the artists singled out for praise by Christian Bale in "American Psycho." My memory is bleary, but I think that "Susudio" was held up as one of the great acheivements of Western Civ. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:57:58 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] foot in mouth disease On Fri, 18 May 2001, dmw was careless again > average 28-year old CEO probably has no clue, but you'd have to go down > the unemployment line to ask 'em. y'know, occurs to me after-the-fact that odds are we might have some recently ex-dot-commers in the viewing audience who might not appreciate the humor of this crack. so maybe it would take the sting out a little bit if i mention how two weeks ago, my boss told me over beers that his bosses were planning to axe me after the current contract finishes up. woulda pissed me off, if i cared. (then last week i saved the company's ass, as best i could, from a staggeringlybad decision made w/o my input. so it may not come to pass. but i'm trying to be prepared. and i laugh at serious stuff, because, y'know that's what i do.) i realize, of course, that the odds are what will really offend people is the notion that there are songs on the self-titled genesis record that don't suck, but i gotta call 'em like i hear 'em. - -....- -....- -.. .-.-.- = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:38:58 -0400 From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tuesday Morning at CD World >The other was the US release of > > Kirsty MacColl's "Tropical Brainstorm". Much to the chagrin of those of us > > who bought the import last year, the US version has 3 more tracks (one > > co-written with Graham Gouldman!), plus a video. It also features > different > > cover art; this has a remarkably unflattering photo of Kirsty on the front. I picked up a promo of this album which I believe is still kicking around the cavernous backseat of my car... All I recall is that I didn't like it. If in fact I am still in possession of it, and someone on this list wants it, they're more than welcome to it. First response gets it since I've found that judging someone by past accomplishments takes too much time. (the other) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 9:31:37 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! Got the new issue of ICE Magazine yesterday. In addition to listing the upcoming June releases of the first CDs from Joe & Sue's 125 Records (Anton Barbeau's ANTOLOGY 2, Belle da Gama's GARDEN ABSTRACT, and the Loud Family's live FROM RITUAL TO ROMANCE), it also lists a June 12th release on Sugar Hill for a CD called THUS ALWAYS TO TYRANTS by a band called Scott Miller and the Commonwealth. Is this a previously known Scott Miller or a new one? Thinking of changing my name to Scott Miller, Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:46:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jon Tveite Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mission Statements On Fri, 18 May 2001, Dana L Paoli wrote: > Wasn't he one of the artists singled out for praise by Christian Bale in > "American Psycho." My memory is bleary, but I think that "Susudio" was > held up as one of the great acheivements of Western Civ. I haven't seen the movie, but Genesis and Collins were opined upon, at length, in the book. Of course, the guy was, by definition, a psycho. Some of the obscure factual information he gives about Genesis was wrong, and I took that as intentional on Ellis's part -- little signals that the main character's grip on "reality" was not what he made it out to be. I didn't know enough about yuppie fashion to evaluate those aspects -- but Genesis.... They were one of my favorite bands through most of high school and the first couple years of college. I enjoyed (at the time) Phil's first two solo albums, but he kind of lost me with "Su-Sussudio" and "Take Me Home". I have to disagree with you, Jeffrey, about the role of his drumming in his popularity. If you think back to early hits like "I Don't Care Anymore", "In the Air Tonight", and even guest appearances like Frida's "I Know There's Something Going On", the drumming was really out front. I can't think of many other pop stars for whom the "drum riff" was such an key element. I think Phil's super-stardom was largely a matter of timing. He came along at just the right time to take advantage of MTV's early boom. He's not a dreamboat, but his looks are distinctive, and he's fairly animated and apparently willing to do most anything in a video. As somebody else suggested, he doesn't come off as an overly ego-laden rock star, and I think that was a big plus in the days when videos weren't yet being pitched at quite the same image-per-second rating as commercials, like they are now. The musicians actually walked and talked and sort of acted in their videos. That said, his music since the mid-80s (at least) does suck mightily, but even that may be an advantage, because it's not difficult to keep churning the stuff out at the same level of quality. People who buy Phil Collins albums aren't looking to be surprised by their listening material, I'm guessing. He is a brand name that stands for what they're looking for. RE: Mission statements -- somebody probably wrote a book about how important they are, and that book probably became a best-seller, and so the practice spread like a virus throughout the corporate world. Corporations are bureaucracies, and like any other bureaucracy, they are filled with people living and dying to justify their existences (and salaries). A mission statement is good for a series of meetings, and meetings give you the chance to impress the higher-ups, and get that promotion, so you can hold more meetings. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:50:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Jon Tveite Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! On Fri, 18 May 2001, Roger Winston wrote: > Thinking of changing my name to Scott Miller, I think we all should. And then we change the list parameters so that replies automatically go to everyone. Hilarity would no doubt ensue. Scott Miller ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:54:16 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! At 09:31 AM 5/18/2001 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >live FROM RITUAL TO ROMANCE), it also lists a June 12th release on Sugar >Hill for a CD called THUS ALWAYS TO TYRANTS by a band called Scott Miller >and the Commonwealth. Is this a previously known Scott Miller or a new one? I just have to ask: Where were you a month or so ago when I first posted about this Scott's forthcoming album? Or after that, when I posted about his nosepicking habits and inventive use of the toe-floss banjo? You're so behind on your Scott Millers! later, Miles p.s.: It's the ex-V-Roy Scott, so the genus may be "Previously Known." np: Scott Miller and the Commonwealth, THUS ALWAYS TO TYRANTS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:54:15 -0400 From: "Aaron Milenski" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Mission Statements >I haven't seen the movie, but Genesis and Collins were opined upon, at >length, in the book. Of course, the guy was, by definition, a psycho. >Some of the obscure factual information he gives about Genesis was wrong, >and I took that as intentional on Ellis's part -- little signals that the >main character's grip on "reality" was not what he made it out to be. I >didn't know enough about yuppie fashion to evaluate those aspects -- but >Genesis.... Given Ellis' track record of shoddiness I'm sure it wasn't intentional on his part, just lazy writing. Aaron, who knows way too much about Bret Easton Ellis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:00:58 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] Scott Miller on Scott Millers "I have to do something about my name. You can't swing a dead rat or a Nashville cat without hitting a Scott Miller." - - former V-Roy Scott Miller, explaining his decision to go by "A. Scott Miller" (a moniker since abandoned) on WPLN's THE SONGWRITER SESSIONS, February 2000 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:17:46 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Further Phil Collins Heresy At 10:46 AM 5/18/01 -0500, Jon Tveite wrote: >They were one of my favorite bands through most of high school and the >first couple years of college. I enjoyed (at the time) Phil's first two >solo albums, but he kind of lost me with "Su-Sussudio" and "Take Me Home". I don't particularly care for any of Phil's solo albums, although like my feelings about the superstar Genesis period, this undoubtedly has much to do with death by overexposure. I will say that I always liked "Take Me Home," though. However, the reason why I'm not an active participant in the whole Phil Collins sucks movement is that the first two albums by his jazz-prog side project of the '70s, Brand X, are *really* good. UNORTHODOX BEHAVIOR and MOROCCAN ROLL sound like early National Health (who came later) with more firepower, and they're excellent examples of post-Canterbury instrumental music. Collins is one of four writers in the band, but his material, especially on MOROCCAN ROLL, really stands out, and he just plays like a madman. Like most prog bands, any albums after the first two are totally useless, but those two are terrific. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:16:48 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! Miles Goosens on 2001/05/18 Fri AM 10:54:16 MDT wrote: > I just have to ask: Where were you a month or so ago when I first posted > about this Scott's forthcoming album? Or after that, when I posted about > his nosepicking habits and inventive use of the toe-floss banjo? You're so > behind on your Scott Millers! I deserved that. I did suspect it was the V-Roys guy, but I don't remember the "Commonwealth" band tag. In my defense, the List archive was down, so I couldn't check (although it was easy enough to find out from other sources, like the record label website). For some reason, I kept thinking Sugar Hill was a hop-hop label. Miles, I just wanted to give you another chance to push Your Scott. Yeah, that's the ticket. Is there room on the cross for me? Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:21:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! > the first CDs from Joe & Sue's 125 Records Are orders being taken for these yet? Is there somewhere I can send a cheque? Jer np: Luka Bloom, KEEPER OF THE FLAME ===== Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:27:13 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! At 10:16 AM 5/18/01 -0600, Roger Winston wrote: >For some reason, I kept thinking Sugar Hill was a hop-hop label. Much like the dueling Scott Millers, there's the pioneering rap label Sugarhill (Sugarhill Gang, Grandmaster Flash, etc., owned by Sylvia "C'mere, loverboy!" Robinson) and the weird-country label Sugar Hill (Terry Allen, Scott Miller, owned by nobody interesting). Stewart, owner of one of at least four labels called Flamingo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:39:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! On Fri, 18 May 2001, Jer Fairall wrote: > > the first CDs from Joe & Sue's 125 Records > Are orders being taken for these yet? Is there > somewhere I can send a cheque? Not yet. We hope to have the CDs ready for purchase at our reord release party on June 30th at The Starry Plough in Berkeley. It's looking like the LF CD may come out a week or so later. Don't worry. Y'all will hear more than enough from me when the time comes. Thanks for your support. As the list's premiere Genesis apologist, I must step into the discussion re: Phil Collins. As a human being, he's apparently a total shit. As a drummer from 1971-1983, top-notch. As the "despoiler" of Genesis, well, they were either going to fade away like Gentle Giant or get down to work on music that people would actually buy. I think DUKE is their last really good album, but ABACAB & GENESIS have some really good riff-based music, and even INVISIBLE TOUCH has "The Brazilian". Still, I think they hit three peaks. #1 was in 1973 on the SELLING ENGLAND tour, #2 was 1976-77 when the bloom was not yet off the prog rose and they were supertight, and #3 was 1980-82, when they were learning to play stadiums. Heaven is where the sun shines, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:52:39 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: [loud-fans] My Friends: Duffy, Ellis, and Phil Mark W Staples wrote: > np Duffy I LOVE MY FRIENDS In the midst of other reissue news, I should mention that Spin Art just reissued I LOVE MY FRIENDS, so it should now be available in the USA for normal domestic price. This was the followup to the self-titled DUFFY album that Mitch Easter produced, both harder and poppier than his Lilac Time stuff, plus Aimee Mann sings backup on one song and Andy Partridge produced a few others, so there's a certain level of loud-fans appeal built right in. Also, (deep breath) I'm tired of elitist pseudo-intellectuals impugning the sainted names of Bret Easton Ellis and Phil Collins! Ellis was the Douglas Coupland of his generation, and Phil paid his dues playing drums on Eno's ANOTHER GREEN WORLD, Cale's HELEN OF TROY, and other important albums before becoming a heartthrob, and pretty much *invented* that 80s gated drum sound, so we should bow to his genius on a daily basis.. Or maybe we shouldn't? (Insert smiley-face emoticon here) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:46:08 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] pop culture at it's best d'oh! oops. sorry. as penance for for transgression, i give you these: http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/eng/papercraft/ http://www.gorkhouse.com/san_fran_tour.html and http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20010507/bacteria.html oh yeah - and this: http://www.inktank.com/index.cfm?toon=05-05-01 - -- brianna bradley - -----Original Message----- From: Roger Winston [mailto:rwinston@tde.com] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:08 PM To: sprayed 128th notes Subject: Re: [loud-fans] pop culture at it's best Since it's my personal calling to question inattentiveness, I just have to ask: Where were you people a month or so ago when Joe first posted about this? Or after that, when Andrew posted the Salon interview with the creator? You're behind on your memes! "Hyakugojyuuichi!!" is so "All Your Base" (i.e. so 5-minutes-ago). Not casting dispersions, just curious... Found a hobo in my room, Later. --Rog At Thursday 5/17/2001 03:27 PM -1000, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: >You've never steered us wrong before, Brianna. I'll just go check it out. > >Hmmm. > >Pee Wee Hermann... > >Sam and Max.... > >Colin Mocherie... > >uh... > >uh... > >uh... > >no... > >stop.... > >please... > >DEAR LORD WHY! > >I think I need to watch that again, too... > >R. Kevin > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org]On >Behalf Of bbradley@namesecure.com >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:55 PM >To: loud-fans@smoe.org >Subject: [loud-fans] pop culture at it's best > > >http://animutation.mixnmojo.com/anim/pika.swf > >i understand the song has somethign to do with how stupid we all are for >watching this thing. > >it's like watching a train wreck... it hurts to look at, but you just can't >stop. > >WHY DID I HIT 'PLAY AGAIN'? WHY?!?!? WHYYYYYY?!?!??!?!? > >-- >brianna bradley >web designer, web ops >http://namesecure.com >IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS >tel: 925.609.1101 x206 >fax: 925.609.1112 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:47:04 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Corelli (very slight spoilers with no spoiler space) Miles sez: Me, then Jer Fairall wrote: >> CAPTAIN CORELLI'S MANDOLIN. >> (I'm also having a difficult time figuring out what >> the studio hopes to gain by adding "Captain" to the >> title of deBerniers' book, but that's another >story.) > >Hmm. I've heard the book referred to several times as >just CORELLI'S MANDOLIN but the copy I have (which I >haven't read yet) has the CAPTAIN in the title, and it >doesn't appear to be a movie tie-in edition. Thanks to glenn (and somebody else, I think! Sorry, must have deleted it) for clearing this up. I'll revise my original question: What did the publisher hope to gain by omitting "Captain" in the U.S.? Us dumb Merkans, can no understand three-word title? <><><><><> I'd heard it was customary for military officers in D.C. under Reagan (and this may continue today for all I know) to wear civillian clothes three days out of four so that the capital of the U.S. would "not look like Moscow". Also, recently a grade school student (in Louisiana, I think, not 100% sure though) was suspended under a policy which bans even the representation of a weapon in school, for drawing a picture of a relative (who is a military officer)in dress uniform, holding a gun. Perhaps this is some variation on these. the third amendment gets a promotion, - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:48:38 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Dream side ONE Larry reviews: Ride - Dreams Burn Down Another missing artist in my collection which I will quickly remedy. Sounded like a brighter version of Built to Spill. Also reminded me a lot of another fave of mine in this style, the Stone Roses. Where's a good place to start Riding? <><><><><><><><> The album this came from, Nowhere, is my favorite. - --Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:51:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! Does the name "125 Records" come from the WWTBAM appearance? And on the related topic, I picked up my first Anton Barbeau SPLENDID TRAY a few weeks ago, and think it's really good. (I'm not just saying that because it uses a miserable whine as backup.) Are his other CDs as good as this? Is Anthology 2 (or 1, for that matter) a live album? mm np--Tobin Sprout "Let's Welcome the Circus People" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:05:50 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] ten hut! On Fri, 18 May 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > I'd heard it was customary for military officers in D.C. under Reagan (and this > may continue today for all I know) to wear civillian clothes three days out of > four so that the capital of the U.S. would "not look like Moscow". as somebody who on a daily basis rides the metrorail past the pentagon and crystal city (home of many def. contractors, esp. navy contractors), i find this kinda hard to credit, at least as it applies to continuing today. i didn't ride that route as much in the reagan years, so, maybe. - -- d. natp: the chasing heather crazy single on pretty blue vinyl = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:09:49 +0800 From: Elizabeth Setler Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! At 2:51 PM -0400 5/18/01, Michael Mitton wrote: >And on the related topic, I picked up my first Anton Barbeau SPLENDID TRAY >a few weeks ago, and think it's really good. (I'm not just saying that >because it uses a miserable whine as backup.) Are his other CDs as good >as this? Is Anthology 2 (or 1, for that matter) a live album? The Antology albums are collections of demos, outtakes and the like. Anton does have a live CDR, which you can purchase directly from him... details at http://www.antonbarbeau.com/gigbag.html . One woman's take on Anton's recorded output: "Splendid Tray" is the most consistent release; "17th Century Fuzzbox Blues" has the highest count on my personal favorite song list; all of them have at least a handful of songs that I'm really, really happy I own. I think I might actually be able to get to the record release party. [insert happy Snoopy dance here] On a completely unrelated note, any thoughts on the new Joe Henry disc yet? - -- Elizabeth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:24:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Scott Miller content! On Fri, 18 May 2001, Michael Mitton wrote: > Does the name "125 Records" come from the WWTBAM appearance? Yes. > And on the related topic, I picked up my first Anton Barbeau SPLENDID TRAY > a few weeks ago, and think it's really good. (I'm not just saying that > because it uses a miserable whine as backup.) Are his other CDs as good > as this? Is Anthology 2 (or 1, for that matter) a live album? I recommend all of them, as they're so cheap and plentiful, but 17TH CENTURY FUZZBOX BLUES, his latest, is almost as good a A SPLENDID TRAY. ANTOLOGY 2 (and 1) are outtakes/demos/rarities collections. Brrring brrring brrring, J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:19:44 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Enigma of Phil [ns] At 11:42 PM 01-05-17 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >I was in some horrible mall, looking for pillows I think, and the muzak >was playing some song or other by Phil Collins, and it got me to thinking: >Why Phil Collins? How on earth did he become one of the most popular >recording acts? > >He's only an average singer, his looks certainly aren't throbworthy >(god, I hope not), as a lyricist he's plenty bland, his tunes are strictly >serviceable, the arrangements and production on his songs are utterly >generic and interchangeable with millions of other singers' (with better >looks and better pipes) - and his sole talent, playing the drums, is one >that gets zero display on his popular tracks - and I'll bet your average >43-year-old office manager who dotes on his records has no idea he even >plays the drums. > Didn't you just answer your own question? generic, interchangeable, etc. > >Also, I was frightened at the mall to observe a restaurant in the food >court which had posted its "mission statement" behind the counter. I can't >imagine that anyone eating at a mall food court could give .035 of a rat's >ass about a food counter's "mission statement" - stuffing face is the sole >mission they're interested in - but worse yet, said "mission statement" >promised that the vendor in question would "aggressively serve" its >customers. > The Dilbert site used to have a mission statement generator - only problem is that no matter how hard you lampoon misson statements, you never end up very far from a real one. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:34:12 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: [loud-fans] Re: Mission Statements I think I've shared this one with all youse loud-fans, but if not, Nova Gas, who are at www.lasergas.com, are apparently on the single most ridiculous mission I've seen a corporation undertake. Pretty durn P.C. for an outfit that sells flourine, if ya ask me. - --Dennis, half disappointed that the web boom crash means that we'll not likely see large corporations unironcally making statements about their eMissions any time soon. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:58:33 -0500 From: Chris Prew Subject: [loud-fans] Soda Query - Way, Way OT Speaking of the 'pop-belt' Are there any diet sodas/drinks that DON"T contain Aspartame/NutraSweet? And that don't taste like crap, of course... I know someone here will know... Chris np: Sigur Ros - Agaertis Byrjun -- Album of the Year for 2001 so far. http://www.sombertown.com Listen to live sombertown tracks at http://www.mp3.com/sombertown ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:57:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Re: Mission Statements On Fri, 18 May 2001 Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com wrote: > I think I've shared this one with all youse loud-fans, but if not, Nova Gas, who > are at www.lasergas.com, are apparently on the single most ridiculous mission > I've seen a corporation undertake. Pretty durn P.C. for an outfit that sells > flourine, if ya ask me. Hey, lay off! Nova Gas are my goto guys for 248nm Premixes! J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:18:16 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Soda Query - Way, Way OT At 02:58 PM 5/18/01 -0500, Chris Prew wrote: >Speaking of the 'pop-belt' > >Are there any diet sodas/drinks that DON"T contain Aspartame/NutraSweet? >And that don't taste like crap, of course... Yes, the delightful beverage known in various regions as club soda, seltzer or, if you wanna get really fancy-schmancy, "sparkling water." Crisp, refreshing, calorie-free and if you find the plain stuff too boring, you can get it with a little hint of fruit juice added. Just stay well away from tonic water, which contains quinine, an extremely nasty-tasting substance that's not going to do you any good unless you've got either malaria or a taste for stright Angoustora bitters. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:18:00 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Soda Query - Way, Way OT Don't know about the soda, 'cause I'm in the camp that says if you're on a diet, you shouldn't drink soda, but... np: Sigur Ros - Agaertis Byrjun -- Album of the Year for 2001 so far. >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I'm not writing to say that it came out in 2000, because it's debatable when it came out. I'm writing to say that I'm even more impressed by this since I found out that the lead singer is a man, baby. Unless someone's been pulling my leg. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:17:39 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Soda Query - Way, Way OT Chris Prew on 2001/05/18 Fri PM 02:58:33 MDT wrote: > Are there any diet sodas/drinks that DON"T contain Aspartame/NutraSweet? > And that don't taste like crap, of course... Rarely am I moved to contemplating violence when reading a List post. Don't be dissing the taste of diet drinks, dude!! I can't drink that sickly sweet actual sugar stuff. But to answer your question, I don't know of any. However, I do know that any diet drink you get from a fountain will have saccharine instead of Nutrasweet, since Aspartame don't work in a fountain. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Soda Query - Way, Way OT > np: Sigur Ros - Agaertis Byrjun -- Album of the > Year for 2001 so far. From the Sigur Ros site (www.sigur-ros.com): "NME.com reports that drummer Lars Ulrich has written to SIGUR ROS to thank them for inspiring his work on METALLICA's new album after going to see them at a gig in San Francisco. Ulrich reportedly wrote the band a note saying: 'Thank you, thank you, thank you! We are in the studio right now struggling to make some sort of album. I'm going to go back after this completely inspired.'" Hmm. Jer ===== Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:12:28 -0400 From: Mark W Staples Subject: Re: [loud-fans] My Friends: Duffy, Ellis, and Phil On Fri, 18 May 2001 09:52:39 -0700 Steve Holtebeck writes: > Mark W Staples wrote: > > np Duffy I LOVE MY FRIENDS > > In the midst of other reissue news, I should mention that Spin Art > just > reissued I LOVE MY FRIENDS, so it should now be available in the USA > for > normal domestic price. This was the followup to the self-titled > DUFFY > album that Mitch Easter produced, both harder and poppier than his > Lilac > Time stuff, plus Aimee Mann sings backup on one song and Andy > Partridge > produced a few others, so there's a certain level of loud-fans > appeal > built right in. > > Also, (deep breath) I'm tired of elitist pseudo-intellectuals > impugning > the sainted names of Bret Easton Ellis and Phil Collins! Ellis was > the > Douglas Coupland of his generation, and Phil paid his dues playing > drums > on Eno's ANOTHER GREEN WORLD, Cale's HELEN OF TROY, and other > important > albums before becoming a heartthrob, and pretty much *invented* that > 80s > gated drum sound, so we should bow to his genius on a daily basis.. > > Or maybe we shouldn't? (Insert smiley-face emoticon here) > > Steve > Please tell me the Spin Art one doesn't have extra tracks...that always happens. And then I obsess over it, and end up buying the other one as well, like a marketer's dream come true. Extra track, and a tacky badge, M ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #83 ******************************