From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #79 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Wednesday, May 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene [JRT456@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] REM (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] Question [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] Le rouge et le noir [Dan Sallitt ] [loud-fans] Tuesday Morning at CD World [Michael Bowen ] Re: [loud-fans] Tuesday Morning at CD World ["Joseph M. Mallon" ] Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback [Roger Winston ] Re: [loud-fans] Cache-ing Up [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] Tuesday Morning at CD World [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: [loud-fans] Tuesday Morning at CD World [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] [loud-fans] Re: REM / Tuesday Morning ["Pete O." ] Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback [dc ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 03:42:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene On Mon, 14 May 2001, dc wrote: > what's he doing these days, anyway? somebody tell Kurt to write up a new > batch of weird pop songs, darn it! As far as I can tell, he's gone into the vague world of sonic textures. You can hear a couple of mp3's at www.miau-miau.com, and also order CDs from there. I haven't heard any of the CDs though, and would be interested to know what anyone who has heard them has to say. (Dana? Didn't you bring this up a few weeks back?) He also is doing some producing work. The only thing I'm familiar with is he produced or engineered or something like that for Versus, a band (now) on Merge. - --Michael vicinity of Portland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:28:14 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene As far as I can tell, he's gone into the vague world of sonic textures. You can hear a couple of mp3's at www.miau-miau.com, and also order CDs from there. I haven't heard any of the CDs though, and would be interested to know what anyone who has heard them has to say. (Dana? Didn't you bring this up a few weeks back?) >>>>>>>> Yeah, he's released a few (3 or 4, I think) ambient type recordings. I've heard bits of them (a friend bought Kyrie Eleison and one of the Cathars CDs). If I remember correctly, Jeff has some of them as well. I don't listen to enough of that sort of stuff to know whether his work is good or bad. I thought it was pleasant enough, but as a pop/rock fan it's not something I'll be spending money on. I see his name listed on album credits from time to time, either for production, engineering, or playing individual instruments. I'm sad that he seems to have given up on his old sound. I really liked Rev a lot, especially the fact that it had real drums, and would have been happy to hear more. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:50:51 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene In a message dated 5/15/01 12:45:58 AM, mlmitton@phoenix.princeton.edu writes: <> Dudes...! AMOR 0+01 has been out for a few weeks now, although fans of UVS may be a little disappointed. There's nothing pop going on, as forewarned by its release on the Sub Rosa label. Plenty of nice minimalist moments, though. Otherwise, the guy mainly seems to be into the studio. There was a period where he seemed to be producing most of the demo tapes coming out of NYC. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:17:15 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene A nice interview, with answers to many questions: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/5901/asinterview.html - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:09:40 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] REM (ns) R.E.M. are on Letterman tonight. I know that I'm morbidly curious. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:17:23 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Question How do you contact Smoe.org. No I'm not having a problem with it, but another list I'm on is thinking of moving to another server, and I think Smoe would be a good place for them. I'm on a couple of Smoe lists besides this one, and I like the server. Thanks! Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:10:03 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene At 05:28 PM 5/14/2001 -0700, Andrew Hamlin wrote: >MANHUNTER stood out in one way, though: William L. Petersen, as Will >Graham, looked >exactly< as I'd pictured Will Graham as I read the novel. >That hadn't happened before. Hasn't happened since either. The BBC miniseries of THE JEWEL IN THE CROWN (just out on DVD last month, hurrah!) managed the feat of not only casting actors who matched the physical descriptions of their characters, but getting actors who looked like their parts who could really *act.* I can't think of anything else that's come as close to getting a book (or books, in this case -- Paul Scott's THE RAJ QUARTET) exactly right in all respects. I've seen nothing but the trailer, but I'm having a difficult time with the casting for CAPTAIN CORELLI'S MANDOLIN. Though the principals are my favorite actor and one of my favorite actresses, Nicolas Cage and Penelope Cruz are very far from what I had in mind when reading Louis deBernieres' novel. I had pictured Corelli as looking like the young Marcello Mastroianni, and Pelagia as being more voluptuous and, well, more Greek than the lovely Ms. Cruz. Here's hoping that Cage and Cruz' performances make me forget all about this. (I'm also having a difficult time figuring out what the studio hopes to gain by adding "Captain" to the title of deBerniers' book, but that's another story.) where have you gone, Tim Piggott-Smith, a lonely nation turns its eyes to you, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:38:46 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: [loud-fans] Le rouge et le noir So I'm finally getting around to reading Stendhal's THE RED AND THE BLACK, and I'm finding it intriguing but rather stilted--there's lots and lots of passive voice, for starters. I think the problem may be the translation (by one Lloyd C. Parks). Can anyone recommend a better one? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:01:22 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback At 10:50 PM 5/14/2001 -0700, dc wrote: >might've been the times (and the substances), but i remember having my mind >blown by Shriekback in college -- probably the biggest single impediment to >paying attention to REM, as others with more foresight were busy doing -- You couldn't do both? No one told me. I'm glad. :-) >and of course i thought "Oil and Gold" was grand. The absolute pinnacle, and I still make converts with it. One of my all-time favorites. >since we're here -- > >A) was "Jam Science" ever released on CD? and Not that I know of, but all the regular JAM SCIENCE tracks except "Hubris" and "Partyline" -- two of my favorites! -- have appeared on CD on one collection or another. As for the tracks from the Dutch release, maybe Aaron or doug could speak more knowledgeably. I keep hoping for a CD like Robyn Hitchcock's GRAVY DECO, where he put all the tracks from GROOVY DECAY and GROOVY DECOY on it and let God and the listener sort 'em out... >B) did anyone (anywhere) hear and/or buy "Naked Apes and Plant Life"? i >found "Sacred City" hopelessly derivative of their earlier works... I like NAKED APES better than SACRED CITY (the latter I found just to be sorta dull rather than hopelessly derivative -- if it had been that much like OIL AND GOLD and JAM SCIENCE, I'd've liked it better!). You can get NAKED APES as part of an import twofer with the new ABERRATIONS 1981-84 rarities collection (my copy from www.action-records.co.uk arrived on Saturday, but I haven't had time to listen). we had some good machines but they don't work no more, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:02:57 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Le rouge et le noir > So I'm finally getting around to reading Stendhal's THE RED AND THE BLACK, and > I'm finding it intriguing but rather stilted--there's lots and lots of passive > voice, for starters. I think the problem may be the translation (by one Lloyd C. > Parks). Can anyone recommend a better one? This is one of my favorite novels, but I've never compared translations. I read the Penguin book translated by Margaret Shaw. - Dan "Madame de Renal regarded passion as we regard lotteries - certain disappointment and a happiness only sought for by fools." - Stendhal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:32:08 -0400 From: Michael Bowen Subject: [loud-fans] Tuesday Morning at CD World Perhaps it's silly to stop off at the CD store on the way back from the unemployment office, but that's what I did this morning. Went through the used racks and found a couple of CD's to replace vinyl ("Greetings From Timbuk 3" and "Let It Bee" by Voice of the Beehive). Picked up my first Posies record, "Frosting On The Beater"; can someone tell me how this rates in the Posies oeuvre? I listened to 2/3 of it on the drive home and wasn't that impressed - it sounded competent, but not much more than that. I also grabbed a CD by the Dentists ("Behind The Door I Keep The Universe") because I remembered liking their track on some Loudfan mix tape. I can only hope that it's better than the Mysteries of Life CD I picked up for the same reason - except for "Feel My Way", a track that appeared on a couple of tapes, the rest of that album was dreck. My last pull out of the used bin was a promo copy of "Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea". While I've admired some of PJ Harvey's previous stuff (admired more than enjoyed), I don't understand the praise heaped on this record. It sounded like a smoothed-out version of her older material, and she still hasn't learned to write a decent melody yet. I also thought that she was duetting with Bono until I looked at the liner notes and saw that it was Thom Yorke. I also bought a couple of new ones. Eileen Rose, who had an outstanding track on a recent Uncut CD, put out her debut this week. I haven't listened to it yet, but I'm looking forward to it. The other was the US release of Kirsty MacColl's "Tropical Brainstorm". Much to the chagrin of those of us who bought the import last year, the US version has 3 more tracks (one co-written with Graham Gouldman!), plus a video. It also features different cover art; this has a remarkably unflattering photo of Kirsty on the front. I have to admit, I felt a little sad looking at the display for the new R.E.M. album and realizing I had no interest in it whatsoever. MB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:45:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback On Tue, 15 May 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > Not that I know of, but all the regular JAM SCIENCE tracks except "Hubris" > and "Partyline" -- two of my favorites! -- have appeared on CD on one > collection or another. Really? If so, I suspect that some of them were only on Priests And Kannibals, which is either out of print or doing a very good impression of same. > As for the tracks from the Dutch release, maybe Aaron or doug could > speak more knowledgeably. I believe "Putting On The Pressure" and "The Internationale" have never been on CD; same goes for some (but, with the release of Abberations, no longer all) of the b-sides from that era: Cloud Of Nails (Pump Up A Storm), Mistah Linn He Dead, Jumping On The Ribcage (With The Digital Rasta), Bludgeoned (By The Chairleg Of Truth). [Note: of those, I only have "Mistah Linn", so I could be wrong about the dates.] aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tuesday Morning at CD World On Tue, 15 May 2001, Michael Bowen wrote: > Perhaps it's silly to stop off at the CD store on the way back from the > unemployment office, but that's what I did this morning. Went through the > used racks and found a couple of CD's to replace vinyl ("Greetings From > Timbuk 3" and "Let It Bee" by Voice of the Beehive). Picked up my first > Posies record, "Frosting On The Beater"; can someone tell me how this rates > in the Posies oeuvre? It's their first crunchy power-pop record. Some think it's their definitive one. I like it and AMAZING DISGRACE about equally. > I also grabbed a CD by the Dentists ("Behind The Door I Keep The > Universe") because I remembered liking their track on some Loudfan > mix tape. Well done you! I saw them open for Shonen Knife in 1994 and picked this album up shortly thereafter. Haven't been disappointed in it since (especially "Tremendous Many"). Only 6 days left to sign up for the Yes tree! J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:56:26 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback Miles Goosens on 2001/05/15 Tue PM 03:01:22 MDT wrote: > I like NAKED APES better than SACRED CITY (the latter I found just to be > sorta dull rather than hopelessly derivative -- if it had been that much > like OIL AND GOLD and JAM SCIENCE, I'd've liked it better!). I agree with Miles on this one. Not one single note of SACRED CITY ever stuck in my mind, but NAKED APES has a few interesting tracks. Yet even those worthwhile tracks don't come anywhere near the genius of OIL AND GOLD. > You can get > NAKED APES as part of an import twofer with the new ABERRATIONS 1981-84 > rarities collection (my copy from www.action-records.co.uk arrived on > Saturday, but I haven't had time to listen). Or you can get a copy from me. I have an extra disc of NAKED APES from an Amazon UK order they double-shipped me and didn't make me send back or pay for the duplicates (I specifically asked them when I realized they hadn't realized they double-shipped). Even Dana could own this disc and not feel dirty. This is a mint, never-been-played CD, though like most UK releases, it is not shrink-wrapped. It's only available as an import (or used, of course) around these parts, and CDNow sells it for $23.49. So, what do you have to do to get this CD? It's been awhile since we've had a haiku contest, so let's say you have to write the best haiku, as judged by me, in the style of a typical Shriekback lyric. (Think "Nemesis" for example: "Big black nemesis/Parthenogenesis/No one move a muscle as the dead come home". Or "Malaria": "Wanna live with Halo Jones/Wanna home that's miles from home/Wanna drugs from the Twilight Zone/Wanna never never never never never never never say no"). Your chances of winning are greater if the verse is somehow relevant to this List (which I guess means it could be basically anything). Have fun! Tuned to music no one can hear, Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:09:39 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback At 04:45 PM 5/15/2001 -0400, Aaron Mandel wrote: >On Tue, 15 May 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > >> Not that I know of, but all the regular JAM SCIENCE tracks except "Hubris" >> and "Partyline" -- two of my favorites! -- have appeared on CD on one >> collection or another. > >Really? If so, I suspect that some of them were only on Priests And >Kannibals, which is either out of print or doing a very good impression of >same. I think all the pre-'99 collections may be out of print, with the possible exception of THE DANCING YEARS, which along with OIL AND GOLD and BIG NIGHT MUSIC is all I usually see in the Shriekback divider at stores. Hm, let's see... Hand on My Heart - EVOLUTION / NATURAL HISTORY / PRIESTS AND KANNIBALS Newhome - EVOLUTION / NATURAL HISTORY Achtung - PRIESTS AND KANNIBALS Partyline - no CD release Midnight Maps - EVOLUTION / NATURAL HISTORY Mercy Dash - EVOLUTION / NATURAL HISTORY / PRIESTS AND KANNIBALS Under the Lights - EVOLUTION / NATURAL HISTORY My Careful Hands - EVOLUTION / NATURAL HISTORY Suck - PRIESTS AND KANNIBALS Hubris - no CD release writing on walls of dance, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:12:36 +0700 From: Cyndy Patrick Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tuesday Morning at CD World Michael Bowen wrote: > Picked up my first > Posies record, "Frosting On The Beater"; can someone tell me how this rates > in the Posies oeuvre? Personally, I like "Amazing Disgrace" (perhaps their hardest rocking disc) and "Success" (not a widespread favorite, but I think it's their most textural release) a lot more than either "Frosting on the Beater" or "Dear 23." - -Cyndy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:55:23 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] stupid temperment question and stupider yet? Tim W. sez: Guitar frets are set up in equal temperament. In fact, it's much more complex to set them up any other way--the frets have to be either non-perpendicular to the neck, or split into fretlets--which is why guitarists and lutenists went ET long before everybody else (causing the medieval equivalent of flame wars in the musicological literature of the period). So if you tune by the frets, you get ET and compatibility with keyboards. If you tune by harmonics, on the other hand, you get something between Pythagorean JI and ET, which will favor some keys over others. And you have to figure out what to do with the B string. <><><><><><><> Tuning the B string's 5th fret harmonic (the second octave) to the 4th fret harmonic of the G string will work, presuming you have all new strings and can get the G string's 4th fret harmonic to ring. Of course, in order to tune a guitar using harmonics, you have to have your bridge properly intonated, or you're sunk, so most accoustic guitars, and any electric with a non-compensated, or poorly set-up bridge won't allow this. - --D, tuned ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:36:54 -0500 From: Dennis_McGreevy@praxair.com Subject: [loud-fans] Cache-ing Up Hey folks! Being moved to a new location (promotion, but a pain-in-the-extremity one) at work has had the effect of cutting my access to my email way back, but, as usual, I've noticed a few things that can't pass without comment. Regarding denarration: Part of why I never delved into Mr. Coupland's work is that when he released Generation X, I saw both it and the movie Slacker as attempts to tell me that if I had a life, here's what it would look like, when I already had one. Which is to say that I don't feel "denarrated". Granted, my reaction was strictly to the market positioning of both works, but never once did I feel the sense of "wow, that's exactly what I might be like, if only I weren't so lame!", upon which the marketing of both seemed to depend. Lots of people in my alleged demographic group seemed to embrace this phenomenon, so I suppose it worked, but recall distinctly the choking feeling I experienced when I walked past the Uptown theater in Minneapolis at 7 a.m. on a Saturday morning that was still Friday night as far as I was concerned, and I saw the words "Young Gifted Unemployed SLACKER" on the marquee, and I realized that somebody was expecting me to pay seven bucks for the privilege of receiving from them an innaccurate, lowest common denominator -ized take on somebody's misperception of my identity. As to the actual merits of Linklater or Coupland, I never bothered to check. It does seem to me that this "denarration" concept is symptomatic of the mental landscape of what the Old (Frankfurt) School guys called Late Capitalism, where in order to create a more pressing sense of imperative to purchase a given commodity, concentrated effort must first be expended to convince everyone, not that they need something when they don't, but more emperor's-new-clothesly, that they lack something when they already have it. Given this, selling books does not seem like much of a solution. As to Cher's demonstrating her integrity by insisting on the exclusive use of Auto Tune (no cop-out synthesizer flute patches for Cher!) I'll admit it's pretty blatant, but I thought they were trying to make the record sond like that. In which case, criticizing it on those grounds is like saying that an acoustic guitar can only sustain for so long, therefor Eric Clapton's solo on Sunshine of Your Love is somehow phoney. Now, the producer allegedly trying to deny it does change things. - --D, narrated. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:04:07 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback Or you can get a copy from me. I have an extra disc of NAKED APES from an Amazon UK order they double-shipped me and didn't make me send back or pay for the duplicates (I specifically asked them when I realized they hadn't realized they double-shipped). Even Dana could own this disc and not feel dirty. So, what do you have to do to get this CD? It's been awhile since we've had a haiku contest, so let's say you have to write the best haiku, as judged by me, in the style of a typical Shriekback lyric. (Think "Nemesis" for example: "Big black nemesis/Parthenogenesis/No one move a muscle as the dead come home". >>>>>>>>>> [to the tune of "Nemesis"] Ripped off Amazon/ The royalties are gone/ No one gets a penny from this artful dodge Kept the disc for free/ Near his HDTV/ Shriekback must appreciate a fan like Rog!! Oh wait, that's not a haiku, is it? - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:31:44 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback Dana L Paoli on 2001/05/15 Tue PM 06:04:07 MDT wrote: > Ripped off Amazon/ > The royalties are gone/ > No one gets a penny from this artful dodge > > Kept the disc for free/ > Near his HDTV/ > Shriekback must appreciate a fan like Rog!! I get the impression that Amazon had to eat the cost and that Shriekback still gets their royalties, since Amazon paid for the disc. But who knows (or cares). I'm just doing what Amazon UK (the owners of the disc) told me to do and "give it to someone". And yes, if they told me to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, I'd probably do that too. I will never, ever download anything from Napster though! I do throw kittens in lakes though. > Oh wait, that's not a haiku, is it? Right, so you don't win. Later. --Rog - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:46:45 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Cache-ing Up >As to Cher's demonstrating her integrity by insisting on the exclusive use of >Auto Tune (no cop-out synthesizer flute patches for Cher!) I'll admit it's >pretty blatant, but I thought they were trying to make the record sond like >that. In which case, criticizing it on those grounds is like saying that an >acoustic guitar can only sustain for so long, therefor Eric Clapton's solo on >Sunshine of Your Love is somehow phoney. Now, the producer allegedly trying to >deny it does change things. The effect is clearly intentional, but if they admitted that they used AutoTune, a lot of people would assume that they stumbled on the effect while trying to fix Cher's singing. If it were me, I'd flaunt it, but Cher, who has a career and stuff, may feel differently. Also, they may have wanted to lead imitators down the wrong path. On the other hand, maybe it really was a vocoder... but it doesn't sound like it to me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:49:13 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback At 06:04 PM 5/15/01 -0400, Dana L Paoli wrote: >Ripped off Amazon/ >The royalties are gone/ >No one gets a penny from this artful dodge Except Shriekback's record company, which gets money for discs shipped minus discs returned. Amazon can't return the disc to the record company, so they have to pay them for it. S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:30:42 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tuesday Morning at CD World In a message dated 5/15/01 4:46:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mbowen@frontiernet.net writes: > The other was the US release of > Kirsty MacColl's "Tropical Brainstorm". Much to the chagrin of those of us > who bought the import last year, the US version has 3 more tracks (one > co-written with Graham Gouldman!), plus a video. It also features different > cover art; this has a remarkably unflattering photo of Kirsty on the front. > > I wasn't going to buy the US version of TB until I learned about the bonus tracks. They are very good, and make the album better then it is already. Haven't managed to see the video yet, I don't think it's compatable with my computer. I like the cover. Great album, how sad it's her last. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:57:05 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Tuesday Morning at CD World >Picked up my first >Posies record, "Frosting On The Beater"; can someone tell me how this rates >in the Posies oeuvre? I listened to 2/3 of it on the drive home and wasn't >that impressed - it sounded competent, but not much more than that. For what it's worth, my initial reaction was similar, but it eventually grew on me. I still don't like the production, which makes the album as monochromatic as the front cover, but once I got past that the songs turned out to be quite good. I have yet to warm to AMAZING DISGRACE, but perhaps it will undergo the same process. I don't like the production on DEAR 23 either--too much gauzy reverb--but at least I could the songs apart the first time I listened to it, and boy, are they good songs (except for "Mrs. Green", although I like that more now that I've heard it live). It's very different from FROSTING, and I would recommend trying it before giving up on the Posies. I still don't have FAILURE or SUCCESS. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:11:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Pete O." Subject: [loud-fans] Re: REM / Tuesday Morning > R.E.M. are on Letterman tonight. I know that I'm morbidly curious. > Apparently Ken Stringfellow will be there as well (watch for the guitarist with the bright orange hair). >Picked up my first >Posies record, "Frosting On The Beater"; can someone tell me how this rates >in the Posies oeuvre? I listened to 2/3 of it on the drive home and wasn't >that impressed - it sounded competent, but not much more than that. Nothing beats a good love song, like "Everybody Is A Fucking Liar" from Amazing Disgrace. It always brings a tear to my eye. Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:48:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback On Tue, 15 May 2001, while meticulously accounting for all dancing angels currently atop any pins, Dana L Paoli wrote: [this being Rog W] > Or you can get a copy from me. I have an extra disc of NAKED APES from > an Amazon UK order they double-shipped me and didn't make me send back or > pay for the duplicates (I specifically asked them when I realized they > hadn't realized they double-shipped). Even Dana could own this disc and > not feel dirty. > >>>>>>>>>> > [to the tune of "Nemesis"] > > Ripped off Amazon/ > The royalties are gone/ > No one gets a penny from this artful dodge > > Kept the disc for free/ > Near his HDTV/ > Shriekback must appreciate a fan like Rog!! On Dana's express orders, I contacted Superman, and then I asked him to spin around the earth counter-rotationally fast enough to effect the reversal of time (like in that one movie), thereby causing a film-running-backwards effect whereby the extra CD shipped itself back to Amazon UK, Amazon UK shipped it back to its supplier, the supplier shipped it back to the pressing plant, and the pressing plant erased the disc, sent the blank disc back to its manufacturer, and allowed its components to return to their various chemical compounds. Thus, the terrible wrong of the Unpaid-for CD has been averted. Oh yeah, and the election is next Tuesday. Which candidate do most Loudfans favor - Eisenhower or Adlai Stevenson? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, saved from having to figure out exactly who to write a check to in such situations - those damned Amazon bastards for not *demanding* the return of the CD so they could return it to the record company, the record company for not hunting down and killing the Amazon person who allowed Rog to keep it, or Shriekback for releasing the damned thing in the first place... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ np: R.E.M. _Reveal_. First impression: seriously drags in the middle - a couple of good songs near the beginnings and ends. If they were a car they'd be stuck in second gear. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:56:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene On Tue, 15 May 2001, Michael Mitton wrote: > On Mon, 14 May 2001, dc wrote: > > > what's he doing these days, anyway? somebody tell Kurt to write up a new > > batch of weird pop songs, darn it! Unfortunately, this doesn't seem likely. I have _Kyrie Eleison_ and the album he released under the name Cathars, _Amorpheus_, and while I think they're both interesting examples of semi-ambient, oft-weirdly tuned, electronic music (Cathars being the more pop of the two - but not by much), they just don't grab me in the way UVS records did. BTW, I really wouldn't call UVS lyrics "dark": yes, Ralske writes about death and suffering, and like any good sexually obsessed Catholic has much to say about blood, pain, and guilt - but as the above might suggest, there's a lingering sort of spirituality, or at least an inquiry into same, that places a broader, brighter frame around the darker themes of his lyrics. Those things don't exist for their own sake, or because he's thinking of jumping off a twenty-story building - they're necessary things to understand, in order to be human. I'm done - the pretentiousness meter I've built into my computer just slapped my wrists. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html "This is the way the body prays" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:02:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] secret cult message So, reading the interview with Kurt Ralske - yet another musician into the whole Rosicrucian thing - all I want to know is, when are we going to start sacrificing the infants? What? You say Mark is still here? Errr - this was just a joke. Geddit? I am *not serious*. Do not call the FBI (everyone erase your hard drives *now*). - --Jeff, upside-down and cross J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Let's quit talking about it and start watching it on TV:: __Susan Lowry__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:52:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene On Tue, 15 May 2001, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Unfortunately, this doesn't seem likely. I have _Kyrie Eleison_ and the > album he released under the name Cathars, _Amorpheus_, and while I think > they're both interesting examples of semi-ambient, oft-weirdly tuned, > electronic music (Cathars being the more pop of the two - but not by > much), they just don't grab me in the way UVS records did. I guess the follow up question is this: If I'm totally unfamiliar with anything resembling ambient, weirdly tuned music, would this be worth listening to, or is there better stuff out there? > I'm done - the pretentiousness meter I've built into my computer just > slapped my wrists. Your point is both pretentious AND well-taken, which I guess is why it was only a slap on the wrists. On the lyrics, after looking through the site Dana posted, I realize that according to them, I misquoted Mr. Ralske yesterday. I wrote, "A razor blade, a terror and a dream / Every afternoon, a whisper and a scream" but the web site says it's "A Razor blade / A dollar and a dream / A rainy afternoon / A whisper and a scream" I do like 'dollar' better than 'terror' but I like 'every' better than 'rainy.' - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:04:38 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: [loud-fans] Minidisc question I know if there's any place I can turn to for sound advice on something like this, it's Loud-fans. I'm going to be seeing R.E.M.'s free show in Toronto on Thursday and I'm interested in taping the show. The couple of times I've taped shows in the past, I've borrowed equipment from other people, but I think it's about time I got something of my own. I'm really not that familiar with minidisc recorders, but I was thinking that might be the route I'll take. Does anyone have any experiences -- good or bad -- with taping shows with one? Are there any particular makes or models to avoid or to look for? Also, what's a reasonable price to pay for one? I wish I had the time to do this research myself, but I just found out today that I'll be going to the R.E.M. show, so I would appreciate any advice anyone is able to offer. Thanks, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:53:49 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] [NS] Shriekback losing track of who said what, but this discussion has been enlightening as to what was released where: > I believe "Putting On The Pressure" and "The Internationale" have never > been on CD; same goes for some (but, with the release of Abberations, no > longer all) of the b-sides from that era: Cloud Of Nails (Pump Up A > Storm), Mistah Linn He Dead, Jumping On The Ribcage (With The Digital > Rasta), Bludgeoned (By The Chairleg Of Truth). [Note: of those, I only > have "Mistah Linn", so I could be wrong about the dates.] i'm not sure about the contemporaneousness (contemporaneity?) of the rest, but i think "Mistah Linn" was an outtake from "Oil and Gold," while "Bludgeoned" was an outtake (and a fine one) from "Big Night Music." now i'm wondering if "Hanging Fire" is collected from that silly animal rights album... anyway, an attempt at haiku and bringing an earlier thought full circle: Berry/Buck/Mills/Stipe -- struck more oil, gold than Allen/ Andrews/Barker/Marsh ...assuming you count "oil" as one syllable. anyway, i'll make up for that lame attempt by relating what is said to be a rejection letter from the editor of the Haiku Review: - ---------------- Esteemed reader please be advised that, due to space considerations - ------------- nothing is for free the story goes, dc vicinty of seattle ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #79 ******************************