From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #78 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Tuesday, May 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 078 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [loud-fans] things I don't get (ns) [bbradley@namesecure.com] RE: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul [bbradley@namesecure.c] Re: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene [Dan Sallitt ] [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene [zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu] Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] ...this is the last straw! ["Larry Tucker" ] [loud-fans] The Verlaines [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene ["Phil Gerrard" ] Re: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul [Dan McCarthy ] Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene [Michael Mitton ] Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] missing pieces (ns) ["glenn mcdonald" ] [loud-fans] Things Hidden... ["glenn mcdonald" ] Re: [loud-fans] Things Hidden... ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] The Verlaines [Steve Holtebeck ] Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene [dc ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:13:54 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] things I don't get (ns) > Hmmmm...what would Jesus Christ yell out when he blows an 18 inch putt? argh. those f*$king holes! sorry.... - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:16:03 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul >THE DARK AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL an excellent oingo boing album, if i do say so myself. line two. - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:08:49 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul >>THE DARK AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL > >an excellent oingo boingo album, if i do say so myself. Quite possible! But in all honesty I took the quote from no such book. Mr. Rewerts' book is actually titled THE DARK AT THE FRONT OF THE TUNNEL. Sorry about that. Where's that wet noodle, Andy May 10  Italian researchers claim to have found conclusive evidence that life on Earth arrived from outer space. Bruno D'Argenio, a geologist working for the Italian National Research Council, and Giuseppe Geraci, professor of molecular biology at Naples University, identified and brought back to life extraterrestrial microorganisms lodged inside 4.5 billion-year-old meteorites kept at Naples' mineralogical museum. "When in contact with a physiological solution, they became visible and began to move," D'Argenio said while presenting the finding at the Italian Space Agency yesterday. The bacteria, called "cryms" (for crystal microbes) by the researchers, remained dormant for billions of years and survived extreme ambient conditions  a clear indication, according to the researchers, that "life can exist everywhere in the solar system, though in a quiescent state." Once brought back to life, the cryms were cloned by the researchers and their DNA analyzed. "Their genetic code is unlike any known on Earth," said Giovanni F. Bignami, scientific director of the Italian Space Agency. In studying the bacteria, the team found that they tend to gather in clusters. The bugs are also killed easily with antibiotics. Disputing critics who suggested that the meteorites were contaminated with terrestrial microorganisms, Bignami added that the bacteria came back to life after the samples were sterilized at 950 degrees Celsius and doused in alcohol. The discovery, if borne out, would strengthen the "panspermia" theory, first suggested by chemist Svante Aarhenius in 1900. According to this theory, outer space seeded Earth with primitive life forms about 4 billion years ago. The theory was recently supported by Nobel Prize winner Francis Crick, as well as noted scientists Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe. [--from an article by Rossella Lorenzi for Discovery News, at http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20010507/bacteria.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:32:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene I was listening to Ultra Vivid Scene, JOY: 1967-1990 this morning, and for the first time I realized that there was a backup voice which is very familiar to me and I ought to be able to place, but I can't. It's on "Special One" and it's a female voice singing "How do you think it feels?" Since Ralske was on 4AD at the time, I'm guessing it's another 4AD artist. I don't have the reading material for this CD anymore, so I'd love it if someone could solve this little puzzle for me. - --Michael M "It helps to think that we're all selling pearls to swine." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:50:20 -0700 From: "Michael Roeser" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene > From: Michael Mitton > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:33 PM > To: loud-fans@smoe.org > Subject: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene > > > I was listening to Ultra Vivid Scene, JOY: 1967-1990 this morning, and for > the first time I realized that there was a backup voice which is very > familiar to me and I ought to be able to place, but I can't. It's on > "Special One" and it's a female voice singing "How do you think it feels?" > Since Ralske was on 4AD at the time, I'm guessing it's another 4AD artist. > I don't have the reading material for this CD anymore, so I'd love it if > someone could solve this little puzzle for me. > > --Michael M That would be Kim Deal.... Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:52:23 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene > I was listening to Ultra Vivid Scene, JOY: 1967-1990 this morning, and for > the first time I realized that there was a backup voice which is very > familiar to me and I ought to be able to place, but I can't. It's on > "Special One" and it's a female voice singing "How do you think it feels?" > Since Ralske was on 4AD at the time, I'm guessing it's another 4AD artist. > I don't have the reading material for this CD anymore, so I'd love it if > someone could solve this little puzzle for me. That's Kim Deal. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:00:32 -0500 From: zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu Subject: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene I was listening to Ultra Vivid Scene, JOY: 1967-1990 this morning, and for the first time I realized that there was a backup voice which is very familiar to me and I ought to be able to place, but I can't. It's on "Special One" and it's a female voice singing "How do you think it feels?" Since Ralske was on 4AD at the time, I'm guessing it's another 4AD artist. I don't have the reading material for this CD anymore, so I'd love it if someone could solve this little puzzle for me. - --Michael M That would be Kim Deal of the Pixies. I think this cd would have been great music for the first Hannable Lektor movie, what was that called, the one before 'Silence of the Lambs'? 'Manhunter' maybe? Breathy vocals, a syrupy pace for most of the songs, and perfect song titles like 'Poison, The Kindest Cut, Guilty Pleasure, It Happens Every Time, and Lightning'. The weird artwork on the cd probably helps me point the music in that direction, like the picture on the back that kind of looks like the virgin mary standing on top of a jellyfish, and the ones of the front of jesus on the cross with rainbows firing out of his armpits. I wonder what kind of deodorant he uses? Andrew "Not only does Jesus not get to lord over Kenosha, he's also a friggin' ballhog" --triggercut ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:03:51 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene Pretty sure it's Kim from the Breeders. - --dana On Mon, 14 May 2001 16:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Michael Mitton writes: > I was listening to Ultra Vivid Scene, JOY: 1967-1990 this morning, > and for > the first time I realized that there was a backup voice which is > very > familiar to me and I ought to be able to place, but I can't. It's > on > "Special One" and it's a female voice singing "How do you think it > feels?" > Since Ralske was on 4AD at the time, I'm guessing it's another 4AD > artist. > I don't have the reading material for this CD anymore, so I'd love > it if > someone could solve this little puzzle for me. > > --Michael M > > "It helps to think that we're all selling pearls to swine." > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:11:12 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] ...this is the last straw! Make sure you have plenty of time on your hands for this one. Pretty cool though! www.sodaplay.com Also for people, who for some inexplicable reason retain my email address, please note that it's changed. I guess that's why my posts haven't been getting through. - --Larry ltucker@townofchapelhill.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:24:46 -0400 From: Mark W Staples Subject: [loud-fans] Hanoi Pat Pat Conroy is another writer I admire, and I wanted to pass this on. Being he's sold so many books which have almost all been made into movies, I'm sure at least a few Loudfans have read at least one of his books, or at least seen one of his movie adaptations. He is quite well known in the South as the guy who wrote the book that exposed the injustices of the Citadel, (loosely veiled in "The Lords of Discipline" as Carolina Military Institue) a neighboring military college where I went to school in downtown Charleston, SC. All the "God, Guns and Guts" right-winger types (yes, I admit, a stereotype, but you get the picture) hate him. I got to talk to him once on the "Late Show with Tom Snyder" and I got so nervous, my tongue went to fur, like Steve Martin in "The Jerk." Only when I met Scott could I possibly have been more geeky. And, had I not flunked out of college my first time around like a dumbass he would have been my commencement speaker at College of Charleston's 1989 commencement. I'm sorry to have missed that. The following is so unbelievable to me, I'm expecting next to find out the Rush Limbaugh has come out of the closet and is DJing in London with Boy George or something. Has the moon turned to blood? Conroy invites Citadel grads to his funeral Novelist thanks 2001 class for bringing him back to alma mater By Bruce Smith The Associated Press CHARLESTON-- Novelist Pat Conroy thanked Citadel graduates Saturday for bringing him back to his alma mater and invited them all to his funeral to return the favor. "Class of 2001, I cannot thank you enough for doing this for me," said Conroy, whose icy relationship with the state military college thawed last year when the college presented him with an honorary degree. "I did not exactly pencil this speech into my schedule of coming attractions, and you do me the highest honor by bringing me back fully into my Citadel family," the author told the 386 graduates of the college. Conroy's speech would have been improbable six years ago, when the 1967 graduate was tearing the school's all-male admissions policy apart. "There were many years when I thought Saddam Hussein or Jane Fonda had a better chance of addressing this class than I did," Conroy said. But times change, as shown by the 10 women graduating in the class of 2001, and Conroy's efforts to reconcile with the school came to fruition Sunday. After the speech, Conroy said he sees his role at The Citadel as "an aging, elderly statesman preparing for death and coming back and talking to young cadets about the writing life." Conroy, whose novels such as "The Prince of Tides" and "Beach Music" have been read by millions of readers around the world, told the graduates that his usual commencement speech includes a request for graduates to think of him on their 40th birthdays. "But I have something else I want to do for you all, because I'm so moved with what you have done for me. I would like to invite each one of you from the Class of 2001 to my funeral," Conroy said. Conroy said he wanted the graduates to have an honored place at his funeral "because I want you to know how swift time is. There is nothing as swift -- nothing." np Fountains of Wayne UTOPIA PARKWAY...less than one day to go until I get my grubby hands on the new Go-Go's! All these surreal supernatural occurences...what's next, a "Facts of Life" reunion? Natalie comes back fabulous, and tells Blair to kiss her aerobicized ass? M ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:29:08 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: [loud-fans] The Verlaines I'm listening to Barbara Manning's IN NEW ZEALAND EP, which I find sort of irritating and overly distanced on the whole. The only song I like is the one with music written by Graeme Downes, called "Patience Is Gone." Does anyone know if the feel of this song is characteristic of Downes' work with the Verlaines? Thanks. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:59:32 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene On 14 May 2001, at 16:00, zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu wrote: > I think this cd would have been great music for the > first Hannable Lektor movie, what was that > called, the one before 'Silence of the > Lambs'? 'Manhunter' maybe? Yup, 'Manhunter', an all-time favourite of mine, despite one of the most astonishing continuity errors ever perpetrated by a perfectionist director (check out the shelves behind William Petersen in the supermarket scene). I was just amused by the in the post, 'cause in the books and subsequent films it's spelled 'Lecter', but in 'Manhunter' it's spelled 'Lektor' or 'Lecktor', I think: given that I'd take Brian Cox over Anthony Hopkins (or Michael Mann over Thomas Harris) any day, I'm inclined to regard yours as the correct spelling, on grounds of aesthetic superiority if nothing else! peace & love phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:07:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul > May 10  Italian researchers claim to have found > conclusive evidence that > life on Earth arrived from outer space. > I fail to see how the existence of other organisms in space can be construed as "proof" that life on earth sprouted from these organisms, especially since the article states that their genetic codes are unlike any known on earth. Am i missing a logical jump here? Dan > Bruno D'Argenio, a geologist working for the Italian > National Research > Council, and Giuseppe Geraci, professor of molecular > biology at Naples > University, identified and brought back to life > extraterrestrial > microorganisms lodged inside 4.5 billion-year-old > meteorites kept at Naples' > mineralogical museum. > "When in contact with a physiological solution, they > became visible and > began to move," D'Argenio said while presenting the > finding at the Italian > Space Agency yesterday. > > The bacteria, called "cryms" (for crystal microbes) > by the researchers, > remained dormant for billions of years and survived > extreme ambient > conditions  a clear indication, according to the > researchers, that "life > can exist everywhere in the solar system, though in > a quiescent state." > > Once brought back to life, the cryms were cloned by > the researchers and > their DNA analyzed. > > "Their genetic code is unlike any known on Earth," > said Giovanni F. Bignami, > scientific director of the Italian Space Agency. > > In studying the bacteria, the team found that they > tend to gather in > clusters. The bugs are also killed easily with > antibiotics. > > Disputing critics who suggested that the meteorites > were contaminated with > terrestrial microorganisms, Bignami added that the > bacteria came back to > life after the samples were sterilized at 950 > degrees Celsius and doused in > alcohol. > > The discovery, if borne out, would strengthen the > "panspermia" theory, first > suggested by chemist Svante Aarhenius in 1900. > According to this theory, > outer space seeded Earth with primitive life forms > about 4 billion years > ago. The theory was recently supported by Nobel > Prize winner Francis Crick, > as well as noted scientists Fred Hoyle and Chandra > Wickramasinghe. > > [--from an article by Rossella Lorenzi for Discovery > News, at > http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20010507/bacteria.html ] Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:12:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene > think: given that I'd take Brian Cox over Anthony > Hopkins (or > Michael Mann over Thomas Harris) any day, I'm Or Michael Mann over Ridley Scott, if we're making director-to-director comparisons. I haven't bothered to see Hannibal, but I gather I haven't missed much. Am I the only person that saw Gladiator as utter tripe, even though Russell Crowe is a great actor (and for the Michael Mann link, check out The Insider)? The film looked nice and all, but why is it that more and more it's beginning to seem that movie writers are catering to the whims of a small portion of the american public, namely teenage boys from 16-19? Surely there must be a wider demographic that can be reached. > peace & love > > phil (the other) Dan Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Mitton Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene Yep, Deal, that's her. I knew I should have recognized her. Thanks all. On Mon, 14 May 2001 zkk46@ttacs.ttu.edu wrote: > I think this cd would have been great music for the > first Hannable Lektor movie, what was that > called, the one before 'Silence of the > Lambs'? 'Manhunter' maybe? Breathy vocals, a syrupy > pace for most of the songs, and perfect song titles > like 'Poison, The Kindest Cut, Guilty Pleasure, It > Happens Every Time, and Lightning'. Yeah...I'd forgotten just how dark this album is. You might go with Praise the Low as having the most depressing lyrics on the album, but for my money, not even Roger Waters could beat "A razor blade, a terror and a dream / Every afternoon, a whisper and a scream." - --Michael M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:50:53 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene In a message dated 5/14/01 4:53:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mlmitton@phoenix.Princeton.EDU writes: > I was listening to Ultra Vivid Scene, JOY: 1967-1990 this morning, and for > the first time I realized that there was a backup voice which is very > familiar to me and I ought to be able to place, but I can't. It's on > "Special One" and it's a female voice singing "How do you think it feels?" > Since Ralske was on 4AD at the time, I'm guessing it's another 4AD artist. > I don't have the reading material for this CD anymore, so I'd love it if > someone could solve this little puzzle for me. > > Kim Deal. Great song. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:00:25 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene At Monday 5/14/2001 11:59 PM +0100, Phil Gerrard wrote: >Yup, 'Manhunter', an all-time favourite of mine, despite one of the >most astonishing continuity errors ever perpetrated by a >perfectionist director (check out the shelves behind William >Petersen in the supermarket scene). Weird! I just watched MANHUNTER a few weeks ago for the first time in a long time, and I noticed that continuity error for the first time. I'm like "Why did the products on the shelves behind the kid suddenly change, when the people haven't even moved?". Sloppy! One thing I really liked about MANHUNTER was the excellently creepy use of the Shriekback songs Coelacanth and This Big Hush. OIL & GOLD is still one of my all-time favorite albums. Michael Mann must be a big Shriekback fan, since he used their songs a lot back in those days. I remember BAND OF THE HAND had Faded Flowers in it. We sleep wherever we fall, Later. --Rog P.S. I'm amazed that my Eudora spell checker dictionary had "Coelacanth" in it... - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:28:41 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene >Or Michael Mann over Ridley Scott, if we're making >director-to-director comparisons. 'fraid you'll have to put me down on Scott's side, seeing as how he's made one of my All-Time Top Five Films, and Mann's approach to the RED DRAGON material seemed to be, "How can I best utilize 'In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida' in this one--ah, I'll make that the specific soundtrack to a character who, in the book, listens only to classical music." MANHUNTER stood out in one way, though: William L. Petersen, as Will Graham, looked >exactly< as I'd pictured Will Graham as I read the novel. That hadn't happened before. Hasn't happened since either. And in fairness, I haven't seen HANNIBAL. On top of which, much to my surprise, I enjoyed HEAT. Looks like EUREKA will wait 'til Wednesday, Andy "I generally don't recommend doing anything but burning while burning." - --Doug Mayo-Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:58:37 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] missing pieces (ns) > Has anyone picked up the Talk Talk thing "Missing Pieces" that I'm lately > seeing everywhere. This *is* an official release, on Hollis' own Pond Life label. It's seven tracks, six of them from the strange box set of three two-track cd-singles released after _Laughing Stock_, the seventh Hollis' pseudonymous piano track from the Allison/Brown _AV1_ album. Certainly worth getting if you like _Laughing Stock_, but nothing you've been suffering from not hearing all these years. glenn (back from a week in Belgium) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:30:49 -0400 From: "glenn mcdonald" Subject: [loud-fans] Things Hidden... My vacation reading was Reni Girard's _Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World_, which I bought some time ago after Scott mentioned it. Has anybody else attempted to read this? I made it through about a third, but by then the incessant clanging of my bullshit meter was giving me a headache, so I only skimmed bits of the rest. Alternate perspectives solicited. glenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:59:17 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Things Hidden... >My vacation reading was Reni Girard's _Things Hidden Since the Foundation of >the World_, which I bought some time ago after Scott mentioned it. Has >anybody else attempted to read this? I made it through about a third, but by >then the incessant clanging of my bullshit meter was giving me a headache, >so I only skimmed bits of the rest. Alternate perspectives solicited. Think I see part of the problem--Scott actually mentioned a book by that name written by Rene Girard. Pendant-ically off to look up some Dickkens, Andy MM: When casting the role of Max Schreck, was Willem Dafoe someone you initially thought of? EM: Willem was my first choice for the role of Max Schreck. He is one of those actors whos able to leap into this dark abyss most actors are afraid to leap into. MM: How did he handle all the makeup and costuming? EM: Once Willem was in makeup, with the corset and fangs, a dilemma came up as to how he was going to the bathroom. The nails were the real clincher. He would be in costume for 12 hours. I didnt realize we had to budget that into the system. How to get his food, how to cut it up properly. MM: And the bathroom part? EM: [Lets just say] there was an assistant present [laughs]. That is the ultimate movie star, which is the irony of it. Willem acts with humility on and off the set. It was strange and funny. [--E. Elias Merhige, director of SHADOW OF THE VAMPIRE; from an interview with Paula Schwartz for Moviemaker magazine at http://www.moviemaker.com/hop/03/directing.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:00:30 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Verlaines Dan Sallitt wrote: > I'm listening to Barbara Manning's IN NEW ZEALAND EP, which I find sort > of irritating and overly distanced on the whole. The only song I like > is the one with music written by Graeme Downes, called "Patience Is > Gone." Does anyone know if the feel of this song is characteristic of > Downes' work with the Verlaines? Thanks. - Dan The Verlaines are all over the map, stylistically, but there are many other songs in their catalog with the same feel as "Patience Is Gone". Graeme Downes has a background as a classical musician (and now lectures in the music department at the University of Otago in Dunedin, NZ http://www.otago.ac.nz/music/GD.html), which sometimes helps him, and sometimes hurts him as a pop/rock songwriter. I think the best CD to start with the Verlaines (with a few "Patience is Gone"-like songs) is either JUVENILIA or BIRD DOG, two early albums that are still available from Flying Nun. Their US Slash albums, LEARNING TO FLY and WAY OUT WHERE, are also really good, and quite easy to find in used bins. There's also a Graeme Downes solo album coming out on Matador sometime in the future (whenever that is!) As well as co-writing "Patience is Gone" with Graeme, Barbara Manning has covered two other Downes/Verlaines songs ("Joed Out" on the NO ALTERNATIVE comp and "Hanging By Strands" on the Go-Luckys album), so she must be a big fan.. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:50:47 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Ultra Vivid Scene said michael: > >Yeah...I'd forgotten just how dark this album is. You might go with > >Praise the Low as having the most depressing lyrics on the album, but for > > >my money, not even Roger Waters could beat "A razor blade, a terror and a > > >dream / Every afternoon, a whisper and a scream." of course, it does end on an upbeat note with "lightning will dry all your tears..." anyway, there's all kinds of reasons to love this album -- the rather circular and hypnotic qualities of the songs amongst them. i read that Kurt Ralske wasn't fond of the sound, believing Hugh Jones gave it too much of a sheen. but i always tripped to the little production touches, like the high cymbals here and there that are flanged or something and keep changing pitch. it's like a textbook on subtlety -- there's a ton of sonic details lurking about the mix, waiting to bite your ear. what's he doing these days, anyway? somebody tell Kurt to write up a new batch of weird pop songs, darn it! and said rog: >One thing I really liked about MANHUNTER was the excellently creepy use of >the Shriekback songs Coelacanth and This Big Hush. OIL & GOLD is still one >of my all-time favorite albums. Michael Mann must be a big Shriekback fan, >since he used their songs a lot back in those days. I remember BAND OF THE >HAND had Faded Flowers in it. might've been the times (and the substances), but i remember having my mind blown by Shriekback in college -- probably the biggest single impediment to paying attention to REM, as others with more foresight were busy doing -- and of course i thought "Oil and Gold" was grand. i always thought "Health and Knowledge and Wealth and Power" would have made a good James Bond theme - -- or would have played well over a boat chase or a airport tarmac scene in Miami Vice. so maybe that was the vibe Michael Mann was tapped into. since we're here -- A) was "Jam Science" ever released on CD? and B) did anyone (anywhere) hear and/or buy "Naked Apes and Plant Life"? i found "Sacred City" hopelessly derivative of their earlier works... dc vicinity of seattle ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #78 ******************************