From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #76 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Sunday, May 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] Snob + Devo [Mark W Staples ] Re: [loud-fans] Snob + Devo [Dana L Paoli ] [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul ["Andrew Hamlin" ] [loud-fans] stupid temperment question and stupider yet? [dmw ] [loud-fans] missing pieces (ns) [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul ["John Swartzentruber"] Re: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul [Tim_Walters@digidesig] Re: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul ["Andrew Hamlin" ] Re: [loud-fans] kevin ayers tidbit (ns) ["Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] Snob + Devo This crossed my mind while listening to the Kaleidescope World CD at work last night...does anyone remember a televsion program called "Snob"? The first time I ever saw a Chills video (from BRAVE WORDS) was at a drug soaked college party on Edisto Island in the autumn of 1987. I saw this program once, then never saw it again. Where did it originate from, and how long was it on the air? Even though I was kind of out of it, I remember it seemed like a really cool show...more interesting to me than the party, actually. Also, Mark Mothersbaugh (sp?) from Devo has a new project called the Wipeouters, but it's really just Devo in a different shirt. Anyone picked this disc up? It's supposed to be technosurf (musical hairsplitting). On planet Earth...I'll probably stay, M np This Busy Monster FIREWORKS Musical Hairsplitting: The act of classifying music and musicians into pathologically picayune categories: "The Vienna Franks are a good example of urban white acid folk revivalism crossed with ska." (Douglas Coupland, GENERATION X, 1991) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:32:53 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Snob + Devo Musical Hairsplitting: The act of classifying music and musicians into pathologically picayune categories: "The Vienna Franks are a good example of urban white acid folk revivalism crossed with ska." >>>>>>>>>>. I'm talking well beyond my knowledge here, and so open to correction, but wouldn't most acid-folk bands be made up of urban white kids? The above description makes me think of Damon and Naomi covering Fishbone, which sounds at least interesting. Possible album title: Party Meeting at Ground Zero. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:07:52 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul Douglas Noel Adams March 11, 1952 - May 11, 2001 Requiescat in pace. Andy "I picture my creation and see God matching my soul with my body and marrying me to my heart. Like any marriage there was a ceremony, and questions posed directly to me. Do you accept this life, for better or worse in good time and in bad, through truth and lies, punishments and rewards, filled with misery, agony, and extreme loneliness through love and hate life and death hit and miss, and all other complications or celebrations? To which I responded, I DO. So here I am, and so I have." - --Anthony J. Rewerts, from THE DARK AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:41:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Snob + Devo > Musical Hairsplitting: The act of classifying music and musicians into > pathologically picayune categories: "The Vienna Franks are a good example > of urban white acid folk revivalism crossed with ska." > (Douglas Coupland, GENERATION X, 1991) Aside from the likely redundancy Dana pointed out (probably while listening to that _Party Meeting at Ground Zero_ album), the problem is the "good example of," which is the part that implies these are *categories*. The phrase "urban white acid folk revivalism crossed with ska" is merely an attempt at a description - not a very good one, but hey, he probably just made it up off the top of his head. So, assuming one can imagine what the hypothetical music of the Vienna Franks sounds like from this description, what sort of description of such a record would Coupland approve of? I mean, what is he criticizing here: the description, or the assumption that its readers would know all of those categories and be able to use them to come up with an approximation of the band's sound? Or does he seriously think many writers are that into making up categories? (Okay, that might be true if he'd written "intelligent post-gabber acid-hop big-beat ambient electro"...that crowd really *does* seem to like to make up categories seemingly for every new release - along with new names for the musicians, etc.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::beliefs are ideas going bald:: __Francis Picabia__ So long and thanks for all the interstellar bypasses... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:53:18 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Snob + Devo At 01:41 PM 5/12/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >Aside from the likely redundancy Dana pointed out (probably while >listening to that _Party Meeting at Ground Zero_ album), the problem is >the "good example of," which is the part that implies these are >*categories*. The phrase "urban white acid folk revivalism crossed with >ska" is merely an attempt at a description - not a very good one, but hey, >he probably just made it up off the top of his head. > >So, assuming one can imagine what the hypothetical music of the Vienna >Franks sounds like from this description, what sort of description of such >a record would Coupland approve of? I mean, what is he criticizing here: >the description, or the assumption that its readers would know all of >those categories and be able to use them to come up with an approximation >of the band's sound? Or does he seriously think many writers are that >into making up categories? By god, I am NOT going to sit here and have you elitist pseudo-intellectuals impugn the name of the sainted Douglas Coupland! This man is the Bret Easton Ellis of the '90s, I'll have you know, and he is not to be spoken of in such dismissive terms! Now, let's talk about the important things that we're all here to discuss, such as my cat Muffin and my '95 Cougar. S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] stupid temperment question and stupider yet? you know i thought this was starting to make sense to me, but ... if i tune a guitar the way i originally learned to, i.e., get a low e from somewhere, tune the a string so that it matches the a on e string fifth fret, etc.., then , uhm, i'm not really tuning it in equal tempermant, am i? i'm tuning it, i s'pose, since i started with an e, in some key of e. uhm, assuming the instrument is well-intonated, i guess. right? but my bands tend to play music in all sortsa different keys. does this trick only work because we're all playing instruments that are stringed instruments tuned in fourths? if we added a keyboard player would we have to tune to that instead? oh, and does anybody have any, preferably cheap or free, win32 compatible utilities that do a good job of recovering data from a hard drive that windoze no longer thinks is formatted that they would care to recommend? these are happily not urgent questions. - -- d. = i do what i am told. i am not opinionated. i accept without | dmw@ = questioning. i do not make a fuss. i am a good consumer. |radix.net = pathetic-caverns.com * fecklessbeast.com * shoddyworkmanship.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] Burning CD (as in CD burning) question I spent all afternoon setting up and playing with my new CD burner but, of course, I'm having some trouble with it. In order to put something onto a CD, I'm told, it first has to be in .wav, .wma or .mp3 format. I copied some songs I wanted to put on a CD using Real Jukebox which copies things in the incompatible .rmx format, whatever that is. Do I have to download a special program, or something, to convert songs to any of the desired formats, or is it all much easier than I know and I'm just too technologically inept to see it? Any help will be very greatly appreciated. Jer np: Josie & the Pussycats (soundtrack) ===== Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:36:12 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Snob + Devo In a message dated 5/12/01 12:02:03 PM, flamingo@rt66.com writes: << By god, I am NOT going to sit here and have you elitist pseudo-intellectuals impugn the name of the sainted Douglas Coupland! This man is the Bret Easton Ellis of the '90s, I'll have you know, and he is not to be spoken of in such dismissive terms! Now, let's talk about the important things that we're all here to discuss, such as my cat Muffin and my '95 Cougar. >> I don't usually encourage Internet romance, but I'll pay for the wedding cake after Stewart and Mark finally meet. Or the commitment cake. Whichever. I'd also like to buy the story rights to produce a really cute made-for-TV movie. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:07:49 -0400 From: Mark W Staples Subject: [loud-fans] Re: My cat Muffin and my '95 Cougar On Sat, 12 May 2001 12:53:18 -0600 Stewart Mason writes: > At 01:41 PM 5/12/01 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > >Aside from the likely redundancy Dana pointed out (probably while > >listening to that _Party Meeting at Ground Zero_ album), the > problem is > >the "good example of," which is the part that implies these are > >*categories*. The phrase "urban white acid folk revivalism crossed > with > >ska" is merely an attempt at a description - not a very good one, > but hey, > >he probably just made it up off the top of his head. > > > >So, assuming one can imagine what the hypothetical music of the > Vienna > >Franks sounds like from this description, what sort of description > of such > >a record would Coupland approve of? I mean, what is he criticizing > here: > >the description, or the assumption that its readers would know all > of > >those categories and be able to use them to come up with an > approximation > >of the band's sound? Or does he seriously think many writers are > that > >into making up categories? > > By god, I am NOT going to sit here and have you elitist > pseudo-intellectuals impugn the name of the sainted Douglas > Coupland! This > man is the Bret Easton Ellis of the '90s, I'll have you know, and he > is not > to be spoken of in such dismissive terms! > > Now, let's talk about the important things that we're all here to > discuss, > such as my cat Muffin and my '95 Cougar. > > S > I promised I would never say an unkind word to you again, and I'm doing my best to not let my emotions get a hold of me and say something I'll regret later. Also, I wish I didn't have to post something like this to you over the list vs. in private, but if you're going to be snide to me over the list, then I will respond to you over the list. Actually Stewart, I don't have a cat, and my mom was the one with the Cougar, a '68. You've made it quite clear that being me doesn't meet with your specifications. However, this isn't your list. It is everyone's. And, had I received a computer sooner, I would have been here sooner. Is it not okay in your world to have a favorite writer or something? Or to show enthusiasm over something? To not project a vibe of ennui and sarcasm? That stance is poisonous to the spirit. Ridiculing nearly EVERY post I submit to the list...does it make you feel good inside? It cannot possibly. Why does it continue? Do you think I'm going to leave because of it? If you think some listers tire of my postings, I would think it a safe bet that some listers are just as tired of your attacks on me. Hazing me isn't going to make me leave the list Stewart, because, even though you dislike me, there are nice people here that welcome me, like Jen and Andy and Larry and Doug. Don't I, being that Scott is my favorite musician, as Doug is my favorite writer, have a right to be here? This list has provided me with a wealth of information and mental stimulation, and, I enjoy it here, aside from your constant barrage of fiery arrows aimed my way, whose launching have become as predictable as rain. Surprise me and drop the attitude and be civil for a change. Please. - -Mark ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: [loud-fans] CD Burning question Here's a tricky techie question. I need to burn a CD with an audio portion and a data portion (a QuickTime movie & a text file). The audio portion *must* be DAO - it's a live show - and should be burned first, so CD players can see the tracks. I've tried CD Creator, Nero and CDRWin, and can't get any of them to do it right. Help! J. Mallon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:31:05 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] stupid temperment question and stupider yet? Guitar frets are set up in equal temperament. In fact, it's much more complex to set them up any other way--the frets have to be either non-perpendicular to the neck, or split into fretlets--which is why guitarists and lutenists went ET long before everybody else (causing the medieval equivalent of flame wars in the musicological literature of the period). So if you tune by the frets, you get ET and compatibility with keyboards. If you tune by harmonics, on the other hand, you get something between Pythagorean JI and ET, which will favor some keys over others. And you have to figure out what to do with the B string. Disclaimer: I am not a guitarist, but a dulcimer player. I have some of the same issues, but since my tuning is open the harmonic system works well. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:34:56 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul To add to the depressing news, I got an e-mail today saying that John Hartford is in the last stages of terminal cancer. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:30:01 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul At 02:34 PM 5/12/01 -0700, Tim_Walters@digidesign.com wrote: >To add to the depressing news, I got an e-mail today saying that John Hartford >is in the last stages of terminal cancer. This is terribly depressing news. John Hartford is one of a kind. Although most people probably know him from his hits--"Gentle On My Mind" is probably the best-known Hartford tune--his own albums tended to be all over the map, putting the sweetest little acoustic love songs you've ever heard against some tunes of unsurpassed weirdness. "Boogie" comes immediately to mind, a one-minute a capella piece delivered in a voice somewhere between Wild Man Fischer and that dirty old man character Arte Johnson played on Laugh-In, consisting of the repeated phrase "Hey babe, you wanna boogie?/Boogie oogie oogie with me" interspersed with a lot of grunts that sound more scatological than sexual. The fact that this was released on a major label only goes to show how conservative the big record companies have gotten in the last quarter-century. Stewart NP: HEADIN' DOWN INTO THE MYSTERY BELOW--John Hartford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:01:18 EDT From: JRT456@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] My cat Muffin and my '95 Cougar At 02:34 PM 5/12/01 -0700, markwaltonstaples@juno.com wrote: <> Can't you crazy kids see that YOU'RE PERFECT FOR EACH OTHER!?! More importantly, this pitch is looking great in a post-"Will and Grace" world: "Sparks fly and chart hits flow when two burly young men meet on an Internet chat list! 'Mark' and 'Stewart' can't agree on pop novelists, but they sure agree on two things: Great pop music, and that the world is a cruel place for those special guys who understand even the most intellectual jokes on 'The Simpsons.' This odd couple can't hide their mutual attraction as they try to prove that only one of them is the true poster boy for too many nights spent playing vintage vinyl while comparing snack foods! It's always a question of 'Who's on top?' with every episode of 'Un-BEAR-ably Yours!'" Excuse me while I get Oliver Platt and Mark Addy on the phone. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:03:45 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: [loud-fans] Pharoah's Tomb Imagine my surprise when I looked at the instructions for the PC-version of an old favourite 8-bit computer game of mine I had just downloaded and they ended with the words "Thank you, Scott Miller". =) Did Scott ever work for Apogee Software Productions? :) Toodlepip, - -Stef Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:35:48 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] kevin ayers tidbit (ns) Took my first plunge into his catalog today, and found out (to my surprise) that I'd previously sort-of heard "There Is Loving/Among Us/There Is Loving." Ultramarine do a very loosly interpreted cover of it on their great "Every Man and Woman is a Star" album. In fact, I seem to recall that Kevin sings on their version as well. Unfortunately, all my CDs are packed up, so I can't check. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:40:45 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: [loud-fans] missing pieces (ns) Normally, I probably would have addressed this to a certain someone off-list, but I'm not sure if he buys bootlegs, so... Has anyone picked up the Talk Talk thing "Missing Pieces" that I'm lately seeing everywhere. Maybe it's "Missing Links" come to think of it. Anyway, it has their usual style of cover art, but appears to be a bootleg. Maybe it's not, though. Music is confusing when you don't have access to the internet. - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:41:46 -0400 From: "John Swartzentruber" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul On Sat, 12 May 2001 16:30:01 -0600, Stewart Mason wrote: >"Boogie" comes >immediately to mind, a one-minute a capella piece delivered in a voice >somewhere between Wild Man Fischer and that dirty old man character Arte >Johnson played on Laugh-In, consisting of the repeated phrase "Hey babe, >you wanna boogie?/Boogie oogie oogie with me" interspersed with a lot of >grunts that sound more scatological than sexual. > >The fact that this was released on a major label only goes to show how >conservative the big record companies have gotten in the last quarter-century. Not only that, it must have gotten a fair amount of radio play since I can hear this song in my head and I'm sure I've never heard a John Hartford album. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:26:42 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul >Not only that, it must have gotten a fair amount of radio play since I >can hear this song in my head and I'm sure I've never heard a John >Hartford album. "Boogie" is/was a Dr. Demento staple, I believe. Hartford also plays a couple of fiddle tunes on the outstanding O BROTHER soundtrack. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:39:08 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The Long Dark Tea-Time Of The Soul >"Boogie" comes >immediately to mind, a one-minute a capella piece delivered in a voice >somewhere between Wild Man Fischer and that dirty old man character Arte >Johnson played on Laugh-In, consisting of the repeated phrase "Hey babe, >you wanna boogie?/Boogie oogie oogie with me" interspersed with a lot of >grunts that sound more scatological than sexual. Hey, you forgot "We can boogie over here/We can boogie over there/C'mon, baby we can boogie everywhere"! Mr. Hartford performed this song on "The Tush Show" from (I think) the then-nascent TBS. He held a fiddle at his waist and occasionally made a bow-swipe at it. I can only assume the ditty got airplay somewhere. This is indeed sad news. Music's got me feelin' so free, Andy "Everything's temporary in this world Ain't it a shame when you lose someone Here tomorrow - gone today Wash us away..." - --Ian Hunter, from "Wash Us Away" on his (superb) new album RANT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:44:39 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] missing pieces (ns) >Has anyone picked up the Talk Talk thing "Missing Pieces" that I'm lately >seeing everywhere. Maybe it's "Missing Links" come to think of it. >Anyway, it has their usual style of cover art, but appears to be a >bootleg. Maybe it's not, though. Music is confusing when you don't have >access to the internet. glenn could explain this better than I can and I hope he will, but MISSING PIECES is an official release, consisting of tracks from a special limited pressing of LAUGHING STOCK, a b-side or two, and an instrumental (I think) piece Mark Hollis did relatively recently for an art installation. Some of the cuts seem to be alternate versions of LAUGHING STOCK tunes, but I haven't heard the disc, so I can't say for sure. If you're seeing it everywhere, count yourself lucky--CDNow says it's an import. glenn? Andy "Poverty is no vice, but it is an inconvenience." - --John Florio, from his SECOND FRUTES ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:47:54 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] kevin ayers tidbit (ns) >Took my first plunge into his catalog today, and found out (to my >surprise) that I'd previously sort-of heard "There Is Loving/Among >Us/There Is Loving." Which reminds me, www.absound.ca has a fine selection of Ayers albums, including some of the more-oft-praised ones in the recent Ayers discussion. Still can't find a decently-priced Back Door album, though, Andy "And the man who plants cabbages imitates too!" - --Austin Dobson, from his BALLADE OF IMITATION ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:29:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph M. Mallon" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Pharoah's Tomb On Sun, 13 May 2001, [iso-8859-1] Stef Hurts wrote: > Imagine my surprise when I looked at the instructions for the PC-version > of an old favourite 8-bit computer game of mine I had just downloaded and > they ended with the words "Thank you, Scott Miller". =) > > Did Scott ever work for Apogee Software Productions? :) Not our Scott. There's one that desgin(ed/s) video games, one that used to play with the V-Roys, and Our Scott - all different. J. Mallon ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #76 ******************************