From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #73 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Thursday, May 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 073 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] REM goes gold ["\(The Arch-Villain\) West" ] Re: [loud-fans] REM goes gold [Dana L Paoli ] Re: [loud-fans] REM goes gold ["Phil Gerrard" ] Re: [loud-fans] REM goes gold [dc ] RE: [loud-fans] It gave me a Rush (ns) [bbradley@namesecure.com] Re: [loud-fans] The *Other* Scott [mbowen@samoyedsoft.com] [loud-fans] Sinatra and Ava [Richard Gagnon ] Re: [loud-fans] Dee-stroyah! [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] Sleep side TWO ["Larry Tucker" ] Re: [loud-fans] Sleep side TWO [Dan Sallitt ] Re: [loud-fans] Sleep side TWO ["Larry Tucker" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 00:21:00 -0700 From: "\(The Arch-Villain\) West" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] REM goes gold > skimming for bootlegs on Ebay, i'm reminded of the existence of several > "24 karat gold" CD's pressed by the (apparently now defunct) Mobile > Fidelity Sound Lab label, specifically "Murmur" and "Reckoning." has > anybody heard and/or purchased these? were they remastered I have "Reckoning", but I only bought it because there are thirty seconds of what seems to be some kind of rehearsal/jam at the very end of the album which was previously only available on the vinyl LP; no other CD release of "Reckoning", as far as I know, has this extra goody. (I paid $25 for a snippet of R.E.M. music. Let the snickering begin!) As to the sound quality, I confess that I am a complete dope when it comes to these matters. I can tell when a movie has been restored, remastered or digitally tweaked for video, but with music... well, let's just say that to me, "digitally remastered" equals "now way louder". > i recently forked out $20 for the remastered "Document" reissue for my > home; the old one stays at the office. i think i have a pretty good ear, > but i haven't listened with enough dilligence to decide whether it was > worth it. Is that the one that comes in a CD-sized reproduction of the album sleeve? If so, it's now way louder. We will gather - throw up beer, West. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 08:44:58 -0400 From: Mark W Staples Subject: Fw: Re: [loud-fans] REM goes gold - --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark W Staples To: dc@bainbridge.net Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 08:34:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [loud-fans] REM goes gold On Tue, 08 May 2001 21:32:37 -0700 dc writes: > since we're about to be discussing new REM, let's talk about some > more > vintage fare... > > skimming for bootlegs on Ebay, i'm reminded of the existence of > several > "24 karat gold" CD's pressed by the (apparently now defunct) Mobile > Fidelity Sound Lab label, specifically "Murmur" and "Reckoning." > has > anybody heard and/or purchased these? were they remastered? is there > any > noticeable improvement over the regular pressings? what exactly is > the > advantage of a gold disc supposed to be? > > i recently forked out $20 for the remastered "Document" reissue for > my > home; the old one stays at the office. i think i have a pretty good > ear, > but i haven't listened with enough dilligence to decide whether it > was > worth it. > > it's what i want, hurry and buy... > > dc > vicinity of seattle > I have the Mobile Fidelity gold disc of RECKONING. It's the only one I own. I always thought the sound quality of that album was just dismal...maybe Reflection Sound was good enough for Jim and Tammy, but not for R.E.M.. Yes, the sound quality in my opinion, is much better. Once when I D.J.d, I had to go to the bathroom for a bit, so I told the audience that I was going to be playing "'Left' of RECKONING," to buy me some time, and I told them I was going to play the Mobile Fidelity version. I got a caller from Tennessee who told me that he could tell a difference listening over the air. I don't know what they did to the recording, but it sounds like a layer has been lifted off of it...plus that little sound byte at the album's end which wasn't on the original AM+ (Audio Master Plus) series from A&M and I.R.S. is on this version. Go for it. I'm glad I did. It was worth the extra money to me. In the mood....alright. M "How are we to know that people with 'no lives' aren't really on the new frontier of human sentience and perception?" 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Probably more expensive, too - but I've always heard that the strips are for "security": you know, so people wouldn't confuse the fourth, self-titled Peter Gabriel album with the other three. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life ahead of you, ::dancing the night away to celebrate... ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. np: Mike Oldfield _Hergest Ridge_ so there. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:51:01 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: [loud-fans] REM goes gold On Wed, 9 May 2001, steve wrote: > reissues when the second 5 come out). Gold is supposed to be a better > medium for the pits that the laser reads, but who knows? The real deal, I think, is that the human reaction to the soft yellow metal is not rational, but this claim has a more or less legitimate scientific backing: aluminum is a promiscuous slut of a metal, but gold is less likely to jump in bed with any old oxygen molecule. in practical terms, that may mean the lifespan of a gold CD could be measured in scores, maybe even hundreds of years, vs. regular CDs, which probably measure their lifespan in dozens of years (and not very many dozen at that, depending on storage conditions, and, on how clean the clean room was when they were pressed). This may all be undercut though, by degradation of the plastic medium itself, which is probably subject to all sorts of leeching action that could change it's refractivity, warp it, etc. no matter what the data substrate is made of. Someone call me an alarmist now. - -- d. np a mann, _magnolia_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:30:57 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] REM goes gold BTW, there's a very uninformed-sounding slam of the new album, prominently featured at Slate magazine: http://slate.msn.com/culturebox/entries/01-05-08_105583.asp I'm no REM fan (IMHO, the only decent thing they've ever done was Fables, and maybe parts of Monster) but the writer sounds like an idiot... - --dana, pleased to see that Scott is rocking out to Urge Overkill these days: http://loudfamily.com/askscott.html ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:55:25 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] REM goes gold Dana wrote: > BTW, there's a very uninformed-sounding slam of the new album, > prominently featured at Slate magazine: > > http://slate.msn.com/culturebox/entries/01-05-08_105583.asp > > I'm no REM fan (IMHO, the only decent thing they've ever done was > Fables, and maybe parts of Monster) but the writer sounds like an > idiot... I must admit, I wasn't too keen on the paragraph about the band's musicianship, in particular the pop at Stipe's vocals, which I've always loved. However, I've spent my last few lunch hours listening to 'Reveal' on the headsets at Virgin Records - OK, admittedly not the ideal way to get acquainted with a new record - and I'm sorry to say that it really does sound bad to me. I can understand the band's reluctance to rock out now that they're at an age where doing so might appear, um, undignified (tho' since when has dignity been required of rock stars?) but the record's almost wilfully unobtrusive. My own favourite REM album remains 'Life's Rich Pageant', which might suggest that it's the early, punky energy of the band that I miss, but so many of my favourite songs from those early years are ballads that I don't think that could be the case. If even one of the songs on the new record sounded like it could approach the impact that, say, 'Perfect Circle' had on me the first time I heard it, I'd be convincedto go out and buy it. For me, there's something desperately statesmanlike come over REM since 'Up', and it's a development I find scary. Even their much-vaunted attempts at experimentation since Bill Berry's departure have sounded so polite as to be apologetic, and with 'Reveal' REM seem to me to have made the coffee-table-alternative album they've been threatening to make for the last few years. I find it so hard to imagine anybody truly being distracted, let alone spellbound, by these songs in the way that the early REM captivated me. Believe me, I'm really sad about this - peace & love phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:18:03 -0700 From: dc Subject: Re: [loud-fans] REM goes gold sez west: >Is that the one that comes in a CD-sized reproduction of the album sleeve? >If so, it's now way louder. that's certainly true -- it does pack *a lot* of wallop remastered. i don't know if was expecting previously unheard nuances to come bounding out of the mix or not. no complaints, i guess. sez mark: > >I have the Mobile Fidelity gold disc of RECKONING. It's the only one I > >own. I always thought the sound quality of that album was just dismal... yeah, that album has always struck me as something of a step backward sonically, kind of muddy, esp. after the punch and clarity of some of the "Murmur" tracks. one wonders whether that was a conscious move, or whether Don and Mitch were having an off-month. (or maybe my BMG pressing just sucks...) anyway, thanks for all the feedback. off to Ebay to take the plunge... she will return, dc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:26:11 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans] It gave me a Rush (ns) my favorite Rush album, which probably falls in the 'synth-y' category, is Presto. that would be my recommendation, but if you don't like that sound, i'm not sure if you'd like the album. it has a few hokey moments, but over all, i think it's a great bunch of tunes. - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: 9 May 2001 11:47:01 -0700 From: mbowen@samoyedsoft.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The *Other* Scott There was a minor foofaraw on the Richard Thompson list last week; people were complaining that people were replying to incorrectly-cited posts. Turns out that part of the problem was that there are two Scott Millers on that list, neither of whom are musicians. Michael (not the actor, the writer, nor the archbishop) Bowen On Tue, 08 May 2001, Miles Goosens wrote: > > At 09:54 PM 5/8/2001 -0400, GlenSarvad@aol.com wrote: > >I just read that Scott Miller, the one that used to front the V-Roys, has a > >solo album coming out shortly. Wonder if we can expect any misguided souls > >to show up on our doorstep.... > > But I'm already here! > > glad he doesn't have to choose > between two Scott Millers, > > Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:08:25 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Sinatra and Ava >Jeffrey quotes: > > Sean "Puffy" Combs says his romance with Jennifer Lopez had all the torrid >> qualitites of the affair between Frank Sinatra and Ava Gardner. >> >> "I'm Frank, you know what I'm saying?" Combs tells the June issue of > > Vanity Fair. Which is very, very funny when you peruse this excerpt from an interview with Gardner's previous husband, Artie Shaw: "Sex can create tremendous chaos, but it can also be the source of great joy. My relationship with Ava Gardner was absolutely glorious that way. Ava came to see me one time after she'd been married to Sinatra for a while. She was having trouble with him, and she said to me "When we were, you know, doing it" --that was her way of saying it--"Was it good?" I said that if everything else had been anywhere near as good, we'd have been together forever and I'd never have let you out of my sight. She gave a sigh of relief. I said why? She said, "With him it's impossible." I said, "I thought he was a big stud." She said, "No, it's like being in bed with a woman." Artie Shaw, from Book of Changes, Interviews by Kristine McKenna np: The Songwriters, Smash Hits by Roger Greenaway and Roger Cook - -- + Le paysage avait la milancolie des choses inachevies ; **** Marcel Brion, "Les escales de la Haute Nuit" **** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Dee-stroyah! On Tue, 8 May 2001, triggercut wrote: > Just wanted to drop a brief notice that I picked up a copy of the new > Destroyer cd over the weekend (this would be Dan Bejar, whom I first > encountered this year as a member of the New Pornographers; apparently > this is the third, and most fidelic of the Destroyers output...). Fourth, actually: WE'LL BUILD THEM A GOLDEN BRIDGE (1996), CITY OF DAUGHTERS (1998), THIEF (2000) and STREETHAWK. The first one is mostly noise and dinking around. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:22:12 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Sleep side TWO The remainder of Jenny Grover's swap tape. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ For Against - Nightmare Life I enjoyed this though I've never heard of them. They remind me a bit of Richard Barone or the Bongos. Are they a Hoboken band? I thought the ending was a little drawn out though. Heatmiser - Sleeping Pill I think the best think Elliott Smith ever did was go solo. I was first introduced to Heatmiser after getting and loving ES's ROMAN CANDLE and then deciding to see what his prior band was all about. Boy was I disappointed, there's very little I find of interest that they did. Soft Boys - Dreams I've been listening to a lot of Soft Boys lately after catching their last tour and the reissue of UNDERWATER MOONLIGHT so this was quite familiar. I love the combination of Robyn's and Kimberly's voices and that hint of early Pink Floyd in this one. Eleven - Big Sleep Didn't much care for this one. Sounds like a Soundgarden clone. And there's all those way too fast guitar leads. Are they also from the Northwest? Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds - I Had a Dream, Joe The reincarnation of Jim Morrison and the Doors? That sexy, creepy voice. Doesn't he have a new album out? Richard Thompson - I Still Dream I'm a big RT fan but I've always though this was a half-hearted or maybe a little TOO sleepy take on this song. I've heard it done live so much better. This one to me just begs for better backing vocals like all those albums he did with Gregson & Collister. Grace - Sleep Well Sounds to me like a Hootie clone. I hope they do sleep well. Marc Olson - To Sleep I've always wanted to hear something from this man and I'm glad I did. I loved the guitar break, but I would have liked the song even better with a not so soft vocal treatment. The Church - Dead Man's Dream This band has to be the masters of that dreamy looping washing sound. A nice way to start wrapping this tape up. Loud Family - Sister Sleep Of course this would be *the one* to end with though. And what a fine little jewel this is, and equally good live. One among many Scott classics. Thanks again Jenny for a fine tape! I never believed any of those jokes about people from West Virginia anyway. - --Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 08:47:26 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] Dream side ONE Jenny Grover sent me a wonderfully constructed tape of songs about dreaming/sleeping called TO SLEEP, PERCHANCE TO DREAM. Great job finding all this stuff Jenny! I don't have the patience to things this cool. And aside from the novelty theme nature of the tape I found several bands I'd never heard that I'm sure to seek out. After all, this IS what these swaps are all about. So for side A: Mark Lanagan - Untitled Lullaby A slow song to begin this collection, but I really like this guys voice. There's something about the music that reminds me a little of Jack Logan for some reason. Any connection? Built to Spill - Made-Up Dreams I liked and have this as well. Sounds a lot like the Pixies with the edges all rounded off. Jeff Buckley - Dream Bother OK, I no longer have an excuse for NOT having any JB in my collection. I loved this! It grabbed me immediately. Nice follow-up to the BtS song, it has a lot of little pauses in it like BtS use frequently to good effect. dB's - Moving in Your Sleep How many hundreds of times have I listened to this song by now...and it still sounds wonderful. Probably one of the most atypical Holsapple/dB's period songs. The music has this slow breathing quality to it. I always thought that some day this could be use to great effect in a movie. Peter Murphy - Dream Gone By I don't think I've heard anything yet from Murphy that I can really enjoy, and this is no exception. I've got the same problem with his voice I have with Kerr of the Simple Minds. Ride - Dreams Burn Down Another missing artist in my collection which I will quickly remedy. Sounded like a brighter version of Built to Spill. Also reminded me a lot of another fave of mine in this style, the Stone Roses. Where's a good place to start Riding? Tindersticks - Paco de Renaldo's Dream This one really annoyed me, especially the cacophony of foreign voices at the end. The Wellwater Conspiracy - Of Dreams This is truly my most treasured find on this tape. Jenny, I loved this. The bass and drums reminded me a lot of some of those great early Who songs. I have got to know more about this band. I've never even heard of them until now. Les Thugs - I Was Dreaming If George Harrison could get into trouble for ripping "He's So Fine" then these guys are on dangerous territory with Bruce's "Dancing in the Dark". And they even use dancing at one point in the lyrics. Maybe Les Thugs is French for song stealers. Electric Prunes - Too Much to Dream It's amazing how well this song has held up with time. It still sounds fresh today except for the dated Spectorish production. In the context of this collection I never realized how garagey they sounded. I bet they would have been terrific to have seen "live". ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Thanks again Jenny, side 2 will follow later....... - --Larry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 18:57:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The *Other* Scott On 9 May 2001 mbowen@samoyedsoft.com wrote: > There was a minor foofaraw on the Richard Thompson list last week; > people were complaining that people were replying to incorrectly-cited > posts. Turns out that part of the problem was that there are two Scott > Millers on that list, neither of whom are musicians. > > Michael (not the actor, the writer, nor the archbishop) Bowen We, of course, used to (still do?) have two Bills Holmeses (if I'm remembering correctly). Some of you might be extremely frightened to note that I once had a student with my name...I'm thinking someone ought to convert Jeffrey Norman, the recording engineer who's worked with the Grateful Dead and Captain Beefheart (okay, I'm sure there's *someone* else who's also worked with both), to Scott fanhood so's the list can be confused by two more similarly named entities. - --Jeffrey with 2 I's Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ np: Add N to (X) _Add Insult to Injury_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 21:43:11 -0300 From: John F Butland Subject: Re: [loud-fans] cd opening tip (ns) At 08:25 AM 01-05-09 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Tue, 8 May 2001, Jer Fairall wrote: > >If so, Ryko's old idea - the folded piece of cardboard that went over the >top of the CD - is much better. Probably more expensive, too - but I've >always heard that the strips are for "security": you know, so people >wouldn't confuse the fourth, self-titled Peter Gabriel album with the >other three. > Emminent Records and Innerstate, a couple of rootsy labels, have picked up that bit (cardboard overlays) lately. And I notice that cardboard slipcase sleeves seem to be more popluar too. And whiel getting Jeff's pun, isn't teh whoel purpose of those, just like the little silver dog bones of previous times, an attempt to prohibit stores from shrink-wrapping used product and returning it for credit? 'Cept the top spine jobbies have titles printed on them to make it a less obvious ploy. best, jfb John F Butland O- butland@nbnet.nb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:40:04 -0400 From: Dan Sallitt Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sleep side TWO > Heatmiser - Sleeping Pill > I think the best think Elliott Smith ever did was go solo. I was first > introduced to Heatmiser after getting and loving ES's ROMAN CANDLE and > then deciding to see what his prior band was all about. Boy was I > disappointed, there's very little I find of interest that they did. Have you tried MIC CITY SONS? I feel the same as you about all their other albums, but this one is well worth a spin. - Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 21:36:41 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sleep side TWO >From: Dan Sallitt >To: "Loud-Fans (E-mail)" >Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Sleep side TWO >Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:40:04 -0400 > > > Heatmiser - Sleeping Pill > > I think the best think Elliott Smith ever did was go solo. I was first > > introduced to Heatmiser after getting and loving ES's ROMAN CANDLE and > > then deciding to see what his prior band was all about. Boy was I > > disappointed, there's very little I find of interest that they did. > >Have you tried MIC CITY SONS? I feel the same as you about all their >other albums, but this one is well worth a spin. - Dan Thanks Dan. I believe that is the one album I haven't gotten off Emusic yet. I'm on it...and I'll let you know. - --Larry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #73 ******************************