From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #66 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Saturday, May 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [loud-fans] origami CD sleeve [Aaron Mandel ] [loud-fans] worst shows [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] rock shows [Miles Goosens ] RE: [loud-fans] origami CD sleeve ["Keegstra, Russell" ] [loud-fans] Worst Concert Experience ["Kunkel, Mark" ] Re: [loud-fans] origami CD sleeve [Tim_Walters@digidesign.com] Re: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review [Miles Goosens ] Re: [loud-fans] The rest of Andrea's tape [Jer Fairall ] Re: [loud-fans] The rest of Andrea's tape [Michael Zwirn Subject: [loud-fans] origami CD sleeve my fellow CD-burners may be interested in this: http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/cd.gif i don't know anything about the technical vocabulary of origami, so steps 5-7 were a little unclear to me; seems to work okay, though. i showed it to a coworker who responded "what a surprising thing to discover on a friday." a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:55:21 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] worst shows i've seen offenses committed by any number of small time acts you wouldnae have heard of that aren't worth the trouble to mention. heck, i've *played* some notably horrible shows (it wasn't even always my fault). but in terms of national sorta acts, i think i'm going to go with labradford, who mixed stupefyingly dull with nauseatingly loud in a mixture that i found literally painful. i know a lot of folks who speak highly of their records, but i've never been able to make myself give one a shot after that experience. Grahame might even back me up on this, if he's still around, as I recall his opinion of the show was pretty much the same as mine. and the Firm were crap. - -- d. - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:00:46 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows At 11:13 AM 5/4/2001 -0700, Steve Holtebeck wrote: >In the Bay Area, R.E.M. played the Coliseum arena (where the Warriors >attempt to play) on both the LIFES RICH PAGEANT and GREEN tours, and >didn't fill it, but came close. Prompted by Steve's comment -- I actually have a tape of the 1987 Coliseum show, and it's the one 1987 tape I've heard that comes close to capturing the fury of their Charleston WV set earlier on the tour -- I took a look at the tour itinerary from 1987, and contrary to what I said before, it looks like a transitional tour: about equally divided between college gym and theatre stops from their 1983-86 circuit (Charleston's Capitol Theatre, UVA, Duke, Penn State, Purdue, the Pittsburgh Civic Arena, St. Louis' Fox Theatre) and big ol' places (the Oakland Coliseum, the Worcester Centrum, Universal Amphitheater). (I also need to correct the site's setlist for the Charleston '87 show - several big errors!) As for the Loud Family being a great live act, even though I didn't list them among the five best shows I've seen, they were superb all three times I saw them (St. Louis and Memphis '98, Atlanta '00), and from the tapes I've heard of earlier LF incarnations and of Game Theory, I don't understand the "studio band" rep *at all.* Heck, Scott even wears the shiny rock star shirt a lot of the time! Sheesh. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:23:08 -0500 From: "Keegstra, Russell" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] origami CD sleeve A find from Aaron: >my fellow CD-burners may be interested in this: > >http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/cd.gif > >i don't know anything about the technical vocabulary of origami, so steps >5-7 were a little unclear to me; seems to work okay, though. > >i showed it to a coworker who responded "what a surprising thing to >discover on a friday." This is way too cool. Took me a couple of tries (yeah, 5-7 needs some practice to figure out what's important), but then it is Friday. And, once unfolded you can make a template for a track listing in your favorite word processor. ...and now back to programming that UART routine. Russ np: from the cube next door, appears to be the Butthole Surfers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:36:31 -0500 From: "Kunkel, Mark" Subject: [loud-fans] Worst Concert Experience Ann Arbor, Michigan, 1980? In some sort of heroin case, Keith Richards is ordered by a Canadian court (I think) to do a series of benefits. He puts together a band called The New Barbarians, which includes, if memory serves, Bobby Keyes and Stanley Clark. Ron Wood, too, I think. When the concert is announced, rumors fly that Mick Jagger is going to show up! It'll be a Rolling Stones show! Like an idiot, I wait in line with a few friends (Dave Seldin, were you one of 'em? I can't remember) all night outside of Crisler Arena, with a few hundred more people for tickets. At one point during the night, some people in the crowd try to move to the front of the line. Other people react by surging forward. I'm in the middle of a crowd, I can't control where I'm going, and my arms are pinned to my side. I can't move my arms because people are crushed up next to me! Anyway, things settle down, and no one, I think, was hurt. The concert sucks. Keith Richards can't sing. (Not that that's a surprise.) He keeps moving his mouth away from the microphone so that you hear only every other word of songs like "I'm Gonna Walk Before They Make Me Run". Needless to say, the Jagger rumors turn out to be just rumors. Worst concert ever! As for favorite shows, I few years back, in support of their live album, Jason and the Scorchers played at a tiny blues club/restaurant in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. It was a Sunday night, and a fairly small crowd shows up. And the band doesn't care how many people are there! They play like it's their last night on earth! God bless Jason and the Scorchers. _______________________________________________ Mark Kunkel Legislative Attorney Legislative Reference Bureau (608) 266-0131 mark.kunkel@legis.state.wi.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:38:03 -0400 From: Dana L Paoli Subject: Re: [loud-fans] origami CD sleeve my fellow CD-burners may be interested in this: http://web.merrimack.edu/~thull/cd.gif i don't know anything about the technical vocabulary of origami, so steps 5-7 were a little unclear to me; seems to work okay, though. >>>>>>>>> This was so much fun!! I think that Giuliani has passed a law against the Fujimoto Approximation Technique, though, so just to be safe I used a ruler and guesstimated at about 1 3/4" per fifth. Mountain Fold apparently means "tuck the flaps in between." - --dana ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:56:43 -0700 From: Tim_Walters@digidesign.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] origami CD sleeve I don't know the F.A.T., but if you fold the flaps in so that the left flap is equal to the right flap is equal to the space between the flaps, it should be close enough for indie rock. I had some nice laid paper lying around the office and the effect is very nice. I might start releasing stuff this way! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:58:34 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review Jer says: >The Who: "I Can't Reach You," "Sunrise" > I would've never guessed that these two songs >were the Who unless I read the track listing first. >They sound much more like The Kinks, here, than the >same band that did "Substitute," "Won't Get Fooled >Again" or anything like that. Or maybe that's why the >album was called THE WHO SELL OUT? The Who of A QUICK ONE and THE WHO SELL OUT -- a Who I too was late in the game discovering -- was a much more poppy affair, so much so that the Kinks (wasn't "I Can't Explain" a deliberate attempt by Townshend to rip off the Kinks?) are the correct referent! Not that I have anything against WHO'S NEXT or QUADROPHENIA -- in fact, the latter is my favorite Who album. But the earlier stuff is significantly different than the Who as told by SuperMoribundAllWhiteExceptHendrixClassicRAWK FM -- the 1966-68 Who is limber, funny, melodic, fun, not at all the Who you thought you knew! Make sure you get the reissue CDs, where you get bonus stuff like a speaker-shredding "Disguises" that anticipates and surpasses the "pop melody behind wall of noise" approach of the Jesus & Mary Chain and the shoegazer folkses. But I digress, as usual. For more recordings by the super-poppy Who that pretty much ceased to exist once they did TOMMY, see Nashville's own the Shazam, who have two albums and EP that are very much in this style. Their cover of "Revolution #9" is mind-boggling, in that it's exactly what the 1967 Who would have played this 1968 Beatles song. Hans Rotenberry as Dr. Who, bending time and space to make this happen? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:05:57 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows Miles Goosens wrote: > > Unfortunately, the more typical amphitheater seems to be like Nashville's > AmSouth Amphitheater at Starwood, Atlanta's Lakewood, or Chicago's World -- > a pit dug into some suburban hillside, traffic and pedestrian flow that > exacerbates the natural problems created by a crowd of 10,000 to 30,000, > draconian food and beverage restrictions designed to force you to buy the > venue's overpriced and undertasty cuisine, and shoddy sound (an ungodly > hybrid of the ringing effect from the sound bouncing off the seats and > covered portion of the arena ,and the dampening effect of the sound being > absorbed by the ground beyond the seats). yuck. well, that does sound pretty gross. fortuneately, the other amphi's i've been to have been quite nice (pittsburgh and columbus). pittsburgh has an amazing sound system. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:17:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The rest of Andrea's tape > The Rheostatics "The Headless One": why don't I > have anything by these folks? Since the Rheostatics' albums aren't available in Canada, I'd be happy, once again, to locate their albums for any who wants them. My recommendation is to start with INTRODUCING HAPPINESS, which is the one I started with based on Brian's recommendation, and then go from there. Jer Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:18:04 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] worst shows oleander, hands down. i liked that first song they had on the radio. what they played (while we remained there) was nothing like that. it was total moron hair-metal style crap, and the lead singer dude, in his big, black cowboy hat, was having just too preoccupied with yelling a small vocabulary of obscenities and trying to get the crowd to do the same. and anytime a band feels they have to verbally try to hype up a crowd, it's not a good sign. luckily, it was at bumbershoot, so we could leave after 2 1/2 songs and go see something good, without being out any money or much time. motorhead at bumbershoot was pretty horrible, too. left that one after 2 sickeningly earsplitting songs. okay, this probably is the absolute loudest show i've seen, and it was outdoors, but i had my fingers in my ears. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 16:51:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The rest of Andrea's tape On Fri, 4 May 2001, Jer Fairall wrote: > Since the Rheostatics' albums aren't available in > Canada, err? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Zwirn mzwirn01@tufts.edu ICQ #12755821 Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University, Medford MA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:21:04 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: [loud-fans] Michael Quercio, The Truth and my slow slide to senility So, the other day during our discussion of "Favorite Concerts," I talked about two separate events: REM on the 'Reconstruction of the Fables/Fable of the Reconstruction' tour. You may recall that I couldn't remember the opening act. A killer set by "The Truth" opening for Squeeze and the Hooters, in which I claimed that Michael Quercio led them into 'Her Head's Revolving.' I would like to note, before going on, that I have had "Arrive Without Traveling" on heavy rotation on my stereo this week. That being said... The opening act for REM was The Three O'Clock. This was, of course, where MQ launched into "Her Head's Revolving." The Truth was an obscure 80's band (who I managed to see twice, both times with Squeeze) best known for "The Exception of Love," a minor Joboxerish hit. MQ was not, to my knowledge, ever associated with them. Clearly, I am losing my mind. A mere 16 years later, and I am conflating names of bands, nights that they performed, and generally what happened during the set. Sorry for the confusion! R. Kevin Honolulu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:28:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work On Fri, 4 May 2001 bbradley@namesecure.com wrote: > well, i just got a wacom drawing tablet, which rocks, and i made my first > attmept at a comic strip, which sucks. it is absolutely unfunny if you > didn't read the e-mail about the guy humming next to me. but for those of > you who work in cubicle hell, you may appreciate it. in case you didn't see > the email yesterday, here's the basic idea: > > the guy across from me was humming yankee doodle over and over and over > again. > and i know why. > the fax machine is turned all the way up, and the number they always fax to > is the beginnning of the melody line for that song. I think it's pretty good - but it'd be better if the fax machine were a computer displaying one of my zillion posts, and the guy humming "Yankee Doodle" were me, typing yet another one. BWAAH-HAA-HA-HAAA!! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism:: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:34:29 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Michael Quercio, The Truth and my slow slide to senility "R. Kevin Doyle" on 2001/05/04 Fri AM 11:21:04 MDT wrote: > The opening act for REM was The Three O'Clock. This was, of course, where > MQ launched into "Her Head's Revolving." Was he wearing an upside-down cross that night? Me: Smartass. You: Rolling your eyes. Later. --Rog np: Steve Wynn, HERE COME THE MIRACLES - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 15:47:01 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Michael Quercio, The Truth and my slow slide to senility At 11:21 AM 5/4/01 -1000, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: >The Truth was an obscure 80's band (who I managed to see twice, both times >with Squeeze) best known for "The Exception of Love," a minor Joboxerish >hit. MQ was not, to my knowledge, ever associated with them. Oh, I always thought the Truth's demi-hit was "Spread A Little Sunshine," which sounds startlingly like early-Style Council-era Paul Weller, a la "Speak Like A Child" or "Headstart For Happiness." They had two albums, both on IRS (helping explain the Squeeze connection): PLAYGROUND was okay if derivative, WEAPONS OF LOVE was radio-fodder crap. They were led by Dennis Greaves, who had been the singer in the Mod-revivalist soul band Nine Below Zero. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 22:47:04 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Stef=20Hurts?= Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Michael Quercio, The Truth and my slow slide to senility R. Kevin Doyle wrote: > Clearly, I am losing my mind. Ah, just like Liza Minelli once did. Toodlepip, - -Stef Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:18:34 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Michael Quercio, The Truth and my slow slide to senility At 11:21 AM 5/4/01 -1000, R. Kevin Doyle wrote: >>The Truth was an obscure 80's band (who I managed to see twice, both times >>with Squeeze) best known for "The Exception of Love," a minor Joboxerish >>hit. MQ was not, to my knowledge, ever associated with them. >Oh, I always thought the Truth's demi-hit was "Spread A Little Sunshine," >which sounds startlingly like early-Style Council-era Paul Weller, a la >"Speak Like A Child" or "Headstart For Happiness." >They had two albums, both on IRS (helping explain the Squeeze connection): >PLAYGROUND was okay if derivative, WEAPONS OF LOVE was radio-fodder crap. >They were led by Dennis Greaves, who had been the singer in the >Mod-revivalist soul band Nine Below Zero. Mr. Mason, I have underestimated you. *Bows to Stewart's superior knowledge of obscure 80's pop* R. Kevin Honolulu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:23:24 -0700 From: "Andrew Hamlin" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Michael Quercio, The Truth and my slow slide to senility >They had two albums, both on IRS (helping explain the Squeeze connection): >PLAYGROUND was okay if derivative, WEAPONS OF LOVE was radio-fodder crap. >They were led by Dennis Greaves, who had been the singer in the >Mod-revivalist soul band Nine Below Zero. I always thought of Nine Below Zero as R&B rather than soul. But my total exposure to them is one or two radio listenings. Mark Feltham, the band's harmonica player (I remember my confusion as to how a rock band could include "harp") went on to play with Talk Talk--possibly the anti-Nine Below Zero--and later on, Mark Hollis' solo album. No wait, Art In America actually had a harp harp, Andy "We had just settled down to drink whiskey and bet when the night was shattered and ripped by a sudden explosion just in front of the house -- a crashing of metal and fire and wild screams of animals. I ran out on the porch with a shotgun and a huge police spotlight, just in time to be knocked back by another explosion and a wall of flame on the road. Chickens squawked and peacocks screeched in the treetops. It was like a bomb that had been dropped on a jungle. Flaming chickens fell out of the sky and hissed as they died in the snow. ... Then we saw a fiery human figure stagger into my driveway and fall in a heap on the ground. The Sheriff grabbed a fire extinguisher out of his car and quickly doused the burning man with a blast of steaming chemicals. It was Cromwell, my neighbor from up the road. He'd been caught in the blizzard and was desperately trying to drive home on his motorcycle when he was hit in the face by a 20-pound owl that swooped out of the night and almost took his head off -- which caused him to lose control and run his bike off the road and through the wall of a nearby barn that was full of roosters and hay and plastic drums full of gasoline. The explosion was triggered by the sparks of a red-hot cigar butt that he was smoking at the time, and the flimsy tin barn was now a fiery tomb full of shrieking animals. The blast sent 10 or 12 burning guinea hens up in the air like rockets. One was still clinging to Cromwell's back as he fell. Another one dropped with a thud on the hood of my red convertible, where it sizzled and steamed until dawn." - --Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, from http://espn.go.com/page2/s/thompson/010423.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:49:54 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: [loud-fans] best concert? worst concert? coming soon! SPINAL TAP Sunday, June 10, 8PM The Warfield Tickets: $29.50 main floor (open dance floor-limited seating) & $22.50 balcony On Sale Sunday, May 6 at 10AM - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 22:59:47 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] Andrea's swap tape (pt. 1) In a message dated 01-05-03 17:08:05 EDT, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: > Dar Williams "It Happens Everyday": Williams writes a good song, but she > has that somewhat too "nice" voice endemic to folk-based singers. > Fortunately, in her case it has a bit of sand around the edges so as to > irritate that sweater-in-a-Volvo affect. The cheesy synth patch ruins what > would otherwise be a simple arrangement of acoustic guitar, bass, and > minimal percussion - whoever's responsible should start taunting a > gun-wielding Eminem. The song makes me interested, the cheese not. The Green World, where this song is from,has lot's of cheese on it like this, so yes, I agree. This is my favorite from it, just because it's the simplest. > Blake Babies "Nothing Ever Happens": This one doesn't do much for me. > It's not as interesting as the best of Juliana Hatfield's solo material, > partly because it's saddled with run-of-the-mill chords (something > Hatfield usually avoids) and yet another pointless synth, in this case of > the gnat-like analog tweezed variety. But hey - she sings a whole lot > better than she did in the Babies' first go-round. (Nope, I'm not really > signing up for the Anti-Synth Brigade...) I agree, even as I think this is the best BB album. > Morrie Amsterdam - I mean Merrie Amsterburg "Radio": Along with a muted, > plucked guitar backdrop, the chorus features a couple of game, Bacharach > trumpets - nice. The middle eight slows down and adds a nice touch: some > distant, buzzing guitars that fooled me at first into thinking there was a > string section. Pretty AAA, but in a good way. This is one of Merrie's best songs, for all of these things, and nice lyrics. > Joni Mitchell "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio": More praise should be > directed Joni Mitchell's way: she's been highly influential, and she's > never tied herself down to any particular sound, yet her odd streak always > wins out no matter what style she's trying. This early folk-rock number is > enlivened by her inimitable sense of vocal phrasing. Okay, she hasn't done > much interesting for the last fifteen years - but neither has Bob Dylan, > and he still gets to wear the Legend hat - at least when his coroner lets > him outside. I agree, I've always like this because of that. From For The Roses, my favorite Joni album. > Teenage Fanclub "Sparky's Dream": I'm not sure why, but TFC is one of > those bands that I overlook all the time - and then every time I hear one > of their songs, especially one of their better ones like this one, I have > to ask why I keep neglecting them. Dunno... I know what you mean, I was like this with TF too, and then I'd bought this for Jer, and really fell in love with them. Now I wish I'd bought these albums when they were first out. > Cotton Mather "My Before and After": _Kon-Tiki_ is still one of my > favorite ablums of the '90s, and this is one of my favorite songs on that > album, which seems to be generally a Loudfans fave. Still don't understand > why Sharples doesn't care that much for it, though - oh well... I came late to this band, and I wish I hadn't. A gem. > Amy Correia "The Bike": Didn't every song on the radio two years ago have > this same beat - 2/3 Dave Matthews and 1/3 hip-hop? Plus, the same chord > sequence for both verse and chorus, and - wow! - loud guitars and louder, > higher singing to let you know when the chorus has come around! Okay, to > be fair, the bridge is pretty nice - the mysterious discovery of the > Fourth Chord. > This is what hooked me on Correia, just becuase of the lyrics, a bittersweet look at death. I agree about this. > Barenaked Ladies "Go Home": I admit I'm predisposed to dislike this track, > so I pretended it was by someone else, since Barenaked Ladies are > generally intensely annoying - and possessed of nearly the stupidest name > in music. The results? This is okay, really: a jaunty beat led by electric > piano, almost a slightly country feel, nasal vocals which I'm not sure > aren't why I'm thinking "country" at all, a pretty sure-footed pop sense, > and for some reason the glockenspiel accents on the chorus make me think > of _Sesame Street_. Go figure... I never liked them when they were totally cute, then they got serious, and the same thing happened. Then they combined them and wow. This is one of their best songs. > Kirsty MacColl "In These Shoes": Fun little Latinesque coat-tail hanger-on > - witty lyrics, ace florid trumpet solos. As I said, "fun." Yep, fun, and the whole album is like this. > Liz Phair "Headache": I'm assuming 95% of Loudfans know this song - but > I'll take the opportunity to gripe slightly about Ms. Phair. I really wish > she could write more quickly - she's risking a Gabriel-like production > rate (that's Peter, not Jon) without the several big singles to sustain > it, and like Peter, it seems each album is getting weaker in the > songwriting department. (Okay, with Gabriel that started only when he > started giving real titles to his CDs: everything just called "Peter > Gabriel" is just fine - including the not-really-titled "Security") Jason is right about Liz's output, but i hope for an album by the end of the year. Stillt hough I agree with this, and i likethe song. > Sarah Harmer "Weekend State": Nice pun! This is very cool - I like the > insistent rhythm guitar in the right channel, and the low-lying, wah-wah > lead in the other speaker. The middle eight throws in a cello duo (!) - I > too may have to take up Jer Fairall's recommendation here. I agree, one of the best songs off of You Were Here. > Michael Penn "Coal": Andrea writes, "A lost classic from someone who has > many of them." Absolutely - the creative bankruptcy of the music industry > is demonstrated by its inability to make a career out of Penn's > consistently fine albums. C'mon, he's not *that* hard for people to get - > and besides, he's good looking, has famous brothers...geez. I agree. Now that he's married to Aimee Mann, he's getting some attention now, and that is very good. He's Bilboard.com's artist of the day, one day last week. > The Roches "Bobby's Song": "He was in a car crash, he plays the clarinet / > He's trying to stop drinking / but his girlfriend hasn't left him yet"... > Thank you, Andrea, for reminding me of these folks. There's some records > in my attic I've got to get out! I love The Rochies, and this is one of their best songs. Nurds, where this from, is great. > Side two coming later. > > --Jeff Andrea > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::In terms of the conjunctures of cultures, [LA is] less like a salad bowl > ::and more like a TV dinner with those little aluminium barriers keeping > ::all the vegetables in their places. > __Catherine Ann Driscoll__ > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:08:00 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The rest of Andrea's tape In a message dated 01-05-03 19:27:03 EDT, jenor@csd.uwm.edu writes: > The Go-Go's: "Yes or No": Co-written by Jane Wiedlin and the Mael brothers > from Sparks, this song is less frothy than I remember the songs on the > first album as being (this one's from _Talk Show_, the follow-up - or was > that their third album?). A solid song - some arranging ideas mark it as a > product of the mid-eighties, but most wouldn't sound terribly out of place > today. Good stuff. Yes this is from Talk Show, I agree about the 80's, and add thatsome of this sounds ironic today, the line "concentrate on the latest style" has something of a different meaning from when this song was first out in 1984. Third album. This is their best album, but on the basis of Unforgiven, their current single, they may top this album. > Julia Darling "Bulletproof Belief": Jon Brion plays guitar here, and the > arrangement seems to bear his stamp as well (did he produce or arrange, > too?) Nice moody keyboard sound, and Darling's got an appealingly quavery > vocal timbre that works well with the sound. I'm reminded a bit of Sam > Phillips wihtout the twang - another one for me to check out. No Brion didn't produce or arrange this song, but it has his mark anyway. I agree about Julia, and yes this does sound a little like Sam Phillips, although the rest of the album doesn't sound like this song. > Badly Drawn Boy "Bewilderbeast": I almost typed the title "Bewilderbeats," > which would have been an improvement. "Sometimes you don't need words to > say what you mean," says Andrea of this instrumental. Yes...but also true > when you have nothing to say. Ehhh. This is just a nice tune, not so much as what he doesn't say, but the emotions come through here, bewiderment. > Jane Wiedlin "The Good Wife": Another winning Jane Wiedlin song - the > shuddering tremolo guitars after the bridge are particularly cool. Andrea > says the lyrics show Wiedlin being "a little hard on herself" in this song > written in the wake of her divorce - but I read the ostensibly > self-critical lyrics as sarcastic, a riposte to the absurd expectations > that (it would seem) a "good wife" would be all sugar and no spice. Andrea > also notes that if I buy the album, I should check out the photos within, > particularly "her topless photo, and the one where she is sitting on top > of this woman pulling back her hair, both in lacy corsets, with the woman > who is on the bottom the toenail painter. You may think differently about > this song after that." I probably would - if I could focus on the > *song*... Yep this is great, one of the best songs on the album. Twelve string guitar cranked up to ten. Hmmm, I never thought it would be sarcastic, I'll have to listen again. As for the photos, yes they do take your attention away from the music but not for long. > The Rheostatics "The Headless One": Y'know, I used to be afraid of this > song...but I no longer fear "The Headless One." (groan) Fans of quirky pop > a la Anton Barbeau or XTC should like this (despite its not sounding like > either of them), as it's arranged with intense cleverness for a variety of > instruments in addition to the usual rock band, and it navigates some > tricky meter changes with grace (including a very wicked and positively > prog guitar part leading into the chorus). Sicne I have a whole bunch of > records by XTC and by Anton, plus a fair amount of prog rock, why don't I > have anything by these folks? I agree, one of the best things on their album. > Badly Drawn Boy "Fall in a River": I like this one much better than the > other one - it begins with a cool, in-the-distance effect and maintains a > slightly off-center sound even though, compositionally, it's primarily a > "nice folk song" as Andrea says. Ends with Alice floating down the bathtub > drain to Wonderland... I agree, and the album is filled with songs like this > Paul Westerberg "Dyslexic Heart": What proved (to me) to be Paul's last > gasp, this is a nice, clever single built around its titular metaphor. But > the other track on the _Singles_ soundtrack by Westerberg is forgettable > (literally - I can't remember it), _13 Songs_ or whatever even more so - > and then there was that execrable version of "Let's Do It." I've heard > some folks say _Suicaine Gratifaction_ (speaking of dumb-ass names) was a > comeback - but I heard that about _13 Songs_ in relation to the _Singles_ > songs too. I've not cared for Wesiterburg's solo albums either, this is a great big excetion to them. > Jill Sobule "Big Shoes": The second shoe song on this tape. I'm a bit > mystified that Sobule's not more popular here - she writes a catchy tune, > sings clever lyrics, and her songs sport appealing arrangements (this one > topped with piano and horns) - so what gives? I agree. > The Alice Project "Uncle": Jersey band (if I'm remembering Andrea's locale > correctly) - only okay for me, but it boasts an interestingly jazzy piano > solo near the end that's pretty unusual for this sort of folky rock song. They are from Jersey, and I wasn't sure what to expect from them, I'd never heard of them until I met my mom's tennis instructor, who was the lead singer of this band, Alice Leon. I was very impressed, Alice has a great voice, and this is off kilter in a very appealing way. www.aliceproject.com for more info. The whole album is like this. > The Tuesdays "Too Late to Be Good": Andrea says this band of Swedes "sound > a lot like the Bangles." Holy apes, they sure do - when the chorus kicked > in, I kept visualizing Susanna Hoffs (and had to take a cold shower. I'll > be here all week - thank you very much, and have a safe drive home). > Really, though - this is pretty good in a very Bangles-y way, but the > guitar solo is strictly from commercial - that bending the G string to the > same pitch as the B string thing, plus mega-vibrato. Oh well - at least > they didn't hire fellow Swede Yngvie Malmsteen to spray 128th notes all > over everything. I agree, imagine if the Bangles had stayed with the sound of All Over the Place, and then took it to the bank. It would sound like this. > Casey Scott "Paradise Lost": Have you checked by the dashboard light? > Anyway, this sounds like an overlong, live version of this song, which > features witty, rapid-fire lyrics, with one of those > falling-down-the-stairs 6/8 rhythms. Okay - but her vocals are full > enough of annoying tics that I don't think I'd like a whole album of it. That is the one thing about this song, Casey's singing is affected, but it's grown on me. > So a nice collection of songs with several bands I hadn't heard that are > worth checking out. Thanks, Andrea! You're welcome glad you liked the tape. > --Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > ::This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and > ::winds up as a processing unit. > __Soft Boys, note, CAN OF BEES__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:28:25 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review In a message dated 01-05-04 12:07:41 EDT, j_fairall@yahoo.com writes: > Our Andrea Weiss recently sent me a mix tape (entitled > PARADISE LOST & FOUND) in exchange for some > out-of-print Teenage Fanclub stuff I copied for her > and while it has nothing to do with the tape swap, and > therefore I have no real reason to review it on-list, > it is most certainly one of the very best mixes I've > ever received, so why not sing it's praises here? > > Casey Scott: "Paradise Lost & Found," "7th of > November," "Ryan" > "7th of November," which Brian Block already > included for me on a tape a few months back, made me > curious about Casey Scott and Andrea was nice enough > to include a couple more songs here. Brain and Andrea > both claim that she sounds a lot like Patti Smith, > which isn't a *bad* thing but since I never play my > copy of HORSES I don't see why I'd need more of the > same. After hearing these songs, I *do* hear the > resemblance to Smith but I nevertheless like Scott's > work better. "Paradise" is the most Smith-esque tune > of the three--a crazed, angry rant over surging > punk-rock guitar, but "7th of November" is a slow, > quiet spoken word piece and the a cappella "Ryan" is > damn near barbershop. I will be seeking out her > album. She does sound like Smith a lot, and I agree, I like Casey better. I don't know if this is still in print, but if you find it, grab it. > Amy Corriea: "The Bike" > Nice mainstream folk-pop that reminds me > pleasantly (perhaps due to the slight vocal > similarities) to Abra Moore. I liked this song from > the beginning but it has, after repeated listens, > really grown on me and now I'm interested in hearing > more by her. I also hear Liz Phair here, but more folk like. I agree with this. > Suddenly, Tammy!: "Not That Dumb," "Runaway" > Two songs from the band with the weirdest > punctuation in rock, the former from the 1995 album WE > GET THERE WHEN WE DO and the latter from a more recent > EP. I own WGTWWD, but it's one of the most unfairly > neglected albums in my collection, as I don't play it > very often but every time I do I discover once again > what a fine band they are (were?). > > Carole King: "So Far Away" > OK, TAPESTRY has been absent from my collection > long enough. > > Semisonic: "One True Love" > This last group of songs are connected as Beth > Sorrentino (of Suddenly, Tammy!) frequently cites > Carole King as a major influence and King herself does > a guest vocal appearance on this song, from > Semisonic's latest album ALL ABOUT CHEMISTRY. This > was actually the song that cemented my dislike for the > album when I played it at HMV but after hearing it > enough times on this tape I've pretty much stopped > caring about the sappy lyrics and focused my > attention, instead, on the melody. Time to give the > album another shot, maybe? Some of the songs on this tape came from a mix CD that Carolyn Dorsey sent me awhile back, and I'm still going to by the albums on here from that mix. So I thank her again for the great music. Carole King is one great musician, you won't go wrong with any of these songs here, and it's nice to see younger songwriters embracing her. > Icemakers of the Revolution: "Walt," "Where I Stand" > Obscure alterna-folk band with a political edge. > "Where I Stand" kinda drifts by me but no matter > because the epic "Walt," the rare protest song that is > more about the people involved than the political > cause, is my very favorite song on the entire mix. I > just won an Ebay auction for their album, FISHEYE > FRENZY, which looks to be about the only way that one > can get a copy of it. I had no idea this was so rare when Brian sent me a copy, why wasn't this band huge, they are great. I agree with this. > Til Tuesday: "Everything's Different Now" > Classic Aimee Mann is, of course, always welcome > on mix tapes. Agreed! > Merrie Amsterberg: "Radio" "This Will Never Be My > Year" > Two songs from the Swedish (I believe) > singer-songwriter. I haven't really warmed to "This > Will Never Be My Year," yet, but "Radio" is very nice. I perfer Radio myself. > New Pornographers: "Mass Romantic" > This is a little more edgy than I expected from > the reviews I've read, a little like Plumtree crossed > with Mecca Normal. Still, I've heard about three or > four other songs from the album too and it sounds, > overall, like something I really should pick up. I have had lots of trouble getting this album, this is from Carolyn's CD. I love it too, I may take a look for it at CD Now, my local record store is being very slow getting this. > Giant Sand: "Dirty From The Rain" > I have a couple of Giant Sand albums, including > CHORE OF ENCHANTMENT, which this is from and it's one > of the album's more memorable songs. I particularly > like the use of the rain in the background. Yes it is. > Jane Weidlin: "The Good Wife" > I love the Go Go's but I haven't really followed > the girls solo careers all that closely. This, from > her recent solo release, is fine but I'll just wait > for GOD BLESS THE GO GO'S (two more weeks!!). www.janeweidlin.com for more info on how to get this, not available in stores. Unforgiven, the new Go-Go's single is a lot like this song, but fast and harder. Both are winners > Aislers Set: "Christmas Song," "Last Match" > They've been discussed onlist, right? They sound > like about 100 other bands I know (see just about > anyone on Darla, Parasol, etc) but I'm always up for > more. Another one I'll probably get at some point. Looking for them too, hopefully I'll find them, any ideas on where to get them. > The Who: "I Can't Reach You," "Sunrise" > I would've never guessed that these two songs > were the Who unless I read the track listing first. > They sound much more like The Kinks, here, than the > same band that did "Substitute," "Won't Get Fooled > Again" or anything like that. Or maybe that's why the > album was called THE WHO SELL OUT? I agree, early Who were as quirky as the Kinks > Blake Babies: "Nothing Ever Happens," "Out There" > "Nothing Ever Happens," from the new album, which > I own, is a good song even if I would have chosen > something else as a representation ("Disappear," > "Until I Almost Died"). "Out There," from an earlier > album, is absolutely wonderful, though, and probably > my third favorite new-to-me song on the whole tape, > after "Walt" and "So Far Away." Those older Blake > Babies records seem to be pretty hard to come by these > days, though. These songs were emphisis tracks from these albums, and as much as I love Out There, Nothing Ever Happens tops it. > Maestro Subgum: "You're a Dandy," "Bamboo Guru" > The only thing here that I don't like at all. > The self-conscious quirkiness upstages the music, I > think. I like them, but sometimes they sounds little too much like Squrell Nut Zippers for my taste. > Jill Sobule: "Big Shoes" > A rare pop songs about orthopedic footwear from > Jill's new best-of compilation. I don't own any of > Jill's albums, so a best-of may be a welcome thing, > since I've liked a handful of her songs ("Soldiers of > Christ," "Mexican Wrestler") that are all on different > records. I'll look into it. Yes start with the best of, then her others. Happytown her second on, is out of print, but still is around in the used bins. All are good. > Badly Drawn Boy: "Bewilderbeast" > What the Manic Street Preachers' "Tsunami" would > sound like if you took the words and the chorus out. > From THE HOUR OF THE BEWILDERBEAST, a belated best-of > 2000 discovery of mine. Jer's recomedation got me into this album, and I loved it. > The Alice Project: "Uncle" > Another album I should get as I've liked both > this and especially "Travelling With Lady Berlin," > from an earlier mix. With better promotion, they > could easily be "Adult Alternative" (does that format > still exist) radio hits. Yes it does, and around my way, this album is getting airplay on those type of stations. Sounds great on the radio. > Thank you again, Andrea, for such a terrific tape! It > never seems to stay out of my walkman for very long. You're welcome. I'm glad you loved the tape, what a nice surprise to see this reviewed. Thanks! Andrea > Jer > > > ===== > Yahoo! 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