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loud-fans-digest Friday, May 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 065
Today's Subjects:
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Re: [loud-fans] The rest of Andrea's tape ["Phil Gerrard"
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[loud-fans] had absosmurfly enough [MarkWStaples@aol.com]
[loud-fans] smoes and Francis [Miles Goosens ]
[loud-fans] misc. pedantry [dmw ]
Re: [loud-fans] any San Jose people? [Stewart Mason ]
Re: [loud-fans] rock shows ["Phil Gerrard" ]
Re: [loud-fans] rock shows [Miles Goosens ]
[loud-fans] non-swap tape review [Jer Fairall ]
Re: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review [Michael Zwirn ]
Re: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review [Stewart Mason ]
RE: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work [bbradley@name]
Re: [loud-fans] rock shows [jenny grover ]
Re: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work [Roger Winston]
Re: [loud-fans] rock shows [jenny grover ]
[loud-fans] Worst shows ever [Dan Schmidt ]
RE: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work [bbradley@name]
Re: [loud-fans] rock shows [Steve Holtebeck ]
RE: [loud-fans] Worst shows ever ["R. Kevin Doyle" ]
Re: [loud-fans] rock shows [Miles Goosens ]
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:34:37 +0100
From: "Phil Gerrard"
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The rest of Andrea's tape
Jeff wrote:
> Paul Westerberg "Dyslexic Heart": What proved (to me) to be
Paul's
> last gasp, this is a nice, clever single built around its titular
> metaphor. But the other track on the _Singles_ soundtrack by
> Westerberg is forgettable (literally - I can't remember it), _13
> Songs_ or whatever even more so - and then there was that
execrable
> version of "Let's Do It." I've heard some folks say _Suicaine
> Gratifaction_ (speaking of dumb-ass names) was a comeback -
but I
> heard that about _13 Songs_ in relation to the _Singles_ songs
too.
I have fond memories of '14 Songs', 'cause I thought it seemed a
minor return to form after the final two Replacements albums, but
when I say 'fond memories' I mean it's one of those albums that I
own, think I kind of like, but almost never play. I'm struggling to
remember more than about half-a-minute's worth of nice moments
from that record as I type, but nothing's coming...
The Brit music press, having ignored or slammed the
Replacements for most of their existence, naturally decided upon
the release of '14 Songs' that Westerberg was one of the great lost
American songwriters, and hyped the record almost out of
existence. In one interview from that time Westerberg was asked
about the 'Godfather of Grunge' tag, and replied 'Yeah, maybe me,
James Brown, and Iggy should get together': personally, I'd have
left James Brown off the bill so that the shows could have been
billed as the 'Ost meets West' tour -
peace & love
phil
Phil Gerrard
Senior Admissions Officer
The External Programme
University of London
E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk
'Phone: 020 7862 8369
Fax: 020 7862 8363
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:21:49 -0400
From: "Larry Tucker"
Subject: RE: [loud-fans] rock shows
|I also witnessed REM on the 85 Fables tour. Early December, at
|the Reynolds
|High School Auditorium. The Minutemen opened, and I believe D.
|Boon died the
|week after. Seeing them opened some doors in my mind. And
|being 15 feet away
|from REM in those days forever affected my perception of them
|(they were
|just too great), so that all the other times I saw them play
|(in big, cold,
|alien arenas and stadiums) was about as much fun as... well, whatever.
Chris has jarred my neurons into reconnecting with a few more memorable
shows.....
REM with the dB's opening in Page Auditorium at Duke University on that
same Fables tour in '85. From what I recall the dB's, even though they
were just the opening band came back out and did two encores with Peter
Buck joining in. Buck doing his own version of the Townsend windmill. I
also recall their first show out of their home state of Georgia. It was
at the Station in Carrboro, a small train station converted into a bar.
Fifty people would be shoulder-to-shoulder in this place. This would
have been in '81 I believe. I don't think Chronic Town was out yet. They
must have been down the road in W-S at the Drive-In recording it at this
time. From the first time I saw this band you just knew something
magical was in the making. Stipe did the entire show with both hands on
the mic with his head hung down, hair in his face and never looking up
from the floor. He never talked or hardly even acknowledged there was an
audience at all and appeared *painfully* shy.
X at the old Pier in Raleigh in 1982 right after UNDER THE BIG BLACK SUN
came out. Wow, what an intense show that was. Like the Doors on a meth
binge. Ripping relentlessly through songs like "Los Angeles", "Your
Phone's Off the Hook, but You're Not" and "Johnny Hit and Run Pauline".
DJ Bonebrake and Billy Zoom could kick up a hell of a racket. I still
recall Zoom running through all these manic punk/rockabilly riffs
standing nearly motionless with this sweet blissful childlike grin on
his face.
The Fleshtones at The Milestone in Charlotte in 1983. The Milestone was
this old house in a seedy section of town that had all the interior
walls knocked out. Calling it a dive would be a compliment. It must have
been 100 degrees in there that night and Peter Zaremba cooled himself
ala Bob Pollard with beer. It was more of a party than a performance.
The whole band, but particularly Zaremba was plastered by the end of the
night in what he kept referring to as the "roadhouse". Though my
memories are a bit foggy, I'm sure they did "Tobacco Road".
Chris, maybe I'll see you at the Winston-Salem Pop Festival Sunday.
- --Larry
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:08:38 EDT
From: GlenSarvad@aol.com
Subject: [loud-fans] Weakerthans
I picked up the Weakerthans' "Left and Leaving" largely based on glenn's end-of-year recommendation, and have grown to love it. Has anyone seen any interviews or other general press coverage on the band? They seem to have generated a following, but I've seen nothing in print. Thanks in advance.
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:20:31 -0400
From: "Larry Tucker"
Subject: [loud-fans] any San Jose people?
I was over in Durham last week to check out a new record store. It's
been there for a few months, but a friend said I should go see this
store's rather eclectic collection. Any way I went and found something
I've looked for ever since Dan Sallitt turned me on to the Embarrassment
in a loudfans tape swap many months, maybe years, ago. It's called
HEYDEY from 1995 on Bar None Records. It contains 42 songs and I am
digging it! What's the story behind this band?
Now, to the subject. The guy that owns this store, either Ethan or
Nathan, has transplanted his store from San Jose. It went by the same
name there as here, Radio Free Records. Anybody familiar with his old
store? He really does have a cool collection of things. A lot of hard to
find stuff on CD and vinyl. He has also has a nice garage rock section.
- --Larry
n.p.~~ The Anderson Council, COLOURSOUND
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:32:26 -0400
From: Richard Gagnon
Subject: [loud-fans] Dogs from Milan
>Jeffrey wonders about:
> > + Le paysage avait la milancolie des choses inachevies ;
It really doesn't help that the acccents seem to vanish (or turn into
other letters) when written French ventures into the English world.
>My French is really bad - but does this not say "Dogs from Milan have
>pizzas with those anchovy things?"
Hehe. Close. It says: "The landscape had the melancoly of unfinished things"
> > **** Marcel Brion, "Les escales de la Haute Nuit" ****
>
>Hot Nuts for Sale?!? (Any relation to Jon?)
>
Very close.;) "Ports of Call of the High Night". Brion, most likely
unrelated to Jon, was a noted scholar who's remembered mostly for his
biographies of musicians and painters and rulers...I noticed there's
a Ghengis Khan available in English. "Escales" is, however, fiction,
and a damn fine book of weird tales. Sadly, I think, it's the only
one of that kind he wrote.
Rick
np: In the Wake of Poseidon, King Crimson
- --
+ Le paysage avait la milancolie des choses inachevies ;
**** Marcel Brion, "Les escales de la Haute Nuit" ****
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:33:27 EDT
From: MarkWStaples@aol.com
Subject: [loud-fans] had absosmurfly enough
No, sorry, I don't care about what Madonna's new douche smells like, or
anything else AOL has a vested interest in. I just CANNOT pay for their
service anymore. If I wanted all this promotional crap I could go with a
much cheaper service, and maybe my e-mails wouldn't be so screwy when they
post as well. I'll resubscribe once I get everything straightened out.
Later...
- -Mark
np Fonda THE STRANGE AND THE FAMILIAR
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:40:35 -0500
From: Miles Goosens
Subject: [loud-fans] smoes and Francis
At 09:55 PM 5/3/2001 -0400, jenny grover wrote:
>Dana L Paoli wrote:
>>
>> Munge the smoes!
>
>we need t-shirts that say this.
I keep hearing Mark E. Smith saying, to the tune of "Big New Prinz," "Munge
the smoes, munge the smoes, munge the smoes."
Best wishes to Francis on all his endeavors -- military, moving, familial,
musical, and whatnot!
later,
Miles
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:53:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey
Subject: [loud-fans] tech consortium called once more into order (ns)
Okay, I'm thinking of buying a CD burner...and realize, looking around,
that there are a trizillion options that I'm unclear about. I'll start
with one: looking at the CNet site, it allows me to filter my searches for
removable media drives by several properties, including interface type:
USB, IDE/EDIE, IEEE 1394 FireWire, PC Card, parallel, and SCSI. I have a
moderate-sized machine (I'm at work & can't remember the exact specs)
running Win98 from about 1.5 - 2 years ago: can anyone tell me what the
advantages/disadvantages/impossibilities of the various interface options
are? (Reading around, it seems USB offers less speed, for example)
Thanks in advance for any advice you have to offer - offlist if you think
no one else cares.
- --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey
J e f f r e y N o r m a n
The Architectural Dance Society
www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html
::I'M ONLY AS LARGE AS AN ANT AND I'M HIDING INSIDE YOUR CAR::
__cryptic placemat phrase, Madison WI, 1986__
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:06:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows
On Fri, 4 May 2001, Chris Murtland wrote:
> I also witnessed REM on the 85 Fables tour. Early December, at the Reynolds
> High School Auditorium. The Minutemen opened, and I believe D. Boon died the
Oh yes: can't forget the Minutemen. I saw them on what may well have been
the same tour - it was hard to believe how much such a large man as D.
Boon could move around. I ended up chatting with Mike Watt in the bar in
the venue's basement - nice guy.
And R.E.M. put on some transcendent shows as well - I have a tape of one
of them (May 10, 1985 - evidently May 10 is a good concert date for
me...would be even better if it weren't unfortunately impossible for me to
see Television in Chicago that night next week). I think I saw them four
times, the last show being the first time they were playing arenas - must
have been the _Document_ tour (?). Even though they did a good job of
making arena shows work, it was that show that made me prety much swear
off arean shows: I remember seeing all the happy loving couples (to quote
Joe Jackson) swaying lovingly to "The One I Love" and thinking, "geez,
you're a bunch of idiots: are you listening at all?" At the other extreme
of their popularity, I missed their go-round through Madison, at
Headliners, right around the time _Murmur_ came out - i remember I'd been
hearing great things about them, I think I had _Chronic Town_ already, but
for whatever reasons I didn't/couldn't go.
- --Jeff
J e f f r e y N o r m a n
The Architectural Dance Society
www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html
::PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it.
::I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal!
__"raus"__
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:20:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: dmw
Subject: [loud-fans] misc. pedantry
dumptruck:
if for some reaon you have a devout hatred of kirk swan, you might want to
know that it's not really a half and half kirk swan/kevin salem split on
the dumptruck live disc; it's more 2/3 the former and 1/3 the later. i
give it a thumbs up, although the new disc doesn't grab me quite as hard
as _terminal_ did last year (or was it '99? the last studio record
anyway). and if you love dumptruck and the feelies give log's _auto fire
life_ a go, just trust me.
westerberg: i'm in the camp that sez _14 songs_ (_13 songs_ is fugazi,
since i'm being all pedantic -- i was slammed for confusing the two myself
not long past) was mediocre (and so was _all shook down_), _eventually_
had virtually no redeeming qualities (a couple of the songs might be okay,
but the production is so horrid -- lifeless horrid -- that it's very hard
to tell) and _suicaine gratification_ was somewhat better, but if it had
been a debut, no one would have been terribly impressed. at least i can
listen to it through without wincing. but the real point is to say,
again, seek out the two l'il eps he released as "grandpaboy" ("i want my
money back," and, erm, the other one) which sound more like _let it
be_/_hootenany_ era 'mats than anything else.)
- -- d.
p.s. you people with perfect pitch? i hate you, all of you. well, no i
don't, acutally. but i am sooooooooooooooooo jealous.
np miles davis _seven steps to heaven_
- - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos
- - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing
- - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews
- - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:26:33 -0600
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] any San Jose people?
At 10:20 AM 5/4/01 -0400, Larry Tucker wrote:
>I was over in Durham last week to check out a new record store. It's
>been there for a few months, but a friend said I should go see this
>store's rather eclectic collection. Any way I went and found something
>I've looked for ever since Dan Sallitt turned me on to the Embarrassment
>in a loudfans tape swap many months, maybe years, ago. It's called
>HEYDEY from 1995 on Bar None Records. It contains 42 songs and I am
>digging it! What's the story behind this band?
The Embarrassment were from Lawrence, KS, a college town that had a minor
Athens/Hoboken-style eruption of kinda artsy guitar bands in the
early-to-mid '80s. (Get Smart! and the Mortal Micronautz were two other
good Lawrence bands.) They were only mildly popular during their original
lifespan, but they're one of those bands whose legends grew after they
broke up. Singer Bill Goffrier and I think another one of the guys moved
to Boston and formed Big Dipper in the latter half of the '80s, and then
there was a rather short-lived Embarrassment reunion in the '90s.
BLISTER POP, an "authorized bootleg" of live Embos tracks and demos, just
came out last month. I haven't heard it.
S
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:23:33 +0100
From: "Phil Gerrard"
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows
Jeff wrote re REM:
> I remember seeing all the
> happy loving couples (to quote Joe Jackson) swaying lovingly to "The
> One I Love" and thinking, "geez, you're a bunch of idiots: are you
> listening at all?"
Yeah, this I *never* got. Even if you're not listening that closely to
the words, surely the music alone - which is similar to 'Driver 8',
only slower and even doomier - would give you pause for thought.
Who on earth would write an upbeat love song in E Minor anyway?
(I'm sure that last question would be rhetorical anywhere else but
on loud-fans...)
peace & love
phil
Phil Gerrard
Senior Admissions Officer
The External Programme
University of London
E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk
'Phone: 020 7862 8369
Fax: 020 7862 8363
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:40:21 -0500
From: Miles Goosens
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows
Jeffrey said:
>Oh yes: can't forget the Minutemen. I saw them on what may well have been
>the same tour - it was hard to believe how much such a large man as D.
>Boon could move around. I ended up chatting with Mike Watt in the bar in
>the venue's basement - nice guy.
The Minutemen opened the '85 Radford VA show that Dan Stillwell and I saw
- -- 45 minutes of absolutely sizzling, incredibly intense stuff. I'm so
glad I got to see them.
>see Television in Chicago that night next week). I think I saw them four
>times, the last show being the first time they were playing arenas - must
>have been the _Document_ tour (?).
The answer to this might depend on your definition of "arena," but the
DOCUMENT shows I remember were all at theatre-type venues of 500 to
2000. Remember the tour was booked before "The One I Love" became their
first top 20 single, so even with the small FM splash of "Superman" and
ruling college radio, they were pretty far from being able to fill arenas
October 1987. I'd say the first "arena tour" was the GREEN tour in 1989.
>Even though they did a good job of
>making arena shows work, it was that show that made me prety much swear
>off arean shows: I remember seeing all the happy loving couples (to quote
>Joe Jackson) swaying lovingly to "The One I Love" and thinking, "geez,
>you're a bunch of idiots: are you listening at all?"
The mid to late '80s seemed to serve up quite a few hit singles ("Every
Breath You Take," "The One I Love," "Under the Milky Way") that lots of
dullards took to be sweet, tender odes of Care Bear passion. I still
shudder when I think about the gaggle of super-talky girls at the Church
show in September '88 -- they talked all the way through Tom Verlaine's
acoustic opening set, actually drowning out the sound from the PA, then
they talked all the way through the Church's (thankfully) much louder
set. The only time they stopped yammering was during "Under the Milky
Way," and even then they sang the chorus in a loud and utterly tuneless
manner. It didn't matter to them in the least that onstage, right in front
of their eyes and ears, Steve Kilbey was spitting out the chorus in a way
that made the song's sinister side unmistakable...
If the band's still playing well, the idiots are just an inconvenience for
me, not a deterrent. I've seen REM in its arena guise four times. The
first two (Murfreesboro, TN, March '89; Nashville, Sept. '95) had their
moments but suffered from poor sound and, as far as I'll allow the
"hits-only idiots" factor to play into the mix, a disconnect between band
and audience on the non-hit material that seemed to sap REM's energy and
sabotage any momentum that the show might have built. However, the other
two shows were superb -- the Knoxville show in Nov. '95 was the best one
I've ever seen them do, and the Cleveland show in August '99 was sharp and
fun. I'm very glad I didn't let the mediocrity of the first two shows keep
me from seeing the latter two.
later,
Miles
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jer Fairall
Subject: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review
Hey Loud fans!
Our Andrea Weiss recently sent me a mix tape (entitled
PARADISE LOST & FOUND) in exchange for some
out-of-print Teenage Fanclub stuff I copied for her
and while it has nothing to do with the tape swap, and
therefore I have no real reason to review it on-list,
it is most certainly one of the very best mixes I've
ever received, so why not sing it's praises here?
Casey Scott: "Paradise Lost & Found," "7th of
November," "Ryan"
"7th of November," which Brian Block already
included for me on a tape a few months back, made me
curious about Casey Scott and Andrea was nice enough
to include a couple more songs here. Brain and Andrea
both claim that she sounds a lot like Patti Smith,
which isn't a *bad* thing but since I never play my
copy of HORSES I don't see why I'd need more of the
same. After hearing these songs, I *do* hear the
resemblance to Smith but I nevertheless like Scott's
work better. "Paradise" is the most Smith-esque tune
of the three--a crazed, angry rant over surging
punk-rock guitar, but "7th of November" is a slow,
quiet spoken word piece and the a cappella "Ryan" is
damn near barbershop. I will be seeking out her
album.
Amy Corriea: "The Bike"
Nice mainstream folk-pop that reminds me
pleasantly (perhaps due to the slight vocal
similarities) to Abra Moore. I liked this song from
the beginning but it has, after repeated listens,
really grown on me and now I'm interested in hearing
more by her.
Suddenly, Tammy!: "Not That Dumb," "Runaway"
Two songs from the band with the weirdest
punctuation in rock, the former from the 1995 album WE
GET THERE WHEN WE DO and the latter from a more recent
EP. I own WGTWWD, but it's one of the most unfairly
neglected albums in my collection, as I don't play it
very often but every time I do I discover once again
what a fine band they are (were?).
Carole King: "So Far Away"
OK, TAPESTRY has been absent from my collection
long enough.
Semisonic: "One True Love"
This last group of songs are connected as Beth
Sorrentino (of Suddenly, Tammy!) frequently cites
Carole King as a major influence and King herself does
a guest vocal appearance on this song, from
Semisonic's latest album ALL ABOUT CHEMISTRY. This
was actually the song that cemented my dislike for the
album when I played it at HMV but after hearing it
enough times on this tape I've pretty much stopped
caring about the sappy lyrics and focused my
attention, instead, on the melody. Time to give the
album another shot, maybe?
Icemakers of the Revolution: "Walt," "Where I Stand"
Obscure alterna-folk band with a political edge.
"Where I Stand" kinda drifts by me but no matter
because the epic "Walt," the rare protest song that is
more about the people involved than the political
cause, is my very favorite song on the entire mix. I
just won an Ebay auction for their album, FISHEYE
FRENZY, which looks to be about the only way that one
can get a copy of it.
Til Tuesday: "Everything's Different Now"
Classic Aimee Mann is, of course, always welcome
on mix tapes.
Merrie Amsterberg: "Radio" "This Will Never Be My
Year"
Two songs from the Swedish (I believe)
singer-songwriter. I haven't really warmed to "This
Will Never Be My Year," yet, but "Radio" is very nice.
New Pornographers: "Mass Romantic"
This is a little more edgy than I expected from
the reviews I've read, a little like Plumtree crossed
with Mecca Normal. Still, I've heard about three or
four other songs from the album too and it sounds,
overall, like something I really should pick up.
Giant Sand: "Dirty From The Rain"
I have a couple of Giant Sand albums, including
CHORE OF ENCHANTMENT, which this is from and it's one
of the album's more memorable songs. I particularly
like the use of the rain in the background.
Jane Weidlin: "The Good Wife"
I love the Go Go's but I haven't really followed
the girls solo careers all that closely. This, from
her recent solo release, is fine but I'll just wait
for GOD BLESS THE GO GO'S (two more weeks!!).
Aislers Set: "Christmas Song," "Last Match"
They've been discussed onlist, right? They sound
like about 100 other bands I know (see just about
anyone on Darla, Parasol, etc) but I'm always up for
more. Another one I'll probably get at some point.
The Who: "I Can't Reach You," "Sunrise"
I would've never guessed that these two songs
were the Who unless I read the track listing first.
They sound much more like The Kinks, here, than the
same band that did "Substitute," "Won't Get Fooled
Again" or anything like that. Or maybe that's why the
album was called THE WHO SELL OUT?
Blake Babies: "Nothing Ever Happens," "Out There"
"Nothing Ever Happens," from the new album, which
I own, is a good song even if I would have chosen
something else as a representation ("Disappear,"
"Until I Almost Died"). "Out There," from an earlier
album, is absolutely wonderful, though, and probably
my third favorite new-to-me song on the whole tape,
after "Walt" and "So Far Away." Those older Blake
Babies records seem to be pretty hard to come by these
days, though.
Maestro Subgum: "You're a Dandy," "Bamboo Guru"
The only thing here that I don't like at all.
The self-conscious quirkiness upstages the music, I
think.
Jill Sobule: "Big Shoes"
A rare pop songs about orthopedic footwear from
Jill's new best-of compilation. I don't own any of
Jill's albums, so a best-of may be a welcome thing,
since I've liked a handful of her songs ("Soldiers of
Christ," "Mexican Wrestler") that are all on different
records. I'll look into it.
Badly Drawn Boy: "Bewilderbeast"
What the Manic Street Preachers' "Tsunami" would
sound like if you took the words and the chorus out.
From THE HOUR OF THE BEWILDERBEAST, a belated best-of
2000 discovery of mine.
The Alice Project: "Uncle"
Another album I should get as I've liked both
this and especially "Travelling With Lady Berlin,"
from an earlier mix. With better promotion, they
could easily be "Adult Alternative" (does that format
still exist) radio hits.
Thank you again, Andrea, for such a terrific tape! It
never seems to stay out of my walkman for very long.
Jer
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:09:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Zwirn
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review
On Fri, 4 May 2001, Jer Fairall wrote:
> Merrie Amsterberg: "Radio" "This Will Never Be My
> Year"
> Two songs from the Swedish (I believe)
> singer-songwriter. I haven't really warmed to "This
> Will Never Be My Year," yet, but "Radio" is very nice.
Only if "Swedish" is an alternate spelling for "Boston", but she is
nice.
> Aislers Set: "Christmas Song," "Last Match"
> They've been discussed onlist, right? They sound
> like about 100 other bands I know (see just about
> anyone on Darla, Parasol, etc) but I'm always up for
> more. Another one I'll probably get at some point.
They sounded so retro-twee when I took a listen to this record that I
just figured I should go back to my Talulah Gosh and Heavenly CDs. But
I kinda liked it.
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Michael Zwirn mzwirn01@tufts.edu ICQ #12755821
Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University, Medford MA
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:18:37 -0600
From: Stewart Mason
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review
At 12:09 PM 5/4/01 -0400, Michael Zwirn wrote:
>> Aislers Set: "Christmas Song," "Last Match"
>> They've been discussed onlist, right? They sound
>> like about 100 other bands I know (see just about
>> anyone on Darla, Parasol, etc) but I'm always up for
>> more. Another one I'll probably get at some point.
>
>They sounded so retro-twee when I took a listen to this record that I
>just figured I should go back to my Talulah Gosh and Heavenly CDs. But
>I kinda liked it.
The Aislers Set are basically a new incarnation of an older band,
originally from Albuquerque, called Henry's Dress. The Henry's Dress
records are considerably noisier, but just as poppy. They're kind of hard
to find these days, though.
AS/HD leader Amy Linton was also in Go Sailor.
Stewart
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:35:55 -0700
From: bbradley@namesecure.com
Subject: RE: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work
well, i just got a wacom drawing tablet, which rocks, and i made my first
attmept at a comic strip, which sucks. it is absolutely unfunny if you
didn't read the e-mail about the guy humming next to me. but for those of
you who work in cubicle hell, you may appreciate it. in case you didn't see
the email yesterday, here's the basic idea:
the guy across from me was humming yankee doodle over and over and over
again.
and i know why.
the fax machine is turned all the way up, and the number they always fax to
is the beginnning of the melody line for that song.
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 13:41:32 -0400
From: jenny grover
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows
Larry Tucker wrote:
>
> The Fleshtones at The Milestone in Charlotte in 1983.
the more i read these concert stories, the more things i remember about
shows i saw. the fleshtones put on a great show! when i saw them, they
came out into the audience during the encore, banging on trash cans like
drums. it really was like a huge drunken party.
one thing i remember about seeing let's active twice, about a year
apart, i think, was that mitch was wearing the same paisley shirt for
both shows. they also gave away door prizes at the first one, and i won
a blue ballpoint pen that says 'i'm living on a blue line' down the side
of it.
the loudest show i ever saw was husker du (saw them twice, too, but i
think the first show was louder). my ears rang for 3 days after that,
and even soundgarden only made them ring for two. the fall were pretty
damn interesting live. i saw them twice, too. the bongos were a lot of
fun, and so were volcano suns. the first time i saw violent femmes, the
bass player (can't think of his name right now) wore priest robes and
blew a conk shell! i miss having opportunities like that. nothing of
note happens here in the way of shows. everything has to be a planned,
expensive road trip.
Jen
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:43:45 -0600
From: Roger Winston
Subject: Re: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work
bbradley@namesecure.com on 2001/05/04 Fri AM 10:35:55 MDT wrote:
> well, i just got a wacom drawing tablet, which rocks, and i made my first
> attmept at a comic strip, which sucks. it is absolutely unfunny if you
> didn't read the e-mail about the guy humming next to me. but for those of
> you who work in cubicle hell, you may appreciate it.
Did you post the strip somewhere so we can look at it?
Later. --Rog (who frequently whistles at work, much to the consternation of his co-workers, one of whom cannot whistle at all)
- -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 13:52:52 -0400
From: jenny grover
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows
Miles Goosens wrote:
>
> and the Cleveland show in August '99 was sharp and
> fun.
i was at that show, too :) if i have to see someone in a huge venue,
i'd just as soon it was outdoors. i enjoy amphitheatres much more than
enclosed arenas. there's less of a sterile, utilitarian feel about
them, and the introduction of sunsets, night breezes, and even rain into
the situation gives it a color and organic connectedness you just can't
get indoors.
Jen
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Date: 04 May 2001 13:59:55 -0400
From: Dan Schmidt
Subject: [loud-fans] Worst shows ever
Let's not forget the flip side!
For me, it was a James Taylor show at Great Woods (an outdoor
amphitheater) in high school. I'm not really a fan in the first
place, but a lot of friends were going. We had uncovered lawn
'seats', and it was pouring cold rain for the whole show. One of the
more miserable few-hour experiences I've had.
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:18:16 -0700
From: bbradley@namesecure.com
Subject: RE: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work
http://members.aol.com/lroverlass/mic.gif
sorry
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web designer, web ops
http://namesecure.com
IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS
tel: 925.609.1101 x206
fax: 925.609.1112
"The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is
growing."
Cole's Axiom
http://startrekonice.com
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From: Roger Winston [mailto:rwinston@tde.com]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:44 AM
To: cutting the pipe of floating devil above your head
Subject: Re: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work
Sensitivity: Confidential
bbradley@namesecure.com on 2001/05/04 Fri AM 10:35:55 MDT wrote:
> well, i just got a wacom drawing tablet, which rocks, and i made my first
> attmept at a comic strip, which sucks. it is absolutely unfunny if you
> didn't read the e-mail about the guy humming next to me. but for those of
> you who work in cubicle hell, you may appreciate it.
Did you post the strip somewhere so we can look at it?
Later. --Rog (who frequently whistles at work, much to the consternation
of his co-workers, one of whom cannot whistle at all)
- -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:13:00 -0700
From: Steve Holtebeck
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows
Miles Goosens wrote:
> The answer to this might depend on your definition of "arena," but
> the DOCUMENT shows I remember were all at theatre-type venues of
> 500 to 2000. Remember the tour was booked before "The One I Love"
> became their first top 20 single, so even with the small FM splash
> of "Superman" and ruling college radio, they were pretty far from
> being able to fill arenas October 1987. I'd say the first "arena
> tour" was the GREEN tour in 1989.
In the Bay Area, R.E.M. played the Coliseum arena (where the Warriors
attempt to play) on both the LIFES RICH PAGEANT and GREEN tours, and
didn't fill it, but came close. And there weren't any good
theater-sized venues in the SF Bay Area then, and still really aren't.
The last few R.E.M. shows I've have all been at Shoreline in Mountain
View, and I'd love to see them somewhere else (maybe after their
popularity wanes a little more?)
Regarding Westerberg: I think there are lots of good songs on his
three solo albums, and it just takes time for them to sink in. I like
both the SINGLES songs (the other one is "Waiting For Somebody"), a few
songs off 14 SONGS ("Things"), and have grown much more fond of
EVENTUALLY with repeated listens, especially the final song, "Time Flies
Tomorrow", which captures the Nick Drake sound more convincingly than
future imitators could ever hope to, but sounding like Drake was a lot
less cool five years ago than it is now.
Also, the PW solo show I saw on the EVENTUALLY tour was one of the best
shows I've seen in recent memory. Paul's band (with Tommy Keene on
guitar) was amazingly "on" that night. They encored with three songs
from SORRY MA.. ("Customer", "I'm In Trouble", and "Otto"), and
played a bunch of other prehistoric 'mats favorites throughout the
evening, much to the joy of the audience, and Mr. Westerberg too.
The greatest Replacements show I ever saw was late 1989 at the Country
Club in Reseda, a crummy little heavy metal club in the San Fernando
Valley. They were in the middle of their disastrous tour opening for
Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, and this was a spur of the moment gig
after their 35 minute opening set for TP at the Universal Amphitheater
or wherever. You could tell that they were on the verge of breaking up,
and poured their frustration into that set. For some reason, they
played a lot of Petty songs that night, including "Free Fallin'" twice!
(maybe cuz they were playing in Reseda?)
Other memorable shows I can still remember..
R.E.M./Let's Active -- Crest Theatre, Sacramento, June 1983
This was right when Murmur was starting to break, and they sounded like
music from another planet than the one I was on. As an on-topic side
note, this show was apparently the first time that Scott met Mitch, and
my attendance at that show is the biggest reason I'm on this list now..
Bob Mould/The Pixies -- SJSU student union, 1989. Bob Mould had Anton
Fier on drums and Chris Stamey on guitar, and they were amazing! They
didn't do any Husker songs, mostly songs from his first solo record and
a couple of covers ("Cinnamon Girl" and "Shoot Out The Lights"), and
to me, it made up with never seeing Husker Du live. Mould completely
blew the Pixies off the stage that night. I was really looking forward
to seeing them, but apparently they felt they were above playing student
unions, because they were awful that night.
Yo La Tengo/My Bloody Valentine -- Kennel Club, SF, 1991. The first
time I ever saw YLT live, right after James joined and right before
MAY I SING. came out. I was expecting FAKEBOOK style wistful pop stuff
from them, and got a barrage of joyful noise and feedback. I was so
blown away by YLT that I bailed after three songs by MBV, which hurts my
hip credibility even more than saying bad things about the Pixies, but
it was after midnight on a school night, and my ears (without earplugs)
were in pain.
The Loud Family -- SF homecoming shows, 1996 and 1998. I've heard lots
of people, even folks on this list, say that the LF were a great studio
band but really weren't that great as a live band, to which I'd say
"B.S.", because I saw too many shows, including these two, that were
tight and amazing and really "on". Talking about Scott on loud-fans
these days is a little like talking to the wall, but I'm really looking
forward to the upcoming LF live album taken from these two great shows.
The Soft Boys -- Fillmore, SF, April 2001.. This show was just last
month, so it's still fresh in my mind, and in terms of excitement and
pure joy, I think it'll go down as one of the best shows I've ever seen.
Steve
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Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:23:36 -1000
From: "R. Kevin Doyle"
Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Worst shows ever
I blush to confess this but...
Deep Purple with Girlschool opening. Richie Blackmore spent the whole show
playing with his back to the audience so that nobody could steal his
technique, I suppose. In addition, both bands were so loud that melody, and
even a sense that they were playing different notes, was completely
eradicated. Girlschool has got to be among the worst 80's metal outfits...
I go back to pop!
R. Kevin
Honolulu
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From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org]On
Behalf Of Dan Schmidt
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:00 AM
To: loud-fans@smoe.org
Subject: [loud-fans] Worst shows ever
Let's not forget the flip side!
For me, it was a James Taylor show at Great Woods (an outdoor
amphitheater) in high school. I'm not really a fan in the first
place, but a lot of friends were going. We had uncovered lawn
'seats', and it was pouring cold rain for the whole show. One of the
more miserable few-hour experiences I've had.
- --
http://www.dfan.org
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Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 13:25:51 -0500
From: Miles Goosens
Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows
At 01:52 PM 5/4/2001 -0400, jenny grover wrote:
>Miles Goosens wrote:
>>
>> and the Cleveland show in August '99 was sharp and
>> fun.
>
>i was at that show, too :) if i have to see someone in a huge venue,
>i'd just as soon it was outdoors. i enjoy amphitheatres much more than
>enclosed arenas. there's less of a sterile, utilitarian feel about
>them, and the introduction of sunsets, night breezes, and even rain into
>the situation gives it a color and organic connectedness you just can't
>get indoors.
If every outdoor show was at a venue as fine as Blossom, with its park-like
setting, nice acoustics, liberal food and beverage policy, superlative
traffic flow, and all-around laid-back atmosphere, I'd agree. And at that
REM show, it was nice of the venue to hold back the rainstorm until *just*
the perfect moment of "It's the End of the World." :-)
Unfortunately, the more typical amphitheater seems to be like Nashville's
AmSouth Amphitheater at Starwood, Atlanta's Lakewood, or Chicago's World --
a pit dug into some suburban hillside, traffic and pedestrian flow that
exacerbates the natural problems created by a crowd of 10,000 to 30,000,
draconian food and beverage restrictions designed to force you to buy the
venue's overpriced and undertasty cuisine, and shoddy sound (an ungodly
hybrid of the ringing effect from the sound bouncing off the seats and
covered portion of the arena ,and the dampening effect of the sound being
absorbed by the ground beyond the seats). Indoors isn't necessarily
better, but it usually is.
later,
Miles
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