From: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org (loud-fans-digest) To: loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Subject: loud-fans-digest V1 #65 Reply-To: loud-fans@smoe.org Sender: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-loud-fans-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk loud-fans-digest Friday, May 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [loud-fans] The rest of Andrea's tape ["Phil Gerrard" ] [loud-fans] had absosmurfly enough [MarkWStaples@aol.com] [loud-fans] smoes and Francis [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] misc. pedantry [dmw ] Re: [loud-fans] any San Jose people? [Stewart Mason ] Re: [loud-fans] rock shows ["Phil Gerrard" ] Re: [loud-fans] rock shows [Miles Goosens ] [loud-fans] non-swap tape review [Jer Fairall ] Re: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review [Michael Zwirn ] Re: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review [Stewart Mason ] RE: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work [bbradley@name] Re: [loud-fans] rock shows [jenny grover ] Re: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work [Roger Winston] Re: [loud-fans] rock shows [jenny grover ] [loud-fans] Worst shows ever [Dan Schmidt ] RE: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work [bbradley@name] Re: [loud-fans] rock shows [Steve Holtebeck ] RE: [loud-fans] Worst shows ever ["R. Kevin Doyle" ] Re: [loud-fans] rock shows [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:34:37 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] The rest of Andrea's tape Jeff wrote: > Paul Westerberg "Dyslexic Heart": What proved (to me) to be Paul's > last gasp, this is a nice, clever single built around its titular > metaphor. But the other track on the _Singles_ soundtrack by > Westerberg is forgettable (literally - I can't remember it), _13 > Songs_ or whatever even more so - and then there was that execrable > version of "Let's Do It." I've heard some folks say _Suicaine > Gratifaction_ (speaking of dumb-ass names) was a comeback - but I > heard that about _13 Songs_ in relation to the _Singles_ songs too. I have fond memories of '14 Songs', 'cause I thought it seemed a minor return to form after the final two Replacements albums, but when I say 'fond memories' I mean it's one of those albums that I own, think I kind of like, but almost never play. I'm struggling to remember more than about half-a-minute's worth of nice moments from that record as I type, but nothing's coming... The Brit music press, having ignored or slammed the Replacements for most of their existence, naturally decided upon the release of '14 Songs' that Westerberg was one of the great lost American songwriters, and hyped the record almost out of existence. In one interview from that time Westerberg was asked about the 'Godfather of Grunge' tag, and replied 'Yeah, maybe me, James Brown, and Iggy should get together': personally, I'd have left James Brown off the bill so that the shows could have been billed as the 'Ost meets West' tour - peace & love phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:21:49 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] rock shows |I also witnessed REM on the 85 Fables tour. Early December, at |the Reynolds |High School Auditorium. The Minutemen opened, and I believe D. |Boon died the |week after. Seeing them opened some doors in my mind. And |being 15 feet away |from REM in those days forever affected my perception of them |(they were |just too great), so that all the other times I saw them play |(in big, cold, |alien arenas and stadiums) was about as much fun as... well, whatever. Chris has jarred my neurons into reconnecting with a few more memorable shows..... REM with the dB's opening in Page Auditorium at Duke University on that same Fables tour in '85. From what I recall the dB's, even though they were just the opening band came back out and did two encores with Peter Buck joining in. Buck doing his own version of the Townsend windmill. I also recall their first show out of their home state of Georgia. It was at the Station in Carrboro, a small train station converted into a bar. Fifty people would be shoulder-to-shoulder in this place. This would have been in '81 I believe. I don't think Chronic Town was out yet. They must have been down the road in W-S at the Drive-In recording it at this time. From the first time I saw this band you just knew something magical was in the making. Stipe did the entire show with both hands on the mic with his head hung down, hair in his face and never looking up from the floor. He never talked or hardly even acknowledged there was an audience at all and appeared *painfully* shy. X at the old Pier in Raleigh in 1982 right after UNDER THE BIG BLACK SUN came out. Wow, what an intense show that was. Like the Doors on a meth binge. Ripping relentlessly through songs like "Los Angeles", "Your Phone's Off the Hook, but You're Not" and "Johnny Hit and Run Pauline". DJ Bonebrake and Billy Zoom could kick up a hell of a racket. I still recall Zoom running through all these manic punk/rockabilly riffs standing nearly motionless with this sweet blissful childlike grin on his face. The Fleshtones at The Milestone in Charlotte in 1983. The Milestone was this old house in a seedy section of town that had all the interior walls knocked out. Calling it a dive would be a compliment. It must have been 100 degrees in there that night and Peter Zaremba cooled himself ala Bob Pollard with beer. It was more of a party than a performance. The whole band, but particularly Zaremba was plastered by the end of the night in what he kept referring to as the "roadhouse". Though my memories are a bit foggy, I'm sure they did "Tobacco Road". Chris, maybe I'll see you at the Winston-Salem Pop Festival Sunday. - --Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:08:38 EDT From: GlenSarvad@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] Weakerthans I picked up the Weakerthans' "Left and Leaving" largely based on glenn's end-of-year recommendation, and have grown to love it. Has anyone seen any interviews or other general press coverage on the band? They seem to have generated a following, but I've seen nothing in print. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:20:31 -0400 From: "Larry Tucker" Subject: [loud-fans] any San Jose people? I was over in Durham last week to check out a new record store. It's been there for a few months, but a friend said I should go see this store's rather eclectic collection. Any way I went and found something I've looked for ever since Dan Sallitt turned me on to the Embarrassment in a loudfans tape swap many months, maybe years, ago. It's called HEYDEY from 1995 on Bar None Records. It contains 42 songs and I am digging it! What's the story behind this band? Now, to the subject. The guy that owns this store, either Ethan or Nathan, has transplanted his store from San Jose. It went by the same name there as here, Radio Free Records. Anybody familiar with his old store? He really does have a cool collection of things. A lot of hard to find stuff on CD and vinyl. He has also has a nice garage rock section. - --Larry n.p.~~ The Anderson Council, COLOURSOUND ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:32:26 -0400 From: Richard Gagnon Subject: [loud-fans] Dogs from Milan >Jeffrey wonders about: > > + Le paysage avait la milancolie des choses inachevies ; It really doesn't help that the acccents seem to vanish (or turn into other letters) when written French ventures into the English world. >My French is really bad - but does this not say "Dogs from Milan have >pizzas with those anchovy things?" Hehe. Close. It says: "The landscape had the melancoly of unfinished things" > > **** Marcel Brion, "Les escales de la Haute Nuit" **** > >Hot Nuts for Sale?!? (Any relation to Jon?) > Very close.;) "Ports of Call of the High Night". Brion, most likely unrelated to Jon, was a noted scholar who's remembered mostly for his biographies of musicians and painters and rulers...I noticed there's a Ghengis Khan available in English. "Escales" is, however, fiction, and a damn fine book of weird tales. Sadly, I think, it's the only one of that kind he wrote. Rick np: In the Wake of Poseidon, King Crimson - -- + Le paysage avait la milancolie des choses inachevies ; **** Marcel Brion, "Les escales de la Haute Nuit" **** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:33:27 EDT From: MarkWStaples@aol.com Subject: [loud-fans] had absosmurfly enough No, sorry, I don't care about what Madonna's new douche smells like, or anything else AOL has a vested interest in. I just CANNOT pay for their service anymore. If I wanted all this promotional crap I could go with a much cheaper service, and maybe my e-mails wouldn't be so screwy when they post as well. I'll resubscribe once I get everything straightened out. Later... - -Mark np Fonda THE STRANGE AND THE FAMILIAR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:40:35 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [loud-fans] smoes and Francis At 09:55 PM 5/3/2001 -0400, jenny grover wrote: >Dana L Paoli wrote: >> >> Munge the smoes! > >we need t-shirts that say this. I keep hearing Mark E. Smith saying, to the tune of "Big New Prinz," "Munge the smoes, munge the smoes, munge the smoes." Best wishes to Francis on all his endeavors -- military, moving, familial, musical, and whatnot! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:53:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: [loud-fans] tech consortium called once more into order (ns) Okay, I'm thinking of buying a CD burner...and realize, looking around, that there are a trizillion options that I'm unclear about. I'll start with one: looking at the CNet site, it allows me to filter my searches for removable media drives by several properties, including interface type: USB, IDE/EDIE, IEEE 1394 FireWire, PC Card, parallel, and SCSI. I have a moderate-sized machine (I'm at work & can't remember the exact specs) running Win98 from about 1.5 - 2 years ago: can anyone tell me what the advantages/disadvantages/impossibilities of the various interface options are? (Reading around, it seems USB offers less speed, for example) Thanks in advance for any advice you have to offer - offlist if you think no one else cares. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I'M ONLY AS LARGE AS AN ANT AND I'M HIDING INSIDE YOUR CAR:: __cryptic placemat phrase, Madison WI, 1986__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:06:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows On Fri, 4 May 2001, Chris Murtland wrote: > I also witnessed REM on the 85 Fables tour. Early December, at the Reynolds > High School Auditorium. The Minutemen opened, and I believe D. Boon died the Oh yes: can't forget the Minutemen. I saw them on what may well have been the same tour - it was hard to believe how much such a large man as D. Boon could move around. I ended up chatting with Mike Watt in the bar in the venue's basement - nice guy. And R.E.M. put on some transcendent shows as well - I have a tape of one of them (May 10, 1985 - evidently May 10 is a good concert date for me...would be even better if it weren't unfortunately impossible for me to see Television in Chicago that night next week). I think I saw them four times, the last show being the first time they were playing arenas - must have been the _Document_ tour (?). Even though they did a good job of making arena shows work, it was that show that made me prety much swear off arean shows: I remember seeing all the happy loving couples (to quote Joe Jackson) swaying lovingly to "The One I Love" and thinking, "geez, you're a bunch of idiots: are you listening at all?" At the other extreme of their popularity, I missed their go-round through Madison, at Headliners, right around the time _Murmur_ came out - i remember I'd been hearing great things about them, I think I had _Chronic Town_ already, but for whatever reasons I didn't/couldn't go. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. ::I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! __"raus"__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:20:18 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: [loud-fans] misc. pedantry dumptruck: if for some reaon you have a devout hatred of kirk swan, you might want to know that it's not really a half and half kirk swan/kevin salem split on the dumptruck live disc; it's more 2/3 the former and 1/3 the later. i give it a thumbs up, although the new disc doesn't grab me quite as hard as _terminal_ did last year (or was it '99? the last studio record anyway). and if you love dumptruck and the feelies give log's _auto fire life_ a go, just trust me. westerberg: i'm in the camp that sez _14 songs_ (_13 songs_ is fugazi, since i'm being all pedantic -- i was slammed for confusing the two myself not long past) was mediocre (and so was _all shook down_), _eventually_ had virtually no redeeming qualities (a couple of the songs might be okay, but the production is so horrid -- lifeless horrid -- that it's very hard to tell) and _suicaine gratification_ was somewhat better, but if it had been a debut, no one would have been terribly impressed. at least i can listen to it through without wincing. but the real point is to say, again, seek out the two l'il eps he released as "grandpaboy" ("i want my money back," and, erm, the other one) which sound more like _let it be_/_hootenany_ era 'mats than anything else.) - -- d. p.s. you people with perfect pitch? i hate you, all of you. well, no i don't, acutally. but i am sooooooooooooooooo jealous. np miles davis _seven steps to heaven_ - - oh no, you've just read mail from doug = dmw@radix.net - get yr pathos - - www.shoddyworkmanship.net -- post punk skronk rawk = the new thing - - www.pathetic-caverns.com -- books, flicks, tunes, etc. = reviews - - www.fecklessbeast.com -- angst, guilt, fear, betrayal! = rock music ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:26:33 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] any San Jose people? At 10:20 AM 5/4/01 -0400, Larry Tucker wrote: >I was over in Durham last week to check out a new record store. It's >been there for a few months, but a friend said I should go see this >store's rather eclectic collection. Any way I went and found something >I've looked for ever since Dan Sallitt turned me on to the Embarrassment >in a loudfans tape swap many months, maybe years, ago. It's called >HEYDEY from 1995 on Bar None Records. It contains 42 songs and I am >digging it! What's the story behind this band? The Embarrassment were from Lawrence, KS, a college town that had a minor Athens/Hoboken-style eruption of kinda artsy guitar bands in the early-to-mid '80s. (Get Smart! and the Mortal Micronautz were two other good Lawrence bands.) They were only mildly popular during their original lifespan, but they're one of those bands whose legends grew after they broke up. Singer Bill Goffrier and I think another one of the guys moved to Boston and formed Big Dipper in the latter half of the '80s, and then there was a rather short-lived Embarrassment reunion in the '90s. BLISTER POP, an "authorized bootleg" of live Embos tracks and demos, just came out last month. I haven't heard it. S ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:23:33 +0100 From: "Phil Gerrard" Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows Jeff wrote re REM: > I remember seeing all the > happy loving couples (to quote Joe Jackson) swaying lovingly to "The > One I Love" and thinking, "geez, you're a bunch of idiots: are you > listening at all?" Yeah, this I *never* got. Even if you're not listening that closely to the words, surely the music alone - which is similar to 'Driver 8', only slower and even doomier - would give you pause for thought. Who on earth would write an upbeat love song in E Minor anyway? (I'm sure that last question would be rhetorical anywhere else but on loud-fans...) peace & love phil Phil Gerrard Senior Admissions Officer The External Programme University of London E-mail: p.gerrard@eisa.lon.ac.uk 'Phone: 020 7862 8369 Fax: 020 7862 8363 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:40:21 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows Jeffrey said: >Oh yes: can't forget the Minutemen. I saw them on what may well have been >the same tour - it was hard to believe how much such a large man as D. >Boon could move around. I ended up chatting with Mike Watt in the bar in >the venue's basement - nice guy. The Minutemen opened the '85 Radford VA show that Dan Stillwell and I saw - -- 45 minutes of absolutely sizzling, incredibly intense stuff. I'm so glad I got to see them. >see Television in Chicago that night next week). I think I saw them four >times, the last show being the first time they were playing arenas - must >have been the _Document_ tour (?). The answer to this might depend on your definition of "arena," but the DOCUMENT shows I remember were all at theatre-type venues of 500 to 2000. Remember the tour was booked before "The One I Love" became their first top 20 single, so even with the small FM splash of "Superman" and ruling college radio, they were pretty far from being able to fill arenas October 1987. I'd say the first "arena tour" was the GREEN tour in 1989. >Even though they did a good job of >making arena shows work, it was that show that made me prety much swear >off arean shows: I remember seeing all the happy loving couples (to quote >Joe Jackson) swaying lovingly to "The One I Love" and thinking, "geez, >you're a bunch of idiots: are you listening at all?" The mid to late '80s seemed to serve up quite a few hit singles ("Every Breath You Take," "The One I Love," "Under the Milky Way") that lots of dullards took to be sweet, tender odes of Care Bear passion. I still shudder when I think about the gaggle of super-talky girls at the Church show in September '88 -- they talked all the way through Tom Verlaine's acoustic opening set, actually drowning out the sound from the PA, then they talked all the way through the Church's (thankfully) much louder set. The only time they stopped yammering was during "Under the Milky Way," and even then they sang the chorus in a loud and utterly tuneless manner. It didn't matter to them in the least that onstage, right in front of their eyes and ears, Steve Kilbey was spitting out the chorus in a way that made the song's sinister side unmistakable... If the band's still playing well, the idiots are just an inconvenience for me, not a deterrent. I've seen REM in its arena guise four times. The first two (Murfreesboro, TN, March '89; Nashville, Sept. '95) had their moments but suffered from poor sound and, as far as I'll allow the "hits-only idiots" factor to play into the mix, a disconnect between band and audience on the non-hit material that seemed to sap REM's energy and sabotage any momentum that the show might have built. However, the other two shows were superb -- the Knoxville show in Nov. '95 was the best one I've ever seen them do, and the Cleveland show in August '99 was sharp and fun. I'm very glad I didn't let the mediocrity of the first two shows keep me from seeing the latter two. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jer Fairall Subject: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review Hey Loud fans! Our Andrea Weiss recently sent me a mix tape (entitled PARADISE LOST & FOUND) in exchange for some out-of-print Teenage Fanclub stuff I copied for her and while it has nothing to do with the tape swap, and therefore I have no real reason to review it on-list, it is most certainly one of the very best mixes I've ever received, so why not sing it's praises here? Casey Scott: "Paradise Lost & Found," "7th of November," "Ryan" "7th of November," which Brian Block already included for me on a tape a few months back, made me curious about Casey Scott and Andrea was nice enough to include a couple more songs here. Brain and Andrea both claim that she sounds a lot like Patti Smith, which isn't a *bad* thing but since I never play my copy of HORSES I don't see why I'd need more of the same. After hearing these songs, I *do* hear the resemblance to Smith but I nevertheless like Scott's work better. "Paradise" is the most Smith-esque tune of the three--a crazed, angry rant over surging punk-rock guitar, but "7th of November" is a slow, quiet spoken word piece and the a cappella "Ryan" is damn near barbershop. I will be seeking out her album. Amy Corriea: "The Bike" Nice mainstream folk-pop that reminds me pleasantly (perhaps due to the slight vocal similarities) to Abra Moore. I liked this song from the beginning but it has, after repeated listens, really grown on me and now I'm interested in hearing more by her. Suddenly, Tammy!: "Not That Dumb," "Runaway" Two songs from the band with the weirdest punctuation in rock, the former from the 1995 album WE GET THERE WHEN WE DO and the latter from a more recent EP. I own WGTWWD, but it's one of the most unfairly neglected albums in my collection, as I don't play it very often but every time I do I discover once again what a fine band they are (were?). Carole King: "So Far Away" OK, TAPESTRY has been absent from my collection long enough. Semisonic: "One True Love" This last group of songs are connected as Beth Sorrentino (of Suddenly, Tammy!) frequently cites Carole King as a major influence and King herself does a guest vocal appearance on this song, from Semisonic's latest album ALL ABOUT CHEMISTRY. This was actually the song that cemented my dislike for the album when I played it at HMV but after hearing it enough times on this tape I've pretty much stopped caring about the sappy lyrics and focused my attention, instead, on the melody. Time to give the album another shot, maybe? Icemakers of the Revolution: "Walt," "Where I Stand" Obscure alterna-folk band with a political edge. "Where I Stand" kinda drifts by me but no matter because the epic "Walt," the rare protest song that is more about the people involved than the political cause, is my very favorite song on the entire mix. I just won an Ebay auction for their album, FISHEYE FRENZY, which looks to be about the only way that one can get a copy of it. Til Tuesday: "Everything's Different Now" Classic Aimee Mann is, of course, always welcome on mix tapes. Merrie Amsterberg: "Radio" "This Will Never Be My Year" Two songs from the Swedish (I believe) singer-songwriter. I haven't really warmed to "This Will Never Be My Year," yet, but "Radio" is very nice. New Pornographers: "Mass Romantic" This is a little more edgy than I expected from the reviews I've read, a little like Plumtree crossed with Mecca Normal. Still, I've heard about three or four other songs from the album too and it sounds, overall, like something I really should pick up. Giant Sand: "Dirty From The Rain" I have a couple of Giant Sand albums, including CHORE OF ENCHANTMENT, which this is from and it's one of the album's more memorable songs. I particularly like the use of the rain in the background. Jane Weidlin: "The Good Wife" I love the Go Go's but I haven't really followed the girls solo careers all that closely. This, from her recent solo release, is fine but I'll just wait for GOD BLESS THE GO GO'S (two more weeks!!). Aislers Set: "Christmas Song," "Last Match" They've been discussed onlist, right? They sound like about 100 other bands I know (see just about anyone on Darla, Parasol, etc) but I'm always up for more. Another one I'll probably get at some point. The Who: "I Can't Reach You," "Sunrise" I would've never guessed that these two songs were the Who unless I read the track listing first. They sound much more like The Kinks, here, than the same band that did "Substitute," "Won't Get Fooled Again" or anything like that. Or maybe that's why the album was called THE WHO SELL OUT? Blake Babies: "Nothing Ever Happens," "Out There" "Nothing Ever Happens," from the new album, which I own, is a good song even if I would have chosen something else as a representation ("Disappear," "Until I Almost Died"). "Out There," from an earlier album, is absolutely wonderful, though, and probably my third favorite new-to-me song on the whole tape, after "Walt" and "So Far Away." Those older Blake Babies records seem to be pretty hard to come by these days, though. Maestro Subgum: "You're a Dandy," "Bamboo Guru" The only thing here that I don't like at all. The self-conscious quirkiness upstages the music, I think. Jill Sobule: "Big Shoes" A rare pop songs about orthopedic footwear from Jill's new best-of compilation. I don't own any of Jill's albums, so a best-of may be a welcome thing, since I've liked a handful of her songs ("Soldiers of Christ," "Mexican Wrestler") that are all on different records. I'll look into it. Badly Drawn Boy: "Bewilderbeast" What the Manic Street Preachers' "Tsunami" would sound like if you took the words and the chorus out. From THE HOUR OF THE BEWILDERBEAST, a belated best-of 2000 discovery of mine. The Alice Project: "Uncle" Another album I should get as I've liked both this and especially "Travelling With Lady Berlin," from an earlier mix. With better promotion, they could easily be "Adult Alternative" (does that format still exist) radio hits. Thank you again, Andrea, for such a terrific tape! It never seems to stay out of my walkman for very long. Jer ===== Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:09:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Zwirn Subject: Re: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review On Fri, 4 May 2001, Jer Fairall wrote: > Merrie Amsterberg: "Radio" "This Will Never Be My > Year" > Two songs from the Swedish (I believe) > singer-songwriter. I haven't really warmed to "This > Will Never Be My Year," yet, but "Radio" is very nice. Only if "Swedish" is an alternate spelling for "Boston", but she is nice. > Aislers Set: "Christmas Song," "Last Match" > They've been discussed onlist, right? They sound > like about 100 other bands I know (see just about > anyone on Darla, Parasol, etc) but I'm always up for > more. Another one I'll probably get at some point. They sounded so retro-twee when I took a listen to this record that I just figured I should go back to my Talulah Gosh and Heavenly CDs. But I kinda liked it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Zwirn mzwirn01@tufts.edu ICQ #12755821 Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University, Medford MA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:18:37 -0600 From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: [loud-fans] non-swap tape review At 12:09 PM 5/4/01 -0400, Michael Zwirn wrote: >> Aislers Set: "Christmas Song," "Last Match" >> They've been discussed onlist, right? They sound >> like about 100 other bands I know (see just about >> anyone on Darla, Parasol, etc) but I'm always up for >> more. Another one I'll probably get at some point. > >They sounded so retro-twee when I took a listen to this record that I >just figured I should go back to my Talulah Gosh and Heavenly CDs. But >I kinda liked it. The Aislers Set are basically a new incarnation of an older band, originally from Albuquerque, called Henry's Dress. The Henry's Dress records are considerably noisier, but just as poppy. They're kind of hard to find these days, though. AS/HD leader Amy Linton was also in Go Sailor. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:35:55 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work well, i just got a wacom drawing tablet, which rocks, and i made my first attmept at a comic strip, which sucks. it is absolutely unfunny if you didn't read the e-mail about the guy humming next to me. but for those of you who work in cubicle hell, you may appreciate it. in case you didn't see the email yesterday, here's the basic idea: the guy across from me was humming yankee doodle over and over and over again. and i know why. the fax machine is turned all the way up, and the number they always fax to is the beginnning of the melody line for that song. - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 13:41:32 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows Larry Tucker wrote: > > The Fleshtones at The Milestone in Charlotte in 1983. the more i read these concert stories, the more things i remember about shows i saw. the fleshtones put on a great show! when i saw them, they came out into the audience during the encore, banging on trash cans like drums. it really was like a huge drunken party. one thing i remember about seeing let's active twice, about a year apart, i think, was that mitch was wearing the same paisley shirt for both shows. they also gave away door prizes at the first one, and i won a blue ballpoint pen that says 'i'm living on a blue line' down the side of it. the loudest show i ever saw was husker du (saw them twice, too, but i think the first show was louder). my ears rang for 3 days after that, and even soundgarden only made them ring for two. the fall were pretty damn interesting live. i saw them twice, too. the bongos were a lot of fun, and so were volcano suns. the first time i saw violent femmes, the bass player (can't think of his name right now) wore priest robes and blew a conk shell! i miss having opportunities like that. nothing of note happens here in the way of shows. everything has to be a planned, expensive road trip. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:43:45 -0600 From: Roger Winston Subject: Re: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work bbradley@namesecure.com on 2001/05/04 Fri AM 10:35:55 MDT wrote: > well, i just got a wacom drawing tablet, which rocks, and i made my first > attmept at a comic strip, which sucks. it is absolutely unfunny if you > didn't read the e-mail about the guy humming next to me. but for those of > you who work in cubicle hell, you may appreciate it. Did you post the strip somewhere so we can look at it? Later. --Rog (who frequently whistles at work, much to the consternation of his co-workers, one of whom cannot whistle at all) - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 13:52:52 -0400 From: jenny grover Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows Miles Goosens wrote: > > and the Cleveland show in August '99 was sharp and > fun. i was at that show, too :) if i have to see someone in a huge venue, i'd just as soon it was outdoors. i enjoy amphitheatres much more than enclosed arenas. there's less of a sterile, utilitarian feel about them, and the introduction of sunsets, night breezes, and even rain into the situation gives it a color and organic connectedness you just can't get indoors. Jen ------------------------------ Date: 04 May 2001 13:59:55 -0400 From: Dan Schmidt Subject: [loud-fans] Worst shows ever Let's not forget the flip side! For me, it was a James Taylor show at Great Woods (an outdoor amphitheater) in high school. I'm not really a fan in the first place, but a lot of friends were going. We had uncovered lawn 'seats', and it was pouring cold rain for the whole show. One of the more miserable few-hour experiences I've had. - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:18:16 -0700 From: bbradley@namesecure.com Subject: RE: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work http://members.aol.com/lroverlass/mic.gif sorry - -- brianna bradley web designer, web ops http://namesecure.com IT ALL STARTS WITH A WEB ADDRESS tel: 925.609.1101 x206 fax: 925.609.1112 "The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing." Cole's Axiom http://startrekonice.com - -----Original Message----- From: Roger Winston [mailto:rwinston@tde.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:44 AM To: cutting the pipe of floating devil above your head Subject: Re: [loud-fans]very OT - irritating people humming at work Sensitivity: Confidential bbradley@namesecure.com on 2001/05/04 Fri AM 10:35:55 MDT wrote: > well, i just got a wacom drawing tablet, which rocks, and i made my first > attmept at a comic strip, which sucks. it is absolutely unfunny if you > didn't read the e-mail about the guy humming next to me. but for those of > you who work in cubicle hell, you may appreciate it. Did you post the strip somewhere so we can look at it? Later. --Rog (who frequently whistles at work, much to the consternation of his co-workers, one of whom cannot whistle at all) - -- When toads are not enough: http://www.reignoffrogs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:13:00 -0700 From: Steve Holtebeck Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows Miles Goosens wrote: > The answer to this might depend on your definition of "arena," but > the DOCUMENT shows I remember were all at theatre-type venues of > 500 to 2000. Remember the tour was booked before "The One I Love" > became their first top 20 single, so even with the small FM splash > of "Superman" and ruling college radio, they were pretty far from > being able to fill arenas October 1987. I'd say the first "arena > tour" was the GREEN tour in 1989. In the Bay Area, R.E.M. played the Coliseum arena (where the Warriors attempt to play) on both the LIFES RICH PAGEANT and GREEN tours, and didn't fill it, but came close. And there weren't any good theater-sized venues in the SF Bay Area then, and still really aren't. The last few R.E.M. shows I've have all been at Shoreline in Mountain View, and I'd love to see them somewhere else (maybe after their popularity wanes a little more?) Regarding Westerberg: I think there are lots of good songs on his three solo albums, and it just takes time for them to sink in. I like both the SINGLES songs (the other one is "Waiting For Somebody"), a few songs off 14 SONGS ("Things"), and have grown much more fond of EVENTUALLY with repeated listens, especially the final song, "Time Flies Tomorrow", which captures the Nick Drake sound more convincingly than future imitators could ever hope to, but sounding like Drake was a lot less cool five years ago than it is now. Also, the PW solo show I saw on the EVENTUALLY tour was one of the best shows I've seen in recent memory. Paul's band (with Tommy Keene on guitar) was amazingly "on" that night. They encored with three songs from SORRY MA.. ("Customer", "I'm In Trouble", and "Otto"), and played a bunch of other prehistoric 'mats favorites throughout the evening, much to the joy of the audience, and Mr. Westerberg too. The greatest Replacements show I ever saw was late 1989 at the Country Club in Reseda, a crummy little heavy metal club in the San Fernando Valley. They were in the middle of their disastrous tour opening for Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, and this was a spur of the moment gig after their 35 minute opening set for TP at the Universal Amphitheater or wherever. You could tell that they were on the verge of breaking up, and poured their frustration into that set. For some reason, they played a lot of Petty songs that night, including "Free Fallin'" twice! (maybe cuz they were playing in Reseda?) Other memorable shows I can still remember.. R.E.M./Let's Active -- Crest Theatre, Sacramento, June 1983 This was right when Murmur was starting to break, and they sounded like music from another planet than the one I was on. As an on-topic side note, this show was apparently the first time that Scott met Mitch, and my attendance at that show is the biggest reason I'm on this list now.. Bob Mould/The Pixies -- SJSU student union, 1989. Bob Mould had Anton Fier on drums and Chris Stamey on guitar, and they were amazing! They didn't do any Husker songs, mostly songs from his first solo record and a couple of covers ("Cinnamon Girl" and "Shoot Out The Lights"), and to me, it made up with never seeing Husker Du live. Mould completely blew the Pixies off the stage that night. I was really looking forward to seeing them, but apparently they felt they were above playing student unions, because they were awful that night. Yo La Tengo/My Bloody Valentine -- Kennel Club, SF, 1991. The first time I ever saw YLT live, right after James joined and right before MAY I SING. came out. I was expecting FAKEBOOK style wistful pop stuff from them, and got a barrage of joyful noise and feedback. I was so blown away by YLT that I bailed after three songs by MBV, which hurts my hip credibility even more than saying bad things about the Pixies, but it was after midnight on a school night, and my ears (without earplugs) were in pain. The Loud Family -- SF homecoming shows, 1996 and 1998. I've heard lots of people, even folks on this list, say that the LF were a great studio band but really weren't that great as a live band, to which I'd say "B.S.", because I saw too many shows, including these two, that were tight and amazing and really "on". Talking about Scott on loud-fans these days is a little like talking to the wall, but I'm really looking forward to the upcoming LF live album taken from these two great shows. The Soft Boys -- Fillmore, SF, April 2001.. This show was just last month, so it's still fresh in my mind, and in terms of excitement and pure joy, I think it'll go down as one of the best shows I've ever seen. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:23:36 -1000 From: "R. Kevin Doyle" Subject: RE: [loud-fans] Worst shows ever I blush to confess this but... Deep Purple with Girlschool opening. Richie Blackmore spent the whole show playing with his back to the audience so that nobody could steal his technique, I suppose. In addition, both bands were so loud that melody, and even a sense that they were playing different notes, was completely eradicated. Girlschool has got to be among the worst 80's metal outfits... I go back to pop! R. Kevin Honolulu - -----Original Message----- From: owner-loud-fans@smoe.org [mailto:owner-loud-fans@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Dan Schmidt Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:00 AM To: loud-fans@smoe.org Subject: [loud-fans] Worst shows ever Let's not forget the flip side! For me, it was a James Taylor show at Great Woods (an outdoor amphitheater) in high school. I'm not really a fan in the first place, but a lot of friends were going. We had uncovered lawn 'seats', and it was pouring cold rain for the whole show. One of the more miserable few-hour experiences I've had. - -- http://www.dfan.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 13:25:51 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [loud-fans] rock shows At 01:52 PM 5/4/2001 -0400, jenny grover wrote: >Miles Goosens wrote: >> >> and the Cleveland show in August '99 was sharp and >> fun. > >i was at that show, too :) if i have to see someone in a huge venue, >i'd just as soon it was outdoors. i enjoy amphitheatres much more than >enclosed arenas. there's less of a sterile, utilitarian feel about >them, and the introduction of sunsets, night breezes, and even rain into >the situation gives it a color and organic connectedness you just can't >get indoors. If every outdoor show was at a venue as fine as Blossom, with its park-like setting, nice acoustics, liberal food and beverage policy, superlative traffic flow, and all-around laid-back atmosphere, I'd agree. And at that REM show, it was nice of the venue to hold back the rainstorm until *just* the perfect moment of "It's the End of the World." :-) Unfortunately, the more typical amphitheater seems to be like Nashville's AmSouth Amphitheater at Starwood, Atlanta's Lakewood, or Chicago's World -- a pit dug into some suburban hillside, traffic and pedestrian flow that exacerbates the natural problems created by a crowd of 10,000 to 30,000, draconian food and beverage restrictions designed to force you to buy the venue's overpriced and undertasty cuisine, and shoddy sound (an ungodly hybrid of the ringing effect from the sound bouncing off the seats and covered portion of the arena ,and the dampening effect of the sound being absorbed by the ground beyond the seats). Indoors isn't necessarily better, but it usually is. later, Miles ------------------------------ End of loud-fans-digest V1 #65 ******************************